Present:
Sandman
Kyoto
Rollo
Bretval
Kazar
Lita
snowrose
maddie-anne
hazine
flicka
Rollo the Ax 19:46:28 pm CDT
Okay folks...... we seem to always take forever to get started..... how about we start with an un-official topic until somebody in-charge gets things rolling ??? and if so does anybody have a topic or question they wish to discuss ??
Lita, Physician 19:48:02 pm CDT
O had a topic last week we didn't get to, and wWhomever was moderating then said He saved it and we would get to it another time, but I don't have it handy myself.
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 19:48:41 pm CDT
It seems to Me that you do a fine job of leading the Forums, Rollo
Tanthio§'s blue silk maddie~anne{T§} 19:48:46 pm CDT
~whispers softly~ this may be more of a slave class question, but in this slut's reading back, she found a reference on page 37 of the General Boards that refers to a slave's 11 kisses...while this slut admits to for getting ALOT in the last 10 years, she doesn't ever remember anything about 11 kisses...she ponders, in the vast emptiness of her mind...if there are any other reference that may be had or what it is?
Rollo the Ax 19:50:27 pm CDT
Well then.. until anybody else takes charge, I will get things going..... with the understanding that an Captain that shows up can take over..... okay ????? What was the topic you wished to discuss, Lita
Lita, Physician 19:51:59 pm CDT
maddie anne, the books mention 11 kinds of slave kisses. Unfortunately it's a brief mention, and none of the kisses are described.
Lita, Physician 19:53:26 pm CDT
Alas, Captain, I have slept since then and do not recall, and can't seem to locate it quickly in my files. Just go ahead with whatever anyone wants to discuss.
Rollo the Ax 19:53:58 pm CDT
My opinion also.... one quote from one book ..... it could simply be one certain school of slave training that did so...... if JN wanted it to be a major part of Gor, he would have repeated it or gone into much more detail in other books........
galah{RA} 19:55:10 pm CDT
**slithers over beside flicka and taps the quill to make it hard for her to scribe** heheheheee
Rollo the Ax 19:55:19 pm CDT
If you should remember it, Lita, please let me know and we will get to it...... Okay ???
Rollo the Ax 19:56:15 pm CDT
Okay.... lets discuss the role of the male slave ...... on Gor and more to the point here on-line......
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 19:56:25 pm CDT
~making sure that ink splatters all over galah, but hoping that Master Rollo doesn't notice.~
Lita, Physician 19:58:17 pm CDT
There were actually a lot of male slaves. Working in the mines, farming, manning the oars on the ships. There were fewer male personal slaves, but they did exist.
Rollo the Ax 19:59:12 pm CDT
it is a major part of the books that for lack of a better description any REAL man would take death before slavery..... warrior codes and all...... but then the books are riddled with cases of guys getting taken slave .??
Tanthio§'s blue silk maddie~anne{T§} 19:59:50 pm CDT
~nods and whispers~
thank You Master Rollo and Mistress Lita, for expanding this slut's knowledge...guess that is why slut should have taken the hint with the only response to it..~smiles~
~hearing her Master's bellow, she quickly lifts and scurries to the door as she calls quietly out~
slut hopes that A/all remain happy and blessed...
Lita, Physician 20:00:16 pm CDT
This is true. Even "Our Hero" wasn brought to that choice, and chose to live.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:00:55 pm CDT
are there any instances of a Free male willing submitting, without duress?...wanting to be slave to a woman? she has not read past where we are in Renegades
Rollo the Ax 20:01:21 pm CDT
A point that JN covers over and over again.... how he looks back and beats himself up over doing so......
Lita, Physician 20:01:46 pm CDT
Not that I know of, snow. Apparently Gorean Men are just not submissive by nature.
Rollo the Ax 20:02:14 pm CDT
I do not remember a single case of that happening, snowrose......
galah{RA} 20:03:29 pm CDT
can understand that male slaves would be far superior for doing heavy duty jobs and heavy lifting, but would there actually be male slaves doing drink serves in a tavern? gal knows we do so here to make way for all that wish to be here, but would Masters ever choose to have a male slave in a place meant for their pleasures?
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:04:04 pm CDT
Or is that a cowards way out? Living to fight another day seems as honorable.. more so than suicide when facing a superior opponent...
