Present:
Dak
Keeper
Kazar
Bretval
Hunter
Lita
snowrose
shimmer
mareive
aura
ruby
flicka
Dak 19:47:48 pm CDT
I have Topic, I will open the forum, same rules keep greetings and chit chat to whispers for the benefit of the scribe, is the scribe ready ?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 19:51:50 pm CDT
flicka will scribe tonight Master Dak
Dak 19:52:42 pm CDT
cool, thank you flicka
Dak 19:53:03 pm CDT
first topic
If it becomes necessary to get rid of a slave, Should slaves be released?
sold? killed?
Freed?
why to any of these or why not?
Do you have any quotes to back your reasons?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 19:55:28 pm CDT
Does that mean tavern slaves, or a personal slave Master Dak?
shimmer{GS}~t~ 19:56:18 pm CDT
in the books shimmy does not ever remember a slave girl being Freed.. only Males were Freed.. slave girls were always sold or traded like cattle.. if a Free tires of his slave give it to a Master that desires the slave of to the home they belong to. it teaches a slave how good they had it some times or it makes a Master slave and happier..
Dak 19:57:23 pm CDT
I would assume any, or discus the possible differences there might be
Keeper of flicka 19:57:39 pm CDT
Whether a slave is sold, freed or killed would very much depend on the reason the slave is no longer required.
Bretval, Merchant 19:57:53 pm CDT
Depends on why the slave must be disposed of, I would think
Lita, Physician 19:58:02 pm CDT
Shimmer, in Priest Kings, the slave who served Tarl while He was in the Nest came out with Him, and He Freed Her so she could go and work with Flaminius and the other Physicians on the cure for Dar Kosis once more.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 19:58:54 pm CDT
Talena was enslaved at one point, so must have been freed somehow
shimmer{GS}~t~ 19:59:25 pm CDT
yes Mistress smiles softly shimmy is sorry
Lita, Physician 19:59:57 pm CDT
Also, Shimmer, the books do state that if a Free Woman had once been enslaved, She needed to always keep Her Manumission papers with Her to prove it. Which implies that on some occasions slaves were Freed.
Dak 20:00:09 pm CDT
well, I don't see any discussing the slave requesting release, and this situation being one that does create a difference between online and the books on Gor !
Hunter{aura} 20:01:23 pm CDT
yes but in online gor slaves can make their own choice to become Free...which are we discussing
Bretval, Merchant 20:01:39 pm CDT
Normally sold or auctioned off in most cases
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:03:05 pm CDT
If we are to be true to Gorean philosophy, flicka does not believe that a slave could beg out of a collar. The condition of a slave is fully a Master's prerogative.
Lita, Physician 20:03:12 pm CDT
Hunter, if any on-line slave asked Me to release them, I'd refuse. Slaves just don't get that choice. I have also refused to kill a slave because she wanted Me to.
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:03:48 pm CDT
if its a run away slave~`~ `~ or tavern slave ~
runaway slave where killed ~
Bretval, Merchant 20:04:17 pm CDT
In-line slaves would or should go the Tavern if it is a Gorean Shores slave
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:04:28 pm CDT
guess they should just be listed as runaways if they leave under those circumstances Mistress.
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:04:41 pm CDT
have seen it happen many ways.. girls old Master released her even when she held onto his feet begging him not to. she was broken.. it depends on the situation in on line gor. have seen many a slave trades sold killed (yes happens 2x to shimmy early on in her gor life but she learned alot from it) and seen slaves released also.
Lita, Physician 20:05:23 pm CDT
Kazar, some runaway slaves were merely hamstrung, so they couldn't run away anymore. There would still be work they could do.
ruby~{Randolph} 20:06:40 pm CDT
this one thinks, however the relinquishment is accomplished...its up to the Free, and or the personally owned slave or thrall Master
Keeper of flicka 20:06:50 pm CDT
One would have to assume given the philosophy and culture on Gor when slave is released as Lita mentioned, it would have to be for a very good reason, not just that the slave would like a change.
Which takes us back to one of recurring problems of on-line Gor, that is what is NOT mentioned in the books.
