WHAT DRAWS ANY TO GOR ?
Rollo_the_Ax 19:21:08 CST
WELCOME to this weeks GS Forum... most of the faces are known, so I won't go into the rules....just say that they are the same as always.... So saying, does anybody have a topic they wish discussed, or is there any left over business from last week ??????
Rollo_the_Ax 19:30:43 CST
LOL...LOL... okay, the silence is almost deafening, so I guess we will move on to new topics.... the first one for today is ** What draws women to Gor to be free and not slave ??? **
Mariposa_
well certainly it must be the charmingly sweet and innocent nature of the men here Rollo, why else?
dove{GS} 19:32:27 CST
sorry Master..cannot answer that one..~
shrugs..not knowing one word to say about it..
Ruilan............19:32:41 CST
*Chuckling*
Penny 19:35:02 CST
*putting my hands on my hips and stamping a foot as I grin at Kringe*
Free Women are NOT lazy. *grins*
It's hard work to be free. We women may not be running around with our boobies showing, but we serve the tavern by being friendly to newcomers, and fetching if there isn't a slave around.
And we walk just as fine of a balance as any slave, having to watch what we say to stay free.
Kringe 19:36:08 CST
smiles at Penny ...Aye Lady
dove{GS} 19:36:21 CST
and help teach the slaves with more of a gentle hand... most times..
grinz...then nuzzles amira's arm...
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:36:33 CST
Ok, but what draws you to Gor?
Penny 19:37:49 CST
What draws me personally to Gor?
*chuckling and pointing to Kyoto*
Well, you, of course... hehe.
amira 19:38:06 CST
~nods softly in agreement with Mistress Penny~
most of the FW that this girls knows have been slaves so they are priceless in helping a girl out........ amira knows that without the guiding hand of the FW here it would have been much harder for a girl as a white silk
sen{HoK} 19:38:43 CST
Actually, sen doesn't know what draws her to Gor. It's like chocolate, it's addicting
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:39:32 CST
Chuckling as I hear Penny.
Well, that goes without saying.
nashi{K'E}~fg 19:39:50 CST
smiles and nods quietly in agreement
telaise_{MDK} 19:39:55 CST
~nods in agreement with sen~
doesn't know exactly what the "draw" is... she knows it was Master Kuurus that introduced her... but doesn't know what it is that makes her stay... it's just... there...
{KUURUS}~SILKEN 19:40:04 CST
words....words draw silks to gor....writing words....an a 'feel' a feeling as she writes the words
Rollo_the_Ax 19:40:26 CST
Perhaps this topic, in a way, can answer itself in the rewording to * What draws ANYBODY to Gor in the role that they choose ???*
bahi{HoK} 19:40:32 CST
~ crinkles her brow in confusion ~ were you asking about women in general Master? or Free Women?
Laroona 19:40:58 CST
What draws any to Gor?
as a FW I find it challenging and rewarding as well as a break from RT, so it is also a method of relaxation and intermingling with others
samira{GS} 19:41:30 CST
what draws samira....it is an outlet for her to express a part of who she is
amira 19:41:30 CST
~grins softly~
that one is easy
the desire to serve
and a girls heart and soul
{KUURUS}~SILKEN 19:41:32 CST
oh the part silks choose.....she wishes to serve her Master Kuurus always...in all ways
fidget_{GS}_(t) 19:41:34 CST
~nods in agreement with Mistress Laroona, knowing her RT personality is vastly different than her vt character~
Kringe 19:41:59 CST
I believe its the ppl Y/you meet here
sen{HoK} 19:42:24 CST
sen's desire to serve.
bahi{HoK} 19:42:44 CST
The structure, the vividness of the role play. But more the structure provided. Gor reaches to something inside on a certain level and pulls. Partly the sense of family and belonging in a group of people with the same focus.. or hopefully the same focus
Mariposa
initially, I came because Emerald asked me. Later though, I found myself drawn to something vaguely familiar to the way I was raised. Other times, I escape to here, sometimes, like a fortress of protection from the deceptions and harshness of the real world.
Rollo_the_Ax 19:43:18 CST
Why do so many women come here as slaves ???? Why so many men as warriors ??? Why ??? A chance to * be * what they feel they wish to be deep inside, but have not been able to do in their RT lives ... due to both private situations AND society in general........
