Laroona-scribe 19:14:42 CST
Harkon if you are in agreement, I can moderate
maybe we can get this Forum started *S*
Laroona-scribe 19:15:19 CST
Sandman unless you wish to moderate you snuck in under my guard LOL
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:16:51 CST
smiles at Laroona,, I will if necessary ,, but it would be more appropriate for
one of the Captains
Laroona-scribe 19:17:40 CST
Sandman who knows when one willl arrive
Captain Rollo apologises he is unable to attend
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:19:06 CST
listenning to Laroona,, ahh .. I see
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:20:54 CST
taking my staff .. striking the but on the floor,, the echo thundering through
the room .. this meeting will come to order
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:21:31 CST
as we of GS all know,, the greetings need to be slient ones for the remainder of
the meeting
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:22:32 CST
striking my staff again,, quiet all
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:23:17 CST
pm's only on cross talk,, does everyone understand?,, looking serious around the
room
Harkon 19:24:17 CST
Grinning at the serious look of the one called Sandman... then laughing aloud...
"Aye! We understand! Get on with it!"
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:25:02 CST
listenning to the last of the echo.. dying away ,, now then .. Tal to the Free
greetings slaves,,
welcome visitors,
The Meeting is called to order,,
If any one has a topic of discussion pm me,,
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:25:30 CST
Laughing with Harkon ,, indeed
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:26:23 CST
ok ,, shiva has a topic,, speak girl,, and watch that saucy tongue of yours
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:27:31 CST
topic withdrawn
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:27:48 CST
are there any other topics?
Kyoto 19:29:03 CST
Nodding to those within as I settle in to listen.
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:29:31 CST
I have been reminded that the topics are to be anonymus,,,,any more topics
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:31:16 CST
chuckling ...this may be a short meeting,, I have that reputation
Laroona-scribe 19:31:18 CST
Captain Kyoto... Captain Rollo is unable to attend this forum
Sandman has commenced proceedings *S*
BANNING PEOPLE FROM GS
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:33:54 CST
Tal Captain Xertog..
we have a topic,,
Should a single Captain have the power to ban a person from GS or should it be
voted on by the whole Council?"
zara_A_ 19:35:49 CST
~speaks quietly~
A girl thinks that it should be up to the Council..what if One Captian doesn't
like the person, or there is a personal conflict....
lailei_GS_ 19:36:05 CST
lailei thinks it would depend on the situation
Harkon 19:36:06 CST
"A single Captain should have the authority and the power to ban a single person
from GS, however that decision should always be something that can be overturned
by the council upon further deliberation...
Generally a warning should be issued first though, as everyone should be given
at least a chance to curb their unruly behaviour..."
topaz{Rast's_girl} 19:36:37 CST
nods hearing zara..
topaz agrees, as the banning of a person in indeed a very serious thing to do
es_belle~{T} 19:36:42 CST
no matter what zara there is alawys a personal conflict, everony has their
favorets and their least favorets. but your right GS was build on the consipt of
a COUNCIL of captians not An Ubar.
Kyoto 19:36:58 CST
A single Captain can set a temporary ban, but then it would go before the entire
council to adjudicate.
That's the way it's been done in the past...
Harkon 19:37:36 CST
"Any logs of the incident in question should be kept by the Captain in question
as well, so as to allow other parties to make their own judgement if
necessary... I know how sometimes a hot head can over-ride logical thought
processes..."
shiva_lyn_GS_ 19:37:57 CST
why not just ban for a length of time..? unless it is unforgiveable...
Laroona-scribe 19:38:39 CST
I consider warnings are appropriate as often newcomers need some coaching to the
Gorean ways *S*
if disregard to GS Rules and Protocols continues then I agree a temp banning
could be in place until all Council can vote,,, whcih in many cases as I
understand can be via emails *S*
topaz{Rast's_girl} 19:38:55 CST
a ban is serious, and as belle said, we have a Council not an ubarship...nods
Jaegers_kath 19:38:59 CST
and kath adds, that the behavior must truly be bad to cause a banning
*nods*..and then surely such a thing would be posted on the boards?
Kyoto 19:39:17 CST
Good thing there aren't any hotheads on the Council.
Looking at the ceiling, suddenly wondering how all those cobwebs ended up in the
rafters.
jade{Dk} 19:39:45 CST
jade believes that a decission that important should be handled by Council vote,
as zara is right, One Man may have a person beef with one Man, FW or slave but
chances are a vote among FM would be more of a true decission.
Deirdre 19:40:19 CST
I think that We should have more faith in the judgement of Our Captains. As
Kyoto said, GS has always followed the practice.....either as an unwritten
policy or simply as certain incidents presented themselves.....that a single
Captain could evoke a temporary ban....until the Council makes a permenant
ruling. I don't see the "down" side toth at at all.
zara_A_ 19:40:34 CST
~thinks for a moment before she speaks~
A girl has always seen the warning posted on the Boards..Master Paedur has done
such recently...but the choice is to the Council...the Captains should all be
involved
Harkon 19:41:15 CST
Looking to those speaking out against an Ubarship...
