Present:
Sandman
Ramses
Dak
Bretval
Kazar
Keeper
Lita
maddie-anne
flicka
ruby
snowrose
Dak 19:42:29 pm CDT
very well, we have a topic , I will open the Forum, same rules , keep greetings and chit chat to whispers, o benefit the scribe
Keeper of flicka 19:43:15 pm CDT
Tal Bretval
A good crowd this day.
Ramses 19:43:56 pm CDT
Tal Bretval
Keeper I was thinking the same thing
Dak 19:46:54 pm CDT
Thinking back to the early days of the Silk & Steel Tavern, on IRC DALnet, in 1996, I recall that the "serves" were precisely what the name entails. The slave in question would describe herself going over, getting paga or ka-la-na or whatever, and bringingit to the Free Gorean she was serving.
Over a period of time, certain Masters made it evident that they wished to be served a certain way. The slaves complied. The serves got more complex.
Then, individuals who were new to online Gorean interaction came in, saw the more complex serves, and began to emulate them, thinking that must be "how it was done."
Then, a few creative (and probably bored) slaves started to craft their own unique service styles, applying their own "spin" to how Masters were served. Some Masters responded well to this, and praised them for it.
Other slaves saw this praise, and the "service wars" began. : )
Soon, girls were running around in dozens of channels, accusing others of "stealing my serve!" and getting more complex, and more "out there" with their service, to attact attention to themselves.
So... what had begun as a simple "paga, Master?" turnedinto the online equivalent of a fashion show runway. The slaves were serving in strange and unique ways in order to call attention to themselves, as a means ofblatant self-advertisement. This makes a certain amount of sense, after all, since so many of the individuals who log into Gorean channels to interact as "slaves" seem simply to be people who are, for some reason or other, starved for attention; either that, or they have been duped by Western Earth's media-driven society into buying intthe concept of the "Cult of Celebrity," a concept which dictates that unless one is standing in the spotlight being looked upon by a group of other people, that one hassomehow "failed" as a human being.
Attention is craved, and behaving online in a way which constantly calls attention to one is one way to obtain it.
Eventually, we kinda had to put an end to that in S&S, simply by not responding to such long-winded, ridiculous serves... ergo, discouraging them by ignoring them.
Meanwhile, in the great Gorean hinterlands of online taverns, inns, war camps, etc., many slaves continue to run around like vulos with their heads cut off, seeking the "correct way" and inventing, or copying, bizarre service rituals, apropos of nothing Gorean.....
(4) Questions
1) Are long serves, long posts, flowery language just ways of "showing off" or do they really contribute to rp?
2) One post, three posts, long posts, short posts, what should they be?
3) How should or could a slave learn to serve?
4) Bond or silk, what’s the difference and should a slave learn both?
Dak 19:47:51 pm CDT
Today's Topic
The art of the serve; preferences; north and south differences; and "by the books, dammit!"
Quotes For This Week
"I observed Inge filling the paga goblet of one of the huntsmen. She knelt closer to him than she needed to. Her lips were parted. Her eyes shone. Her hands, slightly, shook on the paga bottle. Rena knelt to one side. She watched her huntsman, gnawing the meat from a great bone. I could see that she was eager to leap up to serve him,should he but speak to her."(Captive of Gor Page 300)
"Serve me wine," he said.
I turned and, among the furnishings of the tent, found a bottle of Ka-la-na, of good vintage, from the vineyards of Ar, the loot of a caravan raid. I then took the wine, with a small copper bowl, and a black, red-trimmed wine crater, to the side of the fire. I poured some of the wine into the small copper bowl, and set it on the tripod over the tiny fire in the fire bowl.
He sat cross-legged, facing me, and I knelt by the fire, facing him.
After a time I took the copper bowl from the fire and held it against my cheek.
I returned it again to the tripod, and again we waited.
Again I took the bowl from the fire. It was now not comfortable to hold the bowl, but it was not painful to do so. I poured the wine from the small copper bowl into the black, red-trimmed wine crater, placing the small bowl in a rack to one side of the fire. I swirled, slowly, the wine in the wine crater. I saw my reflection in the redness, the blondness of my hair, dark in the wine, and the collar, with its bells, about my throat.
