GOREAN MEN & LOVE SLAVES?
Xertog 19:24:42 pm CDT
FIRST TOPIC:
Gorean Master caring for His slave, does a Gorean Master lose His edge if He loves His slave?
Ramses 19:25:32 pm CDT
Xertog, the potential certainly exists, but I do not think it automatic
sen 19:25:42 pm CDT
in sen's personal opinion if a Master truly loves His slave, He simply gets more strict with her. So nope, doesn't lose His edge.
Laroona 19:26:41 pm CDT
it is often written a Gorean Man can and does have a love slave
care about slaves they are mere animals in the eyes of most
Cavy 19:27:30 pm CDT
ok its open for opinion here some Free might see it as a form of weakness showing kindness to His property
Ramses 19:27:35 pm CDT
I'm not sure its an automatic that He will become more strict either, sen
I think it depends if He truly understand the nature of salver and Mastery
and even then, I think there is a risk of "letting things slide"
Laroona 19:27:50 pm CDT
the question also could be
does he lose his edge in the eyes of another who may for example be harsher or even discipline his love slave
Xertog 19:28:38 pm CDT
There are is a lot said especially in Nomads of Gor that only a fool lets himself care too much for a slave. But the same men ended up doing so.
desiree 19:29:45 pm CDT
just random thoughts here...but if there are feelings i.e. love involved..would the Master not have a higher expectation of His slave than one that He does not care for?
sen 19:29:48 pm CDT
not automatic..no, though sen simply thinks that leash gets a bit tighter and more comfortable for the slave because she knows where she belongs. However, it's a double edge sword for either one.
Laroona 19:30:17 pm CDT
Ramses well said *S*
often it can bee seen as a weakeness when a male does let things slide
as it could be seen as who is topping who the slave or the master
Cavy 19:30:44 pm CDT
I myself had a comment said to Me only in jest but made none the less...about showing weakness allowing nassy to have a treat here
Ramses 19:30:58 pm CDT
Xertog, it is the natural outcome I think of a strong M/s relationship, but fraught with dangers
Kristian 19:36:40 pm CDT
test
sen 19:36:35 pm CDT
There are many kind of Masters, with sen's personal experience the stricter the Master the happier the slave.
Cavy 19:36:11 pm CDT
well to try and answer your question....I Myself do have a higher expectation yes....Im pushing carrie and nassy as you well know...Im strict as hell with them but doesnt mean I dont care for them because I would be lying if denied that
Ramses 19:35:35 pm CDT
I guess I am just not so certain about all Masters
Ramses 19:33:58 pm CDT
I think it depends on the Master, sen
sen 19:31:32 pm CDT
sen doesn't think anything gets slid though if she is a true love slave.
Cavy 19:37:21 pm CDT
sen define what you call strict pls
desiree 19:37:28 pm CDT
again..random thoughts here...but is there truly a right way and a wrong way for a Gorean Master?
Wouldn't it be what works right for each Master?
Just because something works for One does not mean that it would work for another...BUT with that said...it does not mean that one Master is wrong and One right?
Ramses 19:38:14 pm CDT
nodding .... not so random des, and very true, actually
sen 19:38:31 pm CDT
Simply hard to explain, Master in all truth. A tight leash sen used to have, that made her the happiest of slave there was. it's just hard to explain, don't think she could begin
Ramses 19:38:41 pm CDT
nodding ..in general I;d have to agree sen
Xertog 19:40:05 pm CDT
desiree every relationship is different there are no cookie cutter relationships.
rya{GS} t 19:40:30 pm CDT
it makes sense sen ... ~nods~
Ramses 19:41:12 pm CDT
it does makes sense sen, but the Master has to truly understand that
if not ... the risk is there that He might change if those emotions work against His better judgment
desiree 19:41:22 pm CDT
~smiles~ thank You Master Xertog - so should the same not apply to Gorean Master/slave relationships?