Dak 20:07:01 pm CDT
well, online if they aren't released, chances are they will just disappear !
Hunter{aura} 20:07:02 pm CDT
were you not a slave once Lita?
Lita, Physician 20:08:10 pm CDT
Agreed there, ruby
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:08:12 pm CDT
or the other big problem many Masters release slaves is they catch slaves dueling. have seen that happen many times
Lita, Physician 20:08:30 pm CDT
Yes, Hunter, I was.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:08:55 pm CDT
A long time ago flicka knew a slave who was terribly unhappy in her Master's collar, she was a true Gorean and remained in His collar for over a year, faithfully and fully serving as His slave. Eventually He sold her, much to her joy, He sold her to a slaver, Who used her for enticing Patrons to His warehouse, (she was very well trained), that girl was almost broken, but she remained true to her Gorean training, she did not runaway nor did she ever fail to be less than obedient and respectful to all Masters.
ruby~{Randolph} 20:08:56 pm CDT
or the Free, could send the slave to the street, to beg for crusts of bread
Lita, Physician 20:10:00 pm CDT
Now that's the kind of slave I like to see, flicka
Hunter{aura} 20:10:37 pm CDT
then My point stands....and there is nothing concrete....online is as online does...a confusing paradigm exists
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:11:44 pm CDT
that girl was a true slave flicka...she acted as she should, without thought for herself...snow hopes she found happiness
Lita, Physician 20:12:07 pm CDT
Hunter, I was properly manumitted.
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:12:26 pm CDT
yes in shimmy's opinion you do your best and hope your slave or Master or Mistress does theirs to make it as gorean as possible.
Keeper of flicka 20:12:45 pm CDT
To call the Gorean paradigm 'confusing' is somewhat of an understatement Hunter!
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:13:29 pm CDT
Master Hunter and my Jarl what You say is so true, online is not reality, shimmer too has said, online a slave can merely disappear and return with a new persona. That was why flicka respected that slave of long ago so much, that girl did not take the easy way out, she had a fire in her belly that would have been extinguished had she done so.
Aye Mistress Lita, flicka respected that girl muchly.
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:14:00 pm CDT
looks at the big words flying past her head and is glad she is a blonde when she does not understand what the words mean.
Bretval, Merchant 20:14:08 pm CDT
I would think that Forum should be concerned only with in-line Gor and Book club for the books and how slaves are dealt with... horses of different colours
aura {Hunter} 20:15:03 pm CDT
giggles at shimmer ....tis girl is the same
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:15:34 pm CDT
~nodding~ yes mistress snowrose, she did find happiness eventually, and has remained in her Master's collar for all the years that flicka has known her.
Lita, Physician 20:16:13 pm CDT
So woulds I. I also remember a time, flicka, when if a Free Person's persona got killed, they left on-line Gor forever, and never returned, even as another character.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:16:24 pm CDT
~smiles to flicka~ snow is a sucker for a happy ending
Hunter{aura} 20:16:53 pm CDT
grins to shimmer...it kind of means the set of rules is flexible depending on which way its looked at
Keeper of flicka 20:17:40 pm CDT
I think one of the real problems is that the books do not always agree with themselves, the books omit many important things making it difficult if not impossible to create a pseudo reality known as 'on-line'.
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:18:40 pm CDT
yes but if that happened now shimmy would not be here now.. some Free do not take well to slaves that are new and do not know what they are doing.. they are quick to kill if they are not pleased.. shimmy is glad she found herself here... Gor can be an extremely scary place for a slave new to on line gor.
Dak 20:19:23 pm CDT
well, I hv had many slaves, and have released many, in hopes they would continue in Gor some do some don't, sometimes it is a conflict in the chain, or between Master and slave, I would rather release them and have them go on to be a good slave for someone else, than, leave with bad feelings and then bad mouth Gor !
