Privacy issues in GS?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:51:02 CST
There have been numerous incidents lately of r/t information being posted on the GS boards. Most of this r/t information was obtained through the hacking (or spyware) on individual computers, but much information was attained by the ability to read whispers. What can We as a site, and specifically, our Council of Captains do to persuade the site owner to stop this?
{MDK}_~His_'laise~ 19:52:22 CST
thinks He wouldn't have much choice if obvious invasion of privacy was done.. and He loses customers over it... it would eventually lead the closing of the site again for lack of money
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:52:45 CST
Is the site owner responsible? I know in the past he has said that whisper reading did not exist. Is there proof it does?
Marie 19:53:16 CST
to My understanding Captain, it has to have been hacked, as no One, again, to my knowledge, has the ability to read whispers, except Gary M...
Marie 19:54:05 CST
if I am wrong, please correct Me...because if that is the case, I will take my business elsewhere...as no individual should be given that kind of
freedom, to invade MY privacy
bahi{RD} 19:54:47 CST
i have proof enough, Master Kyoto
Ramses 19:54:49 CST
I have had at least one "lifer" tell Me they have that capability, at least in public rooms ... but have no real prrof proof they spoke the truth, not
they say anything about whispers
roskva 19:54:58 CST
~nods in agreement with Master Kyoto~
for years now this issue has come up over at PS and Gary has insisted is not possible to read whispers. He even gave reason to back this up, although
roskva can't remember what His words were as it was long ago. perhaps if this is an ongoing issue for GS, then try to get Him to come to a Forum to
help ease minds, or send a comment that could be c&p'd?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:55:57 CST
*to My knowledge and what I have heard, nobody can get whispers, to Gary's knowledge, but then again they are some people out there that have computer knowledge far beyond other's*
Deirdre 19:56:54 CST
Marie........I know for a fact that when She was here Kayla was a monitor and had the ability to read whispers. When She and I were Friends....and
still speaking, She told Me that both She and topaz were given monitoring rights by Gary.
The_Skullsplitter 19:56:58 CST
Not a lot you can really do, I do not think the Web Admin is really all that knowledgable in IT matters, it's all about software and manipulation. PS/GS software is years and years old, it is not hard for anyone who has basic knowledge of programming to access and inject MYSQL databases to rattle off usernames, email addresses and plant copies in to gain passwords, same goes for PhBB Forums. If the problem is such that a great number of these problems are occurring then he would really have to think about upgrading or switching to something more modern. As for keyloggers and whatnot, that is down to the specific user, everyone should know about basic protection today.
Ramses 19:57:13 CST
my typing is atrocious ...
let me clarify ..
what they spoke of was "peek" capability into a public room, no mention was ever made of reading whispers
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:57:31 CST
*Gary has said heaps of times that nobody can read whispers, but maybe some people have found out how without His knowledge*
roskva 19:57:36 CST
there have been one or more sources out there that have enough knowledge to mess with chatters as in changing tag lines etc. but even then Gary insisted whispers could not get hacked into.
sure there are room Monitors and sadly those links get shared out when they are not supposed to. People who peek and c&p whatever info they wish
{MDK}_~His_'laise~ 19:57:43 CST
tela doesn't understand what right monitors have to read private whispers.. that would be the purpose of them being private....
bahi{RD} 19:58:15 CST
i think most here know i'm not one to yell Fire when none exists and recently information contained in whispered only messages has been made
public.. not only that but while in GS, on 2 occassions.. attempts were made to load software programs to both involved systems..
i think by recognizing this has the possibility of being a very real and serious issue.. that would be the first step toward a solution
It speaks that the programming of the server site doesn't have sufficient security measures in place
Deirdre 19:58:26 CST
*nodding to Ramses*
It seems that "lifers" were at one time given that privilege as an added perk.
Xertog 19:58:37 CST
I have written Gary and have asked him to address the concerns raised that some people can read whispers. With all the speculating going on I have yet to hear who has these powers GS.