Cavy 19:42:10 pm CDT
but sen then again does anyone outside of the Master/slave relationship truly know what is going on behind the scene it may seem from the outside the Master is soft with His.....but it could be that the slave is following the wishes of her Master to the letter that He doesnt need to punish in the open.....not because He is soft but the girl may be scared shitless of dissapointing Him
Ramses 19:42:41 pm CDT
des, isn't the question though, more about the relationship changing? regardless of what the "baseline" looked like?
Laroona :43:42 pm CDT
From the Central Fire
"Many Gorean men, in their vanity, will not admit to caring for slaves. Even the thought of it, it seems, would embarrass them. Who would care for a meaningless slut in a collar? Yet, too often, for just such women, luscious and helpless, and in bondage, men are prepared to kill. Indeed, more than one war on Gor has been fought to recover a single slave.”
Dancer of Gor, page 421
desiree 19:44:13 pm CDT
des thinks that all relationship must change...grow hopefully in order for a relationship to survive...
if the Master demands more of His girl...the girl will have to grow in order to serve her Master accordingly...
Xertog 19:44:18 pm CDT
desiree I think it does. I have owned 5 girls, they were all different. Keeps life interesting
sen 19:44:49 pm CDT
Then in truth Master, should others really judge others relationships? sen means, how many times have you pulled a ratty dusty old book out and you opened it and it was the best story you ever read? sen could care less what it might appear on the outside, if someone has a problem and calls that Master weak, maybe the Master should prove it or let it roll off His back. Just because something looks like it's one thing, doesn't mean it is.
Laroona 19:45:41 pm CDT
"Preposterous," said Samos. "She is only a slave, only a thing to serve, and to beat and abuse, if it should please me." "But is not any slave," I asked, "even a love slave?" "That is true," said Samos, smiling. Gorean men are not easy with their slaves, even those for whom they care deeply.”
Explorers of Gor, page 14
Cavy 19:46:09 pm CDT
thats exactly what Im saying sen
Ramses 19:47:52 pm CDT
nodding in complete agreement with sen
Laroona 19:49:02 pm CDT
((if any have not added their name to tags please do so for the sake of the scribes C&ping)))
yes I forgot after I was dumped LOL
Laroona 19:54:11 pm CDT
I think the quote from Dancers can or cannot be taken in context of the topic...
to me it shows a man could be considered weak if he shows emotion and on the other hand it shows why he would care
how I have interpreted the quote from Dancers
Ramses 19:54:48 pm CDT
Laroona, I have to agree
Laroona 19:55:30 pm CDT
that was the quote I was looking for when I got rudely dumped LOL
sen 19:56:18 pm CDT
But yet, it is not weak for a Gorean Man to show emotion. So showing emotion is or isn't weak? A Gorean Man can cry and it's not weak, so if there's a line? Is there? or isn't there? It just comes back to, you truly shouldn't judge period
Laroona 19:58:29 pm CDT
sen it is rather complicated huh
I agree one also should be judged on ones actions or words
after all Free judge slaves on their actions or words
Laroona 19:59:25 pm CDT
reposting the topic for late comers
Xertog 19:24:42 pm CDT
FIRST TOPIC:
Gorean Master caring for His slave, does a Gorean Master lose His edge if He loves His slave?
nara {GS}~t 19:59:31 pm CDT
Weakness is an opinion. Like the word pretty, or ugly, it cannot be defined. Not really. No Gorean Master could be classified as weak by showing emotion. It is their choice, their actions. And nara doesn't believe anyone has the right to accuse another of being weak. What would they base it on? Their personal opinion? And how is that valid to anyone by themselves?
sen 20:00:19 pm CDT
The thing is Mistress, sen can't think how any can say hey..that Man over there's weak. If you think so, challenge Him in a spar and then find out definitely who the weakest one is. But because they show emotion, because ANY show emotion doesn't consider them weak at all. It proves that, amazingly enough there's a heart. Everyone will perceive different things as weakness, but if you think one is weak..then simply challenge them.
