Xertog 19:18:11 pm CDT
Lets get the forum started. Regular rules apply. Keep the greetings, role play and small talk to whispers. Add you name in ?My settings? if you have yet to do so. I can still use a Scribe.
Xertog 19:21:24 pm CDT
A couple of quick announcements first:
Slave class Thursday August 9th 8:00PM GS time (Central US time)
shadow will be leading class the topic will be slave positions.
This Tuesday at the book discussion we will be finishing up Outlaw of Gor. The following Tuesday we will start Priest Kings of Gor.
Also I will not be at next week?s forum.
Palms Up/Down
Xertog 19:32:37 pm CDT
First topic:
JT brought this up amongst the other Council members a while back. As Slave Master I brought the subject up to the GS trainers. Now I?d like to toss it out here at the forum.
It has to do with when slaves kneel if do they keep their palms up or down.
The way it has been in GS and every place else I know of online white silk and girls that are restricted keep their palms down. Yellow and red silk keep their palms up. I think some times we need take a look at things and ask why they are the way they are and where they came from.
Laroona 19:37:06 pm CDT
nadu: gorean position of the pleasure slave and usually the first slave position taught to a new girl. A kneeling slave is directed to straighten her back and sit on her heels, lifting her head, and placing her hands, palms down, on her thighs. There are a couple of examples, which suggest a variation of uplifted palms, though this appears to be an exception to the basic position. Book 3: Priest-Kings of Gor, page 234
Book 10: Tribesmen of Gor, page 53
Book 13: Explorers of Gor, page 77, 81 and page 166
Book 17: Savages of Gor, page 155
Book 25: Magicians of Gor, page 320
Cavy 19:37:22 pm CDT
well its an open sign on if they are sexually active for starters...saves confusion and disappointment
Laroona 19:38:31 pm CDT
and the need of a slave girl is denoted by this:
"Position!," I snapped.
Swiftly she knelt again, as she had been commanded earlier.
You obey with the alacrity of a slave girl," I observed. If I do not," she said, "I could be punished as one, could I not?" "Yes," I said, "and would be." I walked about her, examining her, She kept her back very straight, and her head up. I was then again before her. I noted that the palm of her hands, so soft, so vulnerable, had turned on her thighs, so that they faced up. Among slave girls this is a common ways of signaling need, helplessness, a desire to please.
Vagabonds of Gor...pg.209
Xertog 19:38:43 pm CDT For a reference I?ll post quotes I have from the books on the subject.
If anybody has others please feel free to post them.
In the first two quotes the girl turns her palms up. The rest are palms down.
"Position!," I snapped.
Swiftly she knelt again, as she had been commanded earlier.
You obey with the alacrity of a slave girl," I observed. If I do not," she said, "I could be punished as one, could I not?" "Yes," I said, "and would be." I walked about her, examining her, She kept her back very straight, and her head up. I was then again before her. I noted that the palm of her hands, so soft, so vulnerable, had turned on her thighs, so that they faced up. Among slave girls this is a common ways of signaling need, helplessness, a desire to please.
Vagabonds of Gor...pg.209
She knelt in the position of the Pleasure Slave but her hands on her thighs had unconsciously, pleadingly, turned their palms to me, and she no longer knelt quite back on her heels. It was as though she begged to be allowed to lift and open her arms and rise and come to my arms. But as I looked upon her sternly she turned her palms again to her thighs, knelt back on her heels and dropped her head, holding her eyes as if by force of will fixed on the plastic beneath my sandals.
"Priest Kings of Gor" (pages 234-235)
'Assume the posture of female submission,' I told her. She did so, kneeling back on her heels, her arms extended, wrists crossed, her head between them, down. She was weeping.
Tribesmen of Gor p 359
"Nadu!" he snapped.
She swiftly turned, facing him, and dropped to her knees. She knelt back on her heels, her back straight, her hands on her thighs, her head up, her knees wide. It was the position of the pleasure slave.
"Explorers of Gor" (page 77)
Seeing my eyes upon her she then knelt on the surface of the couch, kneeling back on her heels, spreading her knees, straightening her back, lifting her head, and putting her hands on her thighs. It is a common kneeling position for a female slave.
Savages of Gor...pg.9-10
"Come now, my pretty slaves," said Ginger, "kneel straight. Back straight, heads up. Back on your heels there! Spread those pretty knees. Yes, that is the way men like it. Put your hands, palms down, on your thighs. Good. good. Excellent!," The girls now knelt in the coffle as pleasure slaves."