I now, in the fashion of the slave girl of Treve, held the wine crater against my right cheek. I could feel the warmth of the wine through the side of the crater.
"Is it ready?" he asked.
A master of Treve does not care to be told that his girl thinks it is. He wishes to be told Yes, or No.
"Yes," I whispered.
I did not know how he cared for his wine, for some men of Treve wish it warm, others almost hot. I did not know how he wished it. What if it were not as he wished it!
"Serve me wine," he said.
I, carrying the wine crater, rose to my feet and approached him. I then knelt before him, with a rustle of slave bells, in the position of the pleasure slave. I put my head down and, with both hands, extending my arms to him, held forth the wine crater.
"I offer you wine, Master," I said.
He took the wine, and I watched, in terror. He sipped it, and smiled. I nearly fainted. I would not be beaten. (Captive of Gor Page 332) (cont.)
(2) "He said to me, 'Come closer. Stand before the coffee table.' I did that.
'Kneel down before the coffee table, my dear,' he said."
"I knelt down," she said, blushing.
"He then said to me," she said, "'Pour wine into the goblet. Fill it precisely to the second ring.' There were five rings on the outside of the goblet. I poured the wine, as he had asked, and then placed the goblet on the coffee table.
"'Now take the goblet,' he said, 'and hold the metal against your body, pushing inward.' I took the goblet and held it, tightly, to my body. I held the round, heavy metal against me, below my brassiere. 'Lower,' he said, 'against your belly.' I then held the goblet lower. 'Press it more inward,' he said. I did so. I can still feel the cold metal against me, firmly, partly against the silk of my undergarment, partly against my belly. 'Now,' said he, 'lift the goblet to your lips and kiss it lingeringly, then proffer it to me, arms extended, head down.'
(Fighting Slave of Gor Page 19)
~Those Wacky Serves~: by Marcus of Ar
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 19:50:46 pm CDT snowrose has to disagree with that description of a slave's motives. for this one, it's not at all to seek attention, but rather to please...And in fact, she tries to remember what does or does not please individual Masters. And it is also part of the GS training to describe ourselves, paint a picture...that was in place long before this one came to Gor.
Keeper of flicka 19:51:10 pm CDT
Last question answered first.
Yes
First question .... (watch this space)
maddie~anne{GS} 19:52:21 pm CDT
~her body clenches tightly at His voice and entrance before it comes to attention again at mistress snowroses's words, she listens keenly~
Ramses 19:53:19 pm CDT
Like Keeper, I prefer that slaves learn both both forms of serving
Ramses 19:54:22 pm CDT
and since words are all we really have here
I don't think that long, descriptive serves are showing off
they DO contribute RP here
Keeper of flicka 19:55:06 pm CDT
A person, any person, is normally judged by there actions.
Therefore a slave's serve should in some way reflect their Master / Jarl's training and the slave's personality.
There is a point where 'purple prose' comes into a serve where long words are put into a serve because they are in a thesaurus and the slave might want draw attention to herself.
Lita, Physician 19:56:29 pm CDT
snowrose, yes, it is good to paint a picture in one's serve, it adds to the role-play. I remember one slave who used to role-play the cold room door getting stuck and when it finally jerked open, it tossed her ass over teakettle clear across the kitchen! *LOL* Things like that keep things interesting. However, I have in other places seen slaves who did carry things a bit too far, in My Free Woman's Opinion, and were more interested in seeking attention than actually pleasing the Free they were serving.
Dak 19:56:57 pm CDT
I was always told that a slave serving was supposed to be enticing, as that was to draw patrons , simply becuz in a tavern a slaves use comes with the price of a beverage !
maddie~anne{GS} 19:57:21 pm CDT
~meekly whispers to herself~ perhaps a wordy serve is just a meager sluts why of TRYING to serve in a pleasing fashion, but for ones Owner and His Guests...
flicka-slave of Keeper 19:57:41 pm CDT
This is forum and as such there is a latitude to speak freely, even as a slave. Having said that, for flicka there is only one answer to questions 1, 2 and 3. That is Master's prerogative. Whatever methodology, format, many posts, or one, three or five posts, it is what the Master wishes. if He wants to know what colour silks flicka wore yesterday or did she enjoy her gruel with fish this morning, it is for her to fulfill HIS desire. Flowery, descriptive, diffident, abrupt and to the point. All are at His will.
