Captain_Shadowglade
alright folks, Im going to kick this thing off since we have a pretty good crowd here....I need topics, so PM them to me please
Captain_Shadowglade
Alright, since no one else has a topic, I'll give you one of my own.
What can we as Free, and slaves of GS do, to help those who are new to Gor find GS to be a good place to make their home, and how can we help to teach them about the beauty, excitement, and all those nifty things that make up what Gor is?
Captain_Shadowglade
what....no one has comments about this?
Errand_Knights_nassy
her soft voice speaks out...before she can bite her tongue...We have to start by being present ourselves..to listen answer questions, not be afraid to speak to newcomers..
topaz-{Rasts_girl}
well, topaz has always greeted everyone, both Free and slave, with enthusiasm.... if new to Gor, she finds that out pretty quick, then tries to help all she can/....remembering lots now who have stayed and enjoyed Gor....
she helps with any questions, or suggestions should they ask, also besides the GS home page, gives them aother link or two that she feels is really good.... but most important, she tries to make it fun and them feel so welcome...but that is simply part of who she is, and not something she does or works at...*chuckles* everyone needs encouragement....and tis up to us to give it!
squishy{Sg}GSsg
Help them to get to know things about GS and gor for that matter... introduce them to our homepages... links to gor related material... answer questions if we know them and if not find out the answer ourself
shirin{GS~fg}
actually shirin thinks we already do it, we have scheduled things throught the hand, forum night, slave class night, topaz is holding dance classes and along with the times people just meet up in the tavern...along with being as helpful as each can be to offer help and show where our website is...interaction in role play is still the very best help in shirin's opinion
Captain_Shadowglade
alright, here's another question for you. Who do you think has the most potential to help a newbie? A free, or a slave?
shirin{GS~fg}
slaves, hehehe ~*~eyes glissen~*~ shirin's not bashful in the least, well maybe a tad
topaz-{Rasts_girl}
topaz feels a slave does....as a slave is trained to know more about Gor than most Free...it is her duty to know all she can and keep on learning..*grins*... also a slave MUST be beautiful and courteous at all times....which means no matter how frustrated, she bites it back...
a Free does not have those restrictions, so she feels They are less likely to spend the time and even have the "way" of showing, guiding, teaching... *grins at the Captain* that of course is simply this lil ole slave's opinion!!...*bats her lashes at the Handsome One*
Captain_Shadowglade
*grins at topaz* Well said girl....MY opinion is that a slave really DOES have the greatest potential in helping....for one, they are less intimidating than the Free....some of us, because of our nature can be very intimidating to newbies....I know that I was very intimidated by the men and even the Captains of GS when I first arrived....and I took up with the tavern's second girl back then, taking her off to the alcoves whenever I could to talk with her, and learn about Gor....until I'd been here for about a year and a half, I hadn't read any of the books, and it was this slave who was my MAIN source of info....but...what can we Free do, do you think, Blade, to try and make ourselves more approachable?
topaz-{Rasts_girl}
thank You Captain..*grins*...she remembers many Free saying that very thing, she was more "approachable" than most....and would remember each of them, and even Mater Roc....*chuckles*...He was One of the best topaz ever had to work with...He was so keen, and soaked everything up...!
Captain_Shadowglade
*nods his greeting to Shadowhawk and Thorfinn* Tal Exactly topaz...so again, what can we the Free do to make ourselves more approachable to the newbies, both slave and free alike?
Blade~xXx~Warrior~
Well I guess one way is to tell the newbie if he/she has any questios to feel free to come and ask us. I know when I first came Kayla was great when I need to know something, but I also made an effert to see if I can find it myself. So I think the best way it to let that newie know we was all once new to gor and GS and it will make them feel a lil more relaxed.
Captain_Shadowglade
Indeed Blade....I also make it a point to let people know that while I am Captain, I try not to stand on too much formality, so that they can feel free to approach me. It's good to keep a light hearted atmosphere sometimes when there are newbies about, as it makes them feel welcome, as I was made to feel welcome when I first wandered into GS, and found it to be the most welcoming home on Gor
shirin{GS~fg}
shirin knows it's been tried in the past, but maybe a Free class one night a hand? every other hand? something a newbie Free can be invited to? or just a private whisper assuring them to ask questions of You?