Savages of Gor...pg.155
"the position of the Pleasure Slave, incidentally, differs from the position of both the free woman and the Tower Slave. The hands of the Pleasure Slave normally rest on her thighs but, in some cities, for example, Thentis, I believe, they are crossed behind her. More significantly, for the free woman's hands may also rest on her thighs, there is a difference in the placement of the knees.
...I knelt before the mirror. Boldly I assumed slave position. I threw my knees apart. I rested my hands upon my thighs....'
Slave Girl of Gor; page 79
"kneel," I told her. She knelt.
"Straighten your body slave," I told her.
Frightened, Miss Blake-Allen straightened her back, and lifted her head. She knelt back on her heels, knees wide, hands on her thighs. It was the position of the Pleasure Slave. I had taught her the position. It is one of the first things a good-looking woman, fallen slave, is taught on Gor.
Tribesmen of Gor, page 53
shadow{Ulrich}~t 19:42:11 pm CDT
shadow believes that a slave shouldn't put her palms up just because she is kneeling in nadu.. palms have deeper significance.. it leaves a girl totally open to the Master she is kneeling before.. submitting all to Him.. and sorry, a girl just wouldn't do that with just any Master.. there is also a misconception that it is the palms that signal a girl is for sexual use but shadow thinks it is her thighs that tell that a girl in nadu with palms down is still for use.. but this is just a girl's thoughts.. *s*
Laroona 19:42:28 pm CDT
even the books there is confusion .... but IMO a slave not for use should indicate palms down in her posts a slave available for use should indicate palms up in her posts
Xertog 19:43:33 pm CDT
JT isn't here but I'll share what he said on this: Such a vulnerable state of mind is a Natural progression, one that CANNOT be trained, by a slave who feels ultimately in the power of the one she kneels before. It is an expression to say "Here I am Master, a true slave before a true Master." for a slave to be trained that way and to do that before every Man takes away that meaning, that whole psychological edge - it is a symbolization that works, but only works when truly performed, for the right reasons, else it is merely another example of a Stepford slave. Gorean slaves were taught to kneel with their palms down, they only turned in psychological situations, or in desperate please for attention before those they craved to serve.
Laroona 19:45:05 pm CDT
To me as I see it.... a slave should first obey the wishes of her Owner if he restricts her then she should be always palms down if not restricted be palms up that is my opinion and hopefully helps others understand a FW always has her palms town and is in what is called the Tower position the same as snau with palms down....
Laroona 19:46:03 pm CDT
snaau should be nadu.....
Xertog 19:46:07 pm CDT
What JT and what shadow have expressed is that it has a deeper meaning then we give it. This is why I tell all girls to kneel with their palms downward.
Xertog 19:47:52 pm CDT
A FW always has her palms down, unless she is looking for some coin from her man.. lol
shadow{Ulrich}~t 19:47:55 pm CDT
if a slave is restricted shadow believes their thighs should be closed and a girl swears that is wrote on the GS website somewhere.. ?
Laroona 19:48:31 pm CDT
I think what he is saying is that all slaves should be submissive before a free .... and that the free has total control over a slave... but does it apply to a pleasure slave?
Laroona 19:50:15 pm CDT
Xertog even then it does not work LOL
Ulrich 19:50:17 pm CDT
Yes many of us have looked at it in the manner it is taught within the walls of GS. But giving it deeper thought, and research, it does hold a more significant meaning. It is the kneel not the palms that signals that a girl is available for sexual use. The palms in its truest sense, signify the place the girl is in her slavery, or her submission to a Master.
Xertog 19:50:38 pm CDT
LOL
Laroona 19:55:29 pm CDT
Xertog are you trying to get the slaves of GS more book wise and use the appropriate positions for their status? and thus have them trained that way?
The SKULLSPLITTER 19:57:06 pm CDT
It is important we make it more like the books themselves.
Laroona 19:57:59 pm CDT
Thorfinn I agree *S*
Ulrich 19:58:37 pm CDT
We always say we want to be true to the books, so yes we need to start moving some things closer in that direction.
Xertog 19:59:38 pm CDT
Yes Laroona. Along those lines I'd like to dump the word 'servery' too. It's not in any of the 26 books. I think it is a European term
Laroona 20:00:22 pm CDT
when I have free time I am happy to go over the manual and look at it and send to council what needs altering to be work wise and let them decide
carrieann {Cavy} 20:00:28 pm CDT
may this girl say.....as being new to the teaching of Gor......it can be confusing reading the quotes and entering Gor itself
Xertog 20:01:56 pm CDT
It certainly can be carrieann.