I rarely give out RT information and never do so in any chat format. I don't know how many times in the last year I have heard people complain about
being harassed with phone calls from somebody they gave out their number to, but it's a lot.
roskva 19:59:33 CST
tela in all of roskvas time at PS, again Gary has stated Monitors are not allowed to read whispers, but are allowed to peek into public rooms, as they
are supposed to Monitor, sadly some abuse that right
Ramses 20:00:14 CST
that was My understanding Deidre
and I am wondering if that capability somehow became misconstrued as the ability to read whispers
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:00:53 CST
*if the monitor are abusing that right, we need to let gary know who it is and see if He can suspend them from it, but it all comes down to proof and
knowing who it is?*
Marie 20:01:20 CST
I have monitoring rights, given to me by Gary, I can't read whispers. I could, at one time, peek, though I've since lost the login, and haven't asked Gary for it back, since I have no desire to "peek"...I can still, however, kick someone out of a room, look up an ISP, and boot someone to the moon if I wish it. I've NEVER been able to read a whisper
roskva 20:02:23 CST
not all lifers have the capability to peek and the last time roskva and Gary spoke on this topic, He was mainly done giving out peek links and she thinks took the link away from many
also Jarl Skullsplitter is right, the software is old, sadly for Gary it's money based, He tries His best to keep everything as updated as possible, one would thing the more new memberships causing a better flow of money then perhaps at some point the software could be updated, although this is just
her opinion
bahi{RD} 20:02:33 CST
roskava.. that peek site was one that many had access to.. even beyond the monitors.. i personally know of several who had the address to the page.. at one time i myself was even offered it.. but that's a mott issue as it's been said that page is now down.. but the point i think is the lack of security
for GS/PS and that issue is what members , i feel, need to address with GaryM
Deirdre 20:02:42 CST
Ramses.......I know for a fact that topaz could read whispers. Laroona and I "set a trap" for her once.....and guess what.....it worked. The false
information that She and I had whispered about found it's way to the slave grapevine.......
Marie 20:02:42 CST
not ALL lifers were made monitors..*shrugs*
MDK}_~His_'laise~ 20:02:53 CST
tela is capable also of slowing someone down..
but never was able to peek.. and knows Gary recently disabled that page.. due to another issue
Marie 20:03:24 CST
now THAT does not surprise me Dierdre..*chuckling*..topaz has...well, I won't say it, it's not lady like, but, I'll sure whisper it to you
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:03:59 CST
*then maybe reading whispers has nothing to do with Gary and if that is so, what can we do about it as we are talking about a very knowledgeable
hacker*
bahi{RD} 20:04:54 CST
i don't feel the who matters.. it's the access that remains that would be the issue.. no? and what can be done to approach this being resolved
{KUURUS}'silks 20:05:23 CST
*wonders if donations to help pay for new software would be acceptable...*
Deirdre 20:05:26 CST
*listening to the comments of Tthose around Me*
Captain Xertog.....and Captain EF.....I say this with respect......but........seems to Me that the "rumor" of a peek room was just confirmed, was it not?
Xertog 20:05:44 CST
It is my understanding that the GS peek has been removed.
roskva 20:06:19 CST
i understand bahi, it's been an ongoing issue for years...but again like what Jarl Skullsplitter said, the software is outdated and perhaps without the funds to update, then certain issues will remain the same.
but i do agree, there needs to be strengthening in security
sha'reen{Xg-L} 20:07:22 CST
"perhaps Master Forest, if it is one very knowledgeable hacker, then Gary should be notified so that He can get help in eliminating the problem.
this girl knows for a fact there are programs out there that one can use to gain access to passwords. she has never had it happen to her, but she has
had it happen to two of her friends at another site. the unfortunate part of all this is that once one is stopped another could easily find it's way in
with newer programs that can make it through the safe guards put up." takes a breath
bahi{RD} 20:07:37 CST
Master Forest.. when we each take out memberships here we expect, and rightfully so, that the provider we're buying from has sufficient security
measures in place to secure us from other than the occasional intrusion.. but this appears to be something that has been an issue for a long time.. or
we expect the provider to openly make us aware that the private conversation function isn't secure so that we can make informed decisions on how we opt to use this feature
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:08:25 CST
*well We as Captains can only do so much Deirdre, We have spoken to Gary a few times about this and He has no knowledge about people getting whispers and I for one is not a computer wizz LOL*
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:09:30 CST
*that is true shareen, there will always be someone out there that can hack into anything*
The_Skullsplitter 20:09:34 CST
Are you sure it is not simply someone being two faced and showing their own whispers to people they thought they could trust and ending up having to cover their backs though... people online can be very fickle at times.
bahi{RD} 20:10:02 CST
i guess roskva it bothers me that this has been an ongoing issue.. yet has been kept a skeleton in the closet.. it should have been openly recognized
so people were aware of it's presence
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:10:31 CST
*that is true bahi, but what can the owner do to stop them as they are very advanced in hacking, He can put security measures in place, but how long before that gets hacked
Ramses 20:10:45 CST
seems to Me that is very possible, Thorfinn
Deirdre 20:10:49 CST
Captain EF.....Pardon My bluntness.......but that is not good enough.