Hawk_GS_Warrior
*listening to the question then to Blade*.. another could be to offer a newbie some time as visitor.. with a ~v~ attached so that none would be worry .. seems many these days would rather watch then ask before knowing what to ask.. after watching only then do most questions come to mind.. other then simply asking.. what is gor about..
topaz-{Rasts_girl}
that is true Master Blade... topaz knows when she was first new to Gor, she was TERRIFIED of most of the Free...and would near pee herself, get a sore stomach even, as she tried so hard to learn, and was so afraid to make a mistake!!..... perhaps tis the "persona" that the Free Men give..tough, strong, large, intimidating...*chuckles* but as You said, a simple spoken word even in whisper to say that aye, we all were new at one time, and please feel free to ask questions, would go a long way!
Blade~xXx~Warrior~
I know when I first came here Rollo scared the hell out of me. I think that was why I didn't come here to much.
topaz-{Rasts_girl}
shirin sis has a good point and yet she knows of many who could not take quite that amount of fear, and being terrified like that so moved on before giving Gor a chance
Gor is not fair, granted...but give a newbie a chance, a soft word, a smile once in a while, and it does wonders!.....*grinning*
Blade~xXx~Warrior~
Well when I first came to Gor I used the name of Blade the Master Vampire. The only thing Rollo tought me was there was no Vampires on Gor and he was not going to let me be the first ~LOL~
Errand_Knight's nassy
this one was terrified on her first visits...she wouldn't come in unless she knew her Master was here
squishy{Sg}GSsg
squishy was terrified but that was part of the fun of gor...
shirin{GS~fg}
~*~smiles to topaz~*~ as shirin is sure you got many soft words from slaves and maybe that kept you here and helped your love of gor grow to what it is today, fear and all ~smiles~ tis what shirin experienced and wouldn't wish it any other way
zehana{D}
smiles at pazzy...yes for those of us terrified of making boo boos..a comforting smile and word of encouragement does goes along ways
Hawk_GS_Warrior
*chuckles*.. first thing that helped Me in gor was when there was a forum in another place.. so there were all kinds there.. bdsm.. vanilla people.. as well as Gorean Oones.. more a discussion nite.. so that any interested can ask questions or watch til a question is formed.. no formalities nor pressure thinking they need act a certain way
Blade~xXx~Warrior~
Yes ze I remember when ya was scared of making a mistake and was going to get in big time shit for it. But like I said you will be ok.
topaz-{Rasts_girl}
agreed sis!...*blows shirin a kiss* because topaz knows it took her over a year of being part of poolside, but was to terrified to enter GS because of what she was told...about how a slave was nothing and could be killed on the spot...on and on...they fed her fear... but once she entered GS, and learnt more of Gor, the terror eased a tad, and she grew and grew in her slavehood and is more a woman now than she ever was...she truly found her slavebelly!!....she knows for her though, was Mistress Mandi and Mistress Kayla back then who lept topaz from running...LOL
topaz-{Rasts_girl}
aye Master Hawk...which is one of the wonderful things of GS, there is a Forum held ebery Monday night, so any and all may enter, and ask, and learn...without fear.....*smiles*
topaz-{Rasts_girl}
but having some fear is a good thing also topaz thinks, she still has a healthy respect and fear of Gor...and that keeps her on her toes!....*laughing* luckily she also has a Master RT, which has really allowed her to blossom more than she ever thought possible
Hawk_GS_Warrior
aye topaz.. but is this known?.. on the sign in page that is not explained to the point any will feel safe to enter and watch
zehana_{D}
ze think for some of us ze in particular, she had all soo many not so good stories of Gor, kinda like the dentist...heard all the bad stuff...she came in here with great trepidation, hoping to last a day wiht out being killed...
topaz-{Rasts_girl}
You are right Master hawk...tis not on the home page.. and that is exactly why this discussion is taking place topaz believes.
