Present:
Sandman
Dak
Bretval
Lita
snowrose
shimmer
ruby
galah
marieve
flicka
Dak 19:36:47 pm CDT
if anyone has a topic, whisper to Me, and I will open the forum
Dak 19:41:42 pm CDT
I HAVE TOPIC, I WILL OPE THE fORUM, SAME RULES KEEP CHT CHAT AND GREETINGS TO WHIPERS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SCRIBE,
FIRST TOPIC
Laws
Legalities
Quotes For This Week
"More broadly, order and structure in human life, stability in society, even, in a sense, civilization itself, depends on sanctions. A civilization must be willing to impose sanctions, and to impose them reliably and efficiently. A lapse in such resolve and practice is a symptom of decline, even of impending disintegration. Ultimately civilization depends upon power, moral and physical, upon, so to speak, the will of masters and the reality of the whip and sword." ---Magicians of Gor, p.124
Questions
1) How do you view the laws of Gor?
2) Do you in play mention the laws if a situation were to arise?
3) Some laws are muddy while others clear ie... Free Women without veils in some cities, but if she were to show too much flesh then she could be enslaved.
4) What is too much? Follow up question does the avi of the player also represent to you how they dress?
5) Last question is there a law that you wish to know more about?
flicka-slave of Keeper 19:46:06 pm CDT
Well as a bondsmaid, the Laws do not really relate to flicka, she only has two laws she must obey. Obey all Free Persons and obey her Jarl above all else, even Other Free Persons.
shimmer{GS~t~} 19:46:25 pm CDT
shimmy has not seen any really breaking rules on gor here and has never seen any inappropriate avies especially for FW now other places yes avi's are a huge problem.
Bretval, Merchant 19:47:12 pm CDT
I found some of the laws interesting ... particularly concerning the laws of the property of the slaves... 30m day and all claim on a stolen slave is gone no matter what it had cost!
marieve {GS}~t 19:47:39 pm CDT
The rules of Gor are in place to give Our society structure, the same said for Gorean Shores. As a slave there are rules that apply only to the kajirae. One needs to read the Council Decisions frequently so one knows all the rules and abides by them.
ruby~{Randolph} 19:48:59 pm CDT
a girl has but one law..her Master Law..there is no negociation of His will..to think otherwise would be a grave error indeed
Lita, Physician 19:49:30 pm CDT
Bretval, that is only if the slave is not recovered within a certain time period, to My understanding. And in Port Kar, with it's Caste of Thieves, it would probably be pretty difficult to recover them in time.
Lita, Physician 19:50:12 pm CDT
But if you kill Another's slave, you need only pay the Owner the 2 coppers her dead body is worth, regardless of her cos t and training, etc.
Bretval, Merchant 19:52:19 pm CDT:
Exactly, Lita, 30 days... not long for a slave like Doreen/Tuka who cost 5 silvers
Bretval, Merchant 19:54:30 pm CDT
Better to one kill then get caught stealing one...
Dak 19:59:18 pm CDT
one think I noticed each place had their own rules, and for the most part the rules were for slaves were pretty consistent!
Lita, Physician 20:00:09 pm CDT
I have been lucky with my avatars. sorcha likes to work with green, and few wear green, so she has made most of mine. aura made one, and a few others, and they are all very proper, thank goodness.
marieve {GS}~t 20:00:26 pm CDT
Gorean shores is very consistent about the rules for slaves.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:04:46 pm CDT
well flicka's icons are always the epitome of decorum.
Bretval, Merchant 20:04:49 pm CDT
I would assume the rules would vary to some amount based on what area of Gor the site relates to... difference between the desert and the far north
Bretval, Merchant 20:09:10 pm CDT
the rules about slaves are pretty standard... do as told or your Master may earn two coppers
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:10:06 pm CDT
in my time here I have never seen a FW dressed improperly
ruby~{Randolph} 20:12:16 pm CDT
Master Bretval
with due respect..most personally owned slaves..have a restriction..to not kill ones property, nor permanently scar a girl, thus reducing value
galah{GS} 20:12:29 pm CDT
on urth, cattle stealing is still a hanging offense, so certainly there would be some value in a slave if she was killed? **shrugs**
Bretval, Merchant 20:13:04 pm CDT
I have mentioned the laws/rules as they apply to Gorean Shores... on occasion ...