"And what if there is only one captain available at the time? What if the one
behaving in the unacceptable manner continues to do so despite repeated
warnings?
A Captain should be able to issue a ban if necessary... as long as that ban is
reviewed and over-turned if deemed necessary at a later date..."
Deirdre 19:42:37 CST
*nodding in agreement with Harkon*
Exactly......as it has always been done here in GS
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:42:52 CST
offerring my opinnion,, I think a temperary ban by a single Captain may be
necessary if no others are available,, but a ruling by the full council will
assure that it isnt a one to one presonality conflict
Jaegers_kath 19:43:44 CST
Mmmm.....~shaking my head~ kath doesn't think it is a good idea that some should
"arbitrarily" or Ubar like make decisions on something so devastating.
Especially is one is perhaps not new to GS and wanting to obey protocols, but
perhaps not lose their personal honor....which a girl understands is the length
of their sword? Anyway, if such an act is needed, warnings should be posted
first and then a Council decision made.....and in this regard? Is there protocol
posted for banning that all may read
~es_belle~{T} 19:43:44 CST
with all do respect Jarl Harkon, im not speaking out agenst Ubarship, im just
stating that GS is built on a Coucil not an Ubarship. After all this is a GS
forum not a general Gorean Forum. In my personal oppinion, Ubarships can be a
grand thing if the right Jarl or Master is in charge
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:44:24 CST
looking around the room .. there seems to be a general agreement on the subject
that I believe matches current pilocy,, are there any dissenting opinnions?
Laroona-scribe 19:44:56 CST
as an addendum question
would Pledged patrons act inappropriately in ordering slaves to depart to the
kennels or a safe room, or place a person on ignore say if a HNG refused to
abide by the rules
Harkon 19:45:06 CST
"If a Captain chooses to issue a ban however he should always keep logs of the
incident as proof that he acted in a reasonable manner... that way he can lay
the facts before the council and show that he did not act in haste...
The only down side to that I can see is if the logs are altered by the Captain
in question, however I'd hope none of the council of GS would be of such low
moral character that they'd stoop to such methods to achieve their ends
~segen~{Sg} 19:45:38 CST
Sounds as if most agree that what is in place at this time is appropriate. That
a Captain can ban temporarly if necessary then it goes before the full
council...(unless girl has misunderstrood the comments)
jade{Dk} 19:45:40 CST
jade is curious is there a time limit on how long it should take to come up with
a decission by the Council... we are trying to keep GS growing, is running
people off really something that should happen so easily in GS?
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:45:48 CST
nodding to Laroona.. well said
Kyoto 19:47:06 CST
Understand, that when I say one man may make a decision to temporarily ban
someone. It is not a decision any of us would ever take lightly. That might
occur if there had already been incidents where the person had pushed the limits
to the point where he or she had already been discussed in private.
None of the council takes our job lightly
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:47:21 CST
any more?.. looking around the room
Jaegers_kath 19:47:47 CST
There have been warnings on the boards before...look at the actions of Torvask?
And even HE was warned.
i would like to see a policy of the Council and Council members banning if ONE
is only present.
yalena{Sg}~t 19:48:18 CST
~nods~ aye Mistress Laroona, a girl has seen this done before, when it got
really bad and offensive and disruptive
Harkon 19:48:30 CST
Looking to Laroona...
"I don't think so... as a pledge to GS you've also pledged to protect your
home... including its property...
Sending the slaves away to a place of safety when some moron comes in here
looking for a quick cyber lay is merely watching the investments of your home...
I don't think that's over-reacting..."
Laroona-scribe 19:49:08 CST
LOL kath over and over ... it became tedious (sp) LOL
~segen~{Sg} 19:49:16 CST
Torvask was a pledged patron...that would mean the situation would need to be
handled differently segen would guess...
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:49:34 CST
Captains Kyoto and Xertog .....can you bring this to the council and discuss esp
Laroona's comment about pledged patrons taking care of the slaves when a HNG is
about?
topaz{Rast's_girl} 19:49:44 CST
true kath, master Torvask was repeatedly warned and on the baods, before He was
banned
Jaegers_kath 19:50:16 CST
Yes Master Sandman, kath disagrees and does not see that there is overwhelming
approval of what has been stated is the current policy regarding banning. I
would like this topic referred to Council for a public address on the boards
Harkon 19:50:31 CST
Has no knowledge of the Torvask incident, having no longer been here when that
happened...