Keeper of flicka 19:58:56 pm CDT
I agree with you Ramses, there is a point though when a beautiful descriptive piece of writing can become too flowery and slave use words just for the sake of it.
Dak 19:59:10 pm CDT
I do believe that the outline of the serve basics wer designed specifically to discourage the idea of one slave stealing anothers serve !
Bretval, Merchant 19:59:41 pm CDT
Is not the purpose of the harta serve? Quick if short on time... normal for complex?
maddie~anne{GS} 20:01:41 pm CDT
if this slut may be allowed again...is not a Harta serve specifically requested or at the very least needs to be verified by the slut serving? ~the questions dance in her head~
Keeper of flicka 20:01:48 pm CDT
~Smiling at flicka~
You know the rules:
Rule Number One: The Master is always right.
Rule Number Two: If the Master is wrong ~gasp~ refer to Rule Number One!
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:02:47 pm CDT
snowrose had only two teachers growing up, and both of them taught her to "write tight"..One of them was a journalist. So even now she has trouble with the six lines per post rule. she tends to say her piece in far less words, and anyway, every screen is different...hers is small..So she sometimes is afraid her serves are skimpy, but she really doesn't like to add a lot of filler, for its own sake
ruby~{Randolph} 20:03:00 pm CDT
well stated flicka if a girl is privately owned, she should serve to her Masters delight and specificationsif the girl is owned by the Captains..then the serves should be to Their standards be beautiful and enticing the main goal
Dak 20:03:20 pm CDT
that is why the serve basics are so important, to avoid that, Keeper
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:03:38 pm CDT
well said pretty ruby
maddie~anne{GS} 20:03:43 pm CDT
~chewing on a plump bottom lip and realizing even that took a lot of words~
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:04:07 pm CDT
regardless of ownership there are a few rules here such as rim sweetening that aren't allowed
Dak 20:04:33 pm CDT
aye, exactly the reason for the harta serve !
Lita, Physician 20:05:05 pm CDT
Dak, there is a difference between being enticing in one's serve, and putting the Free of the room to sleep with the length, loquaciousness, and verbosity of one's posts. (just an example. chuckle)
maddie~anne{GS} 20:05:06 pm CDT
~nods her head quickly at His pretty flickas words and thinking..."yeah, what that pretty girl said"~
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:06:12 pm CDT
~resting a hand lightly on His thigh, smilingly flicka replies~
Yes Jarl, and if flicka knows not the Master's desires then she will serve as she has been trained, or as to the traditions of the home. The Master will soon enough let His preferences become known to her.
As to question 4, the base line is that there is little difference between a Northern serve and a Southern serve, inasmuch as they both seek to please the Master. But, yes a slave should know both and be able to serve either at the command of a Master.
Dak 20:06:43 pm CDT
when I came to GS all slaves even privately owned served according to GS way of serving , the only variation was guest slaves from other sites !
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:06:47 pm CDT
Keeeper grins the customer is always right ~
Dak 20:07:33 pm CDT
yes, that is the reason for the line rule
Keeper of flicka 20:08:19 pm CDT
As stated earlier I think a serve should reflect a slave's training and personality.
Overly formulaic serves can equal very good serves, regimented and to a high standard.
Too much regimentation will lead to mediocrity in writing.
Dak 20:08:35 pm CDT
what is GS running, a regular RT Bar, or a Gorean Tavern, that seems t be the question ?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:08:52 pm CDT
we always serve Northern style during very busy times..festivals, dance nights etc...it's fun for a change of pace
ruby~{Randolph} 20:10:03 pm CDT
a girls Master..desires His slut to stick with the six basic steps..thus she obeys His word..shudders with thought to even trifle with His word
Dak 20:10:06 pm CDT
creativity and descriptive writing inside a certain format, can be very beautiful and enticing !
