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stormy{Xg~L} 20:55:45 pm CST
Master Loki rt is calling , I do have this script .. if there is more can another please scribe it ?
Alias 20:53:24 pm CST
And the mystery to me is trying to figure out Why they do this.
Loki 20:52:19 pm CST
twenty mins left, any other topics?
stormy{Xg~L} 20:49:27 pm CST
Master Alias
stormy truly believes many slaves that are on Gor now adays are exactly that way , though many come here and during the time she is here enjoys being at the mercy of a Free Man without a say or bargining chip .. that is what makes Gor , Gor
snowrose{LT} 20:47:35 pm CST
~looks thoughtfully at Master Alias, mindful that we do indeed live on Earth most of the time~
bubbles{GS} 20:47:30 pm CST
and i guess when all is said and done, even though many of us here are slaves, we are here by choice, no one makes us sit here, we come and go at our own free will....but its nice while we are here, that we are told what to do
stormy{Xg~L} 20:46:54 pm CST
~smiles at how smart Master Alias is and thinks he will do well ~
Alias 20:45:40 pm CST
The feminist movement helped enable women to make their own choices in their own
lives, perhaps, even to choose consensual slavery. And, thanks to the feminist movement,
should things go horribly wrong, there's now a safety net--the police and maybe a women's
shelter are only a phone-call away.
bubbles{GS} 20:44:43 pm CST
gal thinks that Master Norman goes into quite some detail about "natural order"?
bubbles{GS} 20:43:57 pm CST
you don't think that the "natural order" is a good subject Master Loki?
Loki 20:43:56 pm CST
any other topics worthy to discuss
bubbles{GS} 20:43:09 pm CST
gorean Masters wouldn't have let those free women get away with that, and then the earth would not be in the screwed up way it is now hehehehehehehee
bubbles{GS} 20:41:32 pm CST
well, there ya go....how come no men face stripped those free woman when they partially disrobed? heheheee
Loki 20:40:19 pm CST
youd just be naked, for a long time~chuckle~
Ramses 20:40:01 pm CST
ok by Me galah!
bubbles{GS} 20:39:31 pm CST
think there would be any negative backlash if we burnt our silks? hehehehehehee
Ramses 20:39:09 pm CST
chuckling at galah
Loki 20:38:02 pm CST
any other topics?
bubbles{GS} 20:36:38 pm CST
a few free women on earth called themselves feminist and burnt their bras and screwed it all up for the rest of us? heheheheee
Loki 20:33:38 pm CST
if a new master wishes a mentor, id suggesting asking a Captain, or watch the Free interact in the rooms, and if one draws your attention and seems knowledgeable, ask.
Alias 20:33:02 pm CST
I just like looking at all sides of things, not only do I watch things, I also watch my own
reactions to the things I see
Ramses 20:32:08 pm CST
aurora, perfectly done
aurora{Ulrich} 20:31:20 pm CST
aurora's point was ...even by saying something such as...something not being available you as a slave are teaching the Free
what she meant by whispering was...
a simple polite beg to whisper first
then a very polite way of informing the Free of GS rules...etc etc
she has been around Gor long enough to feel confident in doing so
its about helping a new Free
Ramses 20:29:41 pm CST
Alias, it sounds as though you are on your own journey of self discovery now
bubbles{GS} 20:28:57 pm CST
galah just thinks its the natural order that brings us all here **ducks**
Loki 20:27:42 pm CST
Alias, it is what it is, take it for what it is and dont analyze it. for some its enjoyment, for some, a way of life.
snowrose{LT} 20:27:31 pm CST
snow would respectfully tell Him that there are no cigarettes available in the tavern...and offer to bring Him a pipe and tobacco
stormy{Xg~L} 20:27:07 pm CST
Yes Master Ramses , thank you .. stormy will keep this handy should she ever encounter the situation , thank you *S*
Loki 20:25:48 pm CST
exactly aurora, if it doenst exist, you cant get it for Them, but can point them into a different direction
Alias 20:25:36 pm CST
In journalistic terms, the Who, the What, and the Where can easily be seen by watching
people doing what they do. But, the How, and for me, the Why they do what they do is the
biggest part of the mystery about being here.
bubbles{GS} 20:25:26 pm CST
well stormy, gal thinks its a safe bet that all of us on gor are sexual beings, as even in the books it was so, but there is a huge difference between a gorean Master and a HNG
Ramses 20:24:47 pm CST
stormy, I would see that being perfectly acceptable to whisper to said master
aurora{Ulrich} 20:24:27 pm CST
lol...aurora belonged to both your Mistress and Master back in the day stormy ~smiles
there is a way to handle everything...
