Slave - how far is too far?
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:15:44 CST
Ok, I have a topic. I'd like to call the forum to order, regular rules in effect, please limit all side conversations to whispers and make sure
you have your name in the tagline to help those scribing.
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:18:55 CST
Flashing indie a wink as I bring up the first topic...
Our first topic has been addressed in a couple of different manners to me but I think this sums up the question best...
"How far is a slave allowed to verbally, or rather on the boards, correct a Master as to his following of procedures or standards before she is dealt
with by her Owner? Furthermore, if the slave persists in said behavior, and is privately punished by her Master, how long before her behavior is
intolerable by everyone and openly punished or killed as in the olden days here at Port Kar? or at least what I vaguely remember now that I am old."
telaise_{MDK} 19:20:57 CST
personally telaise feels a girl should never correct a Master.... on the boards.. or publicly in a room.... and depending on the issue... would
depend if she begged to whisper and mention something to Him...
Ramses 19:21:01 CST
Kyoto, if I may ... does that not get to the heart of larger question ... what exactly is the "mission" of GS? who are We? What TRULY are the
expected standards of behavior from everyone here?
kassi 19:22:09 CST 144.135.165.107
~*~offers soft words from the corner of the shadows~*~
A girl knows that the books have said that any Man may punish a slave, however in rp, most do not allow that, and fair enough..Men value their
slaves, perhaps even love them. But a slave should stay within her boundaries and be respectful...Always.
A slave is to strive to please her Master and the Men she serves. A slave is not stupid, she knows how far she can push the envelope...and shouldn't
hide behind her Master
Akfishman_ 19:23:52 CST
a slave is a slave
a Master is a Master and two shall never mistake one for the other..
seafora does not know her place as a slave.. she needs to learn this for
the betterment of all..
~Mariposa~ 19:25:34 CST
AKfishman, perhaps leave the conversation in general before we draw out specific illustrations to support or derail the point. Sometimes, when its too personal, we or at least me, forget my objectivity. I would never suggest that is you, simply one my own faults.
roni{Orion} 19:26:45 CST
roni's opinion only roni would never correct a Master publicly or on the boards if roni has issue with a Master she would take it to her Master and
speak to Him about it
Laroona 19:27:15 CST
since when has slaves been perfect?
since when have Free been perfect?
people need taking responsibility for their actions and THINK before they post or act
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:27:24 CST
Yes, let's not name names so we can keep this from looking like a flame war.
Akfishman_ 19:28:24 CST
explain what you mean Laroona..
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:28:30 CST
Agreed, no one is perfect... (Except me of course).
Ramses 19:28:57 CST
Laroona, while not disagreeing .... we all DO need to take responsibility .. after being online for a number of years and her now for a year ... I can
say with certainty that nobody will THINK before posting
~Mariposa~ 19:29:08 CST
I think about my own actions within the environment of the workplace. If I have an issue with an area director, a significant issue, I discuss it with
my own director, who then in turn either deals with the concern or advises me too confront the topic directly. But you simply follow the appropriate
chain of command.
Please tell me that isn't something learned with age.
Akfishman_ 19:29:09 CST
I apologize for the mention a slaves name in reference to a issue..
Laroona 19:29:20 CST
I thought I spoke plainly
people need to THINK before they act and post... that is my opinion
Akfishman_ 19:30:31 CST
you are referring to Laroona?
Laroona 19:32:03 CST
anyone in general
Ramses 19:33:09 CST
agrees with Laroona ...WE all do ... but few of us will SOOO how do we deal with that?
Akfishman_ 19:33:36 CST
including Yourself Laroona *smiling*? just wondering because things said are often hard to follow the real reason behind the words.. *shrug*
Laroona 19:34:33 CST
back to your question Captain
I believe it is a foolish slave who maintains actions and continues to post... and should be severely reprimanded as the boards are often the eyes of
GS to others
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:34:52 CST
Yes, how do we deal with those issues that arise where someone, a slave for instance, shows a total lack of concern for proper protocols and/or
established channels?
Is this person going to respect a punishment?
bahi{HoK} 19:35:26 CST
perhaps removing posting abilities for a set period of time?
kassi 19:35:35 CST
~*~offers her thoughts~*~
Perhaps a Mod should block the person from posting....until resolved
telaise_{MDK} 19:35:55 CST
is the person going to receive punishment at all if she's privately owned?? or her actions "justified" so she continues on with the next issue that
rubs her the wrong way?
bahi{HoK} 19:36:01 CST
and perhaps all their posts removed
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:36:08 CST
That's a possibility, bahi. I'm not sure we have that ability, perhaps Rollo knows.
