BDSM SYMBOLS
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 19:22:10 pm CDT
smiling out at the crowd ,, its time to start forum tonight... I will be conducting it.. please keep all greetings to pm to help the scribes.. and pm
me your questions
Laroona 19:24:55 pm CDT
Laroona 19:12:58 pm CDT
can all put tag lines on please just names for the scribes
PLease no chatting other than on the topic, or action posts. There has been too much of this of late despite being asked repeatedly
The protocols for all forums are clear and not difficult to follow
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 19:29:14 pm CDT
so far no topics. but one of the slaves has pm'd me indicating that they are trying to recuit some new folks,, please be fair but understanding with
newcomers as all of us we new once
Laroona 19:31:48 pm CDT
most of us are trying to recruit...some are slaves, some are Free
giving the website helps
I am working with GaryM to have that site updated and on a regular basis so it can be linked
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 19:33:07 pm CDT
ty Laroona
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 19:39:45 pm CDT
A first question:
do people understand what the swirly symbol on some of the lifetime members tagline really stands for... and why is it used so much on Gor?
shadow{Ulrich} 19:41:00 pm CDT
why it is used on Gor?
it is a symbol for the bdsm world
Laroona 19:42:26 pm CDT
It is a BDSM symbol and frankly I think that it does NOT belong in GOR'
Lifetime members have options to adding this icon to their names so why not use the gorean symbols that there under MY Setting
desiree {Drusus} 19:43:42 pm CDT
it is a Triskele and it is a BDSM symbol that signifies
Domination/Submission...
Laroona 19:44:14 pm CDT
PLease no chatting other than on the topic, or action posts. There has been
too much of this of late despite being asked repeatedly
The protocols for all forums are clear and not difficult to follow
shadow{Ulrich} 19:44:17 pm CDT
shadow is unsure what meaning it would have to a Gorean?
she knows what it means to the bdsm world..
maybe others don't know that it is symbolic?
Laroona 19:45:39 pm CDT
frankly I do not see even why there is a need to be used in GS as we know who is who and only lifers get them
Laroona 19:47:26 pm CDT
would or should the question be
should they be used in GS?
Ulrich 19:47:44 pm CDT
I just always assumed that the people wearing it never gave it much thought.
I think as a lifetime member you get a swirly.
Until recently, I didn't know so many different ones were available, and some may be like me and get lost in the console.
Azmyth 19:47:51 pm CDT
I think a better question would be SandMan would be, why does the person's choice of their lifetime membership icon matter. If it really mattered there
would be a vast choice for Gorean icons. You could have axes for those of the North, bosk horns for those of the plains, even masts for those that
reside in Port Kar or are Pirates. So why to me it matters not what icon they use as it is really the person themselves that matter, not what icon
they use to identify their lifetime status.
Deirdre 19:48:21 pm CDT
I think that should be the choice of the Pperson the symbol belongs to. I don't want anyone telling Me that I can't use it if I want to.
Laroona 19:48:41 pm CDT
Swirly, sword, rose, kajira and other symbols are available
'I think we all gather from icons what we are a Free or slave
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 19:48:44 pm CDT
looking over to Laroona I think the person asking,, was wondering if everyone knew what they were,, and not asking for commentary on
appropriateness tho of course forum is open for all to express their opinions
Laroona 19:50:04 pm CDT
Azmyth I agree
use gorean symbols.. just my opinion
Cavy 19:51:51 pm CDT
Aye but some use Gorean symbols in DM.....its just there choice
Laroona 19:53:08 pm CDT
horses for courses IMO
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 19:53:11 pm CDT
In my case its more a matter of showing I am a lifetime member than anything else
Laroona 19:54:09 pm CDT
then why not use the sword?
shadow{Ulrich} 19:54:40 pm CDT
shadow knows what the meaning is to someone in the bdsm
lifestyle but she was curious how this crosses over to a Gorean?
just because the can? or is there a meaning to Goreans?
Cavy 19:55:38 pm CDT
isnt that His choice Laroona
Deirdre - Physician & Companion to Sandman 19:55:56 pm CDT
I'd never heard before that the swirlie was a notation of anything BDSM and I have been here for a long time. *shrugging* Who really cares? I
mean....it's a CHOICE, right?