EMERALD_FOREST_CAPTAIN 19:43:22 CST
*because it takes people away from RT problems and gives them VT problems LOL*
dove{GS} 19:44:13 CST
to be able to submit..fully..and the release and freedom it brings..the pleasure..to ones self...and others~
leda{GS} 19:44:15 CST
*giggles* hearing Slave Master's words
fidget_{GS}_(t) 19:44:21 CST
~thinks~
the girl believes it's more of a challenge to role play something she is not
Kringe 19:44:25 CST
LOL* at EF
Laroona 19:44:39 CST
I believe we all are here for one purpose, not only to be self serving but to be serving Gorean Shores and supporting those of Gorean Shores
well that is how I view it....
telaise_{MDK} 19:44:41 CST
~agrees about the society factor~
telaise knows it would shock the pants off her "holy roller religious" family if they knew she participated in it online.... or god forbid.. r/t.... ~nods~
EMERALD_FOREST_CAPTAIN 19:45:12 CST
*no it is to give people a break from RT issues S*
bahi{HoK} 19:45:15 CST
or in some cases close to what their rt lives are.. or have been .. and thereby is to a degree.. a comfortable extension of maybe?
KUURUS}~SILKEN 19:45:38 CST
oh my
~gasps hearing Master Emeralds words....smiles~
Mariposa
fidget, do sometimes you find the challenge, well sometimes in your words I thought I had read, and perhaps I a mistaken, the strength of a woman who has more bite, more backbone than she cares to admit.. not that a slave doesn't, but to what I refer is, words that perhaps are accustomed to more freedoms than that which the role of a slave is allowed sometimes? Seems to me you have this free spirit.. but again, I have only read snippets here and there
Laroona 19:46:26 CST
bahi or the reverse to be far away from the RT roles *S*
samira{GS} 19:46:29 CST
true for samira bahi
Rollo_the_Ax 19:47:04 CST
Also, in not all but many cases, women come first as slaves, and then find that they can not continue in that role .... so they become FW... such is a valid choice, and for those that do so, they are being more true to their own self, rather than continuing in the role of slave but not acting as such......
Ruilan 19:47:09 CST
*Rueful grin*
Penny 19:47:31 CST
Well, I know in my case, being here isn't quite the escape into fantasy thing that it might be from another perspective... as a FW, I'm far more restricted socially than I am in real life. *grins*
Online, I have to be chaste, and offline, I'm a lot... erm.... looser. *snicker chuckle*
leda{GS} 19:47:32 CST
escape, addiction, v/t friendship, drama. entertainment, relaxation...having a r/t effect, or presence on people in v/t !
jasma{LB} 19:47:47 CST
~listening to Master Rollo's words~
fidget_{GS}_(t) 19:48:11 CST
~smiling at Mistress Marisopa~
those that know fidget RT would be blown away at her behavior here, not the mouthy, opinionated woman she is outside of here, but the meek shy girl that you all know
it is definitely a challenge for fidget to not speak her mind to everything she sees, but she maintains her "role" as it maybe, that is what drew her here, a chance to role play something she is not, which of course is filtering into RT and making her a somewhat more pliable free spirit
Mariposa
counting the children of Penny and Kyoto.. hmm, yes, evidently there has been lapses in the chasteness factor
Mariposa
but you know Rollo, for me, there was never even the remote chance of thinking or being a slave. Not that I do not submit, so to speak, in a respectful manner of course, to the handsome warrior who so graciously protects me, but it simply didn't fit with my personality, or the gentleness of my spirit.
But again, who knows. Sometimes I can be full of a spirit that is none too gentle.
Laroona 19:50:22 CST
Captain Rollo, so very true as situations change, people change, or have change forced upon them through their RT situations *S*
Penny 19:50:34 CST
*nodding to Rollo's words*
See, that's me, all right...
I couldn't continue pretending to submit to all the men online when my heart belongs to one man. I couldn't, in good conscience, call another man "Master".
KUURUS}~SILKEN 19:50:34 CST
well is nada escape for silks.....vt affects rt for sure
bahi{HoK} 19:50:46 CST
wasn't speaking in generalized terms Mistress.. just one side of the proverbial coin
Penny 19:51:38 CST
*sticking out my tongue playfully at Mariposa* heh, heh...
Hey, I'm trying to keep my legs crossed bunches now, and to keep my fingers away from my belly button.
Mariposa_
welll and how can you submit to a man who is unable to articulate himself clearly, in a well-formulated manner..
Well, not that I can express myself well, usually tripping on my own feet, let alone words
Rollo_the_Ax 19:54:54 CST
fidget ???? WHY ??? what useful purpose is there in trying to be what you are NOT ??? If you mean like in a game, then sure... I can play PS2 and be many things... but if I am interacting with other humans on a one to one basis, what reason should I have to try and be that which I am NOT ????? to do so to ME, smells more of dishonesty ... Rollo could NEVER * play * the role of slave .... I would choose death first.... in RT as well.. and I can provide proof to this... so why * play * at what you are not TRULY ??????
fidget_{GS}_(t) 19:54:57 CST
~tilting her head not understanding if Mistress Marisopa was speaking with the girl
Penny 19:55:08 CST
And, too, I have the problem now that I read online sex stuffies and just giggle.