Rollo the Ax 20:04:20 pm CDT
Okay..... I guess that from *MY * point of view or position, I can NOT understand why ANY woman would waste her time on some submissive guy....... it simply goes against nature to MY thinking.....
Kyoto- 20:05:07 pm CDT
I can't see it happening, galah. And even though I know a few male submissives/slaves in rt, I would not let one serve me there, much less here.
hazine{GS} 20:05:22 pm CDT
Male slaves just go against the Natural Order of life
Rollo the Ax 20:06:47 pm CDT
galah.... that are few things that piss ME off more..... if it where up to ME, any guy willing to be submissive like that would have his throat stomped repeatedly...... but them again, I am a bit of a hard case when it comes to submissive men.......
Lita, Physician 20:07:35 pm CDT
And yet, Captain Kyoto, there were LAWS regarding a Free Woman caught "couching" another Owner's male slave, so it must have happened for there to be laws against it.
hazine{GS} 20:07:36 pm CDT
keeps quiet again
Kyoto- 20:08:05 pm CDT
I know of a former navy seal who is a submissive in real life, I'm not willing to go up to him and give him hell.
galah{RA} 20:08:13 pm CDT
and if the male slave was once free, but then enslaved, he would be beaten into submission? but beneath it all, would be that dominance waiting for a chance? in other words, could a male slave EVER be trusted?
Rollo the Ax 20:08:27 pm CDT
there are...not that are.... my fingers get mixed up when I get worked up..... writing that is...... never at * other * times....... LOL...LOL..
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:09:32 pm CDT
Yes Master Bretval...and that anger would make Him an even more formidable opponent, even if most of the anger is directed at Himself
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:09:43 pm CDT
Kyoto funny lot of guys in r/t in big positions in r/t are subs ~
Rollo the Ax 20:11:00 pm CDT
Once again, Kyoto... it must be MY problem.... because I can NOT understand why such a guy would do so ??? you here all the time about CEOs and powerful business men going to BDSM women and getting dominated ?????? to ME, that is a mental flaw .....
Kyoto- 20:11:07 pm CDT
Well, as I understand it, Kazar, those men are crushed by the weight of their responsibilities and need the release of not being in charge for a time. It's not my thing, but I get it.
galah{RA} 20:12:08 pm CDT
but Master, couldn't the same be said about females? gal has heard about many dominant, business women that run companies that come here to be a slave
Rollo the Ax 20:13:14 pm CDT
Okay..... in RT, back in time, I can understand a male slave being taken and WORKED !!! but always at great risk of escape or fighting back..... but to WILLINGLY submit ???????
galah{RA} 20:14:11 pm CDT
among the slaves here, there are those that are indeed submissive even in rt, but there are also many that are not so submissive in rt...but something within them wishes that?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:14:35 pm CDT
but she wonders about that...thinks maybe it's just a rationalization...he'd be the same way even as the dry cleaner down the street...that it covers all strata
Rollo the Ax 20:15:46 pm CDT
Yes, galah...... but does that not show that even if the woman has gained power in RT she still desires submission ??? if she can not do so in RT she needs to find somewhere to fulfil her needs to submit.....
galah{RA} 20:16:26 pm CDT
as hazine said, the natural order...but on urth, everything has gotten all screwed around to mess up that order? for behind every gorean here, there is that urthen rt person trying to understand the difference in the two worlds order
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:16:30 pm CDT
Kyoto grins me either things of J EDGAR HOVER IN DRAG LOL
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:17:39 pm CDT
As usual the books and the philosophy behind it are based on an either-or thinking.. RT is actually on a sliding scale.. reaction change to adjust to the actual situation... there is no Universal right or wrong... that is what terrorists want to have... My way or death
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:18:00 pm CDT
J Edgar Hoover The old FBI head????
Kyoto- 20:19:28 pm CDT
Yes, snow, the rumors are that he was a cross dresser
Rollo the Ax 20:20:05 pm CDT
Perhaps not TOTALLY submissive in RT galah..... but when push comes to shove in RT they usually do not take the dominating role, or they accept their place......