and there is a way for every slave to handle anything that is thrown at them with intellect and beauty...
and as a slave it is our duty to inform any Master that demands something in GS that is not available of such..and that you do not have to whisper
bubbles{GS} 20:22:41 pm CST
**zips her mouth even though gor don't have zippers either** heheheheheheeee
stormy{Xg~L} 20:22:24 pm CST
aurora
a slave is to do what she is told .. it is up to the free to handle it .. that is how stormy was taught and she was taught by Mistress Laroona and Master Xetrtog back in the day ... stormy would never say to a Master ... "Master stormy begs forgiveness for messaging you ...but , stormy is sorry cigarettes dont exist on Gor "
and as many men came in for cybersex , slaves came in for the same thing gal !! lol
aurora{Ulrich} 20:19:13 pm CST
for instance...a Master comes storming into GS...demanding the slave gets Him a cigarette...what does the slave do?
galah...you can't answer this *L
bubbles{GS} 20:18:49 pm CST
we had to deal with this heaps more when we lived over at poolside....but then a lot of those men was not even interested in learning of gor itself, many only seen it as a way to get easy cybersex, they only learn the bare necessities
stormy{Xg~L} 20:17:18 pm CST
Thank you ~ goes to ponder ~
aurora{Ulrich} 20:16:58 pm CST
stormy...Masters can learn from slaves simply by watching them...knowledgeable slaves train slaves...they also work with the Free in a very respectful manner...informing them of certain ways of GS...what is acceptable, what is not...even to the point of whispering to them...what the slave in front of them has done wrong..helping Them to learn where the slave has gone wrong...
bubbles{GS} 20:16:13 pm CST
a slave couldn't teach a Master to be a Master, that must come from within the man himself, but a slave can help a new Master the proper greetings on gor, and the odd drinks, speak in quiet with him about caste and such things as that....not so much as training a Master to be Master, but training him all about what gor is
Ramses 20:15:31 pm CST
stormy, a good Master, just learning Gor, can learn from any source ..not so much how to be a Master, but more some of the intricacies of Gor
stormy{Xg~L} 20:13:40 pm CST
stormy is sorry she doesnt understand how a slave can teach a Master to be a Master , his likes or dislikes .. things that Men can only help each other with ..
a Mentor is not a trainer , it is someone who guides another and can answer questions that another Master can answer ..
stormy is sorry if this comes across as against the grain per se , but she is simply curious ...
Alias 20:12:09 pm CST
Thanks, aurora, the whole experience here is a big mystery, trying to explore and to
comprehend it is not only interesting to do, it is also a challenge.
Loki 20:07:14 pm CST
I dont think its so much as time restraints, there's always the email that can be sent.
Ramses 20:06:47 pm CST
Marius was the closest thing I had to being a Mentor
He was a good Friend
aurora{Ulrich} 20:06:17 pm CST
soft nod...sure can be Master Alias..
if a girl may suggest.....its Your time
Your free time...You choose to be here
make it fun...don't make it all serious
the fact that You are here questioning and inquiring
says loads about You *s
bubbles{GS} 20:05:56 pm CST
gal knows that the times available can even make it difficult for slaves to train other slaves, often needing done in emails, but would that even work for a Master to help another Master?
bubbles{GS} 20:04:01 pm CST
you had no mentor Master Ramses? would it of been great help to have had a mentor? i just think the problem with the mentor program is that time restraints just don't often jive with each other
Alias 20:03:54 pm CST
The cultural issues are especially daunting round here, making friendships amid all the
social inequalites, can be a hard thing to understand.
snowrose{LT} 20:02:15 pm CST
snow has read the pages and they are helpful of course..But things come up that aren't covered in the pages...so this girl is very grateful for the slave classes...she always finds the answer there.
she suspects it's the same for the Free..situations arise
Ramses 20:00:10 pm CST
in My own case galah, it was observation and reading
the slave pages ..the Free pages ..
observing Masters ...observing slaves ..and reading more
bubbles{GS} 19:59:38 pm CST
everyone was once new, just longer for some than others....and i really think its easier for slaves as there is always some other slave to show her the ropes...we don't just point out the slave pages, although that is a first step, we are there to help each step of the way, and Masters don't have that
Loki 19:58:33 pm CST
Aye Ramses, I myself took a Mentor, I asked questions when I found Myself confused. I remember others having Mentors, but some not full grasping what they were told or being shown. I think it depends on if the Mentor and Mentoree have the same mind set and get along.