Lita, Physician 20:14:32 pm CDT
The books specifically say that if One kills An other's slave, He has only to pay her Owner the two coppers her dead body is worth.
Lita, Physician 20:16:10 pm CDT
And as far as on urth, Cattle stealing is apparently not a hanging offense if One is the Government harassing some poor rancher who has grazed his cattle on public land for 130 years.
ruby~{Randolph} 20:17:10 pm CDT
yes Mistress Lit a ..of course Your word is true..per the books
however at GS..this one believes..a Master would honor a pleadged Brothers wish
galah{GS} 20:17:26 pm CDT
would Mistress be so kind as to let us know which book and which reference please?
Bretval, Merchant 20:18:11 pm CDT
Within the roleplay that applies, ruby... in Gorean Shores... *shrug* two coppers are those of the rules in the books and I have no idea abut the rules in other sites
Lita, Physician 20:18:22 pm CDT
ruby, I would assume a pledged Master would not be killing the slave of a pledged Brother without His consent.
ruby~{Randolph} 20:19:36 pm CDT
aye Mistress Lita ..agrees fully
galah{GS} 20:19:46 pm CDT
as far as GS slaves, it use to be that a slave could be caged or put to the post but not killed, has that changed recently?
Lita, Physician 20:20:20 pm CDT
falah, I lost my books and my ability to do a word search in them when my old computer died, plus all the files I had on it , so I cannot give you the reference, but you are free to search it yourself if you like
galah{GS} 20:21:07 pm CDT
gal did witness a gs slave being thrown into the canal for the urts but that was long long ago, and it was the Captains doing so to their own property
Bretval, Merchant 20:21:10 pm CDT
Only a Captain can... terminate... a slave in Gorean Shores
Lita, Physician 20:21:18 pm CDT
not that I know of, galah. My understanding is the rule until her Owner can be contacted to determine punishment.
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:23:12 pm CDT
aye Bretval the Council is the final arbiter of Death in GS... the Captains of old didn't want idiots flying thru the air ninja style and killing folks
Lita, Physician 20:23:47 pm CDT
Good idea, Captain Sandman
galah{GS} 20:24:33 pm CDT
and that would just be for the GS chain Master Bretval? for each personal slave would be at their own Masters whim
Bretval, Merchant 20:25:13 pm CDT
But that is why we must be careful to differentiate between the books and role play... some rules just cannot make the jump between the two
galah{GS} 20:26:31 pm CDT
even the hired killing by an assassin must be judicated through the council, or it use to be so, not sure how rules have changed
marieve {GS}~t 20:26:41 pm CDT
Very true Master Bretval. The slave restrictions give direction from Those with personally owned slaves
Bretval, Merchant 20:26:55 pm CDT
*g* As one did a couple of years age... as I recall Lita was the one being killed
Lita, Physician 20:28:46 pm CDT
*laughs* Ah, yes. HOw does it feel to be attended by a Physician Who is a ghost?
ruby~{Randolph} 20:30:04 pm CDT
yes Master Bretval..Your words are insightful.~s~
what has been mentioned..imho..is Honor..Honor to ones Home, thus the Pledged Free..the Honor of Caste.
Bretval, Merchant 20:31:54 pm CDT
Of course it would be up to the Owner to decide whether or not He wants one of His slave... but only He can do so according to our rules... as you said , galah, all we can do is cage or whipping post... I bow to Captain on whether or not He could kill a personally owned slave... but it would be rude in My opinion
Dak 20:32:29 pm CDT
if anyone is interested, I have another topic
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:32:59 pm CDT
~smothers a giggle at Master Bretval's last line
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:33:36 pm CDT
I don't think any Captain would kill a personally owned slave,, if they were displeasing they would be caged to be dealt with by their Owner
ruby~{Randolph} 20:33:59 pm CDT
listens to the Senior Captain..re the killing or maiming a personlly owned slave
Lita, Physician 20:34:33 pm CDT
of course, Dak-.
galah{GS} 20:35:02 pm CDT
many differences between the world of gor in the books and online, cause even if a slave...or a free for that matter is killed online, they just return as a new person, new name, start all over again...that would not have been the case in the books, dead was dead
ruby~{Randolph} 20:35:08 pm CDT
whew..wipes beads of sweat from her brow..dark eyes twinkle to Master Sandman
Bretval, Merchant 20:35:36 pm CDT
That was also My thought on the matter, Captain...
