Rollo_the_Ax 19:21:16 CST Tal, and greetings all......sorry that I am late.... so ???? shall we begin ??? LOL... same rules as always.... Does anybody have a topic they wish to lead off with ????
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:22:22 CST *scribbling away as Master Rollo speaks and opens the Forum*
~constance~{GS} 19:23:12 CST listens as things begin
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:24:17 CST waits for the first topic
Rollo_the_Ax 19:25:12 CST ??????? Nobody has any questions or topics they feel need answered or discussed ??
Rollo_the_Ax 19:30:35 CST Okay, we have a couple now..... 1. is there any rules on hot serves by slaves ..... 2. how does a slave suddenly appear when a master enters, but is not in the Tavern as a drawing card so to speak, and why when the Master leaves, would a slave leave as well, rather than serve in her home in other ways?
galah{RA} 19:32:31 CST well, as for #1....it was decided by the council some time ago, that sweetening of the rim by slave nectar was not to be done
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:32:48 CST as to the first, hot serves..the only thing topaz knows is when in the Piazza, a slave 'tones down the heat" due to the type of room...other than that, if serving a Master, a girl should always be hot...*chuckles*... unless restricted, then one would be slightly less intense, though show heat, as it would not be appropriate in topaz's mind to serve sizzling and not be able to deliver allll the goods...
galah{RA} 19:33:54 CST #2....all the slaves hide in the cupboards until they can smell and hear Masters?
Laroona 19:34:09 CST heat? I hope my blackwine is served hot LOL seriously a slave should always serve with heart and devotion, as opposed to heat... IMO
Rollo_the_Ax 19:34:36 CST For a simple answer to at least one of them.... 1. NO, there is no rule about * limiting * how *hot * a slave might serve...... the only guideline has always been that IF you were in a room with FW, the kajira would not be quite as openly wanton.... to coin a phrase.... but now that we have the Piazza for FW and new folks to learn in, if a master wants a sizzling serve, he can be in the Tavern, and there are no holds bared......
galah{RA} 19:35:00 CST of course the slaves are cleaning out those cupboards while they are there.....we got the cleanest cupboards ever heheheheheheee hehehehehe
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:35:39 CST as for two...personally topaz thinks all slaves should be eager to serve period!! to sit by and watch the who's where and only enter when a Free Man enters, is wrong, and especially if a Free Woman has been there all along!
if a slave has time to pop in like that, then she should be there, if not doing chores, at least "reading scrolls" or something, so a slave is seen by other potential masters who might not otherwise enter...
and to leave when the Master leaves, *shakes my head*..
again that smacks of only wishing to serve certain Masters and no one else...
~constance~{GS} 19:35:46 CST snorts and gigglez
Jaeger 19:35:59 CST tis My first Forum....
Dak 19:36:07 CST including sweetening ?
Rollo_the_Ax 19:37:07 CST yes, galah.... that is true... but that rule was decided on simply because it was NOT done in the books, and became a thing that was done WAY over board......
Laroona 19:37:19 CST Dak GS has no sweetening it is not in the books,,, and GS is getting as close to book as they can *S*
Jaeger 19:37:23 CST would like to commend the Captains of Gs...on their Gorean stand....about FW's in the Tavern....
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:37:39 CST also well said Mistress Laroona, as heart and devotion are just as important in a serve!
galah{RA} 19:38:00 CST leads me to a question though.....if a girl enters the tavern, or the piazza, she better be offering to serve, no excuses? like if a slave was working on icons or such, she can sit quietly in the tavern and not offer serve? **shrugs**
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:38:25 CST nay Master Dak, sweetening is forbidden period in GS!
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:39:14 CST eyes widen...a girl not offer service??...that would be unacceptable galah!!...if she is not able to serve, then do not be in the tavern!!
halima_GS~t~ 19:39:44 CST *sits quietly.. listening*
liata_{Zor} 19:40:36 CST it was said Master Dak that if a Master wished his vessel sweetened he should go directly to the source
Jaeger 19:40:49 CST too long has the reality of Gor turned to Disney.....what we all have here is ....what we are
Dak 19:41:18 CST just curious after Senior Captain said no hold barred, *smiles*
galah{RA} 19:41:36 CST kinda what i thought paz **shrugs** sometimes when i was fg sis, i was doing training in whispers so i didn't offer to serve....but that is still serving her Masters at that time
Laroona 19:41:42 CST I will often say no I am not in need of a serve, I will often talk to slaves quietly as my RT could interrupt.... that is my choice
but I would prefer to see slaves enter the Piazza, and offer, not sit in the where-who-is and enter only when FM are around.... that is a princess slave IMO....
but we can have blackwine made, meats cooking etc.... that is a learning tool that slaves should have to fully understand the stuff does need cooking etc
Rollo_the_Ax 19:43:39 CST Okay folks, some blunt talk from an OLD man that has been * AROUND * the world, okay ????? Been places that would curl many of you folks hair, seen and heard of shit from MANY cultures and countries.... watched guys in the Army wait in lines for the ONLY hooker in a village ...... etc.,...... but I NEVER heard of AMYBODY wanting pussy juice slopped all over his beer can/glass/or any other eating item...... If anybody wanted to get * juice * on their face or mouth, they went there first hand.... okay ????? moustache rides..... talking bicycle seats. or call it what you want......
Laroona 19:43:40 CST I had the experience the other day .... many slaves entered,, all offered, but one, who decided she had other things to do... which was not of Gorean nature .. to say i was angry is an understatement if RT busy then do not enter
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:43:47 CST aye galah, that it is sis...
and if a girl is freshly branded, 2 days grace, but still expected to enter and observe, and contribute at least in conversation....grins
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:44:22 CST *smiles as Master Jaeger speaks of "Disney" gor, and glad GS is not like that!