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:20:10 pm CDT
~shudders~ He was so unattractive as a man..it doesn't bear thinking about
galah{RA} 20:20:23 pm CDT
but now gal is thinking the same could be for free women, if they are face stripped and given choice, they normally will submit before choosing death, but then could that slave ever be trusted? they would always be trying to regain their previous situation
Rollo the Ax 20:21:31 pm CDT
J Edgar was a well known cross-dresser..... but not homosexual....
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:21:32 pm CDT
snow he was a cross dresser
Rollo the Ax 20:23:59 pm CDT
In the books galah, once she was slave, she would have no legal way back except to be freed by her Master.....
Lita, Physician 20:25:00 pm CDT
galah, in the books women are submissive by nature, and all the Free Women mentioned who ere enslaved embraced that role and never even WANTED to be Free.
galah{RA} 20:26:46 pm CDT
was the only examples of a Master freeing a slave for reasons of having free children?
Rollo the Ax 20:28:09 pm CDT
It really goes back to JNs basic role for the sexes in his books..... men are men, women are at heart women even if free, and THAT is how his world works..... where we have OUR problems is trying to make our RT lives and society fit in with that way of life.......
galah{RA} 20:29:11 pm CDT
Masters seen love as a weakness? for there was cases of Masters selling off a slave because he loved her to much?
Lita, Physician 20:29:57 pm CDT
yes. galah. That is why love slaves were more strictly treated than others, to show the Master was not weak
hazine{GS} 20:30:06 pm CDT
The common submission of a free woman, usually rendered in terror of her life, as amidst the flames of a burning city, is to kneel before the male, and lift her crossed wrists to him, her head bowed between her arms. In this way her submission is clear, and she is hoping to buy her life with her beauty, the crossed wrists, ready for binding, indicating that she is pleading to be accepted as a slave. Mariners of Gor - Page 564
Rollo the Ax 20:30:33 pm CDT
no, galah.... Tarl/ Bosk set several women free at different times.. one of the wagon people runners went back to being a baker.... one of his house slave became his book-keeper..... and so on.....
Lita, Physician 20:30:47 pm CDT
*grinning and shoving the softest pillow across to the poor, exhausted Captain*
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:31:45 pm CDT
That is too true Mistress
Kyoto- 20:32:25 pm CDT
Didn't he re-enslave his book keeper?
Rollo the Ax 20:33:14 pm CDT
although for the book-keeper at least he did make her slave again years later...... I seem to remember that she wanted it so, but don't quote me on that point.....LOL...
Rollo the Ax 20:36:20 pm CDT
hazine.... ? Mariners of Gor ???
hazine{GS} 20:36:40 pm CDT
-hazine fell silent again, keeping her eyes low-
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:37:18 pm CDT
So love was regarded as a weakness.... Methinks they were far too concerned with maintaining the opinions of Others than living to satisfy Themselves
Rollo the Ax 20:37:50 pm CDT
A simple question, hazine... not a reproach ......
hazine{GS} 20:37:59 pm CDT
lol Jarl Rollo, hazine just found that
Kyoto- 20:38:46 pm CDT
That is ironic given that it is often stated how emotional Goreans are, how they are not afraid to feel things deeply.
Lita, Physician 20:39:58 pm CDT
Is Mariners of Gor one of the new books?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:42:29 pm CDT
It is book 30,
Rollo the Ax 20:42:30 pm CDT
Yes again....... Good ole JN tells us in one breath that a warrior can weep at the beauty of a flower or sunrise, but be scarred to show that he loves another human ?????? dumber than SHIT to my thinking.....
hazine{GS} 20:43:21 pm CDT
yes Mistress Lita, one of the last
Kyoto- 20:44:31 pm CDT
I seem to recall that the life of a love slave was harder by comparison to other slaves as the Master did not wish to be seen as coddling his girl, ergo, he treated her more harshly. She, in turn, relished this treatment as she understood the nature of the relationship.
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:44:36 pm CDT
"It is strange," he said, "I have faced sleen and the steel of fierce enemies. I am a warrior, and am high among warriors. Yet you, a mere girl, would conquer me with a smile and a tear." : (Slave Girl of GOR , page 424)
Rollo the Ax 20:44:51 pm CDT
Okay.... I stand corrected ..... I read the series for years up to #25 Magicians ... the newer books have not found their way into my hands yet.... I am OLD school Gor ...... LOL...