Laroona 20:02:11 pm CDT
Xertog if I recall it is a kitchen in the books *S*
Laroona 20:03:40 pm CDT
entering gor at any time to anyone at first can be confusing LOL
carrieann {Cavy} 20:04:08 pm CDT
nods very true Mistress Laroona
Ulrich 20:04:37 pm CDT
There is a lot of information carrieann. A lot to take in and absorb. Everyone has their own interpretation of what they read. It just takes time and effort.
Xertog 20:05:31 pm CDT
Laroona I am not sure in how many place on the pages it is mentioned. If the Council changes it, it would need updating which I think should include an explanation of it.
carrieann {Cavy} 20:06:01 pm CDT
Master Ulrich..... this girl reads alot.........and there can be a lot of conflicting things........sighs
Laroona 20:07:28 pm CDT
Xertog I will look over each page and then mail council.... after all it is what us poor underpaid scribes are supposed to do LOL
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:08:51 pm CDT
Quotes themselves are unreliable, the ONLY reason it conflicts is because it is a journey from one mans point of view, from book one, throughout the series. As a Man goes on a journey, from a Modern Society, to a Gorean one, his perception of life, and such, changes. He grows. He comes from a world where slavery is inhuman, and he believes such in Tarnsman of Gor, yet, as he grows more and more Gorean, his perceptions change in later life. There is no substitute to reading the books, often online quotes only offer partial information. There may be a passage on a page before, or a page after the quote which holds more meaning to understanding the actual quote you are reading. Tarnsman of Gor is available anywhere and offers a really good crash course in the basics of Gorean ethics.
Ulrich 20:10:12 pm CDT
One thing to remember carrieanne, is quotes standing on their own, may not always interpret the same as they would in context. A person can take a quote and spin it how they wish, so it's best to keep digging, ask questions.. whatever it takes if you are confused about something.
Laroona 20:12:21 pm CDT
Thorfinn what I am understanding from you is what you are saying an isolated quote could be mistaken and taken as gospel by one and all... yet it may not be so I hope I am not conflicting with you
Ulrich 20:18:16 pm CDT
Laroona I think in addition to that JT is talking about how his attitude changed between the time of the first book and the last
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:20:30 pm CDT
Pretty much, even our own perceptions change through experience online.
Laroona 20:20:38 pm CDT
Ulrich yes it does as time progresses *S*
shadow{Ulrich}~t 20:21:19 pm CDT
also if one is learning through just reading quotes all websites you find quotes on are not reliable and might add their own twist.. shadow believes or the quote taken might fall in the book and when removed from the passage it sits in bring on a whole different meaning than what Norman intended
carrieann {Cavy} 20:21:36 pm CDT
maybe this girl is wrong.......but the only way is the true teaching way and that is through the books
Laroona 20:21:37 pm CDT
Thorfinn ohh I cannot disagree there the longer I have been in gor online the more I learn and often my views have changed *S*
Xertog 20:22:32 pm CDT
Also the quotes need to be taken in the context of the story and where on Gor the story is taking place.
Laroona 20:23:00 pm CDT
carrieann to a degree but also GS has some rules and protocols in place that slaves and even Free should read IMO *S*
Laroona 20:24:56 pm CDT
well said shadow
Xertog 20:27:21 pm CDT
I think that subject has run its course.. Any new topic suggestions?
New Pledges collaring slaves
Xertog 20:32:25 pm CDT
New Topic:
GS restricts the selling of GS girls to new pledges for 60 days. What about extending that to any collaring for the same reason the above rule was put in place?
Zoran20:33:29 pm CDT
LOl that is a lil over the line if a Master goes out and fins a slave on his own no man has any authority too tell him he can not have her
Ulrich 20:34:31 pm CDT
Although I like the thought behind that Xertog, it could be difficult to enforce. Zora 20:34:36 pm CDT
I am sure you have less pledge to this sight if that were a rule
Laroona 20:35:24 pm CDT
I would personally like to see that this extends to new patrons collaring any girl (who maybe new and even a free woman) to 60 days or if they do they either give a GS O collar or collar to GS.
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:35:28 pm CDT
I do believe newcomers to Gor should not be allowed to collar slaves for a time period. I can even remember My own first experience, which was rather unpleasant. ~Chuckles~ People need to understand a bit about Gor and how that affects the relationship between Master and slave. I've seen a few first time collars going on with new people and in all honesty they just go and fuck them up. If someone wants to come to Gor to simply get a slave in his collar without bothering to find out facts then they should not even be allowed to pledge. 60 days might be too much though.
Xertog 20:37:54 pm CDT
Zoran you might feel differently if you had to sort out the messes.. lol
Laroona 20:37:58 pm CDT
How often do we see a newcomer collar in an effort to show they are a Master yet are not a Master within...