Dak 20:36:28 pm CDT
ok, new topic ,
11.Slave Girl of Gor, Pg. 125
Suddenly, angrily, I kicked her.
She cried out, startled. I stood straight, as though I had done nothing. The soldier with the coffle, who was gathering jewelry into a scarf from various coffers in the tent, pretended that he had not noticed my action. Masters do not much interfere in the squabbles of slaves. Let them impose their owninternal order among themselves. On the other hand, they would not approve if one slave seriously injured or marked, or reduced in value,another. That would be serious, and not tolerated.
the question is when and where does the Free draw the line between slave squabbles?
Lita, Physician 20:37:26 pm CDT
galah, years ago when I first came to on-line Gor, you did not do that. As a matter of Honor, if your character was killed, you left on-line Gor never to return.
galah{GS} 20:37:37 pm CDT
when it annoys the Free?
marieve {GS}~t 20:38:11 pm CDT
The Free don't want to be involved with slave squabbles. This is a responsibility of the first girl.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:38:47 pm CDT
what galah said?
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:39:22 pm CDT
flicka would think that a Free Person would not care about minor squabbles between slaves, as long as, as the quote says, they do not "damage" each other, unless, that is it annoys the Free Person. Thou shall not permit an annoying slave to continue to annoy.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:39:31 pm CDT
Sometimes girls go over the head of the fg.
ruby~{Randolph} 20:39:52 pm CDT
when the Captains or Pledged Frees property are put in bodily peril..that slave squabble must firmly be addressed
galah{GS} 20:39:53 pm CDT
yes Mistress, those with Honor feel that way....but gal knows of many that just started new characters, gal would never get away with that, she thinks her ways are to noticeable, she thinks she wouldn't want to do so anyways, her slaveheart would be dead in any case so she may as well crawl off and be done with it
Lita, Physician 20:40:00 pm CDT
When the squabble reached the point where it annoyed the Free, or, as you said, when it got to the point where the slave might be injured and/or reduced in value. It was pretty much up to the Master when and if He felt like intervening.
galah{GS} 20:42:06 pm CDT
not necessarily marieve, for if the squabble was between a gs slave and a personal slave...the fg could not punish the personal slave, only take it to the girls Master, and then he would certainly be annoyed
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:42:16 pm CDT
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Bretval, Merchant 20:43:17 pm CDT
I would say that if one slave permanently maims/injured or disfigures another that has gone over the line... all else is transitory
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:43:22 pm CDT
~waits with baited breath for Master Sandman's words~
galah{GS} 20:44:29 pm CDT
fg is only responsible for the chain, and then if needed, she can wield a willow and beat the girls as long as she didn't leave permanent marks...when gal was fg, she only once had to whip a girl
marieve {GS}~t 20:45:05 pm CDT
Aye, galah. mistress snowrose is the first working up the chain of command and would be informed first and foremost. She would of course inform the girl's Master and discipline the gs slave.
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:45:31 pm CDT
snorts as I see flicka raising an eyebrow slave squabbling is displeasing, but the level of punishment would be meted out commensurate to fit the offense
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:47:25 pm CDT
~chortling~ ah it is good to hear Your words Master Sandman, flicka is relieved that the punishment should fit the crime. ~sweet smile~ flicka in that case will never receive more than an admonitory pat on the head.