Laroona 20:01:01 pm CDT
nara well said
it could be said a newcomer to Gor and GS with little knowledge could be considered weak through their very lack of knowledge
Laroona 20:01:54 pm CDT
LOL sen exactly
one may find that one is far superior in the sands *S*
Ramses 20:02:45 pm CDT
nara, thats true ... but in reality we are all going to have opinions of strength or weakness that will color our interactions
Ulrich 20:02:49 pm CDT
Strength/weakness just like beauty/ugliness are subjective. It all depends on who is looking at it and their perspective.
Cavy 20:03:47 pm CDT
maybe the Master showing emotion to His slave is strength in itself...
Laroona 20:04:48 pm CDT
Cavy as the quotes in the books say it also could be a weakness
and only an emotion clouded by beauty
caitlin stinky feet 20:04:48 pm CDT
does it not show strength for a Gorean Male to show emotion in front of His peers? does that in itself not show that He has strength not to hide behind a façade
Ulrich 20:05:06 pm CDT
It could be Cavy. It all depends on Ones perspective.
On one hand, he has the strength to "go against the grain".
On the other, someone may look at him as being controlled by his emotions over his slave.
Again, it's all one's perspective.
Ramses 20:05:43 pm CDT
thats the crux of the issue, Laroona ..in my opinion at least
Xertog 20:06:08 pm CDT
Perhaps a man that is secure in who he is doesn't worry about showing how he may feel.
Ulrich's}shadow~t 20:08:21 pm CDT
shadow would think a true Gorean Man could careless what others thought anyway..
Laroona 20:08:28 pm CDT
Another to chew on from the Central Fire
"Do some men care for their slaves," I asked, "just a little?" "Some men care for them much more than a little," he said. "Even natural slaves?" I asked. "Those are the best sort," he said. “
Kajira of Gor, page 436
xXx~Warrior~of Port~Kar~ 20:08:30 pm CDT
I do not think a Master would lose his edge if he loves his slave. I love my home and it does not mean I have lose my edge. If anything I think it would make my edge sharper cause I would do anything to protect it. I am using home as an example. ~L~ What I am saying is a Master will protected what he loves.
Ramses 20:08:37 pm CDT
nodding ...very true shadow
Cavy 20:08:49 pm CDT
ok Ill go with that Laroona.....but then think of this..I love My partner in r/t and openly show it does that mean Im a weak Man...I think not Im far from that so why cant the same rules apply here?
Laroona 20:09:56 pm CDT
that quote begs the question
what is a natural slave?
some I have seen some I have not LOL
Laroona 20:11:13 pm CDT
Blade IMO any Gorean should always put their home before anything *S*
Ramses 20:12:05 pm CDT
not so simple, sen *S*
Laroona 20:13:02 pm CDT
LOL exactly sen
it is always in the eyes of the beholder *S*
~xXx~Warrior~of Port~Kar~ 20:13:06 pm CDT
Well that is a given. But my point is Loving something does not take anything away. If anything it makes a person stronger.
sen 20:13:54 pm CDT
Exactly, so sen doesn't see how anyone can pen down and say -this- is weakness and -this- is not. Yanno? Each Man, each Woman is going to have a different thing that classifies something as weak or not. It's going to go around and around and around and around and everyone's going to get dizzy and fall down.
~grin~
Laroona 20:14:52 pm CDT
an example a mother loves her child no matter how ugly it may seem to others
~xXx~Warrior~of Port~Kar~ 20:16:33 pm CDT
Well if one of the parents aren't ugly I would be wondering who she has been sleeping around with. ~LOL~
Laroona 20:17:03 pm CDT
LOL Blade for sure it would be one ...... trails off
Xertog 20:18:17 pm CDT
LOL.. With Blade's post I'd say this topic has run its course.. Send me new topic suggestions.
~xXx~Warrior~of Port~Kar~ 20:20:15 pm CDT
Its Laroona's fault to topic got off course. ~LOL~
sen 20:20:25 pm CDT
It's the milk man!
Ramses 20:20:51 pm CDT
*chuckling*
~xXx~Warrior~of Port~Kar~ 20:21:16 pm CDT
sen I was thinking the Maytag repair man. Needs something to do. ~LOL~
Laroona 20:21:26 pm CDT
Blade was not it was your fault
sen it was the Postman LOL
sen 20:22:33 pm CDT
No no no no no, sen's got it! It was that sexy repairman that always has his crack showing.