Laroona 19:36:35 CST
I would like to see what many other sites do...
getting a tad off topic
and that is all posting and reading must register and log in.. that way there is some control over who registers
Akfishman_ 19:36:48 CST
I agree with Laroona.. I myself have been guilty of losing My temper on the boards and created havoc.. for that I apologise to All for.. but there is
a limit to what I will take..
Ramses 19:37:00 CST
Kyoto, then why would that person not simply be "killed" and permanently ignored or IP banned?
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:37:04 CST
Who here thinks a privately owned slave is basically untouchable?
~Mariposa~ 19:37:07 CST
being the remover of posts, that's a heady position.. regardless whether we do or not. It would need to be someone who is objective without being moved by emotions.
bahi{HoK} 19:37:22 CST
well.. even if thats weren't a technical option.. the council as a whole could make that decision.. no Master?
sen{HoK}-t 19:37:41 CST
Personally, sen thinks people should think, then think again, then think again and think one more time before they even post. Questions asked and
see if they can answer those questions.
Will this get a rise out of anyone?
Does any part of this seem wrong to post?
Other questions that might pop in your mind.
Barachowski 19:37:43 CST
I do, Kyoto!
Laroona 19:37:55 CST
I believe we all reach a limit of tolerance no matter what station in gor we are... or from whom we need not tolerate disrespect from anyone...
bahi{HoK} 19:38:38 CST
untouchable? nobody should have that level of carte blanc for their actions
{Ruilans_ariel} 19:38:52 CST
i don't feel untouchable. i never have. i hope that i never will feel that way.
Ramses 19:39:00 CST
private slaves, untouchable? .... no but there ARE different channels for punishment, which we also seem to have difficulty adhering to
Laroona 19:39:27 CST
I do not believe it Captain
telaise_{MDK} 19:39:42 CST
nobody should be untouchable... but telaise sees some who are private owned get away with things.... personally.. if telaise does something that a Free sees is wrong... she begs for at least correction.. and if serious enough the post...
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:39:50 CST
Yes, that is why the council exist, bahi, to adjudicate matters in as fair and impartial a manner as possible. That is why there is no single Ubar in our home.
Barachowski 19:40:05 CST
I DO believe a privatly owned slave is untouchable.
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:40:27 CST
Good point, sen and one that I have in the past been guilty of forgetting to do.
Rbyer 19:40:27 CST
Are masters ever held accountable for the actions of their slaves? Im just curious.
leda{GS} 19:40:34 CST
this one thinks a slave should be punishesd not killed but punished and leda learnt that lesson well !
Laroona 19:41:30 CST
sen exactly *S*
put brain into gear before speaking LOL
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:41:34 CST
Someone, I think it was kassie, brought up the point that in the books, slaves were subject to discipline from any free person.
Does anyone think this might be a viable option for GS?
Akfishman_ 19:41:47 CST
not I Kyoto.. and if My slaves every disrespect another Master? I will persoanlly whip the tar out of them.. PERIOD.. and then We will hash it out
later..
kassi 19:41:49 CST
Perhaps if a Man allows what is His to be disrespectful..in Another's eyes.. it should be taken to Him, and not the slave.
{Ruilans_ariel} 19:42:37 CST
*softly* i would hope that if i made an error that Whoever was around that was free would punish ariel for her misdeed.
bahi{HoK} 19:42:51 CST
i think it's probably a good idea.. but would begin a whole new war
Ramses 19:43:12 CST
it is certainly viable Kyoto, but totally ineffective if a privately help slave is not held to the same standards by her Master as the punisher held
her too ...
Laroona 19:43:19 CST
and Free Women are they not able to punish slave or are they so unimportant
kassi 19:43:34 CST
Some slaves have different ideas about what a slave really is. If kassi does wrong, she is punished..when she was Owned, it was brought to her Master's attention and she was publicly punished..mind you...kassi was/is rarely in trouble
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:43:44 CST
Yes, ariel, but to what extent? How far can a man go with another's property?
Grizzly 19:44:09 CST
FW are very Important,,,,without free Women,,,,all children would be born into slavery.
kassi 19:44:26 CST
If Anyone is allowed to punish any slave...well..its dangerous, because what One person sees as bad is not always "bad" in anothers eyes...
Ulrich 19:44:52 CST
Nay Kyoto. If My slave ever gets out of line, I should be the one to deal with my property.