Kyoto 19:50:52 CST
What are you saying, kath?
lailei_GS_ 19:51:03 CST
Master Torvask was handled appropriately
Laroona-scribe 19:51:12 CST
Harkon I would protect the slaves and others of my Home anyway I could if need
be *S*
Harkon 19:51:56 CST
Grinning at Laroona...
"That's not your job... however if no men were present then I guess it would
fall to you..."
Laroona-scribe 19:53:31 CST
Harkon if they entered the Piazza and wanted to fur the white silks I would soon
shoosh the slaves away LOL
and send the C&P to Council to deal with *S*
hee bit hard fighting with a quill LOL
zara_A_ 19:53:49 CST
~listens to the Jarl's words, understanding why so Mmany Respected Him~
Jaegers_kath 19:54:23 CST
Master Kyoto..kath does not believe that it is the usual occurence of the
Council for one Captain to ban someone in GS, patron or pledged without
warnings...both private explaining the behavior in question, and upon the
message board. Now if the Council as a group should decide to ban an individual,
then that also should be posted upon the boards.....as has been done THIS way
before also...SO, in light of that...kath would like to see the policy of the
Captains regarding banning publicly posted so that all may read an understand
what that policy is.
Harkon 19:54:39 CST
Nodding at the woman's words...
"Aye, though some of those quills can be damn pointy... and those ink stains...
Gods!"
Kyoto 19:55:05 CST
Any pledged patron may send the slaves to a place of safety in a time of danger.
When I take a pledge, I ask if that person will defend GS. Being a patron
doesn't just mean guys can get a guaranteed cyber lay. There is an implied
responsibility.
Sandman,,Builder_ 19:57:01 CST
nodding to Kyoto,, it is an honor to be pledged here,it is an honor to be called
Master ...and with that honor comes responsibility ..esp. for protecting those
who canot protect themselves
Harkon 19:57:02 CST
Grinning to Kyoto...
"Hey, when I take it into my head to get a cyber lay... that's a guarantee in
itself..."
A brief moment for jovial words... before returning to the matter at hand...
Jaegers_kath 19:57:05 CST
kath does not think this is an unreasonable request of the Council
Harkon 19:59:56 CST
Settles back to watch, waiting to see how the request of the girl named kath
plays out...
Kyoto 20:00:45 CST
No ban, temporary or permanent, should ever be put into place without that
person being spoken to first. If there is no agreement that the offending
actions, those that violate the protocols and rules of Gorean Shores, need to be
corrected and are corrected, then a temporary ban may be put into place.
But the Captain needs to send all relevent information to the rest of the
council for review.
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:01:33 CST
I am thinking that the Tharlarion had been well and truly beaten,,, Kyoto can
you take this to the council and ask a posting
Jaegers_kath 20:04:57 CST
Thank You Master Kyoto for stating that, but again kath says that a warning of
banning must be given before the fact..and girl would still request the Council
to post it's policy. We are fortunate in GS that we have voted in a Council to
operate upon this site...we are also fortunate to have a forum where discussion
and understanding may take place. Master Kyoto...both Master Sandman and myself
have asked You and Master Xertog to take this to the Council....will You please
acknowledge?
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:05:05 CST
striking my staff on the floor,,, topic closed for this meeting,,,
new topic:
why white silks have to wait to be "opened"
Kyoto 20:05:29 CST
Ahhh, I see kath... I'll remember that the next time I see a police officer in
action to stop a criminal. After all, he must, according to your recomendation,
consult the entire committee, aka legal system, before he is allowed to pursue
his duties regarding the protection of the general public.
lailei_GS_ 20:06:13 CST
cuz we cant be opened without yellow silks
Kyoto 20:06:27 CST
kath, when did you vote on the council?
Kyoto 20:06:50 CST
It is not closed yet, Sandman
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:07:04 CST
go on Captain
topaz{Rast's_girl} 20:08:20 CST
(((Master Keene wished me to post He is no longer in Forum)))
Harkon 20:07:20 CST
Glancing at the girl kath, sensing an undertone of impatience or disrespect in
her words... a frown, thinking freedom to speak does not mean freedom to behave
in a displeasing manner... yet remaining mostly silent on the matter... for
now...
Harkon 20:09:07 CST
A grin as he sees Paedur... inhaling deep... and feeling the Gorean blood
flowing through his veins again... to have Kyoto and Paedur in the room brought
back old memories of old times... when he had not been so disillusioned with
online Gor...
Kyoto 20:10:42 CST
And kath, you don't "say" what must be done in Gorean Shores. You have no rights
within this establishment other than those we, the ruling council of Gorean
Shores, have allowed you to have within this forum.
You may offer your opinion in a respectful manner, but it ends there.
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:12:07 CST
looking around the room . any more discussion on the topic of banning?
Kyoto 20:12:12 CST
Pass along to Keene for me that I would like to speak to him after the forum
when he has the time, topaz.