I'd make a really crummy slave, I'd never be able to do the deed without chattering through it about stuff like Hello Kitty, or what my kidlets are doing in school. *grins*
Mariposa
Penny, not that this occurs in your relationship, but what advice would you give to others, and I am not referring to myself, but to other FW who are married in RT to a warrior on how to handle emotions and feelings toward slaves, and especially in those first few weeks when the slave is completely enamored of the warrior to a point of blindness.
How would you guide them?
dove{GS} 19:55:16 CST
its not in doves heart to judge...although a Master who is educated and requires a lot of her is alluring...
something in her heart to simply serve..and bring pleasure to.. even in conversation.. is drawing...
Mariposa_
oh fidget, I am merely waxing
and trying hard to avoid my homework
jasma{LB} 19:55:52 CST
~thinking on what Master Rollo says.. ~
Penny 19:56:53 CST
*grinning to Mariposa as I pull out my broom from behind my back*
If new slaves annoy me, I just hit them a lot.
*nodding bunches solemnly*
I'm happy to lend my broom to any other free women who want to borrow it.
*grins*
nashi{K'E}~fg 19:56:54 CST
head swiveling...as she listens to the talk with interest
fidget_{GS}_(t) 19:57:04 CST
because is not the spirit of a "role" play Master Rollo?
to learn of something different than what you are?
if i wanted a regular blah blah chat about myself i could go to poolside for that
for here i "chose" to be slave ~ for the challenge of playing a role that is so unlike myself in the real world, true my personality does come out at times but never in a disrespectful manner
samira{GS} 19:57:18 CST
samira has tried rping a FW and it did not go over well, as the slave personality kept uhmm slipping out, it was too hard...~laughs~
that is why she chooses a slave, that she knows, that is who she is
nashi{K'E}~fg 19:58:48 CST
nashi attempted the FW role...and she was able to do it. and could have continued doing it. but not happily. a challenge ..like fidget said. but it didn't fulfil her in the same way as being slave does.
jasma{LB} 19:59:11 CST
for jaz.. well was a FW when first started.. found something within and became a slave.. but now with rt issues and that, don't feel that totally anymore.. so i stay away and only come to forums
Penny 19:59:14 CST
fidget, sometimes, in playing a "role" of a slave, many women find that they have one stuffed in a corner inside...
(and not stuffed in a corner of their house, they would have noticed that by now, most likely.. hehe)
yalena{Sg} 19:59:23 CST
~*~listens, hazels moving from face to face and stops to smile with samira feeling the very same way~*~
Mariposa_
hmm for me what is difficult fidget as a FW is holding my tongue when I certainly have an opinion about something. Well, not just that, its not taking the bull by the horns so to speak and dealing with issues in a straight-forward manner and be done with it.
{Ruilans_ariel} 19:59:24 CST
*softly sings* ding dong the witch is.. *L* taken from the "lil ones of Gor" album forthcoming
Rollo_the_Ax 20:00:04 CST
It is a natural situation for many/most mammals for the male to be the dominate one.... their size and strenght sets this limit... for the male to be the hunter, and the female to be the nurturer or family raiser... We, as HUMANS, have screwed up our brains to the point that men act like women....women act like men... and some don't know which they are at
fidget_{GS}_(t) 20:00:47 CST
Mistress Penny, that could be true also ~ perhaps there is a little part of fidget that is more submissive than she would like to admit
Ruilans_ariel} 20:01:51 CST
is it necessary to be without a strong personality and strong opinions to be submissive?
*frowns slightly* i don't think so, but i could be wrong...
Mariposa
laughing softly, never have I been accused of being a man Rollo, not in appearance, nor in voice or deed. I am professional, thorough, and able to deal with circumstances, typically in a logical manner.
Although of late, I would question the latter statement pretty heavily.
Penny 20:02:31 CST
*waving my hand cheerfully*
I know that I am a woman, and definitely submissive to my husband... AND, to other men in real life, which is sort of a problem... heh.
BUT, online, in a roleplay world, it is MUCH safer for me to be free, since I don't really trust a lot of what I see or hear on the internet.
Mariposa
ariel, the strongest most vocal women I have heard sometimes ariel have been slaves... so I would agree with you in your question/comment..
bahi{HoK} 20:03:05 CST
~ sighs and reaches over squeezing fidgets hand gently~
samira{GS} 20:03:29 CST
many slaves have strong personalities and strong opinions, we are not mindless doormats
nashi{K'E}~fg 20:04:16 CST
but the desire to suppress one's own needs and desires...to get pleasure from the fulfillment of Another's needs...must be present...yes? that need.. should be stronger than putting forth your own opinions and concerns..?
looks to Master Ruilan
Mariposa_wo_an_Icon 20:04:34 CST 71.33.10.78
with of course the exception of the men present here, of course.. I would say some of the men I have met in GS, and please know not all, of course, were very driven by their slaves, perhaps not overtly, but certainly there is a passion and fire that takes them over.. much like me with chocolate
Penny 20:05:10 CST
A submissive personality doesn't *need* a dominant personality in his or her life to be submissive... I look on submission as two things.