I would know best how to get through to her, better than someone who does not know her.
telaise_{MDK} 19:44:54 CST
it would be a good thing... for a Free to be able to punish a slave.. if it didn't get taken out of hand... and whippings or such done for something
that could have been handled differently... but even in our own rules now.. it says a Free can kick.. or cuff one upside the head for their behavior.. and this one has seen very little of that actually happening.. maybe for fear of who's feathers it's going to ruffle for laying a hand on their slave..
Barachowski 19:46:01 CST
As far as I am concerned, if anyone anywhere punished one of my owned slaves without consulting me first, I would be livid no matter what she did.
{Ruilans_ariel} 19:46:28 CST
as long as it isn't death Master Kyoto. i would hope that all of the Masters of GS would be aware of what was appropriate and inappropriate punishment. i have faith in all of You.
Zoran 19:47:35 CST
reading to catch up
I agree Ulrich
I should be told of my lilone wrongs
I am the only one that punishes her
she is mine and mine alone
Akfishman_ 19:47:45 CST
I persoanlly find that acts done in a the rooms are generally addressed by Masters almost immediately.. what the problem seems to be is the BOARDS.. just what SHOULD a slave be allowed to say there?
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:47:48 CST
Well, I'll state it publically. I prefer not to have anyone whip my slaves. But they may be cuffed or kicked aside if they are out of line. They may
also be bound to the pole for me to deal with.
Laroona 19:48:25 CST
I would consider the current protocols are sufficient
if the offended party is not satisfied then let them duke it out among themselves in private
kassi 19:48:29 CST
That is up to her Master...if He doesn't like it..or Another doesn't like..then they should seek the Owner of the slave and discuss.
Zoran 19:49:12 CST
AK Fishman mine does not post anything with out me reading it first
{Ruilans_ariel} 19:49:22 CST
only what she would say to a Masters face, Master AK. if she is tough enough to accept the consequences of her words.
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:49:40 CST
Ok... and that leads me to ask this. Do you all consider the boards to be part of Gorean Shores? To be policed just as the Tavern and Piazza are?
Ulrich 19:50:08 CST
Kyoto that is exactly what the rules state if I recall correctly. Post a slave, and notify her master, and let Him deal with it.
{Ruilans_ariel} 19:50:14 CST
*softly* and what if it is a vendetta? and the Master doesn't care even tho the act by the slave is blatantly disrespectful. what then?
kassi 19:50:25 CST
~*~takes a deep breath~*~
Why can't some people grow up and perhaps ignore the words on the Boards. Keep it with those that are involved. Why allow the drama to affect you?
Kha 19:50:35 CST
yes Kyoto I do ~
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:50:39 CST
Well, I AM a company man, Ulrich.
Grinning at him.
bahi{HoK} 19:50:42 CST
if it were a singular action that wasn't a habit from a given slave.. then yes, up to her Master.. if it became a habitual thing.. or was something extreme ..then perhaps its time to take the slaves Master to task before the council
Zoran 19:50:53 CST
yes the boards as long as it is not in the rT section
I agree
leda{GS} 19:51:32 CST
Master Kyoto what do You mean policed like the Tavern and Piazza ?
Akfishman_ 19:51:35 CST
aye Zoran
a good idea I think.. *s
{Ruilans_ariel} 19:51:36 CST
i consider them to be more than a part of Gorean Shores Master Kyoto.. for more than just GS reads and has access to them. do You know that people from other sites come to read our boards and call them the "funny papers"?
bahi{HoK} 19:51:42 CST
the boards are GS .. publicized
kassi 19:52:02 CST
The Boards have posted everything that happens in GS that is important..so yes it is part of GS
{Ruilans_ariel} 19:52:18 CST
because we can't kassi. we just can't.
Akfishman_ 19:52:30 CST
I agree.. the boards are a important part of GS.. information is given and received on it..
Ramses 19:52:38 CST
I would consider the boards to be part of GS ... how the offending party should be dealt with should become part of our protocols ... the problem
now is confusion
Zoran 19:52:42 CST
I heard are borads call the pissing contest
ariel lol
Laroona 19:52:45 CST
They reflect GS to any who desire to read them Captain
and why air dirty laundry it still boils down to people putting brains into gear and thinking before they post
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:52:47 CST
I had no idea, ariel.
Looking about.