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:19:38 pm CDT
Jarl, ~laughing softly~ we are all no doubt aware of the inconsistencies in the books, but You must admit that it makes for lively discussions at times.
aura {Hunter} 20:20:07 pm CDT
so very true shimmer ....then the question is how do they learn if they are judged so quickly and at times unfairly
Lita, Physician 20:20:38 pm CDT
Bretval, I don't think it hurts to discuss both on-line and book issues. Because even on-line, there are proper ways of handling things. For example, I knew of a slave who got in S SNIT and said she went out in the garden and picked a kanda leaf and ate it, thus poisoning herself! Now, first off, this was in Schendi, and kanda only grows in arid regions. Secondly, it is the root not the leaf that is poisonous, and thirdly, a slave has no right to suicide. she does not own her own life. Now had she truly cared about Gor, and truly needed to leave for some reason, she could have arranged to do it in a gorean and honorable way, and not made a fool of herself and her home!
Keeper of flicka 20:20:56 pm CDT
Yes, absolutely flicka, it also allows us to be creative within a structured framework.
aura {Hunter} 20:22:07 pm CDT
eyes widen as Mistress Lita speaks oh my she mutters ....thats awful..
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:22:38 pm CDT
shimmy learned she had to learn FAST if she was to survive! also she on the third time around found Master to help her... he opened her eyes to Gor and it's Magic when she had all but given up... shimmy did leave gor for about 6 months when he released her... but it called her back and she is glad it did. and she has become much better a slave because of her early slave experience.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:23:14 pm CDT
aura and shimmer, the Gorean Shores way does make it far less likely for a "newbie" slave or Master to be killed due to ignorance of Gorean ways. That is one of the things that flicka likes most of all about our home, the genuine desire to help new people to become knowledgeable in a friendly and safe way.
Bretval, Merchant 20:25:22 pm CDT
Do you think that twit cared about the books or the proper way out? I think not... she wanted out and left in a stupid way that left people talking about it... in short she got what she wanted ... attention
Keeper of flicka 20:25:29 pm CDT
shimmer and aura; Just because One can remove a new-to-Gor slave's head for gross incompetency doesn't mean that One should
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:26:58 pm CDT
Master Bretval, flicka thinks You have nailed it! Just like the toddler being naughty, any attention is good attention.
Lita, Physician 20:27:11 pm CDT
Keeper, there are not quite as man "inconsistencies" as some folks think. There are a number of different cultures represented in the books, and of course customs vary somewhat among them. Also, in over 40 years and 30 books, Norman has had plenty of time and space to put anything in Gor that He wants there. So I usually assume if it isn't in the books, it's because He didn't want it there. And I am glad that We here at GS make a agreat effort to provide proper training for our girls, and leave plenty of leeway for mistakes while learning.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:27:22 pm CDT
..... In some foolish people's eyes.
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:28:39 pm CDT
guess what shimmy is trying to say is we all meed to learn our roles then live them to the fullest we know how!
Keeper of flicka 20:30:23 pm CDT
I agree Lita, the 'leeway' given in training is so important for those new to Gor and it is something Gorean Shores excels at when compared to other places.
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:31:44 pm CDT
that is very very true shimmy herself has some issues at times with the training program... but over all it is a well rounded program especially for new slaves.
Lita, Physician 20:33:16 pm CDT
aura,. I once visited a Gorean site where they insisted that Vampires could have been brought to Gor unknowingly in the Voyages of Acquisition! When I entered the room, they were all discussing their Vampire avatars! *shudder* Needless to say I never went back there!
Bretval, Merchant 20:33:59 pm CDT
I agree with that, Lita, every cultures has customs that dictate how people are treated ... sometimes they are the same as other cultures sometimes not...
Keeper of flicka 20:34:21 pm CDT
shimmer; well put.
Syrma Puteus
Carpe Diem
Train Well
Seize the Day
That could be your motto flicka?
aura {Hunter} 20:34:49 pm CDT
goodness Mistress Lita sounds like a total game to this girl
Hunter{aura} 20:35:14 pm CDT
the structure is really what draws us...I am certain of that
aura {Hunter} 20:35:31 pm CDT
sucks her lip in ...leans against her Masters legs and just listens for some things a girl shouldnt say
Lita, Physician 20:35:44 pm CDT
Did to Me too, aura.
aura {Hunter} 20:36:21 pm CDT
can see You Mistress running from that place.....*giggles*
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:36:31 pm CDT
when shimmy was a slave to Master and the wagon people life was different there and she had to r/p different serve different play different.. when she came here she had to learn to play in a tavern .. where ever you go you are constantly learning...