One, a personality trait that people are born with to some extent. Everyone has to submit to someone or another in their lives, a boss, a husband, the police, the laws of your country.
So it isn't just women that are submissive, but women, I think, tend to be genetically more submissive than men.
And two, submissive can be a noun to describe the person who has a submissive personality.
Laroona 20:06:05 CST
laughing I know my gender and when I see some gender bender crossing in Gor some undertake I shudder as who are they deceiving ... not themselves but those they speak with, act with,, mingle with
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:06:17 CST
Master Ruilan is gone for the evening.
just strikes ari that we may be confusing the term submissive with something that it isn't. or at least isn't for all submissives.
Mariposa
well I know that I was always a well-behaved daughter..
and hopefully Emerald would never say that I have been too much of a handful..but, gosh, perhaps even I too could change
samira{GS} 20:07:24 CST
nashi, that is a need and desire for samira...to serve the Free, to be found pleasing in whatever way brings Them pleasure
Rollo_the_Ax 20:07:30 CST
I think that some may misunderstand my intent.... for a slave to be a TRUE slave, here in role play, she often requires MORE strength than any Free to do so, and in my opinion, it is harder to be a GOOD slave then a half asses Free......
leda{GS} 20:07:43 CST
*giggles* with Master Rollo's stereotypical observation ...respectfully of course !
in r/t Master we are equals !
in v/t Gor we are not, and this one thinks as a slave, a lot of slaves wish they were not or did not have to be equal's and therefore escape with slave submissive like behavior, exhibited to their heart mind and body and souls content!
bahi{HoK} 20:07:53 CST
bahi is lost.. are we talking anything that has to do with GS or Gor.. or talking about RT lives and tendencies
Laroona 20:08:22 CST
well said Captain Rollo *S*
Ruilans_ariel} 20:08:44 CST
*respectfully disagrees* i don't believe that we are all equals here or in the real.
Penny 20:09:07 CST
In real life, I'm quite pleased and fulfilled making the people around me happy. I'm happy, they're happy, we all end up being one big, happy cheerful bunch.
I very much believe that a woman directs the mood of a house.
If a woman is sullen and grumpy, then her spouse will end up taking on a grumpy mein. The children will be out of sorts.
It falls to a woman to keep the mood in the house light and pleasant, and THAT is service, if you ask me.
*grins*
yalena{Sg} 20:11:08 CST
completely agree, Mistress Penny, it's the woman of the house that keeps the peace
Rollo_the_Ax 20:11:30 CST
Perhaps another thing I should make clear is that I speak only of female slaves or women.... ANY submissive man... in my OWN opinion, is below contempt, and I choose to ignore them.....
Kringe 20:12:51 CST
nods in agreement with Rollo
Penny 20:14:35 CST
I had to throw men into it, sorry, Rollo, eeep.
I'm sharing some of this conversation with my oldest daughter (we're discussing gender roles and genetics vs. learned behavior), and a good friend of hers is a gay male.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:17:47 CST
We need to get it clear in our own minds that there is a HUGE difference between ROLE PLAY, and GAME PLAY ...... in gaming, you become the player....in role play you BRING who you are to the role.... if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and thinks like a duck, at sure as hell can't carry off the role of an eagle......
bahi{HoK} 20:18:51 CST
may bahi post something here she feels may apply in the sense role play is spoken of here? Is a passage
samira{GS} 20:19:15 CST
~bites her tongue an nods in agreement with Master Rollo
Penny 20:19:52 CST
I can agree with that, Rollo.
Which is why here, online, when I couldn't be a slave to strangers any longer, I had to go with my heart and beg to be free.
And this works much better for me personally online, even though the person behind Penny hasn't changed but so much offline, if that makes sense?
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:20:03 CST
well said Rollo
Laroona 20:20:32 CST
are we not all role playing to a certain extent here
as we drink imaginary drinks... eat imaginary food etc...
it is all in our minds and imagination....
jasma{LB} 20:20:34 CST
makes sense to me, Mistress Penny
fidget_{GS}_(t) 20:22:46 CST
Master Rollo ~ perhaps you have misunderstood the girl ~ tis no game she is playing ~ she has worked very hard to learn the "role" of a slave and is not in the least dishonest ~ she enjoys the challenge of being a slave ~ the learning of new ways and new experiences and as most here knows ~ she is not a "player" and does not deceive either
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:23:52 CST
no, fidget is not a player. simply new to gor and still learning. *s
Penny 20:24:12 CST
*grins to Laroona*
I try to drag some of my r/t stuff into my roleplay... like when my daughter bakes cookies, I bring them online to share (but how come I'm the one gaining all the weight? *sniffle*).