Do we want our boards to be called the "funny papers", people?
kassi 19:53:12 CST
~*~looks to ariel..almost sad~*~
Why not, is Gorean Shores, or those within, that immature?
telaise_{MDK} 19:53:48 CST
~nods in agreement with air on that~ many look at our boards that dont actually come here.... some whom telaise knows would like to... but have said they see all the stuff going on and dont want to be around it... to which she tries to put in that there is drama everywhere... 'L'.... but things do get out of hand...
leda{GS} 19:53:59 CST
oh ariel that's terrible!...yet this girl has heard that from poolies aswell !
Barachowski 19:54:10 CST
Kyoto, boards from every site are called all sorts of things by ignorant asses who just don't understand what is going on. Who cares what people
call them?
kassi 19:54:57 CST
Because, Master Barachowski..people then don't want to come to GS..and word spreads
{Ruilans_ariel} 19:54:58 CST
kassi, all boards in all places are the same. someone stirs shit and everyone reacts. i have no answer as to why. it's sort of like being attracted and yet horrified over a car accident. why does every other car on the road slow down just to look? who knows, but most people do.
Ramses 19:55:06 CST
kassi, the people here are no more immature than any other site the infrastructure here allows what happens to happen
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:55:14 CST
Well... I care, Barachowski.
Shrugging.
It's my home.
bahi{HoK} 19:55:29 CST
still thinks banning people for a given time frame would be a viable option.. at least for the boards
Barachowski 19:56:18 CST
kassi, if someone doesn't come to GS because of something they see on the boards, do we really want them around anyway?
Zoran 19:56:24 CST
well like i said we must remember are own honor it is the only thing that we have so why make a ass of your self on the borads
hell that is what the tavern is for
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:56:47 CST
And what of those that are already banned from GS... should they be allowed access to post on our boards?
kassi 19:56:55 CST
~*~shakes her head~*~
Then perhaps Men should deal with Men..not their slaves...speaking to a slave who is Owned...is asking for a mouthful on the Boards...a girl might
be speaking out of turn, but when she came to Gor...if there was a problem with a slave of the Home..it went to the Owner/Owners of the Home..if there was a problem with a slave Owned by a Man...that Man was spoken to..NOT His property
telaise_{MDK} 19:57:03 CST
bahi.. it wont. it will just delay the time frame before more is said... and in a slaves case.. if she's the offensive one.. and is privately owned.. and her Master doesn't see that she needs punishing for her words.... then it just keeps on..
{Ruilans_ariel} 19:57:07 CST
yeah, we sort of do Master Barachowski, because the boards are not necessarily an accurate reflection of what GS is all about. it would be
nice of them to be able to see the truth.
Laroona 19:57:21 CST
well said Zoran *S*
Barachowski 19:57:43 CST
It's my home, too, Kyoto, but boards are going to be called all sorts of derogatory names by all sorts of ignorant people. There is no way to
prevent it, so why get upset if someone you don't know, nor will never meet, calls the boards funny papers or anything else?
Xertog 19:57:45 CST
Shit getting stirred up on the message board has been a on going problem for years it is nothing new and is not unique to GS.
bahi{HoK} 19:57:49 CST
banned people? if their actions had been grave enough to warrant banning from GS.. why would they be allowed to post on the extension of GS?
Ramses 19:58:03 CST
banned means banned ... I imagine the boards as being within the confines of our city .. our tavern
kassi 19:58:12 CST
Yes we do Master, those that avoid GS..sometimes have a lot to offer..look at those who have left..many are wise and wonderful people...
shadow{Ulrich} 19:58:19 CST
shadow cares, its the girls Master's home but she finds it more of a concern that at times it feels slaves forget their place when they step to the boards..
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:58:23 CST
Ok. So lets bring this all together.
What do we see as the problem with respect and how can we correct it?
Ulrich 19:58:43 CST
I always think of the boards as a place for anouncements. Collarings, pledges, restrictions etc.
A forum to perhaps spark HEALTHY debate as well.
There is a pm function if someone has a beef with a specific person that should be used. Don't air it for the world to see.
Of course, that's just My opinion
Akfishman_ 19:58:49 CST
I wonder, should a Master just ignore a slave as she tumbles Him around on the boards like a fool? or defend Himself best He can?