Mentioning something to Gary, and putting pressure on Him to solve the problem is two different things. We cannot just throw Oour hands up in the
air and say...."Oh Well"......
bahi{RD} 20:10:55 CST
in my particular circumstance Jarl, that wasn't possible
sha'reen{Xg-L} 20:11:21 CST
nodding, "And not being a computer genius isn't always a prerequisite either.
when she found out her friends lost their accounts because of this.. she did a search to see what she could find. she could have gotten the accounts
back for them with the programs she found.. they were simple and easy to use... And they are everywhere."
Xertog 20:12:22 CST
bahi I think it's more accurate to say it has been on going rumors of such
sha'reen{Xg-L} 20:12:53 CST
~blinks at Jarl Skullsplitter's words, trying not to grin.. she can't imagine anyone she knows online being fickle.. blink blink
ok ok.. she can think of 10 or 20~
bahi{RD} 20:13:56 CST
there have been several times since i've been here that people have been near pleading their case regarding this.. i think after the same claim is made a few times.. perhaps it might be prudent to view it as more than a rumor?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:14:14 CST
*We can only put so much pressure on Gary and what do You think We can do about it then Deirdre?*
The_Skullsplitter 20:16:27 CST
Out of curiosity, how long ago was the last "attack" known to be made?
Xertog 20:16:45 CST
Before Rast's post today on the boards I have not heard the claim made beyond rumors. bahi can you tell me who is reading whispers
bahi{RD} 20:16:54 CST
Master Forest, respectfully, to me that appears to be a business issue and one Gary M needs to take responsibility for if he chooses to maintain a
business of this sort.. a responsibility to keep up with the times.. just like everyone else in business has an obligation to do for their clients
bahi{RD} 20:17:07 CST
this past week Jarl
Kuurus's}_saphyre 20:17:31 CST
maybe it is not the site they are hacking into but individual ppl's puters
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:18:45 CST
*He does need to take responsibility about it bahi ,but He can only do as much as He can, but I am sure some will still slip through His security, so
what can We do about those few?*
bahi{RD} 20:19:15 CST
specifically Master Xertog? no, i do know of one that passed along this gathered information and passed it along outside this online realm.. and i
do knwo that the security measures in place on my system by the IT dept where i work picked up on 2 attempts to load the software my Master
mentioned were caught, detailed and noted.. and that each attempt was made while i was here in GS
DoubleBlade 20:20:42 CST
May i suggest that if a person is hacking i we find them we bann them then report
bahi{RD} 20:21:16 CST
Master Forest, i don't honestly believe this is just a once in a while thing.. or that it's hot and miss.. i think it's the same people time and again.. and considering this isn't the first time this has happened.. and the same people seem to be involved.. close or distant.. but always involved.. it doesn't make sense o me that those individuals aren't known
bahi{RD} 20:22:11 CST
would it matter if it were leda?
{Kuurus's}_saphyre 20:22:56 CST
agreeing with leda ..if all recall when this happened before Master Dulans yahoo messages were posted on the boards
sha'reen{Xg-L} 20:23:11 CST
"a girl does have to say this.. any time someone posts in any room, they are at risk. this girl used to chat at another site where the risk was there and
the site owner was obsessed with keeping the software and everything up to date.
There will always be those who will try, some just because they were bored.
a girl has known a few hackers in her life. As long as Gary is doing what he can and keeping the site up to date, then the only other thing to stop it
all together is to go offine" ~shrugs softly~
Deirdre 20:24:17 CST
I know of the whisper reading at least 2 years ago. So this is NOT a recent thing.
The_Skullsplitter 20:25:44 CST
If his yahoo messages were appearing, as well as his whispers, then I think it is his own PC or account that has been made accessible, not a direct
injection into the GS database, in which case it would be a personal problem
no? Has anyone else had access to his computer from the online world?