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 19:45:12 CST I would have to agree with you on that Rollo. Waste of a good ale ~LOL~
Laroona 19:45:43 CST Jaeger I have said it often that the current direction GS is going is excellent and is fitting for the region ... *S*
Dak 19:45:50 CST *laughs*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:46:04 CST and galah, even when training a girl in whispers, i make sure that the master's know what i am doing, and if necessary, will offer service if none else about...*winks*
Rollo_the_Ax 19:46:13 CST It has perhaps poor wording on My part to say * no holds bared * without first listing the no sweetening rule.... but my brain got going faster than my fingers could keep up......LOL...LOL......
kath {J} 19:46:45 CST ~falls over laughing hearing Master Rollo's words!~
Dak 19:47:25 CST thanks for the enlightening clarification Captain, *smiles*
Jaeger 19:47:33 CST Gs is Gor...as we speak....could care less if a slave sweetens or runs her sex in circles....what matters is her heart....her belly....her devotion
Rollo_the_Ax 19:48:36 CST I have nothing against BDSM, but when * on-line Gor * got started, many who came where involved in BOTH, and so many allowed BDSM actions or practices where * carried over *.... it has only human nature.... but that was THEN, and this is NOW... okay ?????
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:50:47 CST Mistress Laroona, that was not right!!...a slave actually was not offering serve, but in a public room doing RT stuff?...*slightly shcoked*
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 19:51:27 CST Nods to MY Captain Rollo. *Nods* Moves to a place to settle and listen and contribute to the forum.
Laroona 19:53:21 CST well it happened topaz... and as the slave was not owned by GS, I could do nothing.... but IMO she could have gone private room or stayed out....
Rollo_the_Ax 19:55:27 CST Still on the * hot serve * topic...... In this visual medium that we are using....IE, on line, computer screens, the ONLY way to show things is with WORDS !!!!! some are better at it than others.....and some slaves can come off as sexy with little or no effort..... others work harder at it...... to paint a * picture * in another mind that can excite, arouse, or drive mad is a GREAT talent......
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:55:37 CST privately owned or not, once a girl enters GS, she is to abide by GS rules....unless they differ from a restriction her Master has set Mistress Laroona!
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:57:01 CST so true Master Rollo...as words can indeed and must "show" the girl and what she does, making a visual from her words!!
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 19:57:17 CST that is funny you mention that topaz.. other Gorean places.. and I have traveled around to watch.. their site rules are adhered too.. no matter what.. kind of like if you came to My house.. you better follow My rules.. *nods*
Laroona 19:57:26 CST exactly topaz I am a firm believer in Owner is to be obeyed at all times *S*
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 19:58:33 CST Well Our rules best be followed here in this House.
THe only allowances the Council have granted is that We will honor restrictions of a privately owned slave.
But beyond that, the rules will be followed regardless
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 19:58:56 CST Rollo.. I am not quite caught up with what is being said or talked about.. but in regards to HOT SERVES.. how some are better than others.. I agree.. yet, I have also seen those that are very good.. do a two post serve for Me or Another.. then turn and do an elaborate 4 or 5 post serve to someone she likes
Laroona 19:59:10 CST Captain Rollo, even a simple serve can be painted and that is what GS teaches the girls to "paint the picture with words" and why they are the best in Gor *S*
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 19:59:50 CST I agree Paedur.. Our House.. Our Rules.. regardless..
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:00:27 CST exactly what topaz said Master Hawk, that when in GS, it's rules should be obeyed, except for an example, topaz is restricted from furring, so if a master desires that of her, she must remind Him of her restrictions, but still she is to obey ALL rules of GS when here!!
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:00:32 CST Laughs and whispers so that SHadowhawk can here. Perhaps if You bathed a bit more regularly they could spend more time serving you. LOL
squishy{Sg}fg 20:00:35 CST No slave should be allowed to come off with a 2 post serve unless it is a harta serve
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:02:15 CST I like those two post serves ~LOL~ I do not fall asleep reading them ~LOL~
Laroona 20:02:24 CST If I want a harta serve I ask when I order otherwise it had better be the best any slave can offer
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:02:30 CST well paz, as Paedur stated.. restrictions such as personal affairs.. IE furring.. whispering and such will be adhered to.. but when it comes to regards in acting a slave.. Our rules stand..
Rollo_the_Ax 20:03:24 CST as for the second topic ????? what else can I say except that again, in * MY * opinion, some things will NEVER change..... it is not simply a matter or what is right or wrong... we all know what is right and what is wrong...... the actions of others will ALWAYS be determined or limited by their OWN level of COMMITMENT to ANY idea or system ........ why be surprised when this or that slave does NOT behave the same way ???? look instead to the heart of the one not doing as they know they should...... for Free and slave alike, there are those that play at Gor.... those that act like one of Gor...... and the few that understand and take it to HEART........
Laroona 20:04:30 CST As I understand it the Piazza is setting more for learning, and those new to GOR, the rules are more relaxed that the rules of the Tavern *S*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:05:19 CST nods...aye, and a girl if in a public room should offer service period, if not in service to Another!