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:45:37 pm CDT
Yes Master Kyoto, but it a small price to pay for the love of such a man, she thinks
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:46:56 pm CDT
I agree with that thinking, Rollo.... again He was caught in trap of trying to justify what he wanted of be true,,, instead of seeing what was true
Lita, Physician 20:48:31 pm CDT
It strikes Me here that JN SAYS Men can weep ant the beauty of a flower or a sunrise, but I don't recall reading of them actually doing it.
Closest they came was Tarl appreciating the beauty of Koroba, "The Towers of the Morning"
hazine{GS} 20:48:33 pm CDT
"I am in favor of people being safe, healthy, happy, fulfilled, and so on. What makes people safe, healthy, happy, and fulfilled? That probably depends on the individuals involved. I think the test of “life consequences” is important here. I have no objection to individuals involving themselves in safe, healthy, happy, fulfilling Gorean relationships. Master/Slave sex, for example, can be emotionally and physically rewarding for both partners. I am not in favor of cruelty, to a slave no more than to any other animal. The slave is to be cherished, and know herself the belonging of her master. She exists to love and serve her master. She is not to be abused, but enjoyed. In the collar there are many rewards. The Gorean relation has nothing to do with hurting people. If it is not beautiful, it is not Gorean."
John Norman
Rollo the Ax 20:49:03 pm CDT
Back to the original starting point of this topic.... male slavery... anybody want to explain WHY a man would accept it and willingly take part in it ??????
Kyoto- 20:52:35 pm CDT
Hmm, forgot that was the topic... I suppose it could be said that since most ancient major societies are accounted for amongst Goreans, that a good sampling of people were taken. There are those that are homosexual and those who are not as aggressive as others. Take the Sames for example. Perhaps they did not wish to fight for their freedom?
Lita, Physician 20:50:21 pm CDT
I wish my boys were here. They might be able to have some insight
Rollo the Ax 20:52:52 pm CDT
I think, Lita that it was Tarl/Bosk most of the time that made such statements.... there is a quote from Dancer I think, but I don't deal in quotes most of the time......
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:53:06 pm CDT
snowrose has noticed that some of the males slave who have come through here still have a sense of male superiority...Not all, but a few
Kyoto- 20:53:45 pm CDT
Also, remember that some men were enslaved as a result of violating laws. They would not have done so of their own volition, hence why they were chained so heavily.
Kyoto- 20:53:45 pm CDT
Also, remember that some men were enslaved as a result of violating laws. They would not have done so of their own volition, hence why they were chained so heavily.
hazine{GS} 20:57:53 pm CDT
In the Gorean mindset, for a male to fall slave is an insult. Not only to his city and caste, but to his very sex. Gorean males would rather die than fall into chains. In some cities , including Ar, an unchained male slave is almost never seen; there are, incidentally, far fewer male slaves than female slaves; a captured female is almost invariably collared; a captured male is almost invariably put to the sword. - Assassin of Gor
hazine{GS} 20:58:21 pm CDT
Often times a male slave would be nothing but a criminal, a debtor or some other poor soul that finds himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. A male slave has little value and is often treated badly. When we see male slaves in the books, they are often doing the lowest of work, Many cities use male slaves for some of the more unpleasant labor in the cities, such as in the refuse pits or cleaning the public baths. Some slaves may pull wagons in teams. Most men work on chains with other slaves - Magicians of Gor
hazine{GS} 20:59:36 pm CDT
A slave is a slave in Gorean eyes, an animal. Something to be used for a particular task and how they are treated depends on that task. A female slave working in the house might be treated as a member of that household, a paga slut could find her true Master and be bought. A male slave is nothing but an animal and his tasks and status in Gorean society reflect that view much more clearly.
hazine{GS} 21:01:08 pm CDT
But most perhaps, incredible as it might seem, I feared that if I asked for a kindness, even a word or a gesture, it would be refused. Alone and slave, beaten and degraded, I found myself desperately in need of something, be it almost nothing, to indicate that I was a man, a human being, something that might, to some extent or degree, be worthing of respect or understanding. I think that if she, this proud woman, before whom I felt myself nothing, she my Mistress, if she had but cared to speak a word of simple kindness to me I might have cried out with gladness, willingly serving her in all things she asked. But if I should but beg a kindness, humbly, I feard it might be refused, that she might reject me in this as she had in all other things, my manhood and my humanity. And fused with this, excruciating in the pain of it, was my desire for her, the crying out of my blood that she had so, and deliberately, aroused. Raiders of Gor,
Kyoto- 21:01:38 pm CDT
What is that last quote from, hazine?
hazine{GS} 21:01:54 pm CDT
"She is a match for any man," said Alyena. Her eyes shone with prideI turned to the slave master. "Fetch a male slave," I said.