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:10:20 pm CDT
~nods to mistress snowrose~
Northern serves do lend themselves a little more easily to ribaldry and that can be refreshing for both Master and slave.
Dak 20:10:53 pm CDT
which is exactly they way I trained you to serve, ruby, *smile*
Lita, Physician 20:11:11 pm CDT
As an example of what might be considered "going too far" in a serve and ignoring the Free while serving, Marcus of Ar wrote the following example, which while highly amusing, makes a point:
Just the other day, I dropped into an IRC channel which described itself as a Gorean tavern, and while discussing a matter with the channel owner, I made the mistake of asking for a paga.
Up jumped the "star" slave of the channel, to serve me.
Let's see... I learned all about her nipples. I noticed that she moaned softly whenever she did anything. I got to see her ass peeking out from under her silks. I got to watch as she praised the Priest-Kings, danced to the three moons of Gor, held the bowl to her heart and whispered a "lil' kajira prayer" for my health and well being.
By this time, twenty minutes had passed. I had finished my conversation with the channel owner, and just sat there, silently waiting for the paga to arrive, not wanting to insult the hospitality of the channel by leaving before it reached me.
It finally did. And the slave promptly took the bowl of paga, tucked it in and among her pubes, rubbed her you-know-what all over the rim, and presented it to me with a grand flourish.
I didn't know whether to applaud or to puke, quite frankly. The girl's ID claimed she was red-silk. Who knows what else has been in her crotch lately?
I accepted the paga and told her to return to serve others, which she did with a smile.
I set the paga down on the table and thanked the channel owner for his friendly conversation. As I was about to leave, another free man messaged me and said "I notice you didn't drink the paga that slave brought to you."
I replied... "Yes. But SHE didn't notice. She doesn't CARE. She got to do her thing, and is happy as a clam about it. Where do my needs or wants fit into her agenda, or her good time? She does this for herself. Period."
I then left the channel.
I would rather have a clumsily written, badly described, three sentence serve which is typed by the earnest hands of a girl who really has my wishes and enjoyment at heart, than a slickly written serve with an accompanying brass band and fireworks from some chick who doesn't care about me, only about herself.
But... that's just me. Some guys like "slave juice" in their beverages. Some men like a table dance along with their drink. Some men don't care about anything but the floorshow.
Now, me? I don't grade on atmosphere or the floorshow. I grade on quality of service.
Which reminds me of a little haiku I wrote, a few years back:
"Nine paragraphs? Wow!
Why won't she shut up and just
Pour the damn paga?"
I wish you well!
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:11:37 pm CDT
Keeper exactly otherwise things get boring
Keeper of flicka 20:12:25 pm CDT
I would say Gorean Tavern.
Generally speaking slaves and weapons are frowned upon in RT Bars.
~Chuckling~
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:11:37 pm CDT
Keeper exactly otherwise things get boring
Lita, Physician 20:12:31 pm CDT
As Marcus said, "Yes. But SHE didn't notice. She doesn't CARE. She got to do her thing, and is happy as a clam about it. Where do my needs or wants fit into her agenda, or her good time? She does this for herself. Period."
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:14:49 pm CDT
And Mistress Lita, flicka's response to that serve would be that it was not the serve of a Gorean slave to a Gorean Master, but it WAS the play acting of a "wannabe slave-girl in pretty silks" living out a slightly "naughty" fantasy.
ruby~{Randolph} 20:14:54 pm CDT
thanks Master Dak for all His help
girl took her full training with the GS slaves..aurora was her trainer
Dak 20:15:15 pm CDT
Laughing*, why didn't Marcus order a harta serve??! *smiles*
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:15:57 pm CDT
And You are precisely correct, that Master was immaterial, a cardboard cutout of a virile, muscular Man would have served her purpose just as well as a living and breathing Master.
Keeper of flicka 20:16:29 pm CDT
There is a happy medium between stiff over-regimented serves, creative wonderful serves and flowery 'purple prose' serves and that happy medium is decided upon by the Master, ~looking at Lita~ or Freewoman.