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:05:33 CST I have saved it for example.. how the serve was to Me.. much the same to another.. removed the name.. for that is not important.. then she in turn did a very elaborate serve to Another..
slave 14:40:55 CST ~*~purrs as if her tongue licked slowly up His neck~*~ aye Master, as You wish ~*~passing the bowl to Him she lifts and moves away, three steps back and turns to float over the tiles and to the servery, tossing a wink to Master Hawk that His paga will be there real soon, giggles as He sits drooling over His tassa as she dances so wonderfully...finding a fine large bowl, tri-footed kind, lifting the crimson silk she rubs the rim to her belly gasping as it tickles and creates a deeper desire to feel Man's hands on her body...wiping the bowl well as she moves to the fires~*~
< slave 14:48:19 CST ~*~with a sultry wiggle of hips, she sinks to the tiles, jutting out her ass more for affect and begging, the ladle in the small grip of her hand, she lifts the bowl to the kettle as she scoops out the bubbling hot paga, bringing the contents full tot he rim and so careful to not spill a single drop...legs flex and she rises evenly, spinning on her toes and begins to make her way to Master Shadowhawk, kneeling before Him to beg to serve Him~*~ Greetings Master...hot paga, Master? may it be found pleasing to You
the One she passed the bowl to was Ones lap she was sitting on and He told her to see to Me..
galah{RA} 20:06:06 CST and a slave not giving her all to a free, should be reprimanded for doing so, and told to do it again perhaps, practice makes perfect heheheeee
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:06:34 CST *claps loudly as she hears Master Rollo*
but then Master Rollo, if a slave does not have the heart or desire to serve her home, and all within, to be here to draw others, then why should she be wearing GS steel?.....hypothetical of course
squishy{Sg}fg 20:06:42 CST girls put a lot into their serves.. and often don't type fast... squishy for example... people should not fall asleep
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:07:04 CST Aye Shadowhawk, and those rules apply to all, regardless of Who owns them bei it Free or Captain or Visitor.
NO slave should be set above the rules.
and if they are busy with something else that is not related directly to the room, as in conversation, or service to One, then they should not be in the room, but move to a private room to deal with the issue or task at hand and then return to be able to observe the rules.
We have spoken about this over certain GS and privately owned slaves, who are otherwise engaged, and so do not offer service, or are excused from service and yet remain in the Tavern. Regardless of who owns the girl, in those cases she should be excused to go to a private room to do the tasks or to finish the conversation and then return to be a part of the room.
It is something I am now doing based on Those discussions with You directly. *S*
Jaeger 20:07:35 CST bravo Rollo
Laroona 20:08:19 CST many slaves put a lot of learning and effort into serves, and have lots of typing to fit in all the elements, including the heart, devotion etc..
and a free sits and posts a few words .... if any during the serve....
squishy{Sg}fg 20:08:30 CST nodding... agrees with galah
Rollo_the_Ax 20:08:36 CST Hawk.... that again is simple human nature.... why take offence ????? should I shoot a dog for running to another before Me ????? should I be offended if somebody said * Hi * to somebody they liked better than I first ???? No, sir.... as long as ANY slave remains RESPECTFUL they have done most of their job.... the rest is simply gravy ...in My humble opinion....
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:09:42 CST *chuckles*.. Paedur.. PK's help tassa should she ever feel a need to do these things.. *nodding firmly*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:10:39 CST topaz is very glad to hear You say that Master Paedur...*smiles* and true squishy, we pour so much of ourselves into our serves, and sometimes they do take some time, one would hope a Master can appreciate what goes into them, the heat, heart and soul, and enjoy them, or ask for a harta serve if not interested in it taking too much time!
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:10:58 CST aye.. and that is Your humble opinion.. for there is none here that would do that to You.. for fear of Your wrath that precedes You.. simple as that..*nods*
Dak 20:11:30 CST well, I always thought the rule was when a slave was in service to one, then she was supposed to focus all attention on the one, and not speak to any others, until released from the serve well, it used to be that way, anyway
Jaeger 20:11:30 CST *looks at Hawk*
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:11:34 CST Nods to Shadowhawk.. PK's help ANY slave who does so, even at her Master's beckoning. *S*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:12:16 CST that is so true Mistress Laroona!! topaz used to love to serve her Master!..>He was so expressive!!....did not simply sit there and say nothing...grins and sighs softly, missing Him so
Laroona 20:12:30 CST well said Captain Rollo and Paedur *S*
Kayla 20:12:57 CST ~speaking quietly~ I do think that sometimes a slave will give extra attention to one Free or Another.. Their owner for example.. Or One they have a special bond with... I for one never count serve posts.. it is the quality not the amount of words used.
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:13:22 CST Aye Dak, that is ABSOLUTELY true.
What Shadowhawk and I am referring to are slaves who are in the Tavern who do not offer service, or do not serve well, or feel that because they are busy with some task for their Master that they can sit in the Tavern and be excused from offering service to any.
But if she is in service to One then YES she BEST be focused on the One she serves.
Even in a northern serve, she need be focused on the ONE. but in that she may interact with Others in the room. *S*
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:13:36 CST I agree with that as well Laroona.. why I always say something in regards to every post of serve.. to show it is indeed appreciated and admired..
Laroona 20:13:55 CST Dak *nodding* the only exception to that I know of is a Northern serve which is not done in GS *S*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:14:27 CST aye Master Dak, tis still that way!!...
what is being said, if a slave is not in service to Anyone, and yet does not offer service, then it is wrong!
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:14:43 CST Mistress Kayla...i do have to agree....it matters not....the length of the serve.....but whether the serve comes from the heart....smiles
Rollo_the_Ax 20:14:58 CST Is it such an abstract concept for some to grasp that * if you WANT to be someplace special, then be willing to ACT accordingly * ????? why be here at all if you are NOT willing to put forth 100% ?????? someplace to be to keep the boredom at bay ???? someplace to watch OTHERS do what is right while NOT doing so yourself ???? WHY ???? ** shaking My bald head... never been able to understand why some folks are willing to do little more than cause trouble rather than try to make things better ........
Jaeger 20:15:00 CST Rollo has the feel of Gor...and My vote...
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:15:00 CST I simply sit back and enjoy each individual slave as she serves, regardless of whether or not she is serving Me extra hot, or simply serving Me.
I look for the heart and fire versus the sex. *S*
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:15:14 CST A slave should give the One she is serving. But if the Male lets her speak to others that is fine, but if she does with it out His permission then she should be punished. Most girls her seem to ask before they talk to others.