Captain Shadowglade's question was a valid one...how can we help newbies feel welcome...both Free and slave alike...*grins*
maybe something to that effect should be put on the home page
shirin{GS~fg}
Forum- A public room dedicated to the discussion of Gorean lifestyle issues. Not a Kill/Capture Zone. aye Master Hawk, it is a breif description, maybe it can be expanded and give the GS forum night info too, and an invitation to visitors?
topaz-{Rasts_girl}
LMAO...now ze...how many times did topaz tella ggirl she would be all right...she would do great!!....*winks* and now ze understands what it is that was deep inside no??!!.....*smiles softly*
Captain_Shadowglade
alright well, if there are no more comments on this topic we can move on......as soon as someone sends me a new one.
Blade~xXx~Warrior~
I think that is what drew me to Gor to see if I could last a day ~LOL~
Hawk_GS_Warrior
aye.. exactly shirin.. it does not say.. all with interests in gor are welcome..
Captain_Shadowglade
C'mon folks this is gonna be a real short forum if SOMEONE doesn't send me a topic...
Blade~xXx~Warrior~
ShadowHawk I know many use to use {O} or something like that to show there are just here to watch. I know this was used at other site, but not sure if it was ever used here.
Captain_Shadowglade
no, and it won't be either....unless we vote on it again. But I don't support the {O} thing...it's too easy for people to abuse in GS
Blade~xXx~Warrior~
I have to agree with you Shadowglade I think many sites have done away with that for that very same reason.
Hawk_GS_Warrior
I agree with that Shadowglade.. but I do believe to unformalize an area would make more ... interested
The_Skullsplitter
I do not support it either, people can come and say they are new and that is enough to take into consideration, otherwise people can simply use {O} for as long as they wish and it can be abused easily.
Captain_Shadowglade
well guys the Piazza was meant to be our less formal more easy going area, but unfortunately no one ever seems to use it except Kayla from time to time
Blade~xXx~Warrior~
I think its much better if the person just joins in the room. They will learn faster then by just watching from the sideline
Blade~xXx~Warrior~
I think it would be used more if there was more FW that came to GS and its also handy if there is trouble in the tavern for FW and slaves to run to for safety
Captain_Shadowglade
perhaps, but I also very much support the Free person's manual on the homepage where it states rather openly that the tavern is definitely NOT the place to come in and learn, as it can, and WILL be very hardcore...at least it's supposed to be...that was what was what it was supposed to be from it's birth
tavelia{MDK}/{Sg}
listens to the conversation could it not be done...that Free and slaves alike...have a certain time limit....to just visit before totally interacting with everyone....then after that time limit...they have to be an active participant in GS when they come??
Captain_Shadowglade
it could be done tav, but the problem with doing that is that the Free as a general rule don’t like to be told how they are to "be" on Gor, or for that matter how much time (because that is done to slaves, and Free do not wish to be treated like slaves) and so, tends to chase people away more than draw them in....though, it's not a bad idea, it's just not workable with the way people are.
tavelia{MDK}/{Sg}
Master Shadowglade....this is true...but at the same time...if They truly want to roleplay within GS....the time limit wouldn't mean anything....and it is actually...just for the "newbies" that are Free and slave...to let them get comfortable with the way things are in Gor....the way GS is...
Captain_Shadowglade
again tav, I don't disagree with the intent, but the unfortunate fact of the matter is that newbies would rather not bother with it if it's going to be difficult, and will simply go elsewhere like JAG, or GC or any one of the multitude of other Gorean sites, and spend their time there, rather than deal with having to be "restricted"
tavelia{MDK}/{Sg}
Master Shadowglade...i agree to a certain extent...yes some may find it difficult....but...there are some...that don't have the option of being able to come and just observe most places....to get the feel of Gor...most rooms in JAG....if You enter...You have to be an active participant...and that tosses them right in on the roleplay of it all....and if they are new to Gor...and don't know much....that may make them sour to the idea of Gor no??