~es_belle~{T} 20:12:21 CST
*soft chuckle* yeah kath we are just slaves, worthless pices of meat, our short
moment of freedome of speech here is like a drop of rain in a thunder storm, it
means nothing at all... *and goes quiet again*
Kyoto 20:13:04 CST
No, I've said my piece on it, Sandman. Thank you for the extra time.
Kyoto 20:13:44 CST
Ignoring belle...
~es_belle~{T} 20:14:20 CST
*soft sigh* not the first time, not the last...
alyena{GS} 20:14:31 CST
a girls short moment shouldn't be without respect...
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:14:53 CST
No problem ,, looking over at the slaves,, in the interest of the poor scribe's
fingers,,the cross talk will be kept in pm
Kyoto 20:15:17 CST
No, it will not be the last time as long as you carry an attitude such as that,
belle.
Remember your place here.
Harkon 20:15:33 CST
Decides not to ignore belle...
"Yes, that's exactly what a slave is in Gor... live with it or choose another
role..."
Settling again, his thoughts his own...
Xertog 20:15:34 CST
Kyoto I am talking to Keene on MSN now.
~es_belle~{T} 20:15:46 CST
i am remembering my place Kyoto and right now I only come in to play but trust
me it will soon be the last time...
Goodnight all fair well hope tos ee you all soon again
Kyoto 20:16:30 CST
Good to hear, belle.
WHITE SILKS AND OPENING
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:16:38 CST
the second topic was given as: why white silks have to wait to be "opened"
shiva_lyn_GS_ 20:17:12 CST
~just smiles..waiting to hear the comments on this one~
Laroona-scribe 20:17:40 CST
A REMINDER!!
The following Protocols and Rules are to be followed in all future forums at
soon as the forum is called to order, this is allow a free flowing forum.
1) All greetings and chatting, and other actions is to be held to a minimum.
Those can be made in PM's;
2) Please PM the moderator with any topics you wish discussed;
3) It is not necessary for any to post an entry to the forum;
4) All persons whether Free or kajirae are ENCOURAGED to speak what is on their
mind. All should always be respectful no matter what our station on Gor;
5) Mutual respect is the only RULE at the forums, all the rest is normal
protocol that exists during the forum;
6) Each topic will be addressed by any that wish to speak on it, but in order to
save time, maybe type up your post in a separate text format and then simply cut
and paste it into the chat window;
7) The forums are intended as both a learning experience for all and intended to
promote unity amongst all of Gorean Shores and others, so come and listen as
well as contribute;
8) Words/thoughts spoken at the forum are a separate entity from the daily
protocols of Gorean Shores. Please remember there is to be no retaliation of any
words, thoughts spoken by any slave during the forums, as it goes against the
principles of the forum;
9) Please keep actions posts to a minimum, your words and thoughts are more
important;
10) Notes are kept for future reference of the forums and many scribes work hard
at saving the posts, please keep the work they do behind the scenes in mind.
Most important is to enjoy your time
~segen~{Sg} 20:18:10 CST
Once they get their white silks they can be opened by anyone unless the
SlaveMaster has a different idea of how the girl should be opened (as in the
case of lailei where here opening is auctioned off) she believes...
lailei_GS_ 20:18:28 CST
because they cant even show heat until they are yellow, pretty self explanitory
Paedur-Slavemaster 20:18:32 CST
We need to remember though that this night and this place is open to al to speak
freely their minds and their peace, without rebuke.
As long as it is done so respectfully.
and although I am not defending the slaves for what I have seen so far was not
done very respectfully, We as Free do not dismiss slight of hand either.
Kyoto 20:19:13 CST
kath, if you continue to have issues with the way Gorean Shores is run, feel
free to leave at any point.
Laroona-scribe 20:20:08 CST
IMO white silks and the training process established by GS was that white silks
learnt the basics and know the baisics and well .... before opening
plus the added value of a virgin slave
Harkon 20:21:09 CST
"Ostensibly a white has to wait to be yellow before she's opened because it's
the best way to ensure she will be pleasing after being fully trained...
Realistically it's a way for Gorean men online to ensure that nobody else
touches their property... since let's face it... I doubt there's any slave in
Gor that hasn't been opened at some stage..."
Laughing softly...
Paedur-Slavemaster 20:22:13 CST
White silks are not sexual in any manner because they need to focus on learning
GS way period and not focus on furring everyone they can.
It is a small way, a manner to keep hng's as slaves out of Gor and GS.
It also allows Us time to evaluate their "value" and gives thema time to learn
what people are here in GS, versus how well they cyber.
shiva_lyn_GS_ 20:22:39 CST
well..that's a relief to know all white will be oened one day...