Dak 20:15:39 CST oh, then it is now ok, for a slave to greet enterin free during a serve ?
Laroona 20:16:06 CST I try to acknowledge the serve post for post while slave is serving me... let slave know 1.. I am watching and it is my belief that why order if you make no comment...
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:17:10 CST Dak, in a northern serve it is expected, but only if that is the request.
Otherwise it is not acceptable unless so granted by the One she is serving
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:18:00 CST Dak a slave is not allowed to greet if she is serving with out the one she is servings permission.
galah{RA} 20:18:11 CST doesn't the northern serve break GS rules? for slaves serving are not allowed to speak to others....and isn't northern serves for up north, is Port Kar not south?
Laroona 20:19:29 CST galah yes,,, and why I never see a Norhtern serve in GS.. we are not up in the frozen lands ... well I hope not LOL
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:20:03 CST IN a manner yes it is galah, but also We have Men of the North Pledged here, as well as more who are quite welcome to visit.
and They do request a northern serve, and so We have accommodated them.
and will try to train our slaves in both manners, as it is Gorean Shores who have the best slaves period in Gor. *S*
Dak 20:20:44 CST I would appreciate a little more clarification , on that Advisor , the thinking of a girl not greeting during a serve was that she stay more focused , and not delay the serve
squishy{Sg}fg 20:21:30 CST squishy has Northern background... as that is where she was from in the beginning up until she came to GS but she was told her northern ways were not allowed in Port Kar
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:21:53 CST Paedur I thought it was decided that there will be no more northern serves?
Rollo_the_Ax 20:21:57 CST yes, topaz.....in its most simple, basic, level, that IS the base rule.... slaves are REQUIRED to serve.... if they don't want to be expected to serve, they should NOT be where it is the rule........ simple really....
Laroona 20:22:07 CST Paedur with all respect if they pledge to GS then they live in the Port Kar region *s*
galah{RA} 20:22:11 CST isn't there an old saying about when in Rome, do as the romans do? shouldn't it be when in Port Kar, do as Port Karians do?
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:23:11 CST Perhaps then I am misinformed Blade, as I did not know that a northern serve was not permitted here.
I need check My notes then
squishy{Sg}fg 20:23:13 CST nodding.... indeed that is what she was told galah
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:23:33 CST has Northern background....but...has been a silk alot longer.... couldn't the slaves learn....to serve as bonds.....BUT...not take on every aspect of a bondmaid...such as the talking while serving....to make the Jarl feel more at home and comfortable??
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:24:20 CST LOL..if a silkie went to the North, she would NOT be allowed to serve southern style...or so mm told her just the other night!
Zoran 20:24:50 CST so from what I gather a slave should not greet tell given permission to greet by the Master she is serving
Laroona 20:25:14 CST tave I ask why? if I go to the north I get bond serve as an example,,, that is their way *S*
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:25:44 CST Smiles to Dak, seeing that perhaps I have opened a can or worms.
If a girl is in service to One, then she should remain focused on serving, regardless.
If she is serving southern style then she does nto greet does not entertain anything else outside of the focus to the One she is serving.
If it is a northern serve then she remains focused on the One she is serving, but with in the serve as long as she continues the service forward, she is permitted and expected to interact without losing focus. If greet from the servery as she cleans the goblet or other manners as such.
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:25:50 CST I think it was when Kyoto was still Captain here and I had not heard anything different on it. But I could have the wrong serve as well. It was on the board but I can't get to it cause it will not let me.
galah{RA} 20:25:58 CST a slave of GS could be chastised for not knowing how to do a northern serve? **soft sigh** gal has only ever lived in Port Kar, now we are told to be multi cultural?
Kayla 20:26:48 CST ~confused look and speaking up again quietly~
why would a slave be taught the serve of another region?.. maybe in a slave house that was going to ship them out for sale??? But here in Port Kar should not all slaves serve as Southern silk slaves of the City?
Dak 20:27:35 CST *smiles*, thanks Paedur
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:28:08 CST Paedur ya may have opened a can of worms, but its also good to know. ~LOL~
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:28:12 CST Wwe should not associate or change Our rules to please all.. but only PortKar.. that goes back to allowing slave talk in first person... they are both on the same lines.. so to do one and not the other.. is kind of making Us hypocrites.. this is Our home.. Our rules
squishy{Sg}fg 20:28:33 CST very true topaz
shrugs* as far as squishy knows Master told her no Northern serves
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:29:11 CST Mistress Laroona....well my thinking is....perhaps some don't come here....because they enjoy the way a bond serves.....i have seen many Jarls....move to Cities....and their slaves....still serve as a bond....nods gently....was Gor....always just....North up there...South down here.....Port Kar over there...etc....no....all were mixed and mingled....no??
galah{RA} 20:29:19 CST gal thinks its hard enough for a new slave to learn how to serve properly without telling her its this way OR that way....that’s just confusing....slaves learn by watching other slaves serve, so one is serving northern while another is serving southern, what will the new slave learn? how to completely muck up a serve?