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:38:28 pm CDT
On the contrary Zoran, it eliminates some of the idiots from joining, and also gives those new to Gor a view that GS takes things seriously and will encourage and help those new to becoming more understanding. Really, do we want members who are only interested in coming, pledging, then collaring and fucking as many slaves as they can on the first day? Experienced people who come to GS, I have no problem with when they collar, they at least know the level of responsibility involved. It would also make experienced people more comfortable, I feel, if they knew that we are not full of idiots and thus increase the opportunity of interaction. Zoran 20:38:31 pm CDT
shakes head so if a new person does not pledge they can collar but if they do pledge they can not that make no sense to me
Laroona 20:38:33 pm CDT
Thorfinn maybe 30 days?
Cavy 20:39:05 pm CDT
a slave doesnt make the Master
Ulrich 20:39:53 pm CDT
It's one thing if it's a newcomer to Gor, and another if it's just a newcomer to GS. Someone could come from another home and bring a girl with him. But say, a newcomer to Gor collars a slave before we feel they are ready, what do we do? Just not recognize the collar? We could advise them not to, until they are ready, but as Zoran said, if we make it a rule, many will just travel on somewhere else.
Laroona 20:40:36 pm CDT
Cavy what I was trying to say IMO a gorean male and even a FW needs to know something more than ordering a drink a furring and collaring
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:41:14 pm CDT
How many unpledged do you see, coming to GS with the purpose of collaring an unknown girl? If it does become an issue, then we could always add that only GS members can collar in GS, which is what many sites do actually, but then that would also take away the feeling that anything goes, because this is Gor, and any Man can collar any slave. You are right though, that is the only aspect of balance that could be questioned.
Ulrich 20:41:43 pm CDT
Indeed Laroona they do. As I said, I agree with the thoughts behind it, but it could be difficult to manage.
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:41:44 pm CDT
As I said, newcoming to Gor, not newcomer to GS...
Laroona 20:41:45 pm CDT
oops furring FW heeeeeeeeeeeee not on LOL
Cavy 20:41:47 pm CDT
if it did Im best Master in gor..lol....and Im far from that...... Zoran 20:42:41 pm CDT
I see what your say JT and you to Xertog and if this was a perfect world yes it be good but it is not I know some her try to fur all the time hell we have Masters that have been here for years that are horndogs I feel it is a rule that would not go well to help are home grow there will be idiots but from the garbage we find the ones that make are home what it is
luscious{Marie} 20:43:32 pm CDT
should there be a time period when a NEW slave comes here.. like when i first came... i didnt know any better, and when asked if i wanted collared i just assumed it was best to be collared soon as possible.. but it was awful, it didnt work out, should slaves have a waiting period until they are collared .. say, after they are trained for so many weeks... ???
Xertog 20:44:35 pm CDT
Part of my concern about the new collar happy new comer is that they don't end up staying long. I don't think they have good track record for staying and we end up losing them before they get a chance to learn. They also burn out the girls who end up not staying long either.
Cavy 20:44:39 pm CDT
maybe the kolar should be witnessed by Others and if not done correctly not be recognized
Laroona 20:44:49 pm CDT
lusious there is what the O collar is about also why I encourage a GS collar before a personal one that way slaves and free get to know if they are good for each other *S*
Xertog 20:44:35 pm CDT
Part of my concern about the new collar happy new comer is that they don't end up staying long. I don't think they have good track record for staying and we end up losing them before they get a chance to learn. They also burn out the girls who end up not staying long either.
Cavy 20:44:39 pm CDT
maybe the kolar should be witnessed by Others and if not done correctly not be recognized
Laroona 20:44:49 pm CDT
lusious that is what the O collar is about also why I encourage a GS collar before a personal one that way slaves and free get to know if they are good for each other *S*
Laroona 20:46:05 pm CDT
then maybe Cavy as you say witnessed and a C&P sent to Council to rule on?
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:46:20 pm CDT
We have more members to a room than most places which offer a wider variety of roleplay rooms. I do not feel our membership is an issue, it is just activity, because we are full of more busy people. Just from a personal point of view, I think that if someone is going to go join another site because he can't get his hole on the first day, then he is not worth having in the home anyway. Do you take time in judging someone worthy of your collar? Or do you just go out right there and take her and hope it works out?
Karima 20:46:45 pm CDT
I am uneducated on this issue, so I will speak freely. I would assume a white silk slave shouldn't be collared until she has been "upgraded" to a yellow silk. For her purpose is to train and learn about the ways of Gor, and not to please a Master. Is this how it happens?