But you're right, the actions we do are roleplay... who we are intrinsically may not be (I know I'm just me, which is why I can't go into heavy duty roleplay sites, I can't pretend so very well... ack.)
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:24:56 CST
that's 'cause You are old Mistress Penny.
*grins and hides behind Master Sandman*
bahi{HoK} 20:25:04 CST
"Is it not safer to cower in the caves of lies than stand upon the cliffs of truth, surveying the world? Yet when one stands in the sunlight, and feels the winds of reality, how dank and shameful seem the dark shelters of falsehood, and how foolish it seems then to have once feared daylight and fresh air." Fighting Slave of Gor - Page 103
Am apply this to when selecting a role here in Gor to participate in.. be true to the role and as true to yourself as possible
The_Skullsplitter 20:26:01 CST
In all that time fidget, do you still maintain your original view that what you are is a "role"? Or has that time changed you in anyway, perhaps changed your perceptions, emotions, or feelings, toward becoming understanding of that role, and perhaps there is more of the submissive female in you than you thought otherwise?
Penny 20:26:27 CST
*sticks my tongue out at ariel*
Yeah, yeah, I'm old, all right... stay out of reach of my cane... hehe.
And no more cookies for you if you call me an old crone when my hearing aid is turned on... hehe.
Laroona 20:26:30 CST
Penny that is cos you eat them all first LOL
bahi{HoK} 20:26:39 CST
she had already stated it was bringing a new dimension to her offline life
Ruilans_ariel} 20:26:54 CST
it's not the cane that scares ari Mistress Penny, it's that damn broom.
fidget_{GS}_(t) 20:28:26 CST
Jarl Skullsplitter ~ it's more of a role of pretending is it not? pretending in a sense that men are warriors and have swords an axes ~ that they would never carry to work in real life?
fidget's personality is really hers ~ how much boot kissing she'd do in real life is a different story ~ that's all she really means
The_Skullsplitter 20:28:47 CST
Did she? Oops, never saw that, ignore My question then.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:29:54 CST
fidget... and everybody else.... take no personal insult from anything I say.... I am speaking in generalities here... believe me, when Rollo wants to call anybody specifically anything, I will use their name... until then, take nothing personally ......
Penny 20:30:31 CST
*sticking my tongue out at Laroona now*
No cookies for you either, chickie!
heh, heh, heh...
And ariel, I haven't hit a slave with a broom all winter.
*looking proud of myself*
fidget_{GS}_(t) 20:30:33 CST
thank you for speaking that Master Rollo ~ fidget felt a large unease that people would believe her deceiving
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:31:54 CST
heh, so You say Mistress Penny. although i don't think those were feathers that i was picking out of my silks the other day.. looked more like broom straw. *sends Her a knowing look*
Laroona 20:31:57 CST
Penny so it is you who has the broom from the Piazza, I was looking for it the other day LOL
Penny 20:32:52 CST
bahi, in my personal case, I have to sort of live an online lie, since I can't be a Gorean slave and call everybody Master, but I *do* love my husband with every fiber of my being and would walk over hot coals for him in a heartbeat. Which is why I can't submit to *everybody*.
So I have to play Free, even though I'm really a submissive sort of personality in real life.
But I wouldn't call that living a lie, it's adapting to what I have to work with.
*nods nods*
Penny 20:33:35 CST
*hides the broom behind my back and whistles innocently*
Broom? What broom? hehehehe...
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:34:43 CST
lots of slaves have gone the route that Mistress Penny has chosen.
in fact, it is almost an epedimic with slaves that have been around for a long time.
find that you simply cannot submit to everyone anymore and either slip away into oblivion, or become Free.
jasma{LB} 20:35:11 CST
~nodding at ariel's words~
Penny 20:36:37 CST
*nodding to ariel somberly*
You're right. It's happening all over Gor. I am certainly not alone, there are more and more free women every day.
I don't know why it seems so much harder for many to carry on as slaves... I have to give kudos to those of you able to do it every day for so many years.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:37:30 CST
but fidget.... what about those men that do/would carry a weapon..at all times, if society and laws did not stop them ???? it is the fear of the weak, that limits the strong in todays society.... how many muggings would there be, if the mugger knew that his victim would fight back ??? how many rapes, if the rapist knew that ANY man close by would take his life for doing so ???? We limit our own freedoms and place the blame for things not working on those we use as our paid protectors..yet we limit their ability to deal with criminals....
Reina 20:37:54 CST
Nodding quietly in agreement with Penny
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:37:56 CST
personally? i take breaks. in fact, until Master Ruilan returned to Gor last fall, i was well on my way to the fade out portion of ariel's existence.