Laroona 20:29:55 CST If we go by the books then it is Port Kar,,, simple,,, not the north ...
squishy{Sg}fg 20:30:01 CST Master Kyoto was the only One that she knows of that wished there to be a mix of service
Zoran 20:30:10 CST nods in agreement with Hawk
Dak 20:30:17 CST aaaye, Blade, I remember what used to Be here, was just wondering if things were different
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:30:52 CST Perhaps then I shall ask the Council for clarification on it and post it.
and then adhere to THAT ruling since there is a question of it. *S*
I have other items to discuss with the council and so I shall include this as well. *S*
tabansi 20:31:30 CST *quietly kneels to listen ..and learn*
galah{RA} 20:31:47 CST IF a Jarl came to GS with his personal slave on travels, and this was not his home and he wished for his slave to serve, if that is where she is from and its all she knows, then i could see a northern serve being done....but not the GS chain, they are trained as is the way of Port Kar, or so i thought so anyways....things change so much, its hard to keep up
Laroona 20:31:49 CST galah I agree the slaves have much to learn and know.... to put more on them is being unrealistic IMO
Rollo_the_Ax 20:31:51 CST Northern serve... Southern serve ...???? it has always been that simply in GS, there has an excepted way to serve by the GS kajira.... if a certain Master wishes for a different serve, I guess that he could ask for it.... it then depends on if the girl knows how to do so....????? the question seems to me to be just how much we can expect every kajira to know how to do ?????? Northern serve ???? perhaps.... but what next ??? serve while wearing a green wig, riding a unicycle, and juggling larma fruit as she sings Pirate ditties ????? there has to be SOME limits to what can be expected ........
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:31:53 CST Oh Maybe it was Shadowglade that brought up the no Northern serves ~LOL~ All I know is I read it and though never had it so its no lose to me ~LOL~
Kayla 20:33:12 CST ~nodding at Rollo's words~
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:33:46 CST lol..galah, the girls are not trained to serve northern style sweetie, nothing changed there!
galah{RA} 20:33:55 CST and as first person speech came up...gal would like to approach the council for a ruling on this again....right now, a slave can speak first person in the forum and in the kennels, couldn't speaking first person be a promotion to a red silk, she is fully trained by that time, she knows her place well and she knows what she is
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:34:00 CST I agree Rollo.. if a Master asks for one.. and Our slaves or one of Our Members person slaves say they do not know that serve.. then it is up to the outside Master to decide if He still wants one or not.. for GS does not require knowledge of a northern serve
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:34:27 CST Wonders if I can get one to juggle larma fruit on her jigglies. *S*
Ponders that for a bit as I look over tavelia and topaz, thinking perhaps I can Hnmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Laroona 20:34:31 CST well said Captain Rollo *S*
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:34:58 CST WEll diffrent Captians and different rules. Just need to see what the Captains now want and go from there
galah{RA} 20:35:18 CST **looks from paz to the Slave Master** but sis, didn't the Slave Master just say that the GS slaves was going to be trained in northern serves?
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:35:47 CST galah, some Masters may take offence to a girl not speaking/serving in third person...sighs...forum and kennels are different sis
squishy{Sg}fg 20:35:49 CST You have so had it Master Blade ~chuckles softly~
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:36:09 CST Well said Captain Rollo
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:36:12 CST okie.. someone is gonna have to remind this old Man.. since We got off on tangent.. what is the original second topics question??????
*looking around*
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:36:20 CST Shadowhawk... We do need to understand though the difference in the serves and styles, seeing that it almost caused an issue with in GS when one asked the Master if He wanted the serve northern or southern, and He requested northern.
and then took Note of her actions, when she was well with in the ideals of a northern serve. *wink* LOL
halima_GS~t~ 20:36:43 CST *smh*.. i still disagree galah.. red silks or not.. 3rd person speech emphasizes a girl being slave and for those that are not r/t slaves but do this strictly v/t.. it helps remind them of the role they've taking to rping..
galah{RA} 20:37:21 CST if red silk slaves could speak first person but then did something wrong or showed herself out of place, she could be made to speak third person again as part of punishment, would kinda hurt a red silk to be degraded to a white silk speech heheheee
Laroona 20:37:26 CST I tend to agree with first person speech being permitted and agree with galah... Again I will hark back to the Piazza and the intent ... was a place for FW and a place for newcomers to learn and adapt easily... so we can grow!!!
third person speech is one of the hardest to learn of all the stuff slaves need to know... the only time I seen it forced was when a slave was being punished and made to speak third person as punishment
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:37:27 CST Well squishy it must have been so long ago I forgot ~LOL~ maybe I better head North and have my memory refreshed ~LOL~ Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:38:15 CST aye.. agreed Paedur.. and I understand.. tho I thought that was pretty much decided.. as Rollo said.. what next???.. unicycle serves?.. tho that may be interesting.. kind of like on shoes with wheels, eh?.. LOL
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:38:20 CST reposting: Rollo_the_Ax 19:30:35 CST
Okay, we have a couple now..... 1. is there any rules on hot serves by slaves ..... 2. how does a slave suddenly appear when a master enters, but is not in the Tavern as a drawing card so to speak, and why when the Master leaves, would a slave leave as well, rather than serve in her home in other ways?
galah{RA} 20:38:29 CST but even the girls in the books did not speak third person unless told specifically to do so
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:38:41 CST In the Tavern it should never be first person, in the Piazza the same way.
In forum since it is open for any to speak their minds then no issue what person they speak in. in the kennels, then they can speak as they need to since only the Captains can enter there, and they best know how to speak to Them. *S*
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:40:01 CST in reality according to the books.. slave rarely spoke at all.. even when asked a question.. they simply nodded or pointed or did what they were asked.. Tavern slave.. rarely spoke
halima_GS~t~ 20:40:01 CST no they didn't.. but being online something has to be given leeway.. like the caps we all use for the Free.. i don't think 3rd person speech is any harder to learn than a serve, or any of the positions Kayla 20:40:35 CST galah? wouldn't that too be confusing for the newer slaves who learn by watching? if some are speaking First... the most trained ones.. and the others speaking third? Just My opinion third helps the mind set.. and has always worked well for GS
Laroona 20:41:16 CST I disagree as long as a slave serves with HEART and DEVOTION speech is just speech... and more so some Owners expect their slaves to use first person... are we going ot say... shove off till you speak like we want??
after all it is consensus that Owner have final say over their property
Rollo_the_Ax 20:41:19 CST to expect others to know all that you do is not only wrong but foolish.... just as it is foolish to not be willing to except that others will know many things that YOU do NOT...... that is why we have set rules on what is done this way or that, and what is allowed and what is NOT... if the matter needs a Council vote on official policy, it can be done.... but like in all things, not everybody will be happy with EVERY vote or decision.... that's LIFE folks...... take it or leave it....LOL..