Lita, Physician 20:16:50 pm CDT
Dak, I don't think we are discussing whether to serve in a Gorean way, or an r/t way. We are speaking of ways to enhance the roleplay. And here are some quote from the books showing how serves were done there. They were enticing, but not long-winded.
Lita, Physician 20:16:55 pm CDT
"I observed Inge filling the paga goblet of one of the huntsmen. She knelt closer to him than she needed to. Her lips were parted. Her eyes shone. Her hands, slightly, shook on the paga bottle. Rena knelt to one side. She watched her huntsman, gnawing the meat from a great bone. I could see that she was eager to leap up to serve him, should he but speak to her."(Captive of Gor Page 300)
"Serve me wine," he said.
I turned and, among the furnishings of the tent, found a bottle of Ka-la-na, of good vintage, from the vineyards of Ar, the loot of a caravan raid. I then took the wine, with a small copper bowl, and a black, red-trimmed wine crater, to the side of the fire. I poured some of the wine into the small copper bowl, and set it on the tripod over the tiny fire in the fire bowl.
He sat cross-legged, facing me, and I knelt by the fire, facing him.
After a time I took the copper bowl from the fire and held it against my cheek.
I returned it again to the tripod, and again we waited.
Again I took the bowl from the fire. It was now not comfortable to hold the bowl, but it was not painful to do so. I poured the wine from the small copper bowl into the black, red-trimmed wine crater, placing the small bowl in a rack to one side of the fire. I swirled, slowly, the wine in the wine crater. I saw my reflection in the redness, the blondness of my hair, dark in the wine, and the collar, with its bells, about my throat.
I now, in the fashion of the slave girl of Treve, held the wine crater against my right cheek. I could feel the warmth of the wine through the side of the crater.
"Is it ready?" he asked.
A master of Treve does not care to be told that his girl thinks it is. He wishes to be told Yes, or No.
"Yes," I whispered.
I did not know how he cared for his wine, for some men of Treve wish it warm, others almost hot. I did not know how he wished it. What if it were not as he wished it!
"Serve me wine," he said.
I, carrying the wine crater, rose to my feet and approached him. I then knelt before him, with a rustle of slave bells, in the position of the pleasure slave.
I put my head down and, with both hands, extending my arms to him, held forth the wine crater. "I offer you wine, Master," I said.
He took the wine, and I watched, in terror. He sipped it, and smiled. I nearly fainted. I would not be beaten.
(Captive of Gor Page 332)
"He said to me, 'Come closer. Stand before the coffee table.' I did that.
'Kneel down before the coffee table, my dear,' he said."
"I knelt down," she said, blushing.
"He then said to me," she said, "'Pour wine into the goblet. Fill it precisely to the second ring.' There were five rings on the outside of the goblet. I poured the wine, as he had asked, and then placed the goblet on the coffee table.
"'Now take the goblet,' he said, 'and hold the metal against your body, pushing inward.' I took the goblet and held it, tightly, to my body. I held the round, heavy metal against me, below my brassiere. 'Lower,' he said, 'against your belly.' I then held the goblet lower. 'Press it more inward,' he said. I did so. I can still feel the cold metal against me, firmly, partly against the silk of my undergarment, partly against my belly. 'Now,' said he, 'lift the goblet to your lips and kiss it lingeringly, then proffer it to me, arms extended, head down.'
(Fighting Slave of Gor Page 19)
Lita, Physician 20:19:23 pm CDT
*chuckles* Dak, the girl didn't even give Him a chance to ask. She didn't even ask him how He wanted it, just jumped into her little routine, which I suspect may have been a copy-paste job!
maddie~anne{GS} 20:21:05 pm CDT
~blushes and wonders...she bites down on a lower lip as she listens to the open exchange between the Free and the owned~
Lita, Physician 20:21:53 pm CDT
maddie, in forum slaves are encouraged to speak freely, though respectfully. *S*
Dak 20:22:06 pm CDT
aye, I understand that, but what you portrayed by Master Marcus, was exactly what I was talking about, a Gorean Tavern by all description is by all book description is a very sexual sensual place, especially when you consider a Master could grab a slave and use her on the spot !