Ulrich 20:46:58 pm CDT
luscious, IMHO, the GS collar could very well serve that purpose. If a girl is new to Gor, she is protected by the council, trained by the SlaveMaster and the GS trainers. When I came here, there was no ~o~ collar. Either a girl took a GS collar or she remained a free neck. I believe our retention rate was much higher in those days.
Laroona 20:48:02 pm CDT
in GS Karima yes that is usually the way *S*
luscious{Marie} 20:48:06 pm CDT
the o collar is good, but, you can only wear the O collar for so long.. what if the slave isnt able to be here as much because of r/t committments, maybe time differences, and such.. the O collar may not be long enough for her to truly know what its all about... there are times that i cannot be here as much as i would like because .. well, because i have two teenage daughters at home that hog the computers..*S* but, i still enjoy coming and roleplaying when i can, and when there are people here.. but i know that i do not know as much as i should , that is why im still white silks..
Ulrich 20:48:33 pm CDT
Point taken JT
Xertog 20:48:38 pm CDT
Karima GS slaves are not sold normally till they reach yellow. Zoran 20:49:08 pm CDT
but what I am saying JT to make the assumption that a newcomer can't decide well I think that is bad statment this is a Master world good or bad it is not the world of a council hell if I want that I will stay in rt friend
Ulrich 20:49:20 pm CDT
Karima that is if the girl wears a GS collar
Laroona 20:49:55 pm CDT
luscious then that is where a GS collar would be best suited heee as many can see I am more for collaring to GS first then a personal collar
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:50:19 pm CDT
In the end it is only to help those new to Gor to be given a chance to learn before they undertake responsibility. You know yourself when speaking to someone what they know and what they don't know. Maybe we could ask for a Member opinion on this since it is somewhat split here.
Cavy 20:50:52 pm CDT
Karima its right as I understand but carrie white silks and wears My kolar but I brought her here so it different........ Laroona what pisses Me off is kolaring someone without knowing how...if they want to kolar that badly.....for god sake if nothing else learn that
Laroona 20:51:40 pm CDT
I think if I recall there is a section on caring for a slave on the website .. I maybe wrong on that as I am going from memory
luscious{Marie} 20:51:42 pm CDT
thank You Master Ulrich, and Mistress Laroona..
Xertog 20:51:55 pm CDT
JT it could be made a topic for the board for others to add their thoughts. Zoran 20:53:02 pm CDT
I agree with CAvy on that subject
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:53:05 pm CDT
I am not saying they cannot decide well, all I am saying, is give us people with a genuine interest in Gor, not an interest in coming, collaring, then pissing of which a few people have done in the past. Anyway, as I said, it is an option to help new people, if noone wants it, then no problem, but I will flat out refuse to help someone who is clearly an idiot, has no interest in Gor other than getting himself an easy lay.
Ulrich 20:53:21 pm CDT
Personally, I don't want a girl wearing my collar that I don't know very well. And as JT said, if somebody that knows nothing of Gor, collars every free neck that stumbles into the Tavern, those girls may never come back, where if they were brought in slowly, at their own pace, they could very well find their true slave heart.
Ulrich 20:53:54 pm CDT
There is Laroona. The care and feeding of slaves.
{KUURUS}'silks-RESTRICTED 20:53:55 pm CDT
IMO ...a kolar is betwix 2 people.....not GS a Master n slave making it 3..... silks happy....with that be well All
Laroona 20:54:02 pm CDT
Zoran and Cavy that is what I was trying to say... a necomer to GS thinks owning a slave makes him a Master...often it does not one who has come and knows gor is differernt IMO
Laroona 20:55:26 pm CDT
thanks Ulrich *S* Zoran 20:55:32 pm CDT
Jt I just think to make it a rule would hurt haveing good people from new sites but I do agree newby collar to quick I wait 6 months till I collared someone
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:56:31 pm CDT
Zoran, at least you understood the responsability of it which gives you a lot of credit. I even think 2 weeks might make a difference, gives them some time to let their hormones settle a bit.
Laroona 20:56:42 pm CDT
OK silks as long as you are happy
shadow{Ulrich}~t 20:57:12 pm CDT
actually in the books, as shadow recalls, the number was far greater of Free that didn't own slaves to that who did.. ?
Xertog 20:57:16 pm CDT
Zoran what is being suggested in people new to Gor not people new to GS. There is a difference.