Zoran 20:26:07 CST
I can see if a hacker is just causing trouble but what if it goes to rt
like it has here now were talking crime to a point
it need to be addressed
I always thought whisper were mine but I starting to see clear that one can not really be discreet online
leda {GS} 20:26:13 CST
bahi it's not that but perhaps your Master needs to change identity change servers perhaps He has a stalker. and if your are His slave now you too
become one to stalk is all the girl is trying to say sweetness ...
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:26:26 CST
*well like I said, We have spoken to Gary about the reading whispers issue and He has told Us heaps of times that He has not given anyone the ability to read whispers so it is outside of His knowledge*
bahi{RD} 20:26:44 CST
sha'reen.. what i'm saying is this should be a recognized issue.. and perhaps if it's something openly recognized.. then people will take additional measures to secure their systems.. and possibly think twice abotu what they say.. rather than continue to perpetuate a false sense of security
many have
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:28:04 CST
*shareen is right in what she says, nobody will ever stop the hackers, maybe the best thing is not to talk about others in whispers*
sha'reen{Xg-L} 20:29:39 CST
nods softly to bahi
"oh a girl agrees with you bahi. she isn't saying it isn't a problem, but there is also only so much one can do.. we can talk about it until the cows come home and leave again, but if people don't take those measures we can't force 'em."
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:29:50 CST
*I have been here now for about 5 years and none of My whispers have been placed in the open ,maybe My whispers are not worth going into the open LOL*
Marie 20:30:07 CST
It's not always other we are talking about in whispers Captain, it's ourselves as well..it's a breach of privacy
leda~{GS} 20:30:30 CST
Master Emerald Forrest ...this one does not think it's the talking about others that would be the big problem in reading whispers just plain personal
is the point is all !
bahi{RD} 20:30:53 CST
acyually sis.. He has changed servers because of this very thing.. and to no avail.. and i have also.. to the same end
while my system wasn't accessed only because of the security measures in place.. it's enough the attempts were made
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:32:20 CST
*I know all whispers are supposed to be private and I agree with you'se in saying that it should stay private,but what can We do about it?*
Deirdre 20:32:23 CST
Exactly Lady Marie..........exactly. It is happening....but We still seem to not acknowlege that it is. It is a privacy issue........dammit.........
Zoran 20:32:25 CST
but like any public thing the internet can be taped
hell are own goverment can do it
{Kuurus's}_saphyre 20:32:44 CST
bahi your Master has a stalker though and has had for a while ...so when they see His name they are just going to find a way to hack His sytem again and now yours too
sha'reen{Xg-L} 20:34:08 CST
"then maybe He needs to empty out His computer to eliminate anything that His computer hasn't detected. sha'reen doesn' t know what to tell you. As
for the attempts.. it can happen any time anywhere.. if a girl were to look at her security software in one year she's had more attempts to access her
system than she cares to know. but they are stopped.. and she takes care to check for software she hasn't downloaded."
bahi{RD} 20:35:12 CST
i understand that saphyre.. but.. is it only him? in my time i've kown of more tan have come forward with the same complaints to have them wept away as if they were calling out fire when none existed.. this is my issue here tonight.. here in GS.. to see that hopefully this becomes something
recognized and accepted as a thing that is actually happening
leda~{GS} 20:36:09 CST
well maybe the Webmaster can be asked Master Emerald Forrest to monitor bahi and her Master's on line time to figure out who is doing the hacking and then get ride of them and even report such to the police ...does that sound silly ?...
Marie 20:36:37 CST
I've had many attempts of someone trying to access my computer system...my computer has caught it, however, I'm no guru, so have no idea how to check to see if any of that software has been loaded on my system
{Kuurus's}_saphyre 20:37:07 CST
well i dont know bahi but the only proablems saphyre ever had of this kind was when she was spending time with Master Dulan and all the girls who
talked to Him got drug through the mud with Him ..its either a jealous rt ex or a man who is jealous of Him
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:37:21 CST
*well that would be up to bahi and her Master leda as that is personnel*
sha'reen{Xg-L} 20:37:55 CST
Mistress Marie, you can get software that can check that for you. a lot of the time the spyware is hidden inside other programs.