Zoran 19:59:04 CST
how can you stop them but i have seen very few of the banned people post on the boards
Laroona 19:59:13 CST
Captain maybe GaryM be approached to see if he can set it up like other boards... people have to log in to read and to post... I believe it is a
simple programming to establish such a format *S*
Barachowski 19:59:16 CST
ariel, but if someone is going to pre-judge us based on the boards, they are going to come in here to ridicule and mock us anyway, so they will not
be attempting to see the "truth."
jean 19:59:18 CST
*speaking softly* if someone is truly interetsed in learning more about Gor they will look into more than just avenue of knowledge
kassi 19:59:56 CST
If a slave has spoken out of turn..ANYWHERE...her Master should be sought.. not the slave. Perhaps a Mod should lock the topic. Why seek a slave..who can do "nothing". The Man who Owns her..should be Man enough to deal with it
bahi{HoK} 19:59:58 CST
when the boards are used to extract revenge.. will that person take it private? don't think so
telaise_{MDK} 20:00:00 CST
*nods in agreement with Master Ulrich*
and if a slave feels certain rules are not being followed.. there is the Council email...whispers... and Forum and slave class where the issues can
be brought up...
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:00:01 CST
Well, that's a tough call, AK...
Akfishman_ 20:00:08 CST
if you are banned, you are banned.. that means from all of GS.. and the boards ARE GS property..
kassi 20:00:40 CST
The Boards can already be rigged that way. The Php Boards have that feature that only registered users can post
Zoran 20:00:49 CST
scratches my head may ask who is on the banned list lol
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:01:27 CST
I'm going to excuse myself for a bit. Xertog has agreed to take up running the forum, so once this topic is beaten to death, forward new ones to him.
I'll see you all shortly.
kassi 20:01:43 CST
ShadowHawk, sefa, Kayla..and constance *i think*
Zoran 20:02:07 CST
AK fishman
it goes back to the honor of her Master if he will not take care of his property maybe he must bare the punishment of the slave maybe die for it
Akfishman_ 20:02:13 CST
I have no trouble sending a girl to the post for her Master to deal with for a offense.. but when the Master shrugs it off as nay, it a slaves right to speak her mind over matters supposedly left to Masters? then what?
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:02:14 CST
Haplo also. The list is on the same boards as the pledged patrons.
leda{GS} 20:03:16 CST
that'a a point too Barachowski.who cares cause this girl too has looked at the board for drama and entertainment somewhat ...mostly to find out who's doing what to whom ...*she giggles* But she has also learnt alot about Gorean ways and quotes and Captain's phylosophies on life and Gor and such !... She can read though lines and has a ideas as to who is right and who is wrong ..and battle of the words ...it is entertaining ....should it change the girl does not know !.. just a girls opinion !...
Laroona 20:03:25 CST
the boards are designed to be set that way
also the Boards needs more than one moderator IMO
Ulrich 20:03:33 CST
Rollo has mentioned banning people from the boards, so I believe he already has some control
bahi{HoK} 20:04:20 CST
thinks the council should make the decision on any moderating .. and only
telaise_{MDK} 20:04:29 CST
the banned list
Haplo
Kovak
Torvask
Kayla
ShadowHawk
Jaeger
Anglic
Barachowski 20:05:22 CST
Jaeger!!!! Surely not Jaeger!!!! No way.. must be some mistake!!!
Xertog 20:05:28 CST
Banned Free are listed at the bottom of this page:
http://www.angelfire.com/vt/goreanshores/patrons.html
Banned slaves are listed on the botton of this page:
http://www.angelfire.com/vt/goreanshores/kajira.html
bahi{HoK} 20:05:36 CST
bahi would wonder though.. are the issues on the boards only an extension of growing issues in GS itself? just a manifestation of
Laroona 20:05:47 CST
there is only one moderator for the boards
there need to be more as many things are posted when people are offline
Barachowski 20:06:16 CST
*wishing I could get to the boards to see what has everybody all fired up*
leda{GS} 20:07:36 CST
Master Ulrich MAster Rollo has erased stuff from the board when they did
not name themselves or if they were banned !...
Taran 20:08:17 CST
from a third person observer, it seems all dance around the problem
Laroona 20:08:24 CST
Barachowski .,... link is named Corks under the chat box
Xertog 20:08:34 CST
Banned from GS equalling being banned from the boards too is up in the air at this time. But any disruptive person on the message board can be stopped by Rollo moderating the board.
Tanaya 20:08:45 CST
Laroona Non members don't have that, I sent him the link
Ulrich 20:09:11 CST
I agree Laroona.