One was brought. He was not a large fellow. He was, however, an inch or so taller than the female slave.
"You certify to me," said I to the slave master, "that this man is neither clumsy nor stupid, nor drunk, nor an instructor in combat intent upon increasing the confidence of his pupils."
"It is so certified," he smiled. "He is used in cleaning the pens. He is a drover who falsified the quality-markings on spice crates."
I placed a copper tarn disk on the desk of the slave master.
"Fight," I said to the slaves.
"Fight," said the slave master.
The man looked puzzled. With a cry of rage, shrill and vicious, the female slave leapt toward him, slashing his across the face with the quirt. she struck him twice before he, angry, took the quirt from her and threw it aside.
"Do not anger me," her told her.
He turned and caught her kick on his left thigh. She leapt at him, fingers like claws, to tear out his eyes. He seized her wrists. He turned her about. She could not move. Then, with considerable force, as she cried out with misery, he flung her, the length of her body, belly front, against the stone wall. He then stepped back, jerked her ankles from under her and flung her to the stones, and knelt across her back. She wept and struck the stones with her fists. Then her halter was removed and her hands pulled behind her and bound with it.
He discarded her belt and the strips of leather. He removed her sandals. With one of the long, straplike laces, he crossed and bound her ankles. Then, angrily, he turned her collar, hurting her, with its ring, to the back.
With the other straplike lace, run through the ring and tied the binding on her ankles, her jerked her ankles up, high, fastening them there. The he crouched over her and she lay bound at his feet. He turned her head, looking over her tight shoulder, so that it faced him; he crouched so that she could not move; his right ankle was against her left cheek. He poised his thumbs, held downward, over her eyes.
"I am a woman at you mercy," she wept. "Please, Master, do not hurt me!"
He looked to the slave master. The slave master came to the woman lay. He looked down at her. He called tow slaves from behind the silver curtain.. They looked down at the woman. Then the slave master said, "Put her in slave silk, and give her to male slaves."
She was freed of the cord binding her ankles to her collar ring. She was jerked to her feet and held there; she could not stand by herself for her feet were still crossed and bound. "Who are the masters," asked the slave master of her.
The woman, hair before her face, held upright by men, looked to Alyena.. The woman trembled. "Men," she whispered. "Men are the masters."
"Tribesman of Gor"
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:01:54 pm CDT
It's much the same online...a female slave can have aspirations, hopes and dreams...not of freedom, but of finding her true Master. The males don't have as much hope
hazine{GS} 21:02:27 pm CDT
(was just thoughts is all Master Kyoto. she is sorry)
Kyoto- 21:03:21 pm CDT
Why are you apologizing for a valid point? I thought it was a quote.
hazine{GS} 21:03:49 pm CDT
yes Master
hazine{GS} 21:04:13 pm CDT
Male slaves, on Gor, are not particularly valuable, and do not command high prices. Most labor is performed by free men. Most commonly, males slaves are utilized on the cargo galleys, and in the mines, and on the great farms. Still, perhaps they are fortunate to have their lives, even at such a price. Males captured in war, or in the siezure of cylinders or villages, or in the pillaging of caravans, are commonly slain.. The female is the prize commodity in the Gorean slave markets. A high price for a male is a silver tarsk, but even a plain wench, of low caste, provided she moves well to the touch of the auctioneer's coiled whip, will bring as much, or more. An exception to the low prices for males generally is that paid for a certified woman's slave, a handsom male, silken clad, who has been trained to tend a woman's compartments. Some of such bring a price comparable to that brought by a girl, of average loveliness.
