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Rollo_the_Ax 19:11:57 CST

Okay then...... WELCOME to this weeks Gorean Shores public forum....

we will use the same rules as always.... everybody may speak their

mind ( as long as it is done in a respectful manner ) everybody is

welcome to speak, and unless somebody is going to C+P everything,

to be the scribe for today/tonight... we should still try to keep

the cross talk and open BS to either none or VERY little... Okay ?????

 

Laroona 19:13:03 CST

I am not scribing

but if any do then please email to gs-scribe@hotmail.com

thanks

 

Rollo_the_Ax 19:13:57 CST

Tal, FW Elektra, and any others that have entered while I was writing

... So ???? Anybody have a topic or subject they wish to open for

discussion ??? questions ??? If so, please PM them to Me and we will

get this show on the road...

 

luscious_{Marie} 19:15:25 CST

luscious could scribe if she is needed....

 

Laroona 19:16:23 CST

just whispered to you luscious, now you have your font sorted LOL

 

Rollo_the_Ax 19:18:06 CST

if you wish to do so, and still be able to take part, luscious, you

may do so.... If luscious is going to scribe, I will ask EVERYBODY to

keep the open cross talk, greetings, and general BS to either NONE or

VERY little... Okay ??????

 

She urts in GS?

Rollo_the_Ax 19:21:00 CST

Okay... we have our first topic..... ** are she urts allowed to RP

their character in the tavern and what sort of icon should they wear? **

 

~segen~ 19:22:49 CST

~tilts her head~ if GS says it tries to work by the books..

 

urts should be allowed in the tavern as they often got bed by

"working" the Tavern owners and such...

 

as for icons my opinion would be a cross between a FW and slave..

.they are free but they are a very low class free with little to

no money and no family that will claim them anymore...

 

Laroona 19:23:17 CST

if a she urt is a down on her luck FW then she would be open for

collaring if entering tavern

 

icons suggestion maybe rags etc.... like really look the part

just my immediate thoughts

 

galah{HoT} 19:23:55 CST

**nods in agreement with segen**

 

~segen~ 19:24:22 CST

i disagree that if they enter the tavern they would be open for

collaring, i do think as technical free women if they were "used"

it would NOT be in public...

 

Deirdre 19:24:38 CST

*nodding in agreement with segen*

 

That is exactly how I have always seen she-urts.....

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:24:45 CST

*thats what I thought so to segen as they only get their scraps

outside the tavern and do things to get the scrapes as well S*

 

galah{HoT} 19:25:11 CST

but she urts learn to be very quick on their feet and quick on

their wit also Mistress Laroona? heheheee

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 19:25:25 CST

Urts are a puzzle to me. They are technically Free yet they exchange

their favors for food, shelter and the like. It's like they are stuck

in an economic twilight zone and I do not know how I should treat them.

 

~segen~ 19:25:48 CST

It is book that they sleep around for food/money...

 

i do not see why it should be different here...

 

  penny{Kyo} 19:26:16 CST

Definitely they should be permitted into the tavern, a she-urt wouldn't

be above such behavior.

 

As for what they should wear, not vveils, but beyond that, I think that

it can be up to the individual.

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:26:33 CST

*but like a bare neck,a she urt would ask for protection while in the

tavern,

but of course still at risk of kolaring ?*

 

~segen~ 19:26:35 CST

definatly agree with that galah...as ANY woman is Free only by the mercy

of Men...no reason why urtsw (low class free) should think they don't need

their wits to save themselves from collars...

 

Laroona 19:27:14 CST

hmmm bit of a dilemma then

if FW are not permitted in the tavern then how does a she-urt aka a FW able

to?

 

~segen~ 19:28:01 CST

Master Forest, i disagree an urt would not go in the "front door" of a

Tavern as that WOULD be seeking a collar, she'd sneak in the back to trade favors

for food/money..

 

they are Free i'm not sure why they would need to seek protection...unless

their behavior becomes slave like (as in fucking in public etc) their neck

should be okay...

 

Orion 19:28:08 CST

-enters and takes a seat to listen-

 

~segen~ 19:28:24 CST

Mistress Laroona...it's how they ate...in Port Kar..

 

Laroona 19:28:37 CST

galah she would need to be very quick witted and fleet of foot LOL

 

Deirdre 19:28:52 CST

*looking at Laroona*

 

Because a she-urt isn't a FW......really.......she is a......well.........

hooker basically.......doing what she has to for survival........she is

above slave.....but not up to being a complete FW.....