At least 1 other moderator, perhaps in the opposite hemisphere. lol
telaise_{MDK} 20:09:13 CST
Mistress... tela doesn't think the corks link shows up for non members.... but she has told Master how to get to them.. *S*
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:11:53 CST
please.. forgive me if i am out of line here. but we do seem to be dancing around the issue. if a privately owned slave doesn't receive punishment of
some sort it's not going to fix the problem. and if her Master isn't going to deal with it then the problem just gets worse. or even worse.. condones it, then it's even worse yet.
leda{GS} 20:12:33 CST
Yes good point Master Ulrich ...*wink*
~Mariposa~ 20:12:38 CST
alright ariel, say that we agree with you,, then my next question would be,
~if said slave is repeatedly beyond boundaries, when is it the duty of her Owner's FW to come in, and either beat her or post to a pole for her throat
to be slit?
Taran 20:12:47 CST
close to the mark ariel
Laroona 20:12:59 CST
there are protocols in place
as for the boards... well there is none
Taran 20:17:00 CST
it is not My place to say, but opinions are like assholes; perhaps egos grow large assholes, if one was measuring maybe Council will address it....
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:14:43 CST
ari has no answers. only questions. but what happened this weekend was pretty much beyond the pale.
kassi 20:15:35 CST
Shouldn't the Council discuss both sides of what happened..In re to the "wet silks" and the slaves involved, and perhaps post something to settle it?
Penny 20:15:47 CST
*listening and trying to take all of this in*
From what I hear, if a slave is saying things she shouldn't, and her Master doesn't correct her, there really isn't much anyone can do, no?
So what to do?
Move on, ignore the bad behavior, which might be an attention seeking device? If no one will talk to a girl who is acting like that, perhaps she'd straighten up all on her own?
bahi{HoK} 20:16:41 CST
that whole circus over the wet silks was a personal agenda to seek revenge on a certain person.. the wet silks contest really never the real issue
Akfishman_ 20:16:45 CST
or perhaps do it again Penny.. something shall and will be done THIS time.. *s
Zoran 20:16:59 CST
like i have siad if a Master does not act well the Master needs to make him act that why we have a training yard lol
Akfishman_ 20:18:51 CST
Laroona, the girl made it public.. Her Master refused to stop the insolence so went to the point of disturbing all of GS.. why did not her Master just
handle the flappy mouth?
Ulrich 20:17:12 CST
To me, if my slave gets out of line with another Master or Mistress, I feel it reflects on my honor if I don't deal with her appropriately.
Laroona 20:17:22 CST
kassie which is what was said earlier that if there was issues then the Men handle it in private rather than air a heap of bosk dung for all to see and laugh at GS
~Mariposa~ 20:17:42 CST
Penny, truly I think you have hit the nail on the head. A cry for help from a desperate little girl who is lonely, hurt and seeking any sort of attention she can get. Passion doesn't seem to get what she wants, coy or even blatant flirtation, but raising the ire of all those around, yes, it is a cry for help.
Penny 20:17:57 CST
I think that if people worried less about what everyone else was doing, and focused on having as much wild and crazy fun as they can possibly muster
themselves, people in general would be much happier. *nods nods*
Xertog 20:18:40 CST
If anyone has a new topic send me a whisper.
telaise_{MDK} 20:19:33 CST
with all due respect Mistress Penny.. it was wild crazy fun that started it all.. *sighs*
kassi 20:20:03 CST
grr..because Master Forest does not SEE a problem with what HIS slave said.If he did..He would have dealt with it, no??
Zoran 20:20:33 CST
like I said take it out side if words do not solve
Laroona 20:20:44 CST
Akfishmn that is not for me to answer is it?
neverthess I will publicly post any insolent slave within the rooms to me.
bahi{HoK} 20:20:45 CST
ok.. can bahi take this a different direction for a minute please? different but still the same issue point
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:20:53 CST
*dryly* so who is going to go after and try and kill a Captain and the Slave Master of GS?
sorry, i don't think that is even an option.
kassi 20:21:30 CST
Perhaps Council needs to deal with this
Akfishman_ 20:21:33 CST
and when ALL others do kassi? should something not be done.. or just ignore it and wait for it to happen again? I say nay, I personally will not in
this particular issue.. look at as you may..
Ulrich 20:22:05 CST
Exactly Zoran.
If you think My slave did wrong, and I disagree with your opinion, then try to kick my ass. *L* *nod*
bahi{HoK} 20:22:44 CST
being new i've noticed something.. there are people that live in the days of old of GS.. and whenever something happens that isn't near a repeat
performance.. all hell breaks loose.. any 'fun' that happens that isn't standard rota becomes a circus like this last one did
Zoran 20:22:45 CST
I was talking in general if it were my honor and I was being blasted
well I die trying to defend my honor
is that not how the world work shrugs and sit back
Xertog 20:23:02 CST
Akfishman it is an issue you should take up with EF.