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:37:01 pm CDT
~low chuckle~ How could flicka have any other motto Jarl, being that she is wearing Your collar.
Lita, Physician 20:37:18 pm CDT
I would agree there, Hunter. Trouble is, if one isn't very careful in altering what seem to be details, it is very easy to damage the structure itself.
Hunter{aura} 20:37:47 pm CDT
the reason we discuss is to clarify the structure ..in the books they dont have forum...nor need it..because the characters all are of one mind..ie the authors
Lita, Physician 20:37:56 pm CDT
Exactly, shimmer
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:38:09 pm CDT
Absolutely Master Hunter. That is very true for her
Keeper of flicka 20:38:56 pm CDT
I really agree with you Hunter, it is the structure that draws people in, it is what W/we do with that structure that keeps them in.
ruby~{Randolph} 20:39:12 pm CDT
a slave is always learning...matters not how many Homes they have had
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:41:01 pm CDT
Mistress Lita, ~laughing and baring her non existent fangs~ that room was obviously a parody of a Gorean room, flicka has just finished reading Brave New World and there is no mention of pink teddy bears in that book.
But things can be assumed to be in a "world" even if they are not mentioned in the book/s, flicka is thinking of mundane things like lavatories and towels and for Free Women, sanitary napkins.
marieve{GS -t} 20:42:10 pm CDT
~laughing at flicka's comment~
ruby~{Randolph} 20:42:55 pm CDT
giggles flicka...winks
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:43:17 pm CDT
flicka assumes that the terrible tasting potion we slaves are forced to drink stops us from menstruating. (there is no mention of that in the books), but because a slave is always available to her Master, flicka construes that we do not have periods.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:43:29 pm CDT
hmmm, never thought of that flicka..do FW take slave wine to keep from conceiving?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:44:07 pm CDT
If not, then They would need those products
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:44:25 pm CDT
glad she had her slave wins so no need for the earthen ways of pads grins.
Hunter{aura} 20:44:32 pm CDT
animals dont need lavatories flicka
In the eyes of goreans, the slave is an animal. She is not a person, but an animal. She has no name, saving what her master might choose to call her. She is without caste. She is without citizenship. She is simply an object, to be bartered, or bought or sold. She is simply an article of property, completely, nothing more.
Hunters of Gor pg 168
Lita, Physician 20:44:50 pm CDT
Mot sure if they had indoor plumbing, flicka. Even though they had the baths, there is also mention of latrines and such. And as far as sanitary napkins go, I don't think they would haave been needed, for slaves anyway , as they all took the slave wine. Not sure what the Free Women did. I would love to look up sometime just when sanitary napkins were invented, and what women did before then! *chuckle*
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:44:58 pm CDT
~hand to mouth in mock horror~ !!!!! mistress snowrose, surely not, a Free Woman taking slave wine, whatever would the world be coming to?
Dak 20:45:16 pm CDT
no FW's do not take slave wine, they take one appropriate for FW's and it is much tastier,. *smiles*
Bretval, Merchant 20:45:26 pm CDT
*LOL* That is the truth of any book, flicka and you know it...
Hunter{aura} 20:45:26 pm CDT
of course theres the root of all discussion...how far can we truly go in that mindset?
Keeper of flicka 20:46:11 pm CDT
~Laughing~
Exactly!
flicka that is the
"The Star Trek principle."
You can get detailed drawings of the design of the Starship Enterprise NCC-1700D. Right down to the Captain's cabin. This fictional Starship holds 1300 people.
Yet there are no toilets in the design!
It is what is left out that can be more important than what is put in.
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:46:14 pm CDT
whispers to Mistress be fore pads women ysed lottos of cotton material
aura {Hunter} 20:46:20 pm CDT
girl thinks thats where a certain slang saying come from Mistress Lita...