~lil chuckle as shiva fans herself~
lailei_GS_ 20:22:56 CST
Jarl Harkon, lailei is white silk and a virgin, literaly
Harkon 20:23:28 CST
Nodding to lailei...
"Well, that's good to know... you might be worth bidding on after all..."
Grin...
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:25:30 CST
tapping my staff gently .. any more comments on the topic?
amira{GS} 20:25:33 CST
tis a girl opinion
that if a white silk were let loose in a sexual manner
they would in fact only learn how to fur and not learn the proper ways to serve
the Free and the proper behavior expected of a GS slave.
furring is the easy part,
~doesnt take much thought to fur~
its the other things that mark a GS slave AS a GS slave, and bring honor and
value to GS
shiva_lyn_GS_ 20:26:10 CST
well..this girl understands the wisdom in that...
~nodding~
Jaegers_kath 20:26:29 CST
Master Kyoto, a girl has no problem with the way GS is run at all and has simply
spoken honestly before those assembled here. There is question, not disrespect..
Kyoto 20:27:03 CST
And you felt you learned better and faster that way, amira?
Laroona-scribe 20:27:04 CST
hence why there are steps in place for slaves to learn so none end up with bad
serves
topaz{Rast's_girl} 20:27:15 CST
amira, exactly!
you nailed it sis and what topaz has said all along!!
grins
shiva_lyn_GS_ 20:27:56 CST
doesn't mean it is easy though ..having to be so restrained! ~g~
Harkon 20:28:18 CST
kath, it was not what you said that was disrespectful, it was the way you said
it... the way you phrased certain words was done in a way that could have been
seen as disrespectful... there's no point going into it here though, as the
topic has been deemed to be closed...
amira{GS} 20:28:46 CST
eyes raise ti Master Kyoto
Aye Master
a girl learned the way to honor GS, not to simply fur the first Man who walked
in
she learned to bring beauty and grace to her prescence, and to BE a slave.
not simply act like one
Laroona-scribe 20:28:53 CST
restraint in a slave is good it teaches self control and urges slaves to strive
to the higher levels *S*
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 20:29:11 CST
~*smiles to shiva*~
Perhaps the Masters, in their wisdom use that as an incentive for white silks to
study hard so that they may attain the honor
Harkon 20:29:22 CST
My attention caught by amira, an appraising eyes falling upon the girl at her
words...
Kyoto 20:29:23 CST
shiva, it's probably good that you are restrained for now.
Grinning at the girl
shiva_lyn_GS_ 20:29:59 CST
and put to use ALL that pent up energy...~laughs softly~
shiva_lyn_GS_ 20:30:30 CST
~soft purr~
good for Who Master?
~giggle~
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:30:46 CST
looks over to shiva,, put all that energy into learning to serve and be
pleasing,, the other will follow with work
lailei_GS_ 20:31:24 CST
~ shiva...lailei knows that the Master's are not blind...they see us...but we
need to learn the ways...lailei's not sure about furring but really how hard can
it be?
amira{GS} 20:32:00 CST
~tilts her eyes towards shiva~
sis there are always plenty of tankards to wash~
grins at her softly~
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:31:35 CST
if there are no objections,, I will go to the next topic,, listenning .....
Laroona-scribe 20:32:04 CST
nor are the Mistresses blind laelie remember that
GOREAN IDEALOGIES
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:33:02 CST
next topic,, and its a broad one:
'How far should someone be willing to go in their attempts to re-create the
ideals of the Gorean books online? And on a related topic, how does one deal
with role players who only seem interested in coming here and having a good time
regardless of whether it perverts the nature of Norman's books or not.
Kyoto 20:33:49 CST
I guess it depends on the man, lailei...
Chuckling
Kyoto 20:34:37 CST
Don't get me started on this one. I'm a hardcore book thumper
segen~{Sg} 20:34:38 CST
~tilts head unsure of the topic~
the guidlines are in the GS rules for GS and if someone wants something
different they should look elsewhere to fulfill there needs...
topaz{Rast's_girl} 20:34:53 CST
now that is a good one Master sandman!!
smiles
it is ALWYS stated GS tries to stay true to the books as MUCH as possible
and then others come in and ignore not only that but do NOT act even slightly
Gorean...and yet it is allowed....
our rules are clear and easy for all to read, yet some think it matters not
Shadowhawk Outlaw 20:35:36 CST
*nods agreeing with Kyoto of said subject*
Xertog 20:36:13 CST
Just a quick announcement so people here know. The ban on Keene has been lifted.
He is welcome in Gorean Shores.
Deirdre 20:36:17 CST
*nodding to segen's assessment*
Absolutely. Read....understand the protocols that have translated to THIS online
Gor site.............follow the protocols........or leave and find a different
kind of Gor.....or even a different kind of roleplay.
topaz{Rast's_girl} 20:36:21 CST
whimpers...Master Sandman...correcting her error
Harkon 20:36:31 CST
"As I am a hardcore book thumper... which is why I get so pissed off when I get
told 'my dime my time' or 'it's only RP'... or... 'you didn't know that! I was
only thinking it'..."