Penny 20:23:56 CST
Well, if a man can't have wild and crazy fun in a world revolving around men, what's the point?
Much ado about nothing... move along, ignore the girl if she's not pleasing and can't be corrected, and she'll come around. There's nothing worse than
being ignored.
kassi 20:24:38 CST
This whole.."debate" isn't for everyone to talk about..like we have for the past hour and 20 minutes..Geesh..it isn't up to us..its up to Master
Forest and the Council
Taran 20:24:40 CST
but not all is fair in love and war. depends whose ass is due for kicking, no?
Ulrich 20:25:19 CST
It seems to be getting specific and personal.
Shouldn't this be a "general" discussion, speaking of principle with no specific cases?
bahi{HoK} 20:25:39 CST
that'd work except people won't ignore.. maybe the ones that are upset at the action.. but there is always those that will molly coddle after
Zoran 20:25:46 CST
I never siad it was fair
kassi 20:25:52 CST
Master Ulrich...this was never a specific topic..it was aimed at this 'issue'.
Penny 20:26:04 CST
bahi, having been around for years, it's tempting to say "I wish things were like they used to be", but essentially, one can't go home again, so to speak. Things change, people change, and usually, growth and change happen to be good things.
*cheerful smiles*
So why people bemoan the loss of days of yore, is sort of beyond me.
Akfishman_ 20:26:19 CST
Zoran.. I intend to do just that.. This has gone to far..
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:26:26 CST
i don't think so Master Ulrich. there comes a point when naming names should be done. call a spade a spade. again, my opinion. get specific, deal with it, move on.
Zoran 20:26:36 CST
Ulrich that what I was doing lol
Penny 20:27:33 CST
I agree, Ulrich, it isn't fair to point fingers, especially if the people being discussed aren't present. That doesn't leave much opportunity for defense, and it's easy for others to talk trash against an invisible foe.
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:28:27 CST
and yet not addressing the specific issue is like pretending the emperor has no clothes when He is clearly naked.
Laroona 20:29:14 CST
I detest the Old and New... this is Gor and the guildines are there for all
Barachowski 20:29:36 CST
*back from the boards*
Great. It looks to me like things were said that maybe shouldnt have been... people overreated... now there are people no longer coming to GS. Great.
Ulrich 20:29:52 CST
ari if names are to be called, they should be present to defend themselves.
I would think the forum is here to set general guidelines, perhaps how similar issues should be handled, to prevent so much turmoil. These discussions are archived, and will be public long after the incident that sparked the conversation has been settled.
Who knows, in a hand or two, the ones that are upset with each other, may be best friends.
~Mariposa~ 20:31:05 CST
Then do I hear a consensus, in that, this topic is not closed, but simply tabled until the gentleman eluded to is present? ... and move on?
Barachowski 20:31:42 CST
Yeah, but in the old days, there was no internet, so all of Gor was in Morse Code on telegraph lines. Man, did that suck! All those dots and
dashes..
Zoran 20:32:50 CST
old new who CARES
THIS is a site for RP
hell I not old and I not new
I am a pledge of this site and that is what we all are or slave
remember your oath
are home
it is not a earthen trailer park
Xertog 20:32:51 CST
That topic is closed for this evenings forum Mariposa
~Mariposa~ 20:33:17 CST
that's what I hoped Xertog, but the class was running amuck.
~Mariposa~ 20:38:42 CST
I must apologize to Xertog, I felt all of us, especially myself, were being just the naughtiest bunch of students, and not following the teacher with
the ruler, who said move on to a new topic. But ultimately, it is my fault for not reading more carefully.. again my apologies.
Goreans Reneging on word
Xertog 20:28:43 CST
I think this topic has been beaten to death..
New topic : When a gorean free reneges on their word given to another gorean how is this viewed?
Zoran 20:29:19 CST
dishonor
bahi{HoK} 20:29:55 CST
depends on the circumstances
Laroona 20:33:26 CST
IMO shows lack of honour, credibity and rises to distrust
Goreans are proud of their honour and to me reneging show lack of self pride
Ulrich 20:33:54 CST
A man's word is his honor.