His return, changed my mind.
bahi{HoK} 20:38:17 CST
Thank you Mistress Penny.. am still struggling with the correlations here though
fidget_{GS}_(t) 20:38:49 CST
aye ~ fidget agrees with you there Master Rollo
samira{GS} 20:39:27 CST
~nods in agreement with Master Rollo, smiles and waves to all as she slips out to rti~
Laroona 20:39:47 CST
I would say as slave - slaves have to know a lot, be submissive and respectful at all times, serve all... and remain pleasing...
a FW can be mean, nasty or nice, but both roles as a female on Gor is hard ... and having been on both sides of the fence the fact I was slave first then FW makes being a FW easier of either role...
yalena{Sg} 20:40:42 CST
~*~nods hearing ariel, battling thru that right now herself~*~
Xertog 20:40:48 CST
Aye Rollo. It's like that here in New York where I just moved. Seems only the criminals have weapons here.
Reina 20:41:39 CST
Looking towards Rollo... Could it be that people due to past injustices by those that were to proctect are unable to allow to have carte blanche? Just a thought..
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:42:10 CST
well said Rollo from a place where some of the Free do have weapons,, and know how to use them better than most of the paid ones
Laroona 20:42:32 CST
Captain Rollo many criminologists are asking that very question... criminals will always seek out the weak of society
Penny 20:43:04 CST
I've never really had the opportunity to do the online submission bit, so can't really imagine what it's like... so even though I was an online slave, I wasn't really, since I had my husband right here, and so I didn't have the online emotion thing going, if that makes any sense?
So I never had that much invested in online slavery anyway.
Mariposa_
you know, I sit only two feet away perhaps from a .45 but its not that which gives me a sense of safety, its knowing my father is here, who would give his life to protect my mother, my daughter and myself.
Laroona 20:44:30 CST
laughing I am sure Xertog ended up with premature aging thanks to one LOL
Penny 20:45:12 CST
Weapons scare the bejeebers out of me, but when the dogs are barking, I beg Bob to go outside with a baseball bat and find out why... hehe
Mariposa_
I can see him now Penny, slippers, bathrobe flapping in the wind, with this fierce look upon his face, and a wooden bat in his hand, I hesitate to say a woody in his hand for fear of blushing down to my toes
Rollo_the_Ax 20:49:40 CST
I can speak for only my own position or reasoning on * how * I role play or portray myself here... warrior ??? yes, I was one in RT... I have taken human lives in RT and could do so again...for the RIGHT reason....it is also why a chafe at the way many want to kill ppl here on-line...because they make it a GAME... and death is not a game or FUN... FREE ??? yes, because I can be nothing else... Leader ??? well, I never wanted to be so or do so again after combat, because to lead, you must be willing to order others to their death... now, leave that decision to myself for my own life.... For myself... the * role play * here started as an ablity to once again be that young, healthy, warrior....instead of a crippled old man....
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:49:45 CST
*laughs at the woody image* dang.
Penny 20:49:53 CST
*chuckling and winking to Mariposa*
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:51:06 CST
*waves as she wanders out, thinking about Master Kyoto in His boxers*
hmm, nice image to go to sleep with.
farewell all.
Penny 20:52:26 CST
*hugs Rollo at the thought of him being a crippled old man*
Quit talking like that. You're a vital, wonderful person.
And I one hundred percent agree with you about the killing games that people play online. It angers and sickens me that people take life so casually.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:53:40 CST
in today society, too many see weapons as the tools of the lawless instead of the tools of FREE MEN.... and also those that live in cities see guns as only things of crime....so they buy the story from the government that * guns are BAD * ???? When did it become the object and NOT the hand behind it ???
Laroona 20:53:54 CST
I agree with the futility of online killings as within ahns many just return under another name.....
there is enough strife in the RT world without it carrying over to VT...
bahi{HoK} 20:54:23 CST
Is it possible to equate quite so much with RT and still keep this Gor though? i mean.. Gor is a fantasy thing for the most part.. true.. some portions have been taken over into RT by some people.. but in the online application.. its far more fantasy based.. or bahi way out in left field somewhere?
jasma{LB} 20:54:55 CST
~looking to Master Rollo.. dark gems sparkling warmly~..
bahi{HoK} 20:56:55 CST
ok.. wait.. now really, seriously now understanding.. but we still apply the institutional slavery in close to all it's glory here in VT.. yet in RT its what we fight wars to stop
Kristian 20:57:29 CST
bahi.. words well chosen..
bahi{HoK} 20:58:27 CST
so don't we have to make a lot of allowances for this is a VT venue and is based on something we could most likely never condone RT?
thank you Master
Penny 20:59:37 CST
I agree, bahi, glamorizing slavery in a world where we don't really "see" it happening in our real lives is somewhat of a paradox... why do we do it?