 

~segen~ 19:29:19 CST

as a High Born FW (or one that is clamied by a Man or family) the only

reason say Mistress Deirdre would seek a tavern would be to BE collared. a

different circumstance...

 

Laroona 19:29:33 CST

so should they enter or wait for scraps to be tossed out?

I am having difficulty differentiating here

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:29:47 CST

*true segen but also in the books, sometimes they rounded them up and

kolared them, S*

 

~segen~ 19:30:11 CST

Mistress Deirdre well said, i concur...

 

Deirdre 19:30:14 CST

*nodding to segen*

 

That is exactly right.....as I see it also.....

 

Orion 19:31:03 CST

THANK you DEI!! I have had that same conversation with another FW..

AN urt is NOT a FW cause a FW would not sink to the level a urt has to.

She would find a man to be a FC with to take care of her before she would

let herself fall that low and risk a kolar.

 

~segen~ 19:31:09 CST

Master Forest that is true but only to "clean" port kar..as GS is only one

tavern i would guess the ruling of the council of allowing or disallowing

them should be enough *soft grin*

 

Deirdre 19:32:06 CST

*nodding to Orion*

 

I think that was pretty clear from Norman's books.....at least....that is

what

I have always felt.....

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:32:35 CST

*I think that a she urt should be allowed in the tavern but also should have

the risk of being kolared as if not she could run around rampant LOL*

 

~segen~ 19:32:57 CST

Master Orion, i disagree on the basis that a urt IS a Free Woman but has no

 

dowery to bargin with (and MANY alliances on Gor were by FC)...what would a

urt have to offer a man to entice Him to FC her? she has nothing to give...

 

but she IS free..and IS above a slave (in my lil book of segen)

 

~segen~ 19:33:29 CST

Master Forest if You don't make a definitive ruling no urts will enter the

tavern.

It would be illogical (no offence)...

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 19:33:40 CST

I agree...which is why I never know how to treat an urt. It is difficult.

Technically they are free, but in reality, they are not on the same socio

economic level as most Free Women.

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:34:10 CST

*a she urt is a FW,but with no family and no money so it would be hard to

find a FC to take her in LOL*

 

Orion 19:34:33 CST

she is free, segen ONLY because someone has taken steel from her neck. Not

MANY FW were freed after they had steel slapped on their necks. Those that were,

you get urts.

 

Rollo_the_Ax 19:34:55 CST

Okay...in MY opinion.... their icon would be less coverings than a proper

FW, but not naked like a full slave.... as for the other parts ??? they would

Use the back door, they would NOT be used sexually in the open tavern the same

Way a kajira would be, I would question the action of one of them having a

"" Protector "" formally, but depending on the individual girl, I COULD see

one having a * special friend * that could be called on to keep HNGs and collar

happy newbies away ....

 

~segen~ 19:35:04 CST

Master Forest ~tears welling in her eyes~ We just agreed on something!!! Oh

Odin, who would have thought!!!

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:35:25 CST

*oh we will make a definitive ruling segen,we just wish first to hear what

everyone has to say about it S*

 

~segen~ 19:35:37 CST

Master Orion...TRUE...but the steel being removed and papers being given

makes her a FW...cut and dry..she is..

 

Deirdre 19:35:52 CST

Elektra.....I have always treated them with kindness....and mostly the same

way I treat a slave.......I guess........

 

~segen~ 19:36:07 CST

Master Rollo, segen fully agrees ~nodding~

 

Jake_Musician 19:36:09 CST

listens...makes sense to have a friend to keep predators away

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 19:36:59 CST

~*nods*~

 

So have I, Dei. Yet, I don't feel right commanding an urt to do anything

either. Maybe it's just me.

 

Deirdre 19:37:19 CST

*confused*

 

paris{Rm} 19:37:36 CST

Listens quietly...thinking of a certain she urt

 

Deirdre 19:38:10 CST

*nodding to Ele*

 

I don't often ask to be served anyway......so....yes....I understand what

You mean.

 

Rollo_the_Ax 19:38:24 CST

To try and not be too tackless, Deirdre... technically, a she urt still IS a  FW.. just one way down on her luck.... * a hooker * ??? not really, but more like  a * lady that has always relied on the kindness of strangers ...* ...  LOL...LOL... until she gets collared......