Ulrich 19:57:41 pm CDT
The only thing is about it being a "choice", it may not have happened recently, but I am aware of slaves being punished for entering GS with a
BDSM symbol. It was long ago, but it was part of their training so to speak.
Laroona 19:57:51 pm CDT
this is Gor if I am not mistaken there are choices
BDSM have their choices
poolside chat have their choices
but as some seem to be upset as it is their dime their right
{Zor} 19:58:58 pm CDT
shouldnt how we act be more important than what lil symbol happens to be there?
Deirdre - Physician & Companion to Sandman 19:59:06 pm CDT
*looking at Ulrich*
For real? slaves were really punished for that? This is the first I've ever heard of that. I mean....in here it doesn't notate BDSM.
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 19:59:29 pm CDT
smiling to lara,, well said girl
Xertog 19:59:34 pm CDT
I know no GS slaves have been punished for such a thing in the last 2 years that I have been on the Council.
Cavy 19:59:38 pm CDT
yes it is Laroona.....its there membership so who says what symbol they display............maybe if You paid the membership then You can decide what
symbol they use
Deirdre - Physician & Companion to Sandman 20:00:10 pm CDT
*nodding to lara*
Absolutely correct, sweetling....
shadow{Ulrich} 20:00:16 pm CDT
*points to herself*
oh yes a girl was and she happened to be at the Pumphouse at Poolside
shadow{Ulrich} 20:00:38 pm CDT
mind you it was long ago.. *s*
Laroona 20:01:53 pm CDT
Cavy how would YOU or anyone know MY membership status??????????
Cavy 20:03:02 pm CDT
Laroona I never said I did.......You said that They should carry a Gorean symbol I answered that statement
Deirdre - Physician & Companion to Sandman 20:03:04 pm CDT
Laroona.....Geez.....He didn't say that He KNEW Your membership status......
Ulrich 20:03:06 pm CDT
Aye Deirdre as you can see, shadow was actually the one I was speaking of.
When she wore the GS collar, that was enforced upon her.
Personally, I've never paid much mind to the swirlies, but I know many people do, and one thing we need is consistency.
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 20:03:52 pm CDT
smiling I look around the room I believe the original question has been adequately answered
Laroona 20:03:59 pm CDT
Cavy 19:59:38 pm CDT
yes it is Laroona.....its there membership so who says what symbol they
display............maybe if You paid the membership then You can decide what symbol they use
Azmyth 20:04:23 pm CDT
It does not matter what icon you wear, how you act does. That is the bottom line. If I pay for my membership it is no ones business what I wear as my
icon. If I want a pink poodle it is my right and no one elses. How I present myself is all that matters and is what I should be judged on. Point blank,
end of story.
Cavy 20:04:40 pm CDT
Laroona grow up will You if You dont understand what I said be quiet
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 20:05:26 pm CDT
well said Azmyth
Laroona 20:05:30 pm CDT
Cavy please all I said was replying to you about your comment "maybe if you paid the membership"
Cavy 20:06:19 pm CDT
thats right if You paid THERE membership I said nothing about yours
Laroona 20:06:30 pm CDT
and I believe and understand this is an open forum where opinions can be expressed
Azmyth 20:06:36 pm CDT
Cavy is saying that unless you paid my membership Laroona, you have no right worrying about what icon I use, he uses, or any one else. I ponied up the
green backs and not you so it is none of your business what I am sporting as long as I am acting appropriately. Just para phrasing, Cavy.
Deirdre - Physician & Companion to Sandman 20:06:37 pm CDT
Laroona....Cavy was speaking the YOU as a universal term....as in....if someone pays for it, they should be able to use whatever symbol they
want....NOT You and in LAROONA
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 20:06:46 pm CDT
taking my staff and striking the floor,, idont have a gavel so that will have to do
Laroona 20:06:50 pm CDT
The was the word used
shadow{Ulrich} 20:07:09 pm CDT
shadow thinks the point is
the symbol is bdsm and this is Gor..