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:41:19 CST topaz agrees with halima on this....for many it helps to instil in them a sense of slavery....
galah{RA} 20:41:32 CST if a red silk don't yet know what being a slave is halima, then shes never gonna know, it takes a lot of work to get to red silk status....its common for a girl to want to say "my Master"....but even something that simple could be a breaking of the rules, i just think it need not be a punishable offence if a red silk uses first person....if the slave feels she needs third person to stay in character, then she still can do so if she feels the need
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:41:46 CST thanks paz.. *winks, smiling*.. I even missed the first topic question.. *chuckles*
don't recall a ruling about hot serves..... have We started on the second yet?
Dak 20:41:51 CST I have at times in the past, if a bond was in, asked if she knew the southern serve, and if not allowed her to serve Me a northern serve , but find it inappropriate, to expect a southern slave to do something she knows not how, or vice versa with a bond also
Zoran 20:42:07 CST as I came down last night it goes to are home rules and are rules 3rd person in Tavern and piazza seem simple that is the interpretation of book that are home has taken
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:42:46 CST also a good point Mistress Kayla!....would be confusing to some entering and seeing different speech patterns
Dak 20:43:07 CST it used to be in the rules, that saying my Master was allowed slaves
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:43:20 CST LOL...aye Master Hawk, a lot already discussed on both topics...grins
Laroona 20:43:38 CST Again it is an issues, as are all issues regarding the rules, behaviour etc decided on by the Council of Captains which we entrust to act in the best interest of GS *S*
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:44:48 CST I believe in third person talk.. as third person talk takes away the personal being aspect.. and makes the slave as close to possible being property according to Gor..
halima_GS~t~ 20:45:08 CST but as it was just stated Mistress.. it is a GS rule.. and what a Master prefers of His slave is not the same as a restriction.. a Master may allow His slave to speak pig latin in His home if He wishes.. but as with any other online site.. He and His property abide by that site's rules when visiting.. and GS abides by a Master's restrictions for His slave.. not necessarily His permission for her to use.. 1st person.. nor stand on her head.. if He said she didn't have to serve.. would she STILL be welcome here?..
Rollo_the_Ax 20:45:13 CST LOL...LOL.... * first person speech vs third person *.... Hummm, where have I heard this before ????? LOL... THIS issue has been brought up ever since Xern was senior captain...... LOL...LOL....
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:45:19 CST Master Rollo, another good point and perhaps one that could be posted on the boards!!
just because something is discussed in Forum, does NOT make it a rule!!
it must go through council first....
it seems of late, that there are some who think cause it was said at forum , tis a fact....
Dak 20:45:30 CST the only absolute first person noun a girl was allowed to use
Laroona 20:45:38 CST Hawk and you speak in third person talk if you believe in it?
maybe some try it, it is not easy
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 20:45:39 CST Adds it to My list of things to take to the Council. Damn that post is going to be long. LOL
galah{RA} 20:45:52 CST i know what the rules are now, was only wishing to see if council would have another look at it for amendments, it might be confusing at first but i thought our idea was to get closer to the books where possible
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:46:12 CST aye and the way the rule states now.. til changed and posted again.. I shall always enquire why a slave chooses to speak in first person since GS rules state how it is to be.. in accordance to My pledge to GS...
squishy{Sg}fg 20:46:49 CST believe that third person speech... *helps* keep a kajira knowing she is an animal of pleasure, property
Laroona 20:47:22 CST *chuckles at Paedur, passing over some more rence paper**
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:47:55 CST Laroona as FM.. I can speak any damn way I wish.. *nods firmly*.. and that is that..
Zoran 20:49:17 CST so the rules is set for now and should not be broken right
galah{RA} 20:49:46 CST when it was decided to let slaves speak first person in the forum and the kennels, it was said that it would be tried and obviously it hasn't been a problem so its been kept....perhaps first person to red silks could be tried? a trial basis to see how it works? many of the other gor sites have changed to let girls speak first person which in itself isn't reason enough for us to do so...but i feel it has merit **soft sigh**
Laroona 20:50:44 CST Zoran personally if a newbie entered the Piazza and to make them feel at home would permit it.... that is my ideology to help keep people here... before more intense training begins....
Laroona 20:52:05 CST how hard has it been for slaves to adapt from forums and the kennels to revert back to third person... is a question that could be posed *S*
Zoran 20:52:49 CST so Lar you let them sit there and not talk them in a whisper to explain would you not at least let then know to try
Rollo_the_Ax 20:53:13 CST Like many things...... the act or action of this or that seems to mean more to those that have to do it rather than those who only see it done and DON'T have to perform the action ......LOL.... example.... I am not a slave, so making then use third person is not hard for me....... but say it was something else ???? like lets say, a woman telling her man that they need food, go kill some wild animal ???? she only sees the end result, the food in the table....she doesn't see the work of the hunt, the time and effort... the danger of the animal instead killing the hunter...... so for her, it is easy to say... Go get food .... ????? perhaps a poor example, but hey, I was at a loss for anything else....okay ????
halima_GS~t~ 20:53:19 CST has never had that problem of moving from one speech to the next..
clover{GS} 20:53:26 CST this girl does not revert back and she thinks most new slaves do not either ~ learning third person stays with this girl here and the kennels *smiles*
Laroona 20:54:29 CST Zoran I would to help GS grow... if a slave I point them to the slave rules.... it is not hard to make people feel GS is home by relaxing some
sometimes it is in PM or sometimes in open posts
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:54:29 CST has not had a problem slipping from one to the other...but also, i think it show more respect to the Free when speaking in third person, and like most of the others said, it reminds a slave of her place, as a beast, an owned animal, possession
Kayla 20:55:19 CST ~Hearing Zoran and wondering also~
galah{RA} 20:55:44 CST well....when i first became a slave and was practicing so hard, i slipped into third person in rt tooo, that can get one some funny looks from ppl heheheheheheee hehehehee
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:55:59 CST also did not find that learning third person speech was hard...shrugs softly...actually came kind of easy....chuckles...