Captain_Shadowglade
Ok so if there are any other topics send 'em this way
Captain_Shadowglade
sure it can, but we're talking about timelimits at the moment. Anyone can observe in JAG without having to enter any one of the rooms....so, it'd be easy for anyone to watch, and listen and observe without even having to enter...but by restricting people when they enter GS, it may not sour them on Gor, but it WILL sour them on GS
tavelia{MDK}/{Sg}
hmmm...i understand what You are saying Master...thinks a bit more on this...then...what of a time limit on just slaves...so that privilege of being a "freeneck" isn't abused....for Free...i can understand the feeling of a time limit to an extent...but if give the freedom to just come in and visit anytime they wish....they could be in every night and never be collared...or be an asset to GS
Captain_Shadowglade
well, tav, as you know there are really no "unowned" slaves on Gor. Generally what *I* do when an uncollared slave enters GS, is explain to them that they are not protected by GS, that they are in the tavern at their own risk, and that I will allow them to observe either 1 time, or for a couple days, but if I catch them after that I will collar them to the tavern....and that usually works well
Captain_Shadowglade
alright any other comments on this topic before I move on to the next one?
tavelia{MDK}/{Sg}
grins at Master
well that works too...chuckles...that is what i was speaking of with a time limit for slaves...but not all Masters of GS do that...not that i have seen anyway....whispers...but then lately i haven't been around....and i mean no disrespect to any Masters here...so please don't think that...
Captain_Shadowglade
Alright. Next topic is just a reminder to those who might not be aware, or have had a chance to read up on it. This concerns our Kill/Capture rules in GS, specifically dealing with Assassins attempting to carry out their murders in GS.
So here is our rule on killing in the Tavern from the homepages:
"As it is neither fair nor honorable for the fastest typist and the one with the faster server to win in a "Post First" "3 Post" or a "Race" battle, such a battle will be judged. The Captains and Advisors of Gorean Shores are the only individuals who may judge a battle. Three judges must be present for the battle. The battle will be judged on Realism, Description, Honor (such as Honoring a blow), Form, and Agility. The three judges will then, upon completion of the battle, vote in secret and then publicly announce which participant won the battle. Majority vote wins. If the battle is to the death, the victor will then be granted permission to slay his opponent by the judges. Assassins who leap into the room, thrust knives into their prey and immediately leave will simply be laughed out of the tavern. Their "kill" will not be recognized. If an Assassin wishes to kill someone in Gorean Shores, they must abide by the Battle Rules."
The_Skullsplitter
So the only way to do "Battle" is to wait for there to be Captains and Advisors present? ~chuckles~ I thought GS also had a post for post Rule where you could post against one another for as long as you wanted till one either quit or it was stopped to mail the fight to someone for their overall judgement? i.e. Harkon v Clawdia is the most recent example of a "spontanious" post for post which lasted a few hours.
Captain_Shadowglade
now THAT said, let me add some thoughts of my own to that.
NO attempt upon someone's life in PM is valid, and should be ignored....out of hand. period. no if's ands or buts about it, in my opinion. Second, when such a thing occurs, FW and slaves SHOULD seek safety and let any Man of GS who is present handle the situation....it is for this reason, as in RP slaves could be injured, or carried off, that slaves should either go to the Piazza, or the kennel where they should stay until the danger has gone away....
squishy{Sg}GSsg
hoping not to veil dance on the "gor is not fair rule" is it really fair for the Captains to be able to judge on a Kill of a Patron of GS?
Laylee_Pred
Shadowglade~ Is that the same for capture? I have not been able to find Your rules and stuff And since Sleen is now following Me here... and I am sorry about that... I kind of feel responsible
Captain_Shadowglade
I believe, Thorfinn that you refer to something that was agreed to by all participants, including the former Council....it would not have been allowed to go on thusly had I been on that Council as that just seems tedious and excessive to me. Warriors we may be, Brother, but as any Warrior knows, battle should not be sought unless there is a good reason for it.
Captain_Shadowglade
Aye squishy it is to us to decide. Our house, our rules....like them or leave them was the idea of the founders of GS, (of which Rollo was one).....but as a Captain *I* personally feel that all 3 of us would be fair in judging such a battle.