Nodding...
Shadowhawk Outlaw 20:36:37 CST
why I still feel.. it should say in bold letters at the gate house..
BE GOREAN.. or BE GONE..
topaz{Rast's_girl} 20:37:03 CST
claps heartily
welcome back Master Keene!!
many here have missed You!
*smiles*
Kyoto 20:37:24 CST
The problem with that, topaz, is how do we correct those that do not follow our
rules. We talk to them, we instruct them... how do we correct them other than a
temporary banning?
(Being facetious on that last part.)
Deirdre 20:38:56 CST
*grinning at Kyoto*
I'm totally impressed at THAT big word, Captain....
Laroona-scribe 20:38:56 CST
indeed quotes are good to rely on
but GS has its rules and protocols,,, that are derived from the books
again the books are often used out of context or the intreprastion of one
differs from others *S*
Sahdowhawk Outlaw 20:38:58 CST
exactly Harkon.. they knew of rule before entering.. tis something Wwe have and
paid for.. so if Oour rules are not followed.. then be gone.. tis not DisneyGor
Harkon 20:39:03 CST
"I don't think the whole 'Be Gorean or be gone' attitude is such a good thing...
unless it was rephrased to 'Act in a Gorean manner, if you know nothing about
Gor, watch and learn, if you choose to behave in a manner that is not Gorean,
despite the fact that you know better, then get the hell out.'
Paedur-Slavemaster 20:39:04 CST
Damn I lost that bet betting that Shadowhawk would be the first one to post His
opinion on THAT. LOL
shiva_lyn_GS_ 20:39:46 CST
this girl takes Gorean philosophy to heart..contrary to her earlier "behaviour"
~grin~...and thinks that ones coming here should respect the work ..time and
effort put in by the moderators, site developers ect...
Wanderers should be encouraged, but anyone who is here just to screw around
..make fun of it..ect..should be "escorted" out
topaz{Rast's_girl} 20:39:51 CST
chuckles softly and smiles at You
Master Kyoto, most of Us are smart enough and intelligent enough to be able to
speak politely and nicely to the person, if they are not known
BUT
there are those who are known, and do this, and those it is harder, especially
for a slave to say, excuse me, but please, this room is not the right room
or this sort of talk is frowned upon
all are in our rules.....
sooooooo....there can be a two sided blade there...sighs
Shadowhawk Outlaw 20:40:38 CST
BOL.. and here Paedur.. I tried hard to say nothing.. but this subject.. very
touchy also..
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 20:42:02 CST
ele hates it when people use the excuse, 'I was speaking OOC'. ele's Jarl does
not allow ele to speak "OOC". ele is held responsible for all her words, IC, OOC
and IMs. So...when we were on Gor, ele was um...muchly punished for OOC and IMs.
Kyoto 20:42:10 CST
Nodding as I hear Harkon.
That is correct, my brother. We cannot become so insular that we ignore those
that are new to our life. It is our responsibility as Goreans to share our
knowledge with them and hope they grow.
Sahdowhawk Outlaw 20:43:14 CST
learning is one thing.. but to those that already know.. and still come in in
OOC.. throwing that about loosely.. nor those that refuse to listen of the
teachings and such.. c'mon.. would think You know the difference
topaz{Rast's_girl} 20:43:34 CST
topaz is not referring to People who enter for the first time and know nothing
of Gor..chuckles..of course that is a whole different subject!!
Harkon 20:43:36 CST
"'Be Gorean or be gone.' has done as much to harm online Gor as 'My dime my
time.'. I know if someone had said to me 'Be Gorean or be gone' when I first
came to Gor I would have said - 'Fine, fuck you, I'm gone.'"
topaz{Rast's_girl} 20:43:57 CST
exactly Master Hawk!!...nods*
Laroona-scribe 20:45:15 CST
I agree with Harkons words *S*
'Act in a Gorean manner, if you know nothing about Gor, watch and learn, if you
choose to behave in a manner that is not Gorean, despite the fact that you know
better, then get the hell out.'"
Kyoto 20:45:24 CST
Exactly, topaz.
Many of you slaves do an excellent job, by the way, of weeding out people in our
sister site, The Pool, and tempting some of them to come over and learn.
Laughing
That's how I got here all those years ago
Sahdowhawk Outlaw 20:46:08 CST
was pretty much told to Me Harkon.. I am still here. cuz I wanted to learn..
wanted to be a part of.. and here I still am.. *nods*.. but I am talking of
those that refuse too.. not those that are interested in it
Keene 20:46:15 CST
*nods to Kyoto* I think I was *tempted* back to Gor by a few that are in
attendance as well.