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:46:44 pm CDT
snowrose knows, but it's too gruesome to discuss in mixed compant Mistress
Lita, Physician 20:47:02 pm CDT
snowrose, since it was part of a Free Woman's job to produce heirs, I doubt if They took slave wine. And My best guess is they made pads of rags, and probably burned them after use.
aura {Hunter} 20:47:14 pm CDT
my Master you will need to send your slaves off to get fixed then no issues *giggles*
Hunter{aura} 20:47:32 pm CDT
they have portholes on the enterprise Keeper...LOL...and a vacuum sucks always
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:47:41 pm CDT
Master Hunter, eeeuchhhhhh, imagine the stench in a Master's home if a slave just squatted like an animal. Or perhaps they had special "picker upperer slaves"
Mistress Lita, in medieval times as flicka understands it they used washable cloths, but in some cultures they use moss inside a special thingy.
Keeper of flicka 20:47:59 pm CDT
Lita I can PM you that answer about napkins, and make you very happy you are living in the 21st Century.
aura {Hunter} 20:48:29 pm CDT
mistress snowrose girl thinks she knows also and was being polite *S*
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:48:41 pm CDT
ohhh ok can we have a new subject think this one is worn out!
Lita, Physician 20:48:56 pm CDT
*LOL* O. I. Keeper. I'm alaready happy I'm past menopause! *snicker*
aura {Hunter} 20:49:21 pm CDT
nips at Masters britches .....bouncing .....girl is excited
Dak 20:50:16 pm CDT
aye I believe so, too shimmer, if there is nothing else it is pretty late to begin a new topic !
Keeper of flicka 20:50:27 pm CDT
~Laughing at Hunter~
That would be interesting zero degrees Kelvin!
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:51:31 pm CDT
Master Hunter, flicka is giggling here at the thought of poking one's nether region out into the vacuum of space.
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:52:08 pm CDT
flicka might like being sucked lol
aura {Hunter} 20:52:18 pm CDT
Master Dak maybe someone could give clarification on the greeting order?
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:52:44 pm CDT
oh flicka shimmy loves ya grins as she pounces on ya licking your cheeks then runs back to her furs.
Dak 20:53:30 pm CDT
I think snowrose did very well on it when she greeted this evening, I don't suppose anyone noticed, huh?
Hunter{aura} 20:53:37 pm CDT
thats a good topic..I had forgotten
LionHeart 20:54:23 pm CDT
listens
aura {Hunter} 20:54:25 pm CDT
Master Dak ....aura was held up by real time so missed mistress snowroses greeting.......
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:54:39 pm CDT
~grabs shimmy as she attempts to rush away, pulls her down, so she falls onto Jarl Keeper's lap~
ooooh you are in for it now shimmy.
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:54:39 pm CDT
shimmy noticed Master smiles brightly Dak 20:57:00 pm CDT
well, since No one is really interested in what I think anyway, maybe you should ask snowrose about greeting orders !!!
aura {Hunter} 20:57:19 pm CDT
if aura is correct a girl can speak freely in forum if she is showing respect?
aura {Hunter} 20:58:17 pm CDT
Master Dak aura is asking clarification because you corrected her within 5 seconds of her posting her greetings...
Lita, Physician 20:58:33 pm CDT
yes, aura
Dak 20:58:42 pm CDT
I'm glad to hear that, shimmer, and if the Free would observe the greeting orders, I'm quite sure the slaves would follow it religiously, *smiles*
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:59:07 pm CDT
the greeting order is in the first lesson..if anyone has questions, they can always write snowrose..or bring it up in class when she asks for questions, before beginning the topic
Dak 20:59:56 pm CDT
snowrose would you mind repeating your greeting order this evening, *smiles*
shimmer{GS}~t~ 20:59:59 pm CDT
greeting Order isyour Owner... the Captains... then Captains Emeritus... then Advisers to the Captains... then Free Men of the home... FRee men guests... Free women of the home ...FRee Women Guests... mistress snow rose.... trainers... slaves of the home ... splaves privately owned of the home... slaves visiting the home...
aura {Hunter} 21:00:32 pm CDT
sorry this girls Master has been called to real time
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:00:55 pm CDT
no shimmer, Advisors are greeted before Captains Emeritus
aura {Hunter} 21:01:02 pm CDT
shimmer nods soft that is the order in which aura did greet
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:01:12 pm CDT
SHimmer yep thier is no order or pledges `~
ruby~{Randolph} 21:02:54 pm CDT
smiles to being at the bottom...being a guest slave..winks to mari
aura {Hunter} 21:03:08 pm CDT
saves it for another time....