The SKULLSPLITTER 20:58:31 pm CDT
Aye shadow, the percentage of slaves on Gor is actually small. Some men simply could not afford them. We have our versions of slums, not everyone can have that luxury. That is why there are so many lower castes than high. Zoran 20:59:21 pm CDT
I was lucky to have the gudiance of RAst Dulian I also was smart enough to listen I think as older mebers we just need to help those that will listen will heck we had some new slave that were frieghten off by old members as well so it just help sometime to be there to listen to both side Master and slave
Cavy 20:59:51 pm CDT
I agree with Xertog...I have wasted most My time lately sorting out mess from one kolar by a Free......cuz quite plainly He didnt have a clue.......did it wrong and as it stood the kolar wasnt there Zoran 21:01:12 pm CDT
But Xertog if you have a person that claims they are from another site but lets say act new do you put them in which catgory
Ulrich 21:01:42 pm CDT
Aye Zoran. I think the intent here, is to convince new members that they need to get some grasp of understanding of Gor before slapping steel on every neck they see. Like you, I spent quite a bit of time observing, reading, getting to know people before I took my first slave
Cavy 21:01:50 pm CDT
but what You do Zoran when they dont listen....I have tried and tried explaining to One...furring dont make a Master punishment dont make a Master Kolars dont make a Master...........and the Free did all three straight away
Laroona 21:02:31 pm CDT
**looks at Cavy and nods in agreement** It is hard when one of the older and knowing is not listened to Zoran 21:04:21 pm CDT
if he does not listen he will not if it is a rule that is the garbage but Cavy if I gave you advise I know you would listen
Cavy 21:04:26 pm CDT
power hungry thats all and in real life no backbone Im sorry but it gets to Me
Laroona 21:04:35 pm CDT
I was a GS slave for some 12 months before the right Master for me came along.... was I choosy in a way Yes... in another way NO as the union lasted and still continues.. that is one exampl of waiting for the right gforena male to come into ones life
Ulrich 21:04:35 pm CDT
~mumbling~ damn trap doors
Cavy 21:05:19 pm CDT
I aintr jumping off that cliff Zoran I told Ya
Laroona 21:06:12 pm CDT
and in that 12 months I served my heart out and beyond it... Zoran 21:06:20 pm CDT
lol ok we were drink ale when I gave you that advice at the time it sounded like it work lol
Cavy 21:06:31 pm CDT
maybe the pledges are taken to quickly aswell Zoran 21:07:52 pm CDT
I do agree with Cavy I wait a while before I pledge as my honor to my home is very strong to me
luscious{Marie} 21:07:53 pm CDT
maybe there needs to be some kind of training ordeal that Masters should have to go thru as well, before they are allowed to pledge.....??
Laroona 21:08:04 pm CDT
adding to Cavy maybe a Free could be tested before a pledge is taken 'after all a white silk is tested before given yellows as an example
shadow{Ulrich}~t 21:09:05 pm CDT
so much to learn about if one is new to Gor.. not sure why one would want a slave before learning the concept of Gor.. ? but guess thats not really for a girl to say but shadow knows she wouldn't want to be collared to a Fresh Gorean with no knowledge.. nor would she have wanted a personal collar when she was new to Gor..
The SKULLSPLITTER 21:09:12 pm CDT
We are sort of undergoing a change in that regard. I have something set up which is a test of 2 parts, GS Structure, and GS rules (Though I haven't finished test 2 yet), Cavy is getting tested tomorrow, Karima is getting tested tonight, I have actually just sent a copy to Zoran as well for feedback and the council have been reviewing it also.
Xertog 21:09:35 pm CDT
The Council has discussed that Cavy very recently and the consensus was that pledges have at times been taken too quickly. That will be changing.
luscious{Marie} 21:10:11 pm CDT
are ALL the Masters going to be taking these tests Master Skullsplitter?
Cavy 21:10:56 pm CDT
Aye Skullsplitter and You are testing Free that want to improve Our home.......not just get girls and get laid.....
The SKULLSPLITTER 21:11:10 pm CDT
Those already pledged, it is up to them, but any newcomers to GS, I personally won't take a pledge unless they can answer basics about the home they are joining.
Cavy 21:12:06 pm CDT
luscious to be honest I think They should
Laroona 21:12:09 pm CDT
heck I do not mind being tested I think it is a good idea and I would not like Xertog to test me I would prefer another Captain to avoid any adverse reaction
Ulrich 21:12:42 pm CDT
Though I don't believe it's official, I'll be using JT's standards as well before I'll accept a pledge. Quality over quantity, the quantity will come over time.
luscious{Marie} 21:12:49 pm CDT
*nods* i see... that is a very good idea.
luscious{Marie} 21:13:28 pm CDT
Master Cavy, i do to.. but, my opinion doesnt count..*S*
The SKULLSPLITTER 21:14:06 pm CDT
The same can work for slaves who are new to GS, Xertog might be able to incorporate into the training, though any Captain can test them on it in say a week or 2 week period of joining. Helps teach them about the Free of their home and how it works as well as the rules.