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:38:32 CST

*not really Orion,she could have ben a FW all along,just had a run of bad

luck so to speak and ended up in the gutters S*

 

Laroona 19:38:35 CST

a slave released most often has papers of mannurism (sp) so would be a FW

technically not a she-urt

 

~segen~ 19:38:54 CST

Mistress Elektra, (personally) i don't see how You could command an urt a

She is a FW...but that's me...

 

Deirdre 19:39:13 CST

I consider ariel a dear friend.....and a completely wonderful person. she is

the only she-urt I know.....actually.......and she sets a high mark in My

opinion.

 

~segen~ 19:39:55 CST

Mistress Laroona, exactly..but most families will NOT claim a woman who was

once a slave...she no longer "existed" and would not take them back/support

them... so they became urts.. urts ARE Free Woman..

 

Jake_Musician 19:39:58 CST

would be nice if she bathed and wiped her nose..chuckles

 

paris{Rm} 19:40:41 CST

Agrees with Mistress Deirdre

 

That was who paris was thinking of Mistress...ariel is great.

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:40:44 CST

*ariel hasn't been a she urt for the past 2 years S*

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:41:21 CST

*well we could always throw them into the canal for a bath Jake LOL*

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 19:41:42 CST

~*nods*~

 

Yes, segen. That is why I get confused. Hehehe...she is Free, yet she serves

people in various um...capacities so is it ok for me to ask her to get me a

drink or food? Ai ya...

 

Laroona 19:41:42 CST

which comes back to my point

a FW entering the tavern is open for collaring

except under certain circumstances

just my opinion and thoughts on the current rules *S*

 

Jake_Musician 19:41:59 CST

Nods to the Captain..We could do that indeed

 

Mystique 19:42:03 CST

Question,,

 

So, I have no Man, nor family, does this make me an urt?

 

Rollo_the_Ax 19:42:11 CST

IF a she urt was asked to serve, she would do so for some form of * payoff *

... a scrape of food, a drink, etc.,... unlike a slave who HAS TO serve or

die... a she urt would not be expected to serve as well or as gracefully as

a TRAINED slave either.... IMO

 

Deirdre 19:42:18 CST

Captain Rollo.......I understand the difference, Sir......I was.......just

making a comparison......to......sort of clarify the role of a she-urt. I

wasn't condemning anyone......or holding Myself above anyone.

 

galah{HoT} 19:42:18 CST

but Mistress Laroona, if a slave was just freed, and was always a slave,

how would she possibly survive in the FW world? she would have nuthing,

no home, no clothes, nothing

 

~segen~ 19:42:28 CST

Master Forest, but ariel's an urt again now (as well as her once chain,

dri and jessi) and none of them wish to be force collared... they are all

"free"

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:42:41 CST

*thats why she would need a friend or protector while in the tavern

scranging for food*

 

Laroona 19:43:39 CST

Looks at galah and smiles

I would think it is up to each individual circumstance

some are given money some are not etc...

 

Mystique 19:43:52 CST

Just trying to catch up and understand what's being said,

 

~segen~ 19:44:10 CST

Mistress Mystique..depends..where did you get your money? if you HAVE some,

then no..if you have none and have to live of the "kidness of strangers" to

eat...then yes

 

Rollo_the_Ax 19:44:27 CST

How about equating she urts to our RT * homeless street people * ??? they

have NOT given up any of their legal rights... but their economic conditions

force them to do whatever they must to * get by * ..... ??????

 

~segen~ 19:44:45 CST

~nodding in agreement with Master Rollo~

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:45:04 CST

*yes she is again segen but before she wasn't S*

 

Mystique 19:45:30 CST

~nods~ ok thank You Rollo

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 19:45:38 CST

She could work, segen. FW are not above working for a living. When Harkon

released me, I had nothing so I started doing that which I knew...I trapped

and hunted. I sold the furs and hides and jerked the meat, which I sold too.

Some men who had known me before I was a bond maid gave me gifts of money

For which they asked nothing in return, so I could get back on my feet. It

worked out. I still work.

 

Jake_Musician 19:46:13 CST

Rollo..was how I treated the she urts...as a rt homeless person..up to Me to

offer help or not...