Orion 20:38:14 CST
-scrolls back to see what the topic is- Forest, the answer is REAL simple,
if you are afraid SOMEONE like BIGBROTHER could be reading your whispers, TAKE it to IM or another instant messenger..
bahi{RD} 20:38:15 CST
leda.. the point is.. perhaps if this becomes public knowledge this is happening.. that might also act to some degree as a deterrent to those doing this incredibly pathetic and petty deed
Marie 20:38:30 CST
hmm..I can't recall ever speaking to Rast...so I don't think that's it saphyre....but, I could be wrong..
The_Skullsplitter 20:39:29 CST
Well sorry, but to Me it sounds like it is his own system that has the problem. Everything that has been said, about the attempts to download things onto his server, the fact his non GS messengers are being posted as well as his GS whispers, to Me shows a completely breach on his own security
system. If it were just the GS whispers, then maybe I would worry about it for the sake of people in GS.
Kristian 20:40:22 CST
agrees with Orion.. I have switched to IM..
bahi{RD} 20:41:20 CST
those attempts were made on my system also Jarl
leda~{GS} 20:42:12 CST
tis very pathtic bahi and if the stalker is know to your Master He might have to report her or him to the police ...this one is not sure of such laws
against such or not ?!?...Anyone ?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:42:49 CST
*ok then folks this topic is going around in circles,we all know that someone has the ability to get whispers and to peek,so all we can do is send
another message to Gary and tell Him about again and see what happens,but we all know that it happens*
bahi{RD} 20:42:55 CST
i don't maintain the standard level of security on my system .. it's much higher that most people would have.. and if it hadn't been for that fact.. my system would have been invaded also.. it was the elevated security programs that caught in the attempts
The_Skullsplitter 20:42:57 CST
bahi, then the same thing goes for you, maybe you are trying to hint that it is someone WITHIN GS that is doing this, in which case, why not simply
gather up all the evidence and give it to GaryM, he will have their payment methods which direct to an address and there are now Laws against this
today.
The_Skullsplitter 20:43:33 CST
bahi, attacking someones computer is not hacking into GS.
Marie 20:44:45 CST
BUT, the first part of the conversation seems to be forgotten, when Deirdre said her and Laroona set something up, and the whisper was shared with other slaves...THAT is hacking in to GS..
Paris_Healer_KI 20:47:37 CST
thinking..were these hacks on busness puters like in the workplace...were they into GS at their workstation....for the company could be the hacker..... or private ones
Webmaster 20:48:21 CST
DoubleBlade, actually, they just ratified a 7-member international treaty to prosecute hackers. Its getting easier to lock these people up.
But I'm not convinced we've been hacked.
The Peek Page can make a person FEEL spied upon...even though its not in a private room
Marie 20:49:17 CST
Gary, wasn't the peek page removed a long time ago??
Webmaster20:49:43 CST
Anyone remember that young asshole who vowed to shut us down?
Said he was a "Master Coder" (That still cracks me up)
Anyway, is he still looking upon GS with envious eyes? anyone know?
bahi{RD} 20:50:59 CST
this was on my private system.. but.. i'm a consultant and maintain my security levels to meet my clients standards.. most often a consultants system is placed with the client's IT dept and this perferred security programs installed.. as is the case with mine.. but the point is both happened.. and both while we were in GS.. but the point still remains that private convrastions have been monitored and gone public.. beyond offline
Deirdre 20:51:10 CST
Webmaster........I know for a fact that within the last year or so that My whispers have been read. Laroona and I "set up" a certain person through
whispers.....and guess what.....it worked. The false information that We planted became part of the slave grapevine.
Webmaster 20:52:00 CST
Marie
Yes, it had been. Then someone (I forget who) said the Council desperately needed it so I set it back up again.
With the recent complaints I deleteded it from the server entirely.
bahi{RD} 20:52:44 CST
Is there a means to monitor whsipered conversations that you have in place WebMaster? If not, then hacking would be the only other explaination
Webmaster 20:54:06 CST
bahi
50% technology, 50% Bullshit is my best guess... and since the Peek page is gone, the BS is nearing 100% *S*
bahi{RD} 20:55:30 CST
i'm the one whose private conversations.. 2 of them.. have gone public.. and ones i know for fact were kept private by both parties involved
Xertog 20:55:43 CST
Gary some one from the Council asked you to put the peek in place?