Zoran 20:56:03 CST Lar but to give them a false look at are home is that what we want then when they see the strictness of are rules they run
you can tell someone nicely that they should at least try
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:56:21 CST nods….also happens to topaz...in RT...winks at galah
lara{Zor} 20:57:00 CST lara didnt have a problem with speakin 3rd, she loves the way it sounds...she is uncomfy speakin 1st...doesnt feel right to her
Laroona 20:57:40 CST Zoran why do I say there are the rules?
I DO NOT sit and say g'day welcome to Gs do it this way or get out!!!
Rollo_the_Ax 20:58:10 CST That is right topaz.... NO changes are made to the rules simply by talking about them here in the forum.... the questions can be asked..... the request made .... but nothing changes until the Council Votes that it does......
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:59:10 CST because Laroona.. as Rollo once said..
This is GOR... BE GOR.. OR BE GONE..
Kayla 20:59:35 CST would you say something if they started furring in the Piazza.. it too is a rule.. ~grins~...
we have to back up all the rules.. all the free and all the slaves.. Be a family and hold it all together *ss*
Zoran 21:00:14 CST LAr what I am saying is that to let them go on in first
you give them a false easiness of a slave
so when she does so in presence and I rip her apart
she is shook do you see my reasoning
Webmaster 21:00:24 CST Shadowhawk... Seems to me those words should be boldly displayed at the front'
tassa{Hawk}~t 21:00:27 CST *speaking softly from her Masters lap
tassa is going to voice her opinion here...it IS a rule, like it or not, that slaves speak in third person in the public rooms, except forum and slave kennels...and since it IS a rule, it should be upheld, not only by the slaves, but by the Free, should they see the slaves speaking first person. A friendly remind doesn't ever hurt if a slave slips up...
Laroona 21:00:42 CST Hawk and that keeps people away
New people enter... at least give them some leeway that is how I see it...
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:01:15 CST but that is why we have the Piazza, to help teach ones who know not of Gor and not scare them off forever!!
the ways are easier in there, the rules in force, but gentler, a place of learning and teaching and welcoming!!
Laroona 21:01:55 CST Zoran please read what I am saying ... welcome there are rules expected of a slave *S*
Zoran 21:02:35 CST I am not saying to be mean to a newbie but to let help them
but if a slave that has been here for a long time knowing are rules a hand to her face is needed
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 21:03:28 CST I agree Gary.. I have been pushing for that for sometime now.. have always been told.. there is no room for such a statement..
Laroona 21:03:31 CST Zoran yes old slaves differ... they know better
galah{RA} 21:03:37 CST i always told a new slave right off the streets that third person was the first thing they better learn...third person speech and respect will keep one alive while they learn the rest hehehehee
Zoran 21:03:58 CST agrees with Web Master
Webmaster 21:04:07 CST I can make room *S*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:05:00 CST exactly, master Zoran, help a newbie, not destroy her...grins...and she is told the Piazza is a safe haven to learn and the tavern is not so easy to know the ways of Gor before she enters the tavern!! as to a person who knows of Gor, absolutely, she should know the rules, and be punished if need be...
two separate entities here!
galah{RA} 21:05:41 CST at the courtyard Master Webbie?
Laroona 21:05:57 CST yay topaz has got my drift LOL
Rollo_the_Ax 21:06:25 CST ???? * I * said that ?????? LOL...LOL.... must have been on one of My BAD days....LOL...LOL.... LMAO.... No, that is how it should be.... but we ALL need to remember that * Once upon a time....we were ALL NEW and didn't know SHIT about GOR...... * a bit of latitude for those who are learning is required... not forever, but at first...... would you kill a student for a wrong answer ????? there will always be a BIG difference between not knowing any better... and NOT doing what is right because you don't give a damn......
Zoran 21:06:36 CST I agree lar but them if they do not obey or even try then you can't be nice
but I do agree to that we must be nice
but if no effort
DON"T LET DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 21:07:09 CST the other day paz.. when I inquired.. if there were changes.. not telling the girls they better talk third person.. they were both long time Gor slaves..
kewl Gary.. I think that is one thing that is definitely needed there at the court yard.. and in bold letters..
galah{RA} 21:07:13 CST i think we are all still having alil trouble with the distinction between the two main rooms....more patience should be shown in the piazza whereas a slave screws up in the tavern, she’s gonna get kicked in the teeth or worse
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 21:07:46 CST Aye agrees with Captain Rollo.
Some latitude must be given when O/one is new to Gor. But that latitude can only be given and done so far. *S*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:08:27 CST well said as always Master Rollo....grins
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:09:13 CST pardon Master Hawk?....confused?
tassa{Hawk}~t 21:09:20 CST tassa thinks this issue actually arose not from a newbie, but someone that has been on Gor for many years...Master Shadowhawk corrected her in piazza for speaking first person, actually didn't even correct her, just asked if the rules had changed, the slave said she either speaks first person, or leaves, and left..*shrugs*...to tassa, that is not upholding the rules at all...but rather, letting a slave girl, one that certainly knows the rules, get away with something that she shouldn't be... so maybe that is really the issue here...why are some girls allowed to get away with so much, while others have to tow the line so tightly??