Laroona-scribe 20:47:22 CST
What many forget at times is that we all started online at some point or another
often without the benefit of the books
tolerance comes to mind
Kyoto 20:47:39 CST
I know that, Keene.
Grinning at the man.
Harkon 20:47:40 CST
Nodding to Shadowhawk, grinning.
"Which is why I think the whole 'Be Gorean or be gone.' thing should be
rephrased... sure, my version's not as catchy, but it carries the message
better..."
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:48:35 CST
nodding as I hear many opinions .. mostly along the same lines
Kyoto 20:48:54 CST
But that's the odd thing with me, Laroona, I started reading the books back in
about... I think 1982... So I already came in as a book thumper of sorts.
laughing.
shiva_lyn_GS_ 20:49:31 CST
it seems that some find that they become disuaded from being part of an online
Gor community just because of a few bad apples...is this the case?
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:49:46 CST
any dissenting opinnions?
topaz{Rast's_girl} 20:49:48 CST
so, what can be done about those who DO know Gor and yet choose to enter GS and
not act Gorean?
Paedur-Slavemaster 20:50:44 CST
I think the whole issue with it all is the fact that Gor is set as a role play
online.
SO it needs to be role played.
So some sayings pop up to express that.
Some see it as a game others as a way of life.
Republican and Democrat.
So two sides and a lot of in between to play in.
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:50:49 CST
looking at topaz,, how would you determine that they DO know of Gor?
shiva_lyn_GS_ 20:51:05 CST
Master Kyoto..this girl has read several of Norman's books...loves them...but at
times found the detail hard to get past..always wanting the antrhopological
aspects..so she could understnad herself and Masters..better...that is why she
is just learning now much about serves..ect..
Harkon 20:51:09 CST
Looking to shiva...
"Honestly? The bad apples outnumber the good these days... the lore of Gor's
been so swept up in the whole 'I wanna play a Kur!', 'I wanna have a baby!'
crap... that most people don't even know what it is now..."
Shadowhawk Outlaw 20:52:08 CST
*nods to Harkon*.. then what???
Kyoto 20:52:33 CST
Sometimes, shiva...
Looking to Deirdre, hoping she does not moind that I share her comment.
Deirdre reminded me of her first visit here, I think she came in as a result of
Lord Bloodbeast...
"Do You remember that first night that I came into GS, Bob? I was trying sooooo
hard to follow protocol....and then JB jumped My butt for referring to Him as
"M'Lord".....and I called Him "rude" and left to go back into the BDSM room
until You called after Me and You made HIm apologize to Me? *laughing
hard.....remembering
topaz{Rast's_girl} 20:52:42 CST
Master Sandman, take for example You
now You know of Gor and what it is to be Gorean
and say You decided to enter and simply ignored all rules and acted as one who
knew nothing but carrying on like it is a theater or restaurant...would that be
acceptable? as we do know You
Shadowhawk Outlaw 20:53:48 CST
*nodding in agreement*.. agree totally Harkon.. many Men just come to fur.. and
some slaves do the same.. no chores.. no tending to a Man in food or drink.. and
just waits til a certain One enters.. as visa versa..
Kyoto 20:55:08 CST
Or those that want to just kill people, future be damned. They insist on being
assassins.
Deirdre 20:55:22 CST
*chuckling and nodding to Kyoto*
I don't mind at all, Captain. I am proud of how I first came into GS....and it
was Lord Bloodbeast that explained it all to Me. I am happy to have been a part
of it as long as I have been. It has enriched Me.....but I also agree with
Harkon. I am very disillusioned at the changes that I have seen since that
unauspicious beginning.
Harkon 20:56:03 CST
Lips purse...
"Hard to say Shadowhawk... you can do as GS is doing and do your best to enforce
no dualling, no 'invisible/visible thoughts'... punish those who don't act in a
Gorean manner... and instruct those who want to... but for the most part online
Gor is a losing battle...
You're getting submissive men playing Masters... 'slaves' crying foul when they
get called on something... 'slaves' being given admin priviledges in rooms
because their owner wants them to be able to ban HNG...
The list goes on... and it gets worse every year as more new potential Goreans
come online and think they're Gorean because they're doing what everyone else is
doing... it perpetuates the decay and things just get worse..."
Sandman,,Builder_ 20:56:15 CST
looking over to topaz,, well said .. as for me I am a pledged patron,, therefore
I have declared myself to be willing to folow the rules... and I would expect
the more experienced Free to counsel me if I get off track .. but those not as
well know as myself ( tho still fairly new) .. do the wear signs saying,, "I
know Gor"
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 20:56:32 CST
ele's Jarl always held very strictly to the ideals of Gor as set forth in the
books. The Inlet of the War Arrow was, as a matter of fact, one of the last
bastions of strong book-related Gor at the site in which we made our home.