Thron diamond 20:22:50 pm CDT
*giggles*
~xXx~Warrior~of Port~Kar~ 20:23:32 pm CDT
Ohhh sen ya mean the one with the red lace thong. ~LMAO~
Laroona 20:24:04 pm CDT
laughing sen you are badddddddddddddddddddd LOL
got to love you though LOL
sen 20:24:26 pm CDT
With the pretty little polka dots on it, Master.
~nodding fast~
Yup that's the one.
sen 20:24:41 pm CDT
~sniffle~
sen is gooooooooooooood, not bad.
desiree 20:25:10 pm CDT
~shivers~ @ the visual of the polka dotted thong...
there will be nightmares about tonight!
Thron diamond 20:26:10 pm CDT
thinks i missed something
galah{GS} 20:28:24 pm CDT
greetings, gal can't remember her password for its been sooooooooo long **soft sigh as she offers a bright smile to those she has missed soooooooooo much**
Xertog 20:30:40 pm CDT
galah it is good to see you back in Gorean Shores.
Anybody have a new topic?
Ramses 20:32:04 pm CDT
it appears not Xertog
Laroona 20:32:04 pm CDT
drats cannot pluck any feathers form galah as she is plucked already heeee
hey there galah *S*
Ramses 20:32:04 pm CDT
it appears not Xertog
galah{GS} 20:32:25 pm CDT
thank you Mistress Laroona **warm smile** gal has missed you soooooo much
Laroona 20:33:52 pm CDT
galah like a bad tootache LOL
Thron diamond 20:34:15 pm CDT
lol
Ramses 20:34:38 pm CDT
chuckling
caitlin stinky feet 20:34:38 pm CDT
not going to touch that typo Mistress Laroona lol
galah{GS} 20:35:17 pm CDT
asking if gal wants a bad toothache, or telling gal she is like a bad toothache Mistress? Hehehehehehee
Laroona 20:35:36 pm CDT
oopssss
geesh hard C&PIng and posting and well
I admit I am old LOL
galah{GS} 20:36:33 pm CDT
hhmmmmmmmm, a bad toothache is worse than stinky feet....heheheheeee heheheheheeee **giggling at caitlin**
Thron diamond 20:36:55 pm CDT
*laughs*
najla {GS} 20:37:16 pm CDT
~stifles a giggle~
galah{GS} 20:37:19 pm CDT
oooopppppps, seems gal distracted forum? **slinks down wondering if the floor might swallow her up**
Thron diamond 20:37:47 pm CDT
*nudges galah and laughs*
caitlin stinky feet 20:37:48 pm CDT
~laughing ~ galah come a little closer and smell these feet ..you may just change your mind lol
Laroona 20:38:19 pm CDT
hmm thinks a Frees revenge is good hmmmmmmmmmmm
Xertog 20:39:02 pm CDT
LOL.. Did you bring a good forum topic with you galah? If not how about Rollo?