Cause, flicka is a good girl.
shimmer{GS~t~} 20:47:32 pm CDT
shimmy is very confused and that is one of shimmys worries now.. shimmy spends alot of time alone that often she plays with the kettle slaves.. some shimmy gets along with and some shimmy does not.. due to this last weeks punishment shimmy is not wondering should she stop playing with the kettle slaves.. and such she does not know what is allowed for her to do with the kettle slaves now and what is not.
marieve {GS}~t 20:49:31 pm CDT
marieve is unaware that there are permanent kettle slave, shimmy. The tasks fall to all those doing chores unless one is being punished by being a kettle slave.
Bretval, Merchant 20:49:43 pm CDT
of course a squabble could be ended by a master grabbing them by the collars and lifting them into the air... when they passed out from lack of oxygen .. fight over
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:49:43 pm CDT
snowrose thinks that playing with imaginary figures is better done in the roleplay room, other than a passing reference to one now and then..
galah{GS} 20:50:13 pm CDT
**she scratches her head** so shimmy, are you referring to a NPC? a character that is not really there and interacting with you? gal knows that NPC was done away with long ago?
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:50:46 pm CDT
marieve, flicka thinks that shimmer is referring to a role playing kettle slave, just as there are not really any urts in the Tavern, and yet Jarl Keeper often cleaves an urt in two.
Lita, Physician 20:51:48 pm CDT
In the books, many First Girls were given a slave goad. similar to an electric cattle prod, and allowed to use it at will. And there was one case, in a Wagon Camp I think, where a Master inquired of the first girl about a certain slave, and the fg said the girl was in the tent, being punished. The Master asked why, and the FG said the slave annoyed her. The Master asked if the FG whipped the girl. The FG said yes, and the Master said, "Good. There must be peace within the tent"
galah{GS} 20:52:08 pm CDT
NPC was only to be done in the Port Kar room, or use to be anyways....gal knows that some girls think the tavern is always full of ppl and work their way around them to get to the one they serve, but to galah, if no one is in the tavern, then its empty...is this wrong way to think of it?
marieve {GS}~t 20:52:50 pm CDT
flicka, the urts do make their present known as we can all attest to.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:54:01 pm CDT
That is how snowrose has always done it galah...the tavern and other rooms are our reality, the PK room for fantasy. yes, she knows that sounds crazy, but it's real to her
galah{GS} 20:54:04 pm CDT
well, gal thinks urts or hinti's are different than having persons....or non persons in this case...would be good if it could be clarified here at the forum
marieve {GS}~t 20:54:11 pm CDT
Aye galah. How would we get any chores done if the tavern isn't empty.
shimmer{GS~t~} 20:55:26 pm CDT
see when shimmy thinks of a tavern it would have guards in it it would have kettle slaves fixing food and keeping the fires going that is why she gets confused so is the tavern not a r/p room? is it only to be serving food and drinks and dancing and all other r/p should be in the port Kar room sorry shimmy is very confused as yes shimmy uses [NPC} often in her r/p.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:55:31 pm CDT
galah, flicka thinks you have put it in a nutshell. This girl has never pretended that there are Patrons in the Tavern Who are not really there.
So, flicka will confine any "alone" interaction with non existent people to the Port Kar room, that room is under utilized.
ruby~{Randolph} 20:55:47 pm CDT
nods to mistress..makes perfect sense to ruby ~s~
Lita, Physician 20:56:02 pm CDT
marieve, if you notice, in a restaurant, the staff still manage to clean the floors, tables, etc., even when the restaurant is busy. when one table is vacated they clean it and sweep around it, or mop if necessary, before seating a new party. Slave can do the same.
Bretval, Merchant 20:57:11 pm CDT
I'm in agreement with you, galah... we will not impress visitors by talking to or playing with ourselves
Lita, Physician 20:58:15 pm CDT
I would think that when there are a number of folks in the Tavern, but all have been served a slave could and should play out cleaning vacant tables, etc. It provides for more activity, which makes the room m ore attractive.
marieve {GS}~t 20:59:18 pm CDT
Personally marieve doesn't have time to play with even with her chain. She is always busy with chores, serves and creating dance customs.
Lita, Physician 21:00:48 pm CDT
I think making the tavern a place only for serving and dancing and offer to serve makes it boring.