Cavy 21:15:14 pm CDT
how many Free with owned slaves have sent Thier girls to You for trainers Xertog
The SKULLSPLITTER 21:15:46 pm CDT
It's a bit like School really, might put some people off, but after doing that little bit of work for a week, they don't have anything else to worry about really, if they want more work, training, whatever, it is up to those who want it, Free or slave.
blckrose{Zor} 21:15:52 pm CDT
a girl wonders how many times can a FM/FW or even slave take test
Xertog 21:16:17 pm CDT
Cavy two so far.
Laroona 21:16:53 pm CDT
IMO testing may also save a lot of headaches for the Council as would not being able to personally collar but to collar to GS for a certain time period...
The SKULLSPLITTER 21:17:26 pm CDT
The test aint difficult, not hard to check for references, but at least it forces them to look for the answers. If anyone fails, then it is down to stupidity and ignorance. I expect a 100% pass rate. If not, then give them another chance a week later I suppose. Never considered the fact people might fail it.
luscious{Marie} 21:18:30 pm CDT
If they fail it, it seems that they truly arent serious about it, because if you are asked something, if you cant recall it immediately, there are Loads of reference that im sure one could look up quite easily.
Cavy 21:18:31 pm CDT
gor is a big world the more it explored the more You learn period...but if Ya dont wanna learn got no place here...because Ya need to learn gor to even exist here
luscious{Marie} 21:19:33 pm CDT
i dont understand why if they were interested in it in the beginning, why they wouldnt want to learn about it.. it is very interesting, and different from our own society.
Cavy 21:19:58 pm CDT
well facts are if a slave is displeasing they are jumped on........but what if the slave is displeasing cuz the Free aint got a clue what He is on about
Laroona 21:20:18 pm CDT
I think that GS is one place in the gorean online society that runs close to the books as possible.... that maybe a downfall for GS but then on the other hand it is a bonus as we are true to the philosophies as close as we can online
Cavy 21:21:31 pm CDT
luscious I have about 8 links that I can go to for referance...carries fav link bar is full of gor but one
Laroona 21:22:09 pm CDT
I had one slave jumped on as she was typing the serve the Free thought that she was too slow.... I had to painfully explain this not once but twice 'that slaves have to type every word...
luscious{Marie} 21:22:22 pm CDT
i used to have them in my favorites also, but recently had to reformat my computer, and lost them, but, my Mistress has them , and can give them to me again.*S*
Ulrich 21:22:24 pm CDT
GS is also a great place to find guidance for those that are truly willing to learn
Cavy 21:22:50 pm CDT
aye I remember that...and a couple of days later I had to do the same
Xertog 21:23:07 pm CDT
The topic of testing people before we take there pledge is related to having a waiting period to collar a slave. If they have the basic knowledge to pass the test they should better be able to handle having a collar slave.
Ulrich 21:24:39 pm CDT
Agreed Xertog. If they have enough knowledge to pass the test, then they should have enough understanding that collaring slaves is not what it is all about.
Laroona 21:25:50 pm CDT
after all is that not what the Piazza is about.,.. learning... I am only too happy to pass on links.... to free and slaves...
Nese 21:26:38 pm CDT
You do an excellent job Laroona
Laroona 21:28:24 pm CDT
thanks Nese I am of the firm opinion that a pledge to GS is to help any newcomer but then I do not want my time wasted as some have
Cavy 21:29:08 pm CDT
agreed Laroona....its the wasted time Im upset over.....
Nese 21:29:30 pm CDT
Will try not to waste anyones time , but my real time sometimes gets in the way
Laroona 21:29:40 pm CDT
Cavy maybe C&P it over and over to them LOL
The SKULLSPLITTER 21:29:48 pm CDT
It does for us all Nese.
Ulrich 21:30:28 pm CDT
Nese the wasting time they are referring to are those that won't listen, ask questions or read. We all have our rt issues.
Laroona 21:30:56 pm CDT
Nese what we mean is ones who do not listen or jsut ignore what we are trying to help them with *S*
luscious{Marie} 21:30:59 pm CDT
Ok, i have a question.... IF i was not collared by My Mistress.... and i was at the Piazza, or here, or somewhere other than the Tavern, i cannot be force collared.. right?? i dont HAVE to have a Collar??