 

~segen~ 19:46:13 CST

Master Forset...mmmm yeah..when she was owned she was a slave... *giggling,

thinking that one was sorta cut and dry*

 

~segen~ 19:47:20 CST

Mistress Elektra...(and You know i love you) You were a Panther...how many

"city girls" do you think would be able to go out and do what you did to

make money?

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:48:32 CST

*I don't think the city FW could trap an urt let along animals in the forest

LOL*

 

Rollo_the_Ax 19:48:40 CST

LOL.. Deirdre, I did not mean to imply that you were doing so.... I am simply trying to point out that JUST because a woman wants to play the part of a Goreanshe urt, that she can or should.... it takes GREAT skill to play the part properly and WELL...

 

Jake_Musician 19:48:55 CST

knows Elektra to be an outstanding cook as well!

 

 

~segen~ 19:50:59 CST

i do have a question though Master Rollo, about urts...

 

do they petition the counsil to be "free" with urt status?

 

i am a bareneked slave...yes something that didn't exist on gor but here it

is what it is. i am not an urt and don't feel i have the right to that stuts.

However i also don't want anyone that's freed thinking "yippie i have a way into the

Tavern protected"..in essence i don't want it abused and lost for all...

 

Deirdre 19:52:06 CST

Good question, segen.....*nodding to her....and then turning to Rollo*

 

I have wondered that Myself, Captain.......

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 19:52:07 CST

segen, most FW were schooled in the tasks of keeping a home, sewing,

cooking, etc.

Couldn't an urt be a cook, seamstress, etc? Surely there would be work for

one suchas she if she were clever. I am reasonably sure I could get a job as a cook

or baker, if for nothing else than shelter.

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:53:22 CST

*true Elektra,but maybe they don't wish to work LOL*

 

~segen~ 19:53:29 CST

Mistress Elektra...most urts are freed slaves...they know one thing REALLY

Well works to get food and money (and if they are still alive, they should be

damn good AT it *soft grin*)...this however is my opinion...fact is they DID exist in

the books...

 

Rollo_the_Ax 19:54:21 CST

she urts being in the tavern ??? why not ??? regular FW can enter...if they

are NOT afraid of being collared.. LOL.. she urts are just the same... but

they don't usually have * protectors * that are around... the ONLY

difference ( in MY opinion...) is that the she urt is a much smaller

target... she KNOWS she is NOT as big a * prize * or trophy as a fancy

shmancy FREE woman.... LOL...

 

Rollo_the_Ax 19:57:26 CST

The one flaw in your logic or explaination, Elektra is that you forget how

caste bound the Gorean system is... EVERY job.. baker, leather worker, hell,

even canal urt cather, had a CASTE and NON members were shunned or at least

not allowed to work in the area....

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 19:58:38 CST

~*blushes 10 shades of red*~

 

Yes, Emerald Forest and segen, that is true. Ai ya...I guess I am naive in

some ways. Eeek!

 

~segen~ 19:59:13 CST

Master Rollo an EXCLLENT point (that i had forgotten *nodding*)

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 19:59:30 CST

~*nods, crimson still staining dusky cheeks*~

 

Yes, Rollo...I forgot about caste.

 

~segen~ 20:00:58 CST

~nudges the Ex Panther~ me too..

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:02:59 CST

I mean to inject a bit of RT logic or whatever into the debate here.... how

many times has anybody here ran out and offered WORK to a street kid or

person ??? he shun them, and look the other way.... maybe toss the more

enterprising one a few cents when they clean your windows at the stop

lights...RIGHT ??? what sort of work could they REALLY do ??? NOTHING on a

regular bases...

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 20:03:18 CST

~*smiles sheepishly at segen*~

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:03:34 CST

*so we are in agreement that a she urt is allowed in the tavern with the

recommendations that Rollo stated before,but does she need a protector and

can she be kolared if not protected?*

 

~segen~ 20:04:11 CST

~nodding as she hears Master Forest~

 

Jake_Musician 20:04:42 CST

offered five dollars to one holding a sign.."need money for beer" felt that

was most honest anyhow..the sign that is

 

~segen~ 20:05:00 CST

i vote..yes on team urt ~nodding~

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:06:00 CST

*a she urt needs to petition the council to become a FW first though if not

already one S*

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:06:31 CST

we, instead of he shun them.... I didn't proof read well enough... and YES,

I am as guilty as anybody else... they fall thru the cracks and unless they

get RIGHT in our faces, we don't want to know ANYTHING about them.... she

urts are just the Gorean version....agreed ????