Alias 19:58:21 pm CST
Maybe a sign-up list could be posted on the message boards..
bubbles{GS} 19:56:20 pm CST
maybe it would be beneficial for the Masters here to say how they learned of Gor? was it from a slave, from just watching others? many times, it helps to know how to help others by personal experiences?
Ramses 19:56:01 pm CST
Loki, we talked about it. Open offers were made by some on the Council, but no one really took advantage of it
Ramses 19:55:10 pm CST
aurora, I don't disagree with you at all. You are absolutely right. Perhaps that says more about the intellectual state of most Masters
aurora{Ulrich} 19:54:35 pm CST
Master Shadowglade ...Captain Emeritus
always said He learnt most of what He knew in GS about GS from slaves
Loki 19:53:24 pm CST
Ramses, do You remember the Mentorship progam that was here?
aurora{Ulrich} 19:53:11 pm CST
if aurora may disagree with You Master Ramses *L
an intellectual Master who wants to learn the true ways of GS
will do just the opposite...
stormy{Xg~L} 19:53:10 pm CST
Isnt there a quote about a slave teaching a Free ?
aurora{Ulrich} 19:51:56 pm CST
aurora has never corrected a Master...her last words engraved in her brain are *aye Master*...but she does not hesitate to beg to whisper a new Master and inform Him of the ways of GS...or help Him in anyway she can...
and new Masters should ask slaves...not only are slaves helpful but it also tests their knowledge
Ramses 19:51:18 pm CST
while its a good idea ...most Men will never avail themselves of the help, they will view it as weakness, so it never works
I do agree with aurora, that Master can learn very much just watching slaves ..as well as other Free
Loki 19:50:02 pm CST
aye aurora, Ive heard, it might be just a myth, but behind every good Master there was at least one slave, helping Him in each step.
Loki 19:48:03 pm CST
Ramses, You have anything to add to this topic? You've been in Gs for a long while.
aurora{Ulrich} 19:47:41 pm CST
the girl believes its always been a timing factor Master Loki
but...being in the room, the Piazza or the Tavern when other Free is about helps
or ~it has been said a lot of Masters/Free learn from the slaves themselves
Alias 19:46:39 pm CST
The web pages are good, but actually talking with others would be valuable, it can be
quite a culture shock for new people here.
Loki 19:44:56 pm CST
aye aurora, thank you for the link
Loki 19:44:13 pm CST
Its been a while, but I do believe at one time there was a meeting for Masterss to attend and discuss things, Im not sure if it was dropped, or moved to the board discussions. Ive been away for a couple of years.
aurora{Ulrich} 19:42:46 pm CST
angelfire.com/vt/goreanshores/gsinfo/advicemasters.html
is on the webpages...
in case new Masters have not seen it
stormy{Xg~L} 19:42:30 pm CST
In doing so takes commitment for those involved and people have to be willing to do just that , what if there was a post for new "Master" looking for someone to help them and those already established answer them and pair up if not what about monthly meetings for all Free ? this will help all involved
Loki 19:42:11 pm CST
true aurora, the webpages are an excellent source of information for slave, and Free, studying them helps
aurora{Ulrich} 19:40:25 pm CST
its not a new subject or question
has been brought up before in forums
the link to the website is informative
the Free have to read it and remember it
as the slaves do...
Most Free are very helpful to other Free if asked
Loki 19:40:10 pm CST
Aye, tis a legitmate question. Im not sure how it is now, but I know in the past, it was said for a new Master to find a mentor, preferably a Captain, that is willing and able to show Him the gorean ways. I do believe this is stated in the webpages.
I dont know if this has been lacking or is still ongoing, I see no reason why it cant be done.
snowrose{LT} 19:38:41 pm CST
perhaps mentorship?
nassy{GS} 19:38:20 pm CST
nassy thinks it would be helpful to the new Masters..
lil ute{GS-O} 19:38:20 pm CST
ute thinks that is a great idea *grins
bria{GS} 19:37:46 pm CST
Master, girl agrees with this...as new slaves are "trained", why not help new Masters learn too?
Loki 19:36:50 pm CST
any thoughts on this?
Loki 19:36:38 pm CST
Why not have some kind of orientation meetings with new, trainee
'Masters'? Those new here could use the help in finding their way around here
Loki 19:36:21 pm CST
here's a suggestion given..
Loki 19:29:51 pm CST
thank you stormy
let us begin then, please keep chit chat to a minimum. any topic suggestions please whisper them to Me, as I have none to bring up.
thanks go to stormy for scribing