Cavy 21:31:10 pm CDT
Nese You dont You are actually learning........I have brought four ppl here over thew last two months Im glad to say that 3 are learning...
Ulrich 21:32:24 pm CDT
That is correct luscious. As long as you're not in a capture/kill zone, you would be safe without a collar.
Nese 21:32:53 pm CDT
I am more learn as You go type ,But am trying to stick to the rules , You all have been more than patient
The SKULLSPLITTER 21:33:06 pm CDT
Unless you are in an uncollared only capture zone. ~Chuckles~
luscious{Marie} 21:33:25 pm CDT
Thank You Master Ulrich.. im not wanting out of my Collar.. not at all, i was just curious.. when i first came to GS.. i was made to think i had to be.... and it wasnt by Mistress Marie, it was a Master that isnt here anymore...
Laroona 21:34:06 pm CDT
The entry page is not correct as it is an old version that needs updating to cater for the Bazaar and new rules
Cavy 21:34:08 pm CDT
Laroona Im sorry for the Other one...LMAO
Xertog 21:34:39 pm CDT
The Market Bazaar is a capture zone too.
Laroona 21:35:12 pm CDT
Nese you are doing OK *S*
Ulrich 21:36:48 pm CDT
Basically, Piazza, kennels and forum are the only non-capture zones are they not?
Cavy 21:37:16 pm CDT
the trouble is a new Free comes then a new slave comes the Free kolars the slave then its the Blind leading the blind
Xertog 21:38:07 pm CDT
The forum has gone long tonight. I think I'll call it to a close. Thanks for coming folks. Thanks for scribing shadow.
Ulrich 21:38:11 pm CDT
Absolutely Cavy. And that is what this discussion is all about, trying to figure out how to open their eyes.
Laroona 21:38:16 pm CDT
Ulrich that is correct *S* some newcomers entering often do not know that or read it *S*
Laroona 21:38:51 pm CDT
and a potential slave is lost
MsKitty 21:39:08 pm CDT
may I ask...you say the Piazza,kennels and forum are the only non-capture zones. does this apply to visiting FreeWomen? or are they fair game in all the other rooms?
Laroona 21:39:37 pm CDT
Ulrich a hunk of 4x2 ????
Ulrich 21:40:10 pm CDT
Thanks Xertog, another good discussion. shadow, good job with the scribing girl. *smiling down at her as she finishes up*
Ulrich 21:40:10 pm CDT Thanks Xertog, another good discussion. shadow, good job with the scribing girl. *smiling down at her as she finishes up*
Xertog 21:40:18 pm CDT MsKitty the tavern is also open to FW on Sundays.
Laroona 21:40:53 pm CDT the tavern is open to FW to enter on Forum days.... Certain times such as Festivals... or at the express invitation to a Current Captain
The SKULLSPLITTER 21:40:58 pm CDT Thanks Xertog and shadow, I wish you all well for now.
shadow{Ulrich}~t 21:41:00 pm CDT *smiles* You are welcome Master Xertog tho no need to thank a girl, it was shadow's pleasure to be of help.. *s*
Laroona 21:41:44 pm CDT Thank you Xertog *S* thanks you shadow a job well done *S*
MsKitty 21:41:47 pm CDT oh really Xertog..FW are allowed in the tavern on Sundays..and if they enter anyother day..especially a visiting FreeWoman..what happens?
Ulrich 21:42:46 pm CDT Though the training yard seems a bit confusing. The room rules state that FW are welcome, but it is also a capture zone. Of course, FW are welcome to be captured. *chuckle*
shadow{Ulrich}~t 21:43:35 pm CDT *smiles.. * shadow thanks all for the kind words.. and Master Xertog for the forum ~eyes sparkling as she glances up to a girl's Master.. ~
Ulrich 21:43:38 pm CDT MsKitty they will get a warning the first time, after that, well it will depend who is there, what mood they are in, and if they want a former FW at their feet
Laroona 21:44:07 pm CDT Ms Kitty it is usually one warning and then they could be facestripped and colared'which then the council would need to rule on ' hope that helps if you are ever around in the Piazza I am happy to help you with the rules and protocols of GS
Laroona 21:44:43 pm CDT Ulrich only if she umm acted slave like LOL
MsKitty 21:45:58 pm CDT I see and what of the Market Bazaar..or what ever it's called...is a FreeWoman safe from being face stripped and collared there?
Laroona 21:48:17 pm CDT Ms Kitty I suggest you read these angelfire.com/vt/goreanshores/info.html and angelfire.com/vt/goreanshores/gsinfo/short-rules.html