Captain_Shadowglade
Laylee, the Capture rules are a bit different, but like the kill rules, any capture in GS is not final until such time as the Council of Captains has made a call on it.
Laylee_Pred
Then He can not just walk in toss Me over His shoulder and walk out *Smiles* I am glad for that
Captain_Shadowglade
*chuckles* well, Lady, actually, he could....as GS does not extend it's protection of slaves or FW to uncollared slaves, or FW of other homes, unless a Man of GS has offered such protection....as I have to you...
The_Skullsplitter
I can tell you this now, there have been a few examples where I have had to draw steel to prevent an "attack" on people here at GS, it is also more realistic, if suddenly someone draws then you must be composed and draw in return and so forth. I doubt everyone on Gor shouted "Ho, you must set a time, a date, and rules to your battle" when someone suddenly charged them down. There are the 3-5 Post Challenges set - universal - the Spar, the Honor Spar, the Death Match
Then there is the Post for Post Battle - sometimes a set time limit, or till a certain amount of hits have been taken - this is also common for slave captures. Then there is the Speed Posting - which is a Godsend for Me, but a nightmare for others ~chuckles~ But I agree that this Rule should not exist in GS.
Kayla
Hmmm Thinking on this... I think to turn down a role play because it does not go by the books (or by GS rules) to the letter is alittle foolish... We are trying to get more role play not squash it. Yes there needs to be guidelines and having An assassin pop in get off a dagger and then leaving with no reaction is a great example of guidelines being needed. But there should be some leeway.. posted spars when Captains are not present when both combatants agree to abide by the ulimate decision should be enough. Maybe some revision to those rules could be looked at and to include some new raiding ones as well?
Laylee_Pred
*Nods* Understood Then I am grateful for that protection
Captain_Shadowglade
*grins at Thorfinn* Well, Brother, as we've discussed often enough in Council Chambers, much has changed over the years, and then changed back etc etc etc...Im going off what's on the homepages, which was what the rules were the last time I sat on the Council, and which the former Council didn't exist long enough to change, thanks to the Priest Kings...but these are things we CAN change as we see fit by putting it to a vote in the Council chambers....
Captain_Shadowglade
most certainly Kayla...that's the nice thing about having a Council, we can change things as needed....and Im not saying that the current rules should not be changed...merely updating people on what they actually are.
The_Skullsplitter
Well Shadowglade, using the Assassin as an example. Here I am, sitting having a quiet Horn of Mead ~coughs~ In bursts this Assassin who follows no Code but his own. Now if I say, by the Codes we must fight to such and such a Rule, they can simply say "No" and leave. Now I would so rather enjoy watching them make their first post, and then I make a post, and so forth until one dies, or one escapes. The Rule of the Challenge really only works for those of the Warrior Caste alone.
Captain_Shadowglade
indeed it is so Thorfinn...and it is as Kayla said, the guidlines are there to stop fools, who have no idea what they're doing...but truly I don't know that the rule needs to be CHANGED so much as perhaps tweaked a bit....it is the original rule that has existed, pretty much as it is now, since the inception of GS
Kayla
Also with the current battle rules it leaves Women and slaves too protected... Gor should not be a safe haven for any. Builder, Warrior, FreeWoman or slave
Captain_Shadowglade
*chuckling at Kayla* so you support the idea of changing our Kill/Capture rules in GS to be an open free for all, rather than by Council decision as to validity?
The_Skullsplitter
Free for all - No, the final decision must stand with the Council on all matters, it can be posted or mailed.
Kayla
I do think it is more realistic... too many rules squash role-play and sponanity. All captures/kills should rest in the final hands of this ruling body in the end but not the battles themselves.