Hunter{aura} 21:03:16 pm CDT
Returns
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:03:33 pm CDT
Trying to remember Who was here
Greetings Master Dak
Greetings Master Bretval
Greetings Jarl Keeper
Greetings Master Hunter
Greetings Mistress Lita
greetings shimmer, flicka and ruby
aura {Hunter} 21:03:39 pm CDT
ruby sweets aura is there also *giggles*
shimmer{GS}~t~ 21:03:45 pm CDT
sorry shimmy knew that blushes as red as her silks.
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:03:58 pm CDT
snow missed me
Keeper of flicka 21:04:15 pm CDT
Since when is there a greeting order for slaves?
Slaves are like cattle they are not greeted in order!
Since when is MY flicka greeted after another slave just because she is owned by Me?
I would really like this brought up as a proper topic next week and discussed fully.
marieve{GS -t} 21:04:16 pm CDT
~winks then blinks at ruby~
ruby~{Randolph} 21:05:29 pm CDT
aura
your Master is pledged..smiles
marieve{GS -t} 21:05:44 pm CDT
the only slave in the greeting order is the first girl
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:05:52 pm CDT
Jarl Keeper we had this discussion the other night in the tavern thier is no order other than Captains`~ senior caption first
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:05:58 pm CDT
there has always been a greeting order for slaves Jarl GS slaves are greeted before personal slaves of the pledged, visiting collared slaves after that, freenecks last of all
Keeper of flicka 21:06:06 pm CDT
Serve well snowrose
Hunter{aura} 21:06:11 pm CDT
there was nothing wrong with your greeting My slut...in fact I admire how hard you have worked both at lessons and in private with Me as we learn the ways of this home better
Keeper of flicka 21:06:35 pm CDT
Where is that published snowrose?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:07:36 pm CDT
You were not here yet when snowrose entered Master..she greeted You in private as the meeting had begun
Keeper of flicka 21:07:47 pm CDT
That was My understanding marieve.
First girl, fair enough.
The other order, who decided on that and when?
aura {Hunter} 21:08:11 pm CDT
Master she is trying very hard ....
ruby~{Randolph} 21:08:38 pm CDT
looks to mitress snowrose
girl never read that in the manual...indeed you are greeted before other slaves
perplexed
aura {Hunter} 21:09:29 pm CDT
so what is different about how mistress snowrose greeted to how i greeted... i greeted the Masters then Lady Lita then the slaves
Dak 21:10:24 pm CDT
she greeted them in the order of their pledging !
Keeper of flicka 21:10:41 pm CDT
~Looking at Dak.~
It would be more opportune to take up this discussion next week?
aura {Hunter} 21:11:04 pm CDT
girl accepts and likes that gor is tough ...is harsh ....
but speaking freely .... surely ones should be made slightly welcome...
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:11:16 pm CDT
she was taught it in class Jarl..by the former first girl...The webpage needs up dating on many things that have changed over time...snowrose tell the slaves the greeting order, written before her time, but also that the Free don't really care about it, so they usually won't be scolded...she herself doesn't care when she is greeted, but tries to do it properly as an example
shimmer{GS}~t~ 21:11:42 pm CDT
angelfire.com/vt/goreanshores/kajirainfo/rules.html
Greeting Order You are expected to greet the Council of Captains first, including Advisors, then Captain Emeritus, if any are present. Next you will greet any Pledged Male Patrons of Gorean Shores then other Free Men, any Pledged Free Women of Gorean Shores present, any other Free Women, the GSfg, and the GSsg. They are to be greeted before you may greet any kajirae/slaves. Do not greet fellow slaves until they have been given permission to enter and are in the room.