not that its *any* symbol but that it is a *bdsm* symbol
Karima 20:07:29 pm CDT
May I suggest the bickering cease now? The topic has been discussed, so there is no need for harsh words spoken
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:07:35 pm CDT
aurora distinctly remembers it being a concern and a directive from the Captains that bdsm symbols were not to be used in Gor
as a matter of fact she remembers One Captain forbid a slave to use it
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:07:43 pm CDT
~Scrolls back only briefly, noting some shit stirring, stops there, and decides to wait to see if this will be worth My time~
Laroona 20:08:22 pm CDT
there is no need to shout
I know what was said
I also know I have a right to say this is a gorean room and not a bdsm room
Azmyth 20:08:49 pm CDT
-feels like a rules judge in a D&D game judging the word "the", "they", or "their"-
Deirdre - Physician & Companion to Sandman 20:09:24 pm CDT
Am I shouting? I'm NOT shouting......should I go and change My font?
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS 20:09:25 pm CDT
*if the symbol is a problem with the slaves then the council needs to put forward a ruling that states that a slave will not wear a BDSM symbol while
in gor?*
Xertog 20:09:47 pm CDT
Gary offers different symbols for people to choose from. People can use what they want if they have a life time membership. I think the topic was quickly
beat to death. So how about we move on.
{Zor} 20:09:59 pm CDT
is there really enough Masters upset about the symbols that it has to lead to people gettin upset?
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 20:10:01 pm CDT
ty Brother Xertog
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:10:15 pm CDT
Get a grip people and focus on the points that can actually MAKE a difference.
Laroona 20:10:50 pm CDT
maybe council should make a ruling then
Azmyth 20:11:08 pm CDT
lara, it has never mattered to any till tonight I think.
Taegan 20:11:33 pm CDT
Perhaps if people just viewed it as a variation on the yin and yang?..This discussion is kinda akin to.."A rose by any other name would smell as
sweet"..People are the words they type here..not the avi's or symbols they choose...yes?
{Zor} 20:11:49 pm CDT
thanks Master Azmyth, lara does good to keep up with her tag let alone worry about Others...
Deirdre - Physician & Companion to Sandman 20:12:35 pm CDT
*nodding to Taegen*
HOnestly and sincerely that is what I have always thought that it was.
*chuckling* I was totally clueless that it had anything to do with BDSM.
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:12:52 pm CDT
that is totally contradictory to what MOST are saying here Master Emerald Forest...if that is the case then
slaves also pay dues and memberships
the point was it is a bdsm symbol period...and Gor is not bdsm
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:14:14 pm CDT
many didnt Mistress Deirdre
many slaves didnt until Captains pointed it out years ago
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS 20:14:36 pm CDT
*I know slaves pay their membership, but if they are going to get in trouble for it then a ruling should be made stating said symbol?*
Azmyth 20:15:30 pm CDT
aurora, I think one problem is that their are girls that go back and forth between Gorean SHores and PoolSide BDSM rooms and have names they use there.
I do not think there is a way to say, have my name show with a Gorean icon in Gor and have it show a BDSM icon when I use a BDSM name in PoolSide, I
may be wrong. One account uses the same icon in both sites.
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:16:23 pm CDT
Swirly symbol = No, I don't. I aint been a lifetime member, all that matters to Me is the Gor symbols. If someone has a Gor symbol and uses it in Gor,
they are proclaiming themsleves Gorean, if someone is out of gor and using a diff symbol, that is up to them. If someone is out of gor and using the same
symbol outside, then that is up to them and their owners. GS is not an avitar police.
desiree {Drusus} 20:16:59 pm CDT
~softly speaking~ while the symbol is still widely considered a BDSM symbol
it also signifies Domination and submission and in Gor...Men dominate the female...
Cavy 20:18:10 pm CDT
good point desiree
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:19:00 pm CDT
I have seen a shit load of people with "swirly" icons, I do not know how many of those I have considered slave though, probably very few if they
judge their actions by icons.
~Chuckles~
{Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann 20:19:28 pm CDT
nods my head in agreement with desiree...
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:20:26 pm CDT
aye Men dominate the female
hence why slaves were never allowed to wear the bdsm symbol
in fact new slaves that were not even members, yet before they joined were
told not to attach the symbol to their title
am just trying to say what was at one point a factor here in GS
and struggling with consistency here...
{Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann 20:22:31 pm CDT
softly says this girl was never told one way or the other about the
symbol..she wears it because of the Domination/submission not just because
it is BDSM
desiree {Drusus} 20:22:36 pm CDT
thinking that the perfect solution for this would be to remove the triskele
from the options for lifetime members here in GS however, thinking that would also affect the programming in the Pool? A girl is not sure about that
but it might?
Deirdre - Physician & Companion to Sandman 20:22:37 pm CDT
Somebody shoot this horse and put it out of it's misery........we've beaten it enough, haven't we? *grinning and trying to make light*
Cavy 20:23:07 pm CDT
at the end of a day a symbol doesnt make anybody Gorean.....I could put a nasa badge on My sleeve it does mean Im a scientist
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:23:22 pm CDT
Does a little fucking symbol mean that much? It only applies to life members anyway sheesh, why is such a fuss being created over a tiny symbol? It does
not dictate the actions of the person.
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:27:10 pm CDT
obviously it meant something at one point Jarl
~shrugs and shuts up~
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:29:33 pm CDT
"Obviously?" Of course, silly, Me, I never noticed before, I must be thick as two shits of plywood going through a flooring grate...
Like I said, Goreans are either Gorean or not, through their actions, to Me, if they need "icons" to define their Goreaness, then I won't bother speaking
to them, because I don't have such an icon, and I expect nothing less in return.
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:33:59 pm CDT
Jarl....the obvious merely meant
that it was an issue before in GS
but it is evident only a few remember it
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:36:06 pm CDT
Maybe aurora, some people either need to grow up, or simply, move on, not in that order, but people should be judged on actions, not icons. My sentiment
only.
FESTIVAL JULY 27th & 28th
Xertog 20:22:54 pm CDT
We are going to move on to another topic. The festival. I am going to post
what I have set up. This is your chance to speak up on it and perhaps make
changes. I'll add changes and post it on the board.
Xertog 20:32:35 pm CDT
Dates will be July 27th & 28th
Or August 3rd and 4th
During the festival all of Gorean Shores will be a No Kill / No Capture and FW won't be restricted from any of the rooms. Slaves will not have to beg to
enter or leave.
All times are North American Central Time Zone (GS room time)
Slaves will be serving drinks and food from platters.
DANCE CONTEST
The girls will be required to e mail their dance by midnight Thursday
July 26th to festivalgs@hotmail.com . The dances will then be forwarded
to the judges with the names of the slave replaced with a number
designation. The girls name should not be used in the dance. This is to make
the judging fair and it gives the judges Friday and part of Saturday to
review the dances. The slaves should perform their dance publicly some time
during the festival. This is open to slaves from out side of GS.
Three categories to be judged are: best first dance, best yellow silk dance,
best red silk dance
and best open dance. Open dance is a free form dance to be judged on humor,
imagination and entertainment.
Judges for the slave dancing are: TBA.
FW dance contest. The FW are free to be imaginative in their dance and dress for the dance with out repercussions. Judged by TBA.
Poem and song contest: Submit a poem or a song you have written. E mail t to
festivalgs@hotmail.com by midnight Thursday July 26th. All entries will
be forwarded to the judge with their names removed. Judges tba.
Scavenger Hunt
This contest will run the week prior to the festival Monday July 23rd
through midnight on Thursday July 26. On Monday morning a list of items will
be posted on the GS message board that you will need to search for. You’ll
need to obtain the items from other gorean chat sites. You may use just one
room from a chat site with multiple rooms.
You will need to cut and paste and save the posts. Once you get the item
from the site, you invite them to come to the festival. Email your results
Xertog 20:33:15 pm CDT
Sparring Tournament
Fights will be scheduled through out the week. Send an E mail expressing
your interest and availability. Rules and format TBA shortly.
Friday: 4:00PM Opening of the festival
Scavenger hunt winner announced.
Followed by slave and FW dancing also poems and songs recited.
7:00PM Name that slaves
4 or 5 slaves are chosen to enter the Tavern using the names Slave A, Slave
B, Slave C, Slave D, Slave E. They each serve a drink to someone. When they
are done the Free try and guess who each slave was.
Followed by more slave and FW dancing.