Lita, Physician 20:23:58 pm CDT
"She knelt closer to him than she needed to. Her lips were parted. Her eyes shone. Her hands, slightly, shook on the paga bottle." Dak, that sounds pretty descriptive and enticing to Me, yet it is only 3 short sentences.
Dak 20:24:15 pm CDT
I guess an experienced Master might know, if He wanted something less than a normal serve, to order harta ! GS has an extensive manual if people would be bothered to read it !
Lita, Physician 20:25:17 pm CDT
And most of the serves quoted in the books were similarly brief but descriptive.
maddie~anne{GS} 20:25:22 pm CDT
this one thanks You for Your explanation, Mistress Lita....
~quickly tips her head forwards in gratitude for Her explanation~
Keeper of flicka 20:25:41 pm CDT
There is good prose and then there is narcissistic writing.
Any narcissistic tendencies in slave should be dealt with.
I guess one way to refocus a slave attention back to the Master would be use her immediately.
~Note to self, try that method next time a serve is taking too long!~
Dak 20:26:37 pm CDT
are we talking about just throwing away the GS manual and going to an anything goes , in the books, aal the girls trained in the pen were trained to do things exatly the sameway !
Lita, Physician 20:27:23 pm CDT
In fact, there is one scene in a paga tavern where the girls hardly spoke at all. They walked down the line of tables carrying pitchers of paga and re-filled the cups as they went, without even asking if anything else was wanted. If a Free wanted to use a girl, he just grabbed her and took her to the alcoves.
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:27:42 pm CDT
I am not in favor of throwing away the book
Lita, Physician 20:29:27 pm CDT
No, Dak, I am not suggesting we throw away the GS manual, or anything like that. This topic for discussion was posted at another site, and I thought it had some good points that could be well used and yet stay within Our rules. As well as within the Books.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:30:13 pm CDT
~eyes gleaming with excitement~
Note to self to perhaps be a little "boring" in her next serving of a gorgeous sexy Master, so that He might, just might, "punish" her over-weaning verbosity by tossing her Northern style on a table and having His wicked way with her.
Keeper of flicka 20:31:18 pm CDT
Dak; No we should not throw away the book, it is guide.
However if you gave two people instructions on how to assemble a bike on Christmas Eve the way that bike was assembled would be slightly different, those differences are important.
If you wanted the bike assemble exactly the same way every time you would by it directly from the factory, pre-assembled, that would be boring in My opinion.
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:31:55 pm CDT
well said Keeper
Keeper of flicka 20:32:11 pm CDT
*buy it
Lita, Physician 20:32:11 pm CDT
But,. Dak, the books were written for readers, who would not have had their eyes on the slave. So they had to be written much as it would be for being enticing in role-play.
Bretval, Merchant 20:32:27 pm CDT
~thinking I missed something ... when did We jump to getting rid of the Manual?
Dak 20:32:42 pm CDT
someone went to one helluva lot of trouble to write the GS info pages, and deciding after almost 20 years of them that they don't apply, is unimaginable !
Keeper of flicka 20:33:13 pm CDT
~Nodding to Sandman~
~Looking to flicka~
Viva la difference!
Dak 20:33:27 pm CDT
have you read the slave manual Bretval or an of it
Lita, Physician 20:33:35 pm CDT
Dak nobody suggested any such thing! Where do You get that?
Dak 20:35:23 pm CDT
Laughing* most things that come from factories have manuals, and f you want to put the bike together the easiest way, you will follow their manual, *smiles*
Bretval, Merchant 20:36:00 pm CDT
On occasion, Dak
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:36:12 pm CDT
Did flicka blink? without the manual Gorean Shores would be muddling along like a rudderless D/s site. Master Dak, flicka has looked back as far as she is able, and does not think that anyone suggested getting rid of the manual.
As ruby said she was trained by aurora and mistress snowrose trains the new slaves, and they train by the manual.