Others say that the Free Men were to harsh. ele does not agree. They were
keeping with the Gorean ideals.
Shadowhawk Outlaw 20:57:46 CST
exactly Harkon.. and yet.. when strong Men are a part of.. just cuz Oone frowns
upon them.. the Rrest follow..or worst yet.. all the hypocrits that are put in
leadership position.. so yes.. I agree.. Gor is a losing battle..
Laroona-scribe 20:58:17 CST
the good old princess and prince principles
Kyoto 20:58:34 CST
You said that so very well, Harkon, thank you.
Striking my fist to my shoulder.
Deirdre 20:59:21 CST
So true, Northman.........so VERY true......*nodding....emerald eyes sad*
topaz{Rast's_girl} 20:59:50 CST
nods hearing Mistress Laroona
simple chuckles hearing Master sandman's reply...
topaz said You as an example becasue YOU DO know of GS....she is not referring
to those who do not...smiles
topaz{Rast's_girl} 21:00:46 CST
nods and smiles as she hears Jarl harkon's words!!!!
Sandman,,Builder_ 21:01:11 CST
smiling ,, any more comment on this subject?
elektra_{Harkon}*~ 21:01:12 CST
~*the runt rolls her eyes*~
Oh yes...and then there are the ones who say 'do as I say, not as I do', who
expect everybody else to follow the rules but think that they themselves are
exempt by virtue of having been online on Gor for x-number of years. Just
because they have been online that long doesn't mean that they have the least
concept of true Gorean ideals.
Shadowhawk Outlaw 21:01:59 CST
lol. and the excuses made for them as well ele.. "oh but they have been part of
here for so long""..
amira{GS} 21:02:29 CST
tucks her knees to her chin~
this girl has found for herself ,
~as she had very little knowledge of Gor previously~
that watching those that did
Asking for advice
and actually listening to the suggestions give her have been very useful
Most here are happy to help
Kyoto 21:04:01 CST
And you've excelled as a result, amira.
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 21:05:03 CST
~*nods quietly*~
Aye, Master ShadowHawk..it irked me no end to hear that particular Free tell me,
'I am a paragon of Free Womanhood. My neck has stayed free for so long because I
know my place'. ele was a Free Woman at the time and repled, 'OR maybe the fact
of the matter is that no Free Man cares enough about you to correct your
atrocious behavior and tell you to shut your mouth or does not desire to collar
you.'
amira{GS} 21:05:14 CST
~lowers her eyes~
girl thanks You Master Kyoto
Shadowhawk Outlaw 21:05:30 CST
*adding*.. and Harkon.. coddling those that are Nnew then letting them to the
"Dogs" sort to say does not help either.. either the new Free or slaves..
Harkon 21:05:49 CST
Growling as I lean in closer and trace my fingers along the cold iron at ele's
neck... remembering...
Harkon 21:07:05 CST
Looking to Shadowhawk and nodding...
"I had a dream of a Gorean home in Jag... a place that would stand against the
sea of crap... and for a long time it did... it was a Gorean home... but in the
end it failed... it led in a large way to my disillusionment..."
Shadowhawk Outlaw 21:07:10 CST
*a smle spreads cross Me face.. nodding*.. well said ele.. well said.. Harkon
has done wonders for you girl.. *s*..
*standing.. walking over to Harkon.. holding arm out to shake*.. meeting well
made tnis nite Harkon.. was a privilege to hear Your thoughts ..
Harkon 21:08:23 CST
I stand... hand extending... fist grasping forearm in turn, a squeeze of hand as
eyes meet eyes... a nod...
"Well met and well said... it has been an honour to have met you this night..."
Shadowhawk Outlaw 21:09:31 CST
*taking His arm.. squeezing with shake.. My eyes meeting His*
one day I hopes to elaborate more on said topic.. for now.. I must depart..
winds and honor My Friend..
*turns to rest*.. well wishes to Aall..
*gathers things then turns to head out*
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 21:10:08 CST
~*blushes and says quietly*~
ele's Jarl holds ele to a very high standard...he did when she was his Free
Companion...he does now that ele is his bond maid, Master. He is a very strong
Gorean male.
Kyoto 21:10:15 CST
Nothing is permanent, Harkon. But your home was a good one. I enjoyed my visit
there.
Shadowhawk Outlaw 21:10:53 CST
*stops short of the door.. turning*
then ele.. We share something in common.. *chuckles*.. why I am frowned upon
here.. LOL
*then fades*
Harkon 21:11:24 CST
Nodding in respect to the Shadowhawk as he departs...
"I wish you well... wind and steel..."
Kyoto 21:21:16 CST
Well, looks to me as if the forum is over. Thank you all for coming tonight