Captain_Shadowglade
Well, Lady, as you know, that HAS been the way it's normally been done when such matters have come up since it's next to impossible to gather 3 members of the Council together on the spur of the moment at any time, and still very hard to get 3 of us together for a scheduled meeting
Laylee_Pred
Some homes in Jag state that Kills/Captures Mostly captures can only be done if the Person doing the capture has a valid home stone and the Person takes the captive to an open room so that they are available to rescue What You might do is a blend To keep idiots in like if the capture/kill was not handled right then the council could invalidate it If it was handled properly then the council could allow it to stand
Hawk_GS_Warrior
I am unfamiliar with all the rules.. but I do believe or have seen from experience.. that most follow along guidelines or rules that is across the board for all of gor.. since most that I have come across are honorable.. ie this Assassin last nite.. steel was not clashed.. but could have been however honor was present.. therefore rules were being followed
shirin{GS~fg}
in the fun of roleplay...it could be fun and totally frightening too...for a slave to be captured, whisked away to an unknown place...the slave would have to play along, not giving away their location thru im's or emails and wait for either her Master or Owners to come steal her back or bargin for her purchase...maybe??
Hawk_GS_Warrior
I like the idea of laughing out the wannabe's that is pretty well seen from the moment they enter..
The_Skullsplitter
~chuckles at shirin~ Do you know how many online sites, rooms, and people there are now in online Gor? It could take weeks to simply track down the correct site, and by then, Merchant Law states property is no longer yours.
Captain_Shadowglade
The other issue involved, Laylee withour Kill/Capture rules is that since it's inception, GS has held itself as neutral....basically, I think because Xern, Rollo, Kli-Kodesh, and Belial did not wish to have the differences of other Gorean sites spilling over into GS constantly...I know that when Xern taught me HIS correct way of raiding, he made very clear to me that Warriors of GS should NEVER raid another Gorean site, as that would be treading upon our neutrality principle, and invite trouble from outside GS....which I personally agreed with (besides, it's more fun to raid a non Gorean site and watch the chaos that ensues, when people who have no idea what's going on start freaking out)
Laylee_Pred
*Chuckling softly* I have never seen a non gorean site get raided I think I would enjoy that
\shirin{GS~fg}
~*~giggles~*~ not really Jarl and weeks? that would be a long lonely time, shirin hopes she's never captured ~nods~ just an idea Jarl ~shrugs, smiles~!
The_Skullsplitter
I have to admit, the thought of Raiding a non Gorean Chat does make Me laugh with the comedy factor it offers.
squishy{Sg}GSsg
*chuckles softly* she saw a bdsm site get raided by goreans... it was too funny
Captain_Shadowglade
*grins* It's an incredibly fun time not to mention bringing home slave flesh from non gorean sites allows us to train a girl the way we WISh her to be trained rather than having to UNtrain her and then re-train her in GS's way
~es_belle~{T}
well it would be a good way to get new slaves *giggl*
~es_belle~{T}
*giggles as Master Shadowglade thinks the same thing as she
Hawk_GS_Warrior
have never seen that done.. how is it these captured slaves would follow said rules and actually go with being in captivity?
Takuk
I was wondering the same thing Hawk. Tal & greetings everyone. shirin{GS~fg}
if just one slave or one new Free stays, shirin would think the raid on a non-gorean site would be a success
Captain_Shadowglade
*grins at the men* that's when we find out how well you are at charming the girls Men. If you can get them to agree to come back with you, and stick around, you have a good slave on your hands....if not...at least you had a good time burning, looting and pillaging
~es_belle~{T}
*lifting hand* not it! *giggle hearing mistress shirin she wants to see the fun of catpuring someOone*
squishy{Sg}GSsg
~chuckles softly as she listens to her Master~ remembering at how gor began for her... it can happen... and is fun indeed...
Takuk
*laughs at SG... grins... polishes his knuckles on his shirt & examines them* I think I can be pretty charming. *lol*
Captain_Shadowglade
*grins* we will all have to go a'raiding sometime together then, men. It's been too long since I've gone, but I already have a site in mind (it's the same one I always hit, and is just too funny)
Captain_Shadowglade
but honestly, Xern was hardcore about NOT raiding other Gorean sites, so as not to create issues of who's allied with who, and so on and so forth...
Captain_Shadowglade
anyway folks, we're past the time, so Im going to call this forum to a close in a minute, so anyone who has any more comments, get them in now....
Captain_Shadowglade
Alright folks that's the forum, thanks for coming out, and thank you for the good discussion tonight folks. squishy you can stop now little one...thank you for scribing