Lita, Physician 20:37:30 pm CDT
Look, I found a topic I thought might provide an interesting and lively discussion. If people are going to get Their knickers in a twist, I can leave and let You fight it out among Yourselves.
Dak 20:37:37 pm CDT
that is true, why is everyone wanting to do things their own way ?
Keeper of flicka 20:37:51 pm CDT
~Laughing~
Ask flicka, I don't usually use the manual, I like the challenge of working it out Myself, it a fun intellectual exercise, drives flicka mad RT!
~Chuckling at flicka, waiting for a reply~
Lita, Physician 20:38:43 pm CDT
And as far as training by "The Manual" Aren't the Books part of Our "Manual"
maddie~anne{GS} 20:38:57 pm CDT
~wiggles on her heels as she listens to the conversation~
Dak 20:39:20 pm CDT
well, for some that have been around from years ago, they might come here because it seems disorganized !
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:39:23 pm CDT
smiling I don't think there are any twisted knickers here Lita
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:39:59 pm CDT
and it is a thought provoking topic,, which is why we have forum
Keeper of flicka 20:40:11 pm CDT
I think We do not want to do things Our own way, rather, have a bit of variation or light and shade within the secure structure provided by the Gorean Shores Manual
ruby~{Randolph} 20:40:33 pm CDT
believes the GS Manual..tries to stick to the books ways..as much as possible for the vt realm
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:40:44 pm CDT
~laughing~ Jarl perhaps a better example would be baking a cake from scratch as opposed to baking a cake from a packet. In the first you would use a recipe, but would tweak it to your own individual preference, in the second your cake would turn out like a factory made one, with no personality of its own. For recipe read Gorean Shores manual, the manual provides the framework and also allows for slaves to be fully trained within it. Later, if it is the will of a Master the girl may develop her own style. But always, always she must remain true to the manual.
Keeper of flicka 20:41:38 pm CDT
~Lift flicka's silks, looking long and hard~
No: no twisted knickers there, come to think of it no knickers at all!
maddie~anne{GS} 20:42:10 pm CDT
may this lowly one ask a question of this room? as she is learning the slave Manual, she does have a question....
~quickly praying she does not loose her neck or bring shame upon Master Captain Original Sandman~
Bretval, Merchant 20:43:53 pm CDT
Well said, flicka
ruby~{Randolph} 20:44:06 pm CDT
a very good analogy..flicka
Keeper of flicka 20:44:11 pm CDT
~Smiling at flicka~
Exactly, deviate too far from the recipe and you end up with sweet mush.
Use it as it was meant to be used.
Lita, Physician 20:44:27 pm CDT
of course, maddie-anne
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:44:33 pm CDT
~wistful little smile of nostalgia at the silken caress of knickers on her bottom and shaven front bottom~
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:47:44 pm CDT
~blushing a little~ aye and sweet mush is not very appetizing whether it be food for the mouth or food for the brain.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:48:02 pm CDT
it's true flicka...we all have our own style, individuality, even though only slaves...and every girl who tries to be pleasing is beautiful in her own way, this one thinks...it is her desire to please, her inner beauty that comes through that is most important
Lita, Physician 20:48:36 pm CDT
Agreed,snow.
Dak 20:49:31 pm CDT
when the basics of the serve is altered I ruins the beauty !
ruby~{Randolph} 20:49:32 pm CDT
well said mistress..insightful as always
maddie~anne{GS} 20:49:37 pm CDT
~sucking in a deep breath and hoping no shame comes to her Master and mistress First Girl, she casts eyes downwards as she speaks out with defination~
this one has read this in the Manual...
The kennels For slaves only!
These are where training classes are held, in an area where there are some furs set aside for classes only. The remainder of the kennels are dark and dank place where slaves are kept and is their sleeping area set aside. The kennels are a safe place for slaves to escape to in the case of any raids. Slaves can also apply their cosmetics and scents in the kennels.