Hunters of Gor
Rollo the Ax 21:05:04 pm CDT
male slaves... by law or debt and such always had a chance to be set free... but the stigma usually followed them.....
galah{RA} 21:05:11 pm CDT
many great quotes hazine, thank you
hazine{GS} 21:05:43 pm CDT
Most Gorean slave girls are comely, or beautiful. This is easy to understand. It is almost always the better looking women who are taken for slaves, and, of course, in breeding slaves, it is commonly only the most beautful of female slaves who are used, these usually being crossed, hooded, with handsome male silk slaves, also hooded. The female offspring of these matings needless to say, are often exquisite.
The male offspring, incidentally, and interestingly, to my mind, are often handsome, strong and quite masculine.
This is perhaps because many male silk slaves are chosen to be male silk slaves not because they are weak or like women, but because they are not; it is only that they are men, and often true men, who must serve women, totally, in the same fashion that a slave female is expected to serve a free master.
To be sure, it is also true, and should be admitted in all honesty, that many male silk slaves are rather feminine; some women prefer this type, perhaps because they fear true men; from such a silk slave they need not fear that they may suddenly be turned upon, and tied, and taught to be women. Most women, however, after a time, find this type of silk slave a banality and a bore; charm and wit can be entertaining, but, in time, if not conjoined with intellect and true masculine power, they are likely to wear thin.
The feminine type of male silk slave, incidentally, for better or for worse, is seldom selected for breeding purposes. Gorean slave breeders, perhaps benighted in this respect, prefer what they take to be health to what they think of as sickness, and what they take to be strength to what they deem weakness. Some female slaves, incidentally, have a pedigreed lineage going back through several generations of slave matings, and their masters hold the papers to prove this. It is a felmony in Gorean law to forge or falsify such papers.
Many Gorean believe that all women are born for the collar, and that a woman cannot be truly fulfilled as a woman until a strong man puts it on her, until she finds herself reduced to her basic femaleness at his feet.
In the case of the bred female slave, of course, she has been legally and literally, in anyone's understanding, bred to the collar, and in a full commercial and economic sense, as a business speculation on the part of masters. The features most often selected for by the breeders are beauty and passion opposed to the pseudomasculine type of intelligence often found in women with large amounts of male hormones, is commonly linked, apparently genetically, with these two hitherto mentioned properties.
There are few male slaves with long pedigrees. Goreans, though recognizing the legal and economic legitimacy of male slavery, do not regard it as possessing the same biological sanction as attaches to female slavery. The natural situation, in the mind of many Goreans, is that the master set/slave relation is one which ideally exists between man and woman, with the woman in the property position. Male slaves, from time to tiem, can receive opportunities to win their freedom, though, to be sure, usually in situations of high risk and great danger. Such opportunities are never accorded to the female slave. She is totally helpless. If she is to receive her freedom it will be fully and totally, and only, by the decision of her master.
~Savages of Gor
Rollo the Ax 21:06:16 pm CDT
snowrose ....?? do you mean the male slaves or males in general ??
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:07:22 pm CDT
In other books, JN values female slaves much much lower. inconsistent
hazine{GS} 21:08:24 pm CDT
of course there were many types of male slaves too; field slaves, fighting slaves ( hazine thinks there were female fighting slaves too) galley slaves, seduction slaves, silk slaves, stable slaves, thralls and work slaves...
Kyoto- 21:09:24 pm CDT
I don't recall female fighting slaves, but my memory isn't all it was years ago.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:09:26 pm CDT
about hopes...she meant male slaves Master..as opposed to female slaves
galah{RA} 21:09:32 pm CDT
galah thinks JN contradicts himself often...guess that's why its hard to reach any consistency online, for something can be found to make it the way one wants it to be?
Rollo the Ax 21:10:05 pm CDT
We have already come to understand that good ole JN was all over the place with his thinking.... or maybe just his memory about what he had said before.... change idea, disagree with himself.... LOL.....
hazine{GS} 21:10:09 pm CDT
hazine does not agree with you mistress. why couldn't a male slave want to serve a Mistress or Master with the same devotion as a female slave? perhaps not as close sexually, but why not with as much love and adoration?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:11:38 pm CDT
she is not saying that He couldn't, but that His chances of finding it are much slimmer
hazine{GS} 21:14:22 pm CDT
perhaps mistress, but perhaps again it depends on where he is. cities would provide a much greater chance for him than say a tavern setting or being a thrall in Torvaldsland
Rollo the Ax 21:14:50 pm CDT
any male slave would want to do as good as he could to please a female Mistress ... but to a Master ??? here as where I have my problem.....