For personally owned kajira if your Owner is in the room and they are the One that granted entry, greet them first and ask permission to greet the others. After getting permission to greet, use the above order of greeting also. If Your Owner is in Gorean Shores but another Master/Mistress has given you permission to enter, go to your Masters/Mistresses feet, greet Them then beg your Owner to greet the others. Once permission is granted, you may then greet in the order above. If your Master/Mistress is not in the room, please follow the above order
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:12:51 pm CDT
but newer girls can't be expected to know the oder of pledging. ..snowrose has just been here a long time and does it... It is not taught in the lessons
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:12:53 pm CDT
A while ago mistress snowrose stated in slave class that slaves were to be greeted in a particular order, as far as flicka is concerned, other than the respect due to a first girl, all other slaves are equal, ergo flicka greets in order of them having arrived in the room.
aura {Hunter} 21:13:59 pm CDT
plus ones leave ...some are banned and allowed back ....
Keeper of flicka 21:14:12 pm CDT
Reading shimmer's post;
So there is no mention of a greeting order for slaves?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:15:43 pm CDT
she meant the Free don't care about the slave order...
Hunter{aura} 21:15:51 pm CDT
Yes ..the web pages do need updating....or these issues will remain
as far as I am concerened until I read it as a rule it doesnt exist
shimmer{GS}~t~ 21:15:51 pm CDT
guess not in the Manuel Jarl
Keeper of flicka 21:16:01 pm CDT
Oh, flicka?
I would have thought that kind of change of procedure was the province of the Captains?
Dak 21:16:21 pm CDT
now really, when greeting a room full of slaves would you greet one in a white silk ahead of one in reds
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:17:03 pm CDT
flicka agrees with her Jarl, this is a topic that should be discussed at the start of forum not the end.
And no a new girl cannot be expected to know the order of a Master's pledging, flicka needs to refresh herself on the strictures contained within the manual as to the order for Masters, other than Captains, advisors and Captains Emeritus. As far as flicka is concerned if it is not stated explicitly in the manual it does not exist, and that goes for word of mouth teachings of previous first girls.
ruby~{Randolph} 21:17:25 pm CDT
mistress
just clarificaton..you indicated to follow the manual..till it can be updates..do you still hold that position?
Keeper of flicka 21:18:43 pm CDT
Dak, do you agree, it might be better to discuss this next week?
Hunter{aura} 21:19:07 pm CDT
the only way that can be gotten right always is 1 the pages are made up to date very regularly as silks change ..etc..etc...and 2 those entering always read the pages first..same applies with the concept of seniority of pledges
ruby~{Randolph} 21:19:31 pm CDT
agrees Jarl Keeper..not a slaves place to set the greeting order..its in the hands of the Captains
aura {Hunter} 21:19:32 pm CDT
aura is sorry for bringing the subject up... she will button her lips in future
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:19:32 pm CDT
yes ruby, she did say that, even though the order is taught in the lessons...not everyone is trained by GS.
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:19:33 pm CDT
Shimmer yep thier is no order of greetings pledged Masters
aura {Hunter} 21:20:26 pm CDT
Master trouble is finding someone to do that work ... as Master know if it was set out in an SMF forum style aura would be a whiz *grins*
Dak 21:21:39 pm CDT
not everything in the manual is completely written as intended , *smiles*
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:22:17 pm CDT
Master Dak, ruby is a privately owned red silk, according to mistress snowrose's greeting order ruby would be greeted after the rawest of white silks if that white silk were owned by the Tavern.
Like her Jarl flicka thinks this should be discussed next week.
Dak 21:22:33 pm CDT
I believe it is done in HTML form , if I'm not mistaken
shimmer{GS}~t~ 21:23:21 pm CDT
shimmy is just an animal but she thinks it should be gone over also.
Keeper of flicka 21:23:31 pm CDT
I agree Hunter.
Part of the problem is that only one person has all the passwords, time, and html knowledge to do that.
Last time I used html it was in Roman numerals!
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:23:37 pm CDT
that is true flicka..GS slaves first
Dak 21:24:01 pm CDT
aye, becuz she is privately owned can you find it not feasible for the tavern to own red and yellow silk slaves ?