Dak 21:02:24 pm CDT
what else would you have them to do in the Tavern, Lady ?
galah{GS} 21:02:50 pm CDT
gal thinks that if there are many slaves and only one or two free and they are served, then obviously the other slaves should be doing something, not twiddling their thumbs, but gal has always said, there is more to serving and being found pleasing than to serve drinks...if one is entertaining the free by being funny or silly, and making them laugh, then galah has truly served her very best
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:03:25 pm CDT
flicka spends a lot of time alone in the Tavern, this is due to the time differences between where she is and the popular times in GS. Flicka's Jarl has ordered her to make the most of these times by catching up on the scribes work. A girl remains in the Tavern and posts on a regular basis in the hope that someone, not necessarily a GS Patron or slave will come in and flicka can "sell" our home to them.
Bretval, Merchant 21:03:39 pm CDT
True enough, Lita... but only applies when the Tavern is busy...
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:04:38 pm CDT
snowrose teases flicka now and then with a spider...and loves to see how flicka responds. reaction she writes herself would be boring to her..
[note to self:...think she saw some spiders in the rafters]
Lita, Physician 21:04:42 pm CDT
If no one is in need of service, Dak, they can stoke the fires, re-fill the kettles, sweep the floors, put out urt traps, go to the kitchen and cook something. The activities that would go on in any Taver or eating. place. Wash dishes, fold and put away towels, any number of things.
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:06:39 pm CDT
like galah, flicka thinks there is more to making a Free Person happy than serving or doing chores.
We come into GS to be entertained, and each of us has a different way of it.
galah{GS} 21:06:42 pm CDT
and can make those chores fun too....gal can have a great time dealing with wood on the fire and warming her bum...doesn't need to be mundane to get the job done hehehehehee
Bretval, Merchant 21:07:19 pm CDT
Amusing the patrons should be added to Lita's list, galah *g* we all need to laugh
shimmer{GS~t~} 21:07:37 pm CDT
will do chores and such and just not involve the kettle slaves in the chores again.. now she knows.. not use them in her chores and shimmy never used then when the tavern was busy only in down times and when doing chores.. but she will stop doing them at all now.
Dak 21:07:40 pm CDT
I see it is after 9pm, I will call the Forum to a close, and thank all for coming and participation ,
thanks ruby for scribing
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:08:03 pm CDT
conversation is considered being in service, entertaining the Free
galah{GS} 21:08:28 pm CDT
as long as your painting a picture in the Free persons head about what you are doing, and if its entertaining them, they certainly aren't going to punish you for that, or one would think not, although it is the risk we take
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:08:35 pm CDT
~stifling a little scream, disciplining herself as mistress snowrose holds that dreaded eight legged monster~ mistress, look into the rafters you will see that your little gift is still up there, no way, no way will flicka ever be enticed up that ladder again.
Bretval, Merchant 21:09:39 pm CDT
A good forum Dak... well done
Thank you for scribing, flicka
galah{GS} 21:09:50 pm CDT
**claps excitedly at the mistress** right on mistress!!!!!
shimmer{GS~t~} 21:10:11 pm CDT
thank you for leading Master Dak and thank you for scribing flicka smiles
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:10:14 pm CDT
flicka has been a good girl, so snowrose will vanquish the spiders
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:10:26 pm CDT
Thank You Master Dak for convening forum.
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:10:54 pm CDT
thank you for running forum Dak and for scribing pretty flicka
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:11:00 pm CDT
Thank You for leading Master Dak
thank you, flicka for scribing
Dak 21:11:16 pm CDT
thanks for scribing, flick
galah{GS} 21:12:47 pm CDT
just to top it off, being forum and can speak freely, or so it is said....gal thinks we all have the love of gor, but at days end, we are all here by choice, even the slaves pay there money and time to be here...the time is spent to enjoy common ground with others that think alike, and to have fun, otherwise, why be here...gal at one point spent wayyyyyyyyyyy to much time crying behind this screen and when she come home here, she said that wasn't gonna happen anymore