Only Gorean Shores Captains can enter the kennels. Any other person can enter if they have permission from the Captains such as a healer or physician. The kennels are not a kill / capture area.
does this instruction in the Manual apply to PM messages here too? ~feeling much confused~
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:50:23 pm CDT
~swooning a little in an unbecoming bondsmaiden way at the sight of Master Bretval's sexy icon~
Welcome back Master.
Lita, Physician 20:55:00 pm CDT
Also, maddie, I believe Master Thadron, Who is Slave Master, is also permitted into the kennels.
maddie~anne{GS} 20:55:48 pm CDT
not in the Forum, Mistress Lita, but in the kennels, with respect to clairity in Your question... ~softly asking~
ruby~{Randolph} 20:56:24 pm CDT
imho
a Master answers to no One but Himself..which is the Gorean way agrees with Master Bretvals wisdom
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:57:01 pm CDT
Master Thadron is a Captain, Mistress
Dak 20:57:46 pm CDT
yes, but Gor is about discipline, where is the discipline in a serve just done any ole way ya want ! *shrugs*
Lita, Physician 20:57:52 pm CDT
Yes, snow. I just did not know if maddie had yet met Him, and perhaps would not know.
maddie~anne{GS} 20:58:43 pm CDT
~blushes Mistress Lita and nods her head~ Aye, Mistress Lita, and The Slave Master, Master Thadron....
~nodes quitely~ Aye, Jarl Keeper
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:59:58 pm CDT
oh and offered service to Him.
Bretval, Merchant 21:00:23 pm CDT
Had to change... some slaves got distracted
Keeper of flicka 21:01:30 pm CDT
Yes indeed flicka, slave class in particular is sacrosanct, I do not even enter the same room when flicka is in slave class.
Lita, Physician 21:01:33 pm CDT
*giggles* Bretval, You change clothes faster than an earthen stripper on a Saturday night!
Keeper of flicka 21:02:44 pm CDT
Do you like this one Bretval?
I do spend most of My life slightly confused!
maddie~anne{GS} 21:03:22 pm CDT
oops..this sluts nods to Master Bretval as He wins the battle with the dirty urts before speaking again as she tilts her head up in offering a view of the collar granted her~
This slut only wishes to bring pride to the Owner, Master Captain Original Sandman, Master Slave Trainer Thaddron and Any she may be allowed to serve, she is just confused about the time allowed to her in the slave kennels...simply, that is all...
Dak 21:03:41 pm CDT
well, if there is no more to discuss I will call the forum to a close, and thank all for coming and participating ,
thanks for scribing flicka
Lita, Physician 21:03:53 pm CDT
*LOL* Keeper, I live in the State of Confusion, only it's called Indiana!
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:04:24 pm CDT
~nodding~ to clarify my Jarl's statement. He means He does not enter into the real time room that flicka is in, if she is in slave class. He has given His permission for flicka to attend slave class and the rules of GS as per the manual are that slave class is only to be seen by slaves and Members of the Council. My Jarl honours those rules.
Bretval, Merchant 21:04:30 pm CDT
*LOL*done that.... but never quickly, Lita
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:05:25 pm CDT
~chuckling~ Master Dak, mistress snowrose scribed, but flicka thanks You for leading.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:05:31 pm CDT
According to the rules, One should ask in public to PM, so if a Free can't enter the kennels He can't ask to PM...that's in theory. in reality, unless we are in class, the Free will PM a girl in the kennels if He wants her for something...or just to say hello
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:06:01 pm CDT
thank you for running forum Dak
ruby~{Randolph} 21:06:13 pm CDT
this girl..till further notice..does not have consent to enter the Tavern..with her Master present...which is His exclusive right...thus she prays she has not offended any Free..girl obeys her Master..first and foremost
Lita, Physician 21:06:19 pm CDT
I wish All here well, enough, and great joy
Keeper of flicka 21:06:29 pm CDT
maddie-anne, I think flicka is right you are pretty much incommunicado when in the kennels.
That is My understanding, if a Master breeches that protocol, start copying and pasting to avoid any problems.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:06:37 pm CDT
Thank You for leading the forum Master Dak
and thank You for providing the topic Mistress
Bretval, Merchant 21:07:13 pm CDT
Like that one, Keeper