Kyoto- 21:14:54 pm CDT
Or worse, a slave in Klima
Kyoto- 21:16:34 pm CDT
"It was the brand of a male silk slave, a male pleasure slave, one whose purpose in life is to serve, and give exquisite, lengthy, intimate pleasures, upon demand, to women." --Raiders of Gor, page 40
hazine{GS} 21:16:47 pm CDT
agrees Jarl Rollo. hazine would think that they might rather wish to impress with hopes of freedom and perhaps to prove himself rather than to hope for love..just her silly thoughts
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:17:04 pm CDT
one of the quotes even says most males are put to the sword. Many are sold in huge lots and never come near a Mistress to sway Her
Rollo the Ax 21:17:50 pm CDT
For myself...... I can NOT understand why any MAN would choose slavery to death..... yea, yea, hope springs eternal I know... but to THIS old war dogs mind set DEATH is better......
hazine{GS} 21:18:24 pm CDT
chuckles..then again mistress snow, Free Women weren't too fond of female slaves either for obvious reasons. Especially those of the North
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:18:48 pm CDT
smiles I am with you Rollo,, Death before dishonor
hazine{GS} 21:19:30 pm CDT
a very individual choice she would suspect Jarl Rollo
Rollo the Ax 21:20:57 pm CDT
But in the North, the rolls or maybe the work and such of both free woman and slave were much the same.... not like the Southern cities.... the North was a much more rough and unforgiving place to make a life......
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:21:39 pm CDT
now she disagrees with hazine...she doesn't think the Northern slaves are any more attractive or sexy.
galah{RA} 21:21:51 pm CDT
the north was the urthen image of the wild west Master?
Rollo the Ax 21:22:51 pm CDT
LOL...LOL... Rollo wears the words in Runic on his body in RT .... I swore an oath to myself as a young warrior that I would NEVER be taken POW..... better to die on your feet than to serve an your knees.....
hazine{GS} 21:23:49 pm CDT
aye Jarl Rollo, but the Free Women of the North resented the bonds more than the Free Women of the South. They were more free in their sexuality etc, bold and brazen. Quite a bit less tame than kajira
mistress snow... hazine never said Northern slaves were more attractive or sexy...
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:23:53 pm CDT
Rudyard Kipling comment on such Rollo ,, in his poem ,, written the last time the British were in Afghanistan
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:25:52 pm CDT
she meant there was less difference in dress and manner in the North...while silk slaves are pure sex appeal, no matter how hard they work..they have to be, because they are really less needed
Rollo the Ax 21:26:36 pm CDT
no galah..... the Viking lands... Norway, Sweden, etc.... VERY little workable land and hard weather..... that is why they took to raiding and looting....... the name * Viking * really means to go a * viking * which means travel away from home looking for better land, wealth, * stuff * in general..... LOL..
hazine{GS} 21:29:01 pm CDT
hazine disagrees with you mistress. Bondmaids were brazen and bold. climbing up into the laps of the Jarls, pulling sluts from the laps of Men to make themselves look more appealing. Serving from table tops, stripping their kirtles from their bodies, regardless of women present. although they were often told to 'kirtle their shame' but more often than not, Free Women did not enter the Great Halls of the Men
hazine{GS} 21:29:56 pm CDT
aye galah.. the Men of Torvaldsland prayed to Odin and Thor ( just like in the Norse Mythology)
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:30:16 pm CDT
yes hazine
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:33:06 pm CDT
~keeps the writing stick poised~
hazine{GS} 21:33:39 pm CDT
lol shuts up again
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:36:01 pm CDT
if note then I am closing forum,, I need to attend to RT myself.. I wish all here well
Kyoto- 21:36:25 pm CDT
Be well, my brother
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:36:36 pm CDT
Thank You Master Sandman
she thanks Master Rollo and flicka in absentia
hazine{GS} 21:37:13 pm CDT
take care Master Sandman
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:37:46 pm CDT
thank you for scribing pretty snowrose
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:40:47 pm CDT
~The little kajira rolls up the scroll~