bahi{RD} 20:55:56 CST
gone public beyon this online venue.. information having gone to family members
bahi{RD} 20:57:19 CST
The person that took this information beyond online is known and will be dealt with.. but the issue still remains.. that exact copies of the conversation were obtained
{Kuurus's}_saphyre 20:57:32 CST
well they would have to KNOW His family members and who they are so that shows that case IS an attack on Master Dulan
bahi{RD} 20:59:47 CST
the person that passed along the information gained fom the private conversations does know his family.. but thats not my point
he had removed the software that had been planted only moments before the second time this happened
Orion 21:00:13 CST
-shakes his head as he stands to leave- That is the WHOLE point.. If you do NOT want your family involved, KEEP them AWAY from the site and the shit.. Set up an account for them on another part of the computer and lock yours down.. IF you have THAT much to keep away from them.. If not then it should not matter. It comes down to a matter of TRUST in the end.. I shall see you all later as this is not a normal forum..
bahi{RD} 21:00:25 CST
which then eliminates it having come from his system directly.. this has been something we have been watching closely before bringing public
Webmaster 21:01:47 CST
bahi
Are you sure there isn't a keylogger installed on your PC?
Have you checked?
bahi{RD} 21:02:22 CST
i'm positive there isn't.. 100% positive
sha'reen{Xg-L} 21:02:31 CST
not necessarily bahi, the program He deleted could have put something else in there that is hidden inside in another program. There are.. thousands of
possibilities here.
Deirdre 21:02:57 CST
WEbmaster.......What about the whispers read? Did You read My earlier posts to You?
Webmaster 21:03:12 CST
*Golf Clapping quietly but vigorously for Orion's comment*
Cann I getta AMEN
Orion 21:03:36 CST
-looks at the whispers- I DO know as I was drug in the shit as well. Know what, I GREW up and made sure my RT was kept APART from CT.. If you have a computer and half the skills to see it done and have the desire to, you CAN keep your RT from CT and vise versa..
bahi{RD} 21:03:48 CST
sha'reen.. even if that is the case.. how does that explain the other incident brought up tonight with regard to Mistress Deidre and Laroona?
bahi{RD} 21:05:08 CST
OK.. i'm going to be really blunt now.. if this whisper function isn't a private conversation function.. as it's presented to be.. why does it even
exist?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 21:05:20 CST
*this issue is not just at bahi and her Master,as bahi said it is also the issue about Deirdre and Laroona setting up a whisper and the whisper being
sent out?*
sha'reen{Xg-L} 21:06:05 CST
as a girl said bahi, there are thousands of possibilities. And as Gary said, someone did ask him to put the peek back.. don't know how long ago it was. certainly was before Christmas.. a girl thinks, as that was when the person they trapped left.. or there abouts.
Orion 21:06:11 CST
-shakes his head and just gets more pissed- AS I said, it is a matter of TRUST.. Hell, my WIFE sent me to a ONLINE GATHERING in ANOTHER state where there were a LOT of Goreans and CT Players there as she KNEW she could TRUST me.. If you do NOT have that kinda trust, then there are ALREADY other problems and issues in RT for you that someone on the Internet can add to.
bahi{RD} 21:06:12 CST
Thank you Master Forest, i've tried to make that clear tonight.. this is only but one more example
The_Skullsplitter 21:06:14 CST
If that is the case Emerald, then it sounds like they already know who the culprit is, so why not just come out and supply the evidence and get rid of
the person?
bahi{RD} 21:07:16 CST
What does this have to do with trust Master Orion?
Webmaster 21:10:06 CST
bahi
I'm getting the feeling this problem is bigger to you than to most of the others. What happened, exactly that has you not trusting anything now?
Orion 21:10:16 CST
bahi, if your RT trusted you then there would be NO reason for the shit to get as it has.. I see this so I am telling your RT or your family or telling
someone that can tell your family or telling 50 people that can get the word to your family. If there IS trust then there is NO reason to worry.. If
there is NO trust and problems already, then you are absolutly F.U.B.A.R.....
bahi{RD} 21:10:27 CST
This isn't about trust.. this is about a blatent case of .. in my opinion.. GS having been hacked and private conversations being read and made public..
period.. and this is about this very thing being an ongoing issue not a one time thing
bahi{RD} 21:11:50 CST
Master Orion.. facts about my work life became public.. facts that have no bearing here or anywhere else in any online venue
Deirdre 21:12:11 CST
Orion.......There isn't a "family" issue here. I have no clue where You got that. We are talking about someone hacking into personal conversations.