If he goes back on his word he gives up his honor
Zoran 20:34:57 CST
my word is all that I am
rt call be well all
bahi{HoK} 20:35:33 CST
bahi still thinks it depends on the circumstances.. person XXX may say they are going to do one thing.. but .. and more so when their are others
that would effect their being able to keep their word.. time may change their ability to do XXX
Barachowski 20:35:41 CST
If a Gorean renigs on His/Her word, He/She is lower than a wart on an urt's tongue!
bahi{HoK} 20:38:53 CST
and bahi can use herself as an example.. since she;s here and can't really get mad at herself .. and is fair bahi thinks..... Master Kyoto originally
took bahi in under his protection collar.. the intent was for bahi to eventually go into a GS collar.. at that time.. after bahi watched.. and
remembering at that point it was still in the end.. her choice.. and she'd decided that wasn't a route she was going to go.. then his option to keep
his word was altered.. did that reflect on his honor? impossible it would have
Laroona 20:39:13 CST
Barachowski that is low
bahi I would not consider that a possibility if one gave me their word I would expect them to keep it ..or at least approach me first and discuss
the reasons...
bahi{HoK} 20:42:31 CST
so if a person is prevented from doing as they had originally thought the would be able to do.. their an urt?
Barachowski 20:44:14 CST
bahi, I believe the key word in your tale is "intent." I didn't read anywhere in there that you or He gave a Word of Honor, and left you the
choice. So, no, he is not an urt!
bahi{HoK} 20:45:32 CST
a person may say they are going to do XXX though Master.. then circunstances change.. or their ability to follow thru changes.. am asking..would that slight their honor?
Xertog 20:45:58 CST
I quick reminder:
At last weeks forum it was discussed and decided that we would have a Festival the weekend of June 2 - 4. The details of it remain undecided.
If you want input into the planning of the festival on Wednesday April 26th, 7:30 PM GS room time (Central time in the US) in the Forum room we'll have a open discussion. All are welcome.
~Mariposa~ 20:46:20 CST
oh bahi.. I can't go w/o saying,
what if they only do xx
and not xxx
does that change the issue?
~teasing~
Barachowski 20:47:07 CST
bahi, if you vowed to do XXX, and gave your word you would do it, then, yes, it would slight your honor if you didn't. But, if you were to say something like "I plan on XXX," and things don't go the way you planned, then it is not. That is why you should be very very careful before giving your word.
Ulrich 20:48:16 CST
bahi I am sure all of the circumstances would be considered in such a case.
I think the question was more along the lines of a bait and switch tactic of not keeping ones word.
If the word is given assuming certain circumstances, and those assumptions later turn out to be incorrect, then it's not really going back on ones word
is it?
Barachowski 20:50:18 CST
Exactly, Ulrich! Just like if a word is assumed to be given, but not given, only assumed to be, then when the word is not kept it is the assumer, not
the assummee who is in the wrong.
bahi{HoK} 20:51:24 CST
bahi doesn't think so Master .. and that was her point.. it just seemed a broad sweeping generality as it was first addressed
Laroona 20:56:14 CST
Xertog you mentioned the Festival
have you any ideas yet on what events or are you waiting till Wed.. Thurs for some folks
Barachowski 20:56:46 CST
We oughta have a tarn race...
Barachowski 20:57:49 CST
....and a paga drinking contest...
Barachowski 20:58:25 CST
... and a contest to see which slave can juggle the most kalana botas without spilling any...
Xertog 20:58:53 CST
Laroona at the last festival the oar dance was a great success and the girls dancing and the judging format for that work well too. Those things
I'd like to do again and build off them
Barachowski 20:58:56 CST
... and we could play "musical furs..."
Kha 21:02:27 CST
and how about ~slave wrestling ~ in some sort of hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm sticky stuff ~ could draw lots on what slave against who
Xertog 21:01:59 CST
We just need to figure out how to stop Sandman from winning the Oar dance again. .. LOL
Ulrich 21:02:55 CST
Xertog we could throw daggers at his feet.
Let him dance and dodge sharp objects. lol
Akfishman_ 21:04:43 CST
I would hope space is made for the FM to spar.. as no festival on Gor would not have them...
Kha 21:06:41 CST
laughing Xertog ..if I can limber up these old joints ...and knock the rust of the spoons I will give it a go ~ might even haul My Old Partner in crime
in over there ~ lol~
Xertog 21:07:20 CST
I'm sure a sparring contest will be schedules but the past two festivals they have not been well attended.
Xertog 21:09:21 CST
That concludes tonights forum. Thank you all for coming.