Hunter{aura} 21:24:21 pm CDT
Lovely race the romans
shimmer{GS}~t~ 21:24:57 pm CDT
shimmy knows HTLM coding she use to use it in her old home where she came from
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:25:55 pm CDT
Master Dak, yes it is html format and flicka is able to some extent to update the pages, she has asked for clarification on some aspects but is awaiting a response. Also flicka can and will update pledges and collarings and silks etc. as she is advised to do.
Regarding forum notes flicka has managed to have the forums from 2010 and 2012 posted up, but does not have many of 2013 and due to real time events flicka has been slow at posting the forums of 2014, the ones that have been sent to her.
shimmer{GS}~t~ 21:26:10 pm CDT
thinks slaves should be able to be greeted any way they wish no slave so better than another except FG
Keeper of flicka 21:26:16 pm CDT
My point is who decided GS slaves first and why?
It is not in keeping with the books, as Hunter mentioned earlier slave are like cattle or livestock.
When I used to own 8 chickens there was no greeting order for My property.
Hunter{aura} 21:26:43 pm CDT
Thanks for hosting Dak...smiles to flicka...thank you for scribing
aura {Hunter} 21:28:07 pm CDT
flicka oohh that means you can put aura on there *grins*
and and and .....oohh this girl has a secret..
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:28:20 pm CDT
~chuckling ~ But Jarl You named then after Roman Goddesses so surely Hera should have come first?
Dak 21:29:26 pm CDT
aye, th forum is closed, I think all for coming and participation,
thanks flicka for scribing
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:29:44 pm CDT
aura, as most know Jarl and flicka have been in the throes of moving to a new property, flicka has been remiss at many things concerning Gorean Shores, but yes she is now back in harness so to speak and will spend all afternoon doing a some "people" updates.
Keeper of flicka 21:30:14 pm CDT
Yes Indeed.
Hera was a Greek Goddess.
Juno was the Roman chief Goddess.
Do you get a Jarl smack for that?
~Evil laugh~
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:30:18 pm CDT
Thank You Master Dak for officiating. ~chuckling~ flicka loves big words, thank You Master Dak for leading.
shimmer{GS}~t~ 21:30:19 pm CDT
thank you for leading Master Dak smiles
thank you for scribing flicka smiles
slips out into the night for a bit.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:30:21 pm CDT
Thank You for leading Master Dak...
thank you for scribing flicka
ruby~{Randolph} 21:30:58 pm CDT
Master Dak
thank for leading a hot topic
flicka ..thank you for scribing pretty girl
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:31:06 pm CDT
Dang Jarl flicka just took a wild punt on the order of the Goddesses, You know how "wild colonial" she is about things of protocol.
Bretval, Merchant 21:31:21 pm CDT
Sorry A/all but I greet slaves as they enter or as I choose... except the first girl whom I greet first as respect.. and then trainers if I remember...
Keeper of flicka 21:31:23 pm CDT
Thank You Dak for leading.
Thank You do My little one for scribing.
aura {Hunter} 21:31:38 pm CDT
flicka aura was in no way saying it should be done.... *S* she knows how much work that stuff is
girl runs a busy forum ....
Dak 21:32:04 pm CDT
it was not uncommon in the chains for their be ones higher in the order , so I'm not sure your assessment that they were all the same is true , in Gor !
Hunter{aura} 21:32:48 pm CDT flicka in harness...does that mean pony rides at your place Keeper?....Grins
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:33:17 pm CDT
she tells the slaves that the slave greeting order is not important to the Free, not that they have to adhere to it rigidly. just that it exists, that's all.
she was taught it. she didn't make it up.
aura {Hunter} 21:34:28 pm CDT
when aura get a sissy think we will be equal *grins*
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:34:51 pm CDT
Master Hunter, ~low delighted laugh~ shhh Mistress Lita would not approve of allusions to pony girl play in a Gorean context, flicka is sure.
aura {Hunter} 21:34:57 pm CDT
aye to mistress snowroses words
Bretval, Merchant 21:36:17 pm CDT
Thanks Dak for leading and to you flicka for scribing