Zoran 20:59:52 CST
grins as I listen to bahi
think that we do a lot of thing in vt we wouldn't do in rt
bahi{HoK} 21:00:21 CST
Mistress.. because it isn't real.. it's VT.. and VT pales by comparison to RT
Penny 21:00:51 CST
*chuckling*
Too true, Zoran.
bahi{HoK} 21:01:12 CST
nobody here really gets killed.. like any role play venue.. its just that.. role play.. maybe the division isn't as strong as it needs to be?
Penny 21:01:40 CST
And then there are those of us who have no problems with walking around naked in r/t, but who can't online... mwahahaha.
*grins*
bahi{HoK} 21:01:58 CST
oh no kidding Master Zoran ~ laughs~
anyone comes at bahi with a whip you really think she's gonna just tremble and stay put?? heck no.. there'd a race going
Zoran 21:02:53 CST
lol at bahi
vega{AK} 21:03:26 CST
a slow grin comes to her regarding bahi's comment...
bahi{HoK} 21:04:43 CST
~ murmurs~ not to mention lots of stuff hidden away.. and well
But that's the difference between RT and VT.. the vast divide
Rollo_the_Ax 21:04:54 CST
bahi.... as Lincoln said may years ago.... * As I would not want to be a slave, I would never own one * .... in RT this is true.... to own somebody against their will is wrong.... HERE, it is with their will...... every single woman that comes here to role play a slave, does so at her own will...... as for personally owning a slave ??? no woman that I have ever owned here, on a personal basis... was done so by force.... the VERY few who have worn my collar, did so it their OWN will.... and knew that should they wish for it to no longer be that way, were free to go.... So for myself, I have never been a slave master... just a Master......
Penny 21:05:35 CST
Awww, but bahi... you should see some of the pretty whips out there... hehe. There's one whipmaker who makes one out of bunnies (will show you the link in a sec), which I'm theoretically opposed to, being a vegetarian and animal rights activist, but I keep thinking about it anyway.
Bad me.
bahi{HoK} 21:06:50 CST
ha.. one of those look but don't touch things.. only thing bahi does is hide the things.. whenever possible
bahi{HoK} 21:07:43 CST
exactly the point bahi was making Master Rollo.. the great divide between VT and RT
Zoran 21:08:39 CST
but we have a different idea of slavery as the vt world we create is one that has been forgotten
MEn here (hand held high)
women here hand held low)
it lost in rt but we make it here vt
bahi{HoK} 21:09:12 CST
slaves her can be bought and sold at will.. even killed off.. and not by choice.. heck.. even whipped (ouch ouch ouch)and they have nothing to say about it other than to leave. but there again somes the difference in the dilution of actual reality in virtual reality
thaZoran 21:12:11 CST
well it is role play
Penny 21:12:19 CST
*gets ready to be assaulted r/t by all the women*
I don't think society did women or families any favors by putting women in the workplace... Equal pay for equal work, yeah, that's super, but what happened to the world where families could survive on one paycheck? Where kids had moms at home when they came home from school? Was that such a bad world?
bahi{HoK} 21:13:50 CST
don't think that was something that was intended to be a lasting then when it first hained in commonness Mistress.. that was only a war effort that never died away
Reina 21:14:03 CST
Penny the world you speak of was only a reality in most Caucasian (opps on spelling) back in the 20's 30's 40's most Latin families has both parents working as well as the children
Zoran 21:14:19 CST
sighh a lost world Penny
lost world
maybe why we come to the vt
bahi{HoK} 21:14:33 CST
thing not then.. ahem
Laroona 21:14:36 CST
LOL will not go there Penny
that was all fine when families remained together.....or woman were the breadwinner.. is all I say
Rollo_the_Ax 21:14:45 CST
I do not know what else to say ??? Being here... taking part in on-line Gor is a personal choice for EVERY person.... if y,all don't agree with what goes on, then perhaps it is not the correct venue for your on-line interaction.... God knows that there are a squillion chat sites out there .... each person should find the one that works for THEM...... but once you do join in on ANY site, you are in effect agreeing to follow THEIR ways and rules....
jasma{LB} 21:14:57 CST
~listening to Mistress Penny~.. i for one won't assault.. ~s~.. i'm a stay at home mom, but then.. other issues at hand.. it really wouldn't pay to get a job and have to pay for someone to watch our son. i'd spend more than i made. it's hard, but sacrifices have to be made.
bahi{HoK} 21:15:49 CST
so.. change it Master Zoran. Run for president and make the world a better place again. bahi'll vote for ya
~ grins and winks~
Reina 21:16:06 CST
Smiling at Penny I know I would love to be an at home mother.. and caregiver.. sighing unfortunately.. with the ever cost of inflation and r/t not possible so much anymore..
Reina 21:17:28 CST
In our culture we are lucky to have our grandparent who in most cases have retired and live with us to watch the children and be the caregivers..