Kayla 21:09:26 CST well I am not saying beat them but do correct a slave in the Piazza that is speaking 1st person.. that way they will learn.. this can be done in a "nice" way.. but it should be done by the Free who hear it
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 21:09:46 CST I have no issues with the newbies..
Mine has always been with ones that know better..
but when I am told to ease up when I "ASK" two long time
Gorean slaves why they chose to speak in first person..
We are to let slaves dictate what they will or won't do???
Orion 21:10:17 CST then PERHAPS newbies need to wear observation ko-lars so the member know who is who and can help them.
Zoran 21:10:42 CST yes I was given lea way but I was quickly told my action were wrong and I made effort to change effort lea way
no effort no use for them
seem like a player to me
Rollo_the_Ax 21:11:03 CST Well folks...... have we well and truly flogged these horse to death and back ????? LOL...LOL....
squishy{Sg}fg 21:11:40 CST Some Masters have their slave speak in first person
Laroona 21:11:43 CST well said Captain
Webmaster 21:11:50 CST Thats one dead pony, Rollo
galah{RA} 21:11:53 CST maybe the second thing a new slave needs to learn is how to beg forgiveness when she screws up and drops into first person speech heheheheeee and any old times slaves should know better
Zoran 21:13:02 CST poooor trigger LOl
Laroona 21:13:39 CST squishy yes they do *S*...
galah{RA} 21:13:48 CST there lies that issue again, of what a Master allows his personal slave as opposed to the rules of a site...which one tells the slave what to do?
aatira {Dak} 21:13:52 CST *LOL* *liking galah's idea....* one knows she has often had to beg forgiveness.... *her eyes travel shyly to her Master and back.....*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:14:13 CST LOL....so are You saying Master Rollo, discussion is over and forum is closed?...grins
squishy{Sg}fg 21:14:22 CST not the One that owns squishy of course ~winks to Mistress Laroona~
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 21:14:34 CST Easier to beg forgiveness than ask for permission. LOL
squishy{Sg}fg 21:15:36 CST ~looks to Master Paedur~
the girl thinks that saying is on a billboard!
she has heard it so much lately!
tassa{Hawk}~t 21:15:56 CST very true galah...which does a slave do??
perfect example...Master likes tassa naked, the rules in the Piazza state that a slave has to wear a camisk...
what should tassa do?? or any other girl do for that matter??
personally, tassa always slips on a camisk when going in, because those are the rules..
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 21:16:19 CST Winks to squishy, it is Corporate policy everywhere. LOL
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 21:16:39 CST paz.. wanna read that second topic again.. LOL.. *tapping My head to indicate.. old age.. LOL*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:17:10 CST 2. how does a slave suddenly appear when a master enters, but is not in the Tavern as a drawing card so to speak, and why when the Master leaves, would a slave leave as well, rather than serve in her home in other ways?
Rollo_the_Ax 21:18:06 CST The old * Lead a horse to water but can't make them drink * saying comes to mind...... We should ALL be willing to TRY and help those that wish to learn.... Is not the goal of the student to become the teacher ???? Confucius said that there was no greater position to attain than to become a teacher of others.... * The Superior man *.... offer knowledge not reproach.... be willing to help rather then mock...... be able to se the trail that others have taken to get where they are now, and guide them further down that path...... Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way......
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 21:18:31 CST *taps tassa on the head playfully*.. and you shall continue doing so tassa.. for it is GS rules.. and I gave My word to uphold GS rulings according to Council when I pledged My sword.. and My word is My bond..
tassa{Hawk}~t 21:19:46 CST chuckling at the second topic... good questions miss paz...
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:20:06 CST chuckles, topaz also slips on a camisk when in the Piazza, even though she had to alter one to fit her, as she is tiny and kept tripping over the hem...*winks at Mistress Laroona*
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 21:20:37 CST ahhhh.. kind of like the red herring, eh paz?.. the hero always lives thru any dangers.. LOL.. but a good topic.. I have often wondered that Myself.. almost like slaves are at starting gates waiting for that certain One to pop in and swoop down to pick He or Her up.. lol..
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:21:50 CST nods, well said Master Hawk, and to also leave when that person leaves???
when she should be i her home trying to attract people simply by her presence, or enter he Piazza and serve a Free who is there?....the list goes on!
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:23:08 CST waits to hear from Master Rollo is Forum is over and the dead horse put to it's grave.....grins
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 21:25:29 CST I think.. when people see. new or old.. see someone in.. they pop in for visit.. which in turn creates the domino effect.. more topple in.. but to wait til someone is in or someone you like.. kind of kill attendance.. ok.. so maybe two don't get along.. any two.. whether it be Free or slave.. if two are there.. doing their thing.. they don't even have to be talking.. save for the greet.. many times I come in just sharpening My swords and daggers.. and there for hours.. ok.. I accept not many like Me.. but hey if another were there.. others would stop in.. even more so
Laroona 21:26:12 CST on second part
I sometimes enter and often slaves come... so still remains the question should slaves also if have time away from RT to sit as if people are in others will more often enter *S*
Laroona 21:27:26 CST LOL Hawk reading my mind again LOL
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:27:57 CST yes they should Mistress Laroona...and Master Hawk..as anyone in GS, tends to bring in others...sometimes yes, sometimes no, but usually it will!!!
Rollo_the_Ax 21:28:04 CST LOL...LOL... yes, topaz.... we have said enough for today/tonight...... the forum is over for this week......
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:29:49 CST thank You Master Rollo...*winks as she shakes out her cramped fingers from scribing*
Laroona 21:31:17 CST *wipes an ink stain off topaz fingers, before she gets them all over her Master later**
Paedur-Advisor-Slavemaster 21:31:19 CST Seeing Forum has been called to a close.
Tal Free. *S*
greetings slaves. *S*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:32:17 CST chuckles...thanks Mistress Laroona!