8:30PM Slave, Meat Toss Contest
The bosk will be soaked in kalana.
The most creative players, with at least three posts each.
It will be played out as done in the below quotes from the books by John
Norman:
"Lana, Ute and I knelt in a line, facing the players. Our hands were bound
behind our backs with binding fiber.
The men, wagering, tossed us pieces of meat.
We caught them, in the firelight. A catch was two points. A piece which was
dropped was fair game for any. We fought for the dropped pieces. The
retrieval of such a piece was one point. Ute dropped a piece and Lana and I
fought, each holding to a part of the fallen prize, rolling and tearing. I
struggled back to my knees, tearing my head to one side. "Mine!" I cried,
swallowing the meat, almost choking, laughing.
"Mine!" cried Lana, gorging the other half of the meat.
"Point for each," adjudicated one of the guards.
We were excited, and wanted to play further."
CAPTIVE OF GOR-, Page 112
"I saw a line of five slave girls, kneeling, abreast, their hands tied
behind their back. Bits of meat were thrown to them, one after the other. A
catch scored two points for the master. A missed piece might be sought by
any of the girls, scrambling about, on their bellies. She who managed to
obtain it received one point for her master. The girls were encouraged from
the sidelines, not only by their masters but by the crowd as well, some of
whom placed bets on the outcome."
MAGICIANS OF GOR-, Page 37
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:33:35 pm CDT
Hmm 27th, I think I can make at least one night for a change, I keep missing
them to work but cannot promise anything due to gigs.
Xertog 20:33:58 pm CDT
Saturday:
12:00PM – 4:30
Dancing for anyone that was unable to perform their dance on Friday night
4:30PM Gorean Trivia
Prepared questions will be asked from the 26 Gorean books by John Norman.
The first right answer posted wins a point.
Run By: tba
5:30PM Improvised group slave dance
A girl is chosen to start and writes about 4 or 5 lines of a dance. Then
another girl is chosen and picks up where the last girl left off and so on.
6:30PM Dance contest winners announced. Poem /song contest winner announced
7:00PM Oar Dancing contest in the training yard
It is addressed as any athletic activity for men, similar
to a judged spar. In the training yard a mock set of twelve oars running
from a false ship side, complete with rail, running
to the ground below at a proper angle. Also a mud pit added at the bottom.
The men will have five posts to do their best to jump from oar to
oar (which even if not moving would be difficult due to their
narrowness) in an entertaining manner. The men, from the start must
leap from the rail to the oar and not touch ground or rail till they
are finished.
The winner gets a copy of Book #9 Marauders of Gor (Used and in fair
condition)
Ulrich 20:34:47 pm CDT
I'll be hit or miss that weekend, I'll know better as the time grows closer.
Laroona 20:39:09 pm CDT
Xertog when you are ready the scribes put the Festival page up (probably use
the one already ther.. jut change dates) and post the link that gives people two chances to read...
Xertog 20:43:24 pm CDT
jessenia I am looking for some feed back on the dates. Let me know folks:
July 27th & 28th
Or August 3rd and 4th
Laroona 20:44:35 pm CDT
think July dates are OK
but then it is up to the majority
{Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann 20:45:03 pm CDT
nassy is not availabe for either of those dates..
{Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann 20:45:42 pm CDT
but like Mistress Laroona stated it's a Majority of the Free that can that matter
OriginalSandman_Builder/Captain of GS 20:45:49 pm CDT
July is better for me ,, but let the majority decide
Ramses 20:47:24 pm CDT
the July dates work better for Me
Deirdre - Physician & Companion to Sandman 20:49:05 pm CDT
I'm fine with either date......so whatever the majority decide
Xertog 20:49:06 pm CDT
July it is then
Laroona 20:49:30 pm CDT
nassy not the majority of the free
majority of all
Ulrich 20:49:54 pm CDT
I'm iffy on either date.
Cavy 20:50:27 pm CDT
I Can make either so dont matter to Me
Xertog 20:53:06 pm CDT
Ok what about the rest of it?? Any event would you like add or deleted??
Xertog 21:02:34 pm CDT
OK ..if nobody has anything else on the festival lets call the forum to a
close then.
Thank you Sandman for leading the forum.. Thank you jessenia for srcibing.