Penny 21:17:38 CST
I'm in your situation, too, jasma. We couldn't even begin to afford daycare for me to go out and get a minimum wage job, which was what we were facing when Bob was SO sick. The thought of paying someone to care for him, paying for someone else to care for the kids, and for what? $6.00 an hour. *sighs*
leda{GS} 21:19:13 CST
wishes without question how she would of loved to be able to be a stay at home mom ..but needed shelter and to eat being a single mom
Penny 21:19:27 CST
*nodding to fidget*
That's what I was referring to.
And Reina, that would be ideal. That's how my sister in law was able to work, her mother stays with her and takes care of the children (and Bob's side of the family is from Venezuela, you're right, different culture, much closer family life).
Rollo_the_Ax 21:20:19 CST
LOL..LOL.. once the genie was loose from the bottle, there is no way to put him back in I am afraid.... want to go back to the old ways ??? where most folks worked the soil for every bite of food they got ?? even on farms, the woman did a shit load of the work .... and they had so many kids for a ready work force...not because they * enjoyed * them so much....LOL..LOL... that and the fact that they had NO birth control and sex was one of the things that they COULD do ......LOL..
bahi{HoK} 21:20:41 CST
ditto leda.. would have been wonderful
Penny 21:21:02 CST
*hugs to leda*
I absolutely admire all of the moms out there who work so hard and juggle so much. It's a huge responsibility, and it's too bad that there isn't more support for what you as moms have to do.
Penny 21:22:14 CST
*grins to Rollo*
That's how my grandparents were. Both from huge farming familes, and worked hard every day of their lives.
Laroona 21:22:27 CST
hindsight is a wonderful thing.. but then there would be no modern technology.. we would not even be here in this venue discussing such issues LOL
Reina 21:22:37 CST
leda, my mother was a single mom and she raised me well on her own with no help.. so I too must say I admire all single mommies out there.. oh.. and single daddy's as well.
aurora 21:22:42 CST
~smiles at Master Rollo~ and today many religion aspects do not allow for birth-control...women stay home, have numerous babies and work very hard...finances are poor...~in many instances those families are still together as families
bahi{HoK} 21:22:52 CST
is it really that different for the women of today Master? Or any less work? most hold down jobs, maintain households, play soccer mom and taxi driver, and raise families to boot
bahi{HoK} 21:23:53 CST
heh.. and still so the things they *can* do
Reina 21:24:03 CST
Which is why with all the demand of R/T we should be able to enjoy our V/T without and drama or nonsense..
Reina 21:24:18 CST
Smiling gently.. that is my 2 cents..
Laroona 21:24:42 CST
well said Reina *S*
so very well said *S*
Penny 21:24:57 CST
*winking to Reina*
Agreed. Drama is silly stuff.
Rollo_the_Ax 21:25:27 CST
LOL..LOL... I'll tell you all what I tell those close to me in RT.... * Make me KING OF THE WORLD, and I will fix all this stuff....LOL...LOL.. lots of folks won't LIKE how it gets fixed..but the trains will run on time and kids WILL respect their elders.... and anybody that harms another weaker than them will pay ...... and BTW, no jails.... chain gains and work farms.... or public executions....
Penny 21:27:08 CST
I like that, Rollo... a world full of respectful kids... *grins*
bahi{HoK} 21:27:12 CST
Woot Master Rollo !!!!!!!!!!
fidget_{GS}_(t) 21:27:13 CST
~applauds Master Rollo~
fidget would elect you
Sandman,,Builder_ 21:27:28 CST
hear hear Reina ....said in a hearty voice...there is enough pettiness and bs in RT without having to deal with it in VT too
SCRIBES - for FORUM NOTE TAKING
Laroona 20:49:07 CST
Captain Rollo with respect if this topic is about run its course I have a simple request to put forth for scribes if that is permissible *S*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:55:21 CST
go ahead, Laroona....
Laroona 20:57:12 CST
thank you Captain *S*
I will be posting this on the boards later.....
Due to RT events that will be demanding more of my time for the near future. That being said my internet access will be on an unknown basis.
I also seek volunteers to C&P the forum notes and would like to consider a rotation basis be established to give each of these hard working people a rest and ability to participate in some forums. This rotation can be posted on the Forum notice page, if any are interested please contact me direct.
thanks
Rollo_the_Ax 20:58:08 CST
We are getting close to the end of our time for today...... And I have received many requests to * clean up * some of the posting on the message board... I will do so as soon as I can....
Laroona 21:00:14 CST
I will add names to those who have already contacted me and make a rotation base for when I am unable to be here *S*
Rollo_the_Ax 21:28:07 CST
Okay folks..... it is time to call it a day.... Thanks to everyone for attending the forum.... and i hope to see y'all again next week......
Sandman,,Builder_ 21:28:23 CST
well Done Rollo
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