Whispers in GS being read, Friend. *chuckling*
Webmaster 21:12:42 CST
bahi
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{Kuurus's}_saphyre 21:12:48 CST
i think His point is if your rt knows what your up tothen a leaked whisper wouldnt make any difference therfore deflating the person tryin to cause harm
Orion 21:13:19 CST
-shrugs- As I said, it pisses me off as this has NO bearing on what a forum is here for.. So I am taking my leave. If there is a problem, see the
webmaster and move on. If it is THAT big a problem, then there are other issues here that perhaps do not pertain to the rest of us in GS.. So I wish
you all a good eve. Those that need me, know how to find me.
bahi{RD} 21:13:29 CST
not everyone here uses their systems for just personal stuff so maybe yes, this intrusion is a big bigger to me.. but think about it.. do you do your..
lets say.. banking online?? have you heard of online identity theft? tyhe point tonight was to bring into the open that somehow.. private conversations are getting out
bahi{RD} 21:14:35 CST
yes, i've read the TOS completely
Sandman_Bldr_Advisor 21:15:18 CST
Gary to toss the name out there no one seems to want to..
What rights did topaz have as a monitor?
bahi{RD} 21:16:16 CST
but.. this has been an ongoing issue.. and one that it seems has been cast aside, amid other claims, until tonight
i had another person not moments ago tell me they've experienced the same and when it was reported that were basically sluffed off.. i'm asking.. is
taking no action the means of addressing this issue? is this what clients are to expect?
Webmaster 21:17:35 CST
Sandman
topaz?
Good lord, she was only a monitor. She could boot people (Non-members only).
but that was what? over a year ago?
The Peek page hasn't been available to her in a long time.
Orion 21:18:34 CST
Well Sandman since you brought up the name, there is NO way to keep people that LIVE together and POSSIBLE have a network from SEEING what the others are doing at the same time online. A NETWORK acts like a mirror and if you do NOT want others seeing your personal conversations, I suggest the old fashioned way, TELEPHONE..
Deirdre 21:19:31 CST
Webmaster......I know for a fact that she read whispers. The person that she was living with at the time caught her. Laroona and I set her up with some false information in whispers which she passed on. Are You saying that You NEVER gave topaz the ability to read whispers in this site?
Orion 21:19:42 CST
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bahi{RD} 21:20:02 CST
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Orion 21:21:01 CST
-taps his damn monitor- HELLO people, have NONE of you ever been networked with ANOTHER PC in the same house.. ALL you have to do is access the other PC's drive and you can WATCH what the hell is going....
Webmaster 21:22:31 CST
deirde
I've given NO ONE the ability to read whispers - EVER.
Some privacy issues are more important to me than running a tight ship.
She once had a PUBLIC ROOM ONLY Peek page... Long since taken away when she REQUESTED I remove her as a monitor and Iconeer.
And BTW, I haven't heard from her in maybe 6 months
The_Skullsplitter 21:23:03 CST
So basically, a couple living together, would probably mean having access to both peoples information on their PC's, it is not hard to do with
networking, I can control or observe every move of the PC downstairs from this one.
bahi{RD} 21:23:56 CST
that would be the case IF they were currently networked Master.. and perhaps still yet IF He hadn't gone thru his system and cleaned it completely..
but.. THE point is this isn't the ONLY case of this.. this is but one among many
Orion 21:24:16 CST
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Deirdre 21:25:10 CST
Webmaster......So You are denying that topaz ever had the right to read whispers....AND that three years ago or so Kayla was lying to Me when She
told Me that both She AND topaz were given the ability to read whispers by You?
Orion 21:26:07 CST
THANK YOU JT!!!!! bahi, do you know much about networking hun?? I can read ANYONES words that I am networked with in my HOUSE.. NO matter WHERE they are, I just have to mirror their hard drive when they are online or watch what is being said and done there..
bahi{RD} 21:26:40 CST
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Deirdre 21:26:42 CST
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EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 21:27:06 CST
*ok then folks,it seems this issue will not be sorted out completely today so I would say that if any have any issues more with this I am sure that the
WebMaster will answer any emails he gets from you'se about it,as I look towards the Webmaster S,I call this forum to a close and wish everyone a
good day or night as the case my be*