galah{GS} 20:39:03 pm CDT
don't know if ya want gal that close caitlin, ya know that bad toothache causes terribly BAD breath heheheheheheeee hehehehehee
Laroona 20:39:19 pm CDT
LOL heee
this is making a good topic LOL
caitlin stinky feet 20:39:44 pm CDT
so does biting my toenails ROFL
galah{GS} 20:40:27 pm CDT
how could a slave have smelly feet anyhow? thought one had to wear those FW things on the footsies to have smelly feet? heheheheheee heheheheheheheee or boots on the Masters heheheheee hehehehee Master Rollo as a forum subject Master Xertog? Hehehehehehheeee
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:41:02 pm CDT
*pounces on galah ~hugs her tight*
hi beauty...welcome home *s
galah{GS} 20:41:56 pm CDT
Master Rollo is ass deep in baby sleen at the moment....he gave gal a few moments off on good behavior heheheheheheheee hehehehehee
caitlin stinky feet 20:42:19 pm CDT
FW have footsies? wow when did that happen ..ive been away too long ...didnt know FW even had legs
galah{GS} 20:42:59 pm CDT
**topples over as she is pounced unexpectedly** hey sis, where the heck did you come from? gal has missed you soooooooooo much
xXx~Warrior~of Port~Kar~ 20:43:03 pm CDT
Well galah I think she was standing in dung. ~L~
Laroona 20:43:42 pm CDT
caitlin we have things on the end of our stubby legs called toes LOL
galah{GS} 20:44:04 pm CDT
well, the smell coming from beneath a FW robes....must be smelly feet caitlin? hehehehehehehee **whispers softly as she leans toward her**
zoya{GS}~t 20:44:47 pm CDT
~*~steps lightly over to the slave furs and kneels, soft smiles in greeting to all gathered~*~
galah{GS} 20:44:53 pm CDT
hey aurora, lets pounce zoya, then it could be like old home week heheheheheheheheee
Laroona 20:45:28 pm CDT
DRATS
that darn galah has no feathers DRATS
else she be in for a plucking *laughing at my old friend*
caitlin stinky feet 20:45:54 pm CDT
~leans over toward galah and whispers~ dare you to peek under the robe and find out lol
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:47:02 pm CDT
giggles at galah
is wonderful to see you
hope we see a lot more of you
Laroona 20:47:13 pm CDT
sniggers as you girls should know a FW kneels on her heels LOL
and as my back is against the wall LOL
~xXx~Warrior~of Port~Kar~ 20:47:15 pm CDT
Ohhh its smell feet FW have I thought they just cut the cheese and it could not excape all them robes. ~LMAO~
galah{GS} 20:47:37 pm CDT
but gal still knows how to sqwak though heheheheheheee hehehehehe
zoya{GS}~t 20:48:06 pm CDT
~*~giggles and hugs galah tight~*~ hey sis, it's so good to see you back on the chain
~*~smiles brightly~*~ greetings Master Ramses
galah{GS} 20:48:21 pm CDT
brb, think gal found herself....yipppppppppeeeeeeeeeee
galah {GS}20:49:52 pm CDT
wwwooooooooooo hhhooooooooooooooooooooooo **patting herself all over to make sure she all here** heheheheeee
zoya{GS}~t 20:50:46 pm CDT
~*~grins~*~ good to *see* you, galah
xXx~Warrior~of Port~Kar~ 20:51:30 pm CDT
Ohhh galah you are too funny ~L~
galah {GS 20:52:25 pm CDT
**blows a kiss to Master Blade** gal hopes that was a compliment Master? Heheheheheheeee
~xXx~Warrior~of Port~Kar~ 20:53:11 pm CDT
Yes it was gal
Laroona 20:52:23 pm CDT
looks at Ramses can I heeeeeee
galah {GS} 20:53:27 pm CDT
it feels gooooooooooooooooooooood to be here zoya.....gal hopes to find some spare time to get her buns back here
Ramses 20:54:40 pm CDT
*L*
I think she technically already has a collar Laroona! Hehehehe
Laroona 20:55:14 pm CDT
galah you baking buns for us all?
galah {GS 20:55:22 pm CDT
thank you for such sweet whispers in gals ear Mistress Laroona, nuthin like a friendly voice to fill a girls soul heheheheeee
Laroona 20:56:20 pm CDT
Ramses drats LOL
galah {GS} 20:56:59 pm CDT
seems gal is back in the collar shes meant to have **sweet sigh of things that could of been if she's only had the time back then**
Laroona 20:57:10 pm CDT
galah I remember the times you whispered in my ear *S*
galah {GS 20:58:26 pm CDT
is forum still on?
Laroona 20:59:04 pm CDT
I think not
as I have not seen a topic
but have saved some of the antics LOL
Xertog 20:59:56 pm CDT
I'd say the forum is over galah. I think it was nice to keep things on the lighter side for a change.
Laroona 21:00:51 pm CDT
thank you Xertog
puts the quills and rence paper away**