 

~segen~ 20:06:51 CST

~Hearing Master Forest~

 

i also agree with that concept..(as i as a freed slave don't wish it abused

either, but that's just me0

 

Jake_Musician 20:07:27 CST

agrees..having been awaken from a slumber

 

Deirdre 20:07:45 CST

I would be in agreement to that....*nodding*

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:14:50 CST

EF... as a she urt, she really could NOT have a formal * protector * like a

full FW.... but in MY opinion, she just MIGHT have a * friendly * Master

that would take it personal if anybody screwed with her tooo much ... much

the same as eight Xern or Myself with ariel... neither of us ever wanted to

collar the girl, but as long as SHE played the part correctly, either one of

us would have kicked ass and taken names if ANYBODY had abused her...

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:16:19 CST

*sounds fine to Me then Rollo as there are always someone that wants to

kolar a freeneck LOL*

 

~segen~ 20:16:23 CST

~smiling as she hears of chain's protection~

 

Jake_Musician 20:17:05 CST

could she enter the Tavern and ask a member to "protect

" her for as long as He remained in Tavern to visit?

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:17:14 CST

OH SHIT !!! I need to slow down.... " much the same as eight Xern or Myself

with ariel" ??? EITHER Xern or Myself...

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:17:59 CST

*well we would be in trouble with 8 Xerns LOL*

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:18:21 CST

*as long as she trusted Him,then I suppose she could Jake S*

 

Laroona 20:18:44 CST

*chuckles*

one Xern scare the begeebers out of all

 

Jake_Musician 20:19:21 CST

nods was My thoughts Emerald...thank you for clarifying

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:20:02 CST

*a she urt would be like a bare neck slave as she wouldn't have a permanent

protector,just one while she was in there S*

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:21:02 CST

Okay... how about this as an example ??? if a she urt came into the tavern,

and was at the table of ANY ma.... would it not be at HIS discresion or will

just what hs ecould are could NOT do ??? right ....?? so if he wanted to do

so, he would * protect * her from some other guy... and it could be on a

case by case, or time by time basis.... agreed ?????

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:21:46 CST

*agreed by Me Rollo S*

 

~segen~ 20:22:50 CST

Master Rollo as long as that didn't include force collaring her...as long as

she plays the urt role as she should...i don't think she should be able to

be force collared (or i know for one chain would never enter. she will NOT

risk her neck)..

 

Khaled 20:22:51 CST

~nods~ in agreement with Rollo

 

Jake_Musician 20:22:59 CST

agreed with the concept placed forward

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:24:37 CST

*I would say segen that she would be at risk like any other FW or slave

otherwise she could push the limit*

 

~segen~ 20:25:15 CST

Master Forest, yes, if she pushes the limit i agree..if she is courting a

collar so be it...but if she is urt, through and through..then no force

collaring..aye?

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:26:06 CST

*I agree segen S*

 

~segen~ 20:27:02 CST

~doing a lil happy dance as she and Master Forest agree twice in the same

damn day! who would have thunk~

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:29:53 CST

sorry folks.. it seems that I am having an EXTRA dyslectic day today.... For

now, it is agreed that she urts are allowed in GS... the Council will work

out detailed rules or limits some time soon... okay ??? I do not know right

off just how many she urts there are what want to come into GS at this

time.... but I will say for the record that until I revoke the offer that

ANYBODY that abuses or harms the she urt ariel WILL answer to ME,

personally... NOT as a Council member, but as simply Rollo the Ax...

 

~segen~ 20:31:17 CST

~nodding as she Hears Master Rollo~

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:31:58 CST

segen... she urts still have the leave button....LOL...LOL... I REALLY can't

see how one could possibly be forced into a collar before she could hit that

one lil old button...... LOL..

 

~segen~ 20:33:15 CST

Master Rollo...(and i think You know this as most know how much ariel means

to me). i just want to make sure chain (and others like her) don't have to

be fearful everytime they step in. if they are honest to the role i want to

make sure they are okay. but yes i DO see what You mean ~soft smile~

 

Laroona 20:33:42 CST

would this affect more than just one person?

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:34:23 CST

*anybody that wishes to play the she urt Laroona S*

 

Laroona 20:34:56 CST

nodding

thank you Captain

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:37:05 CST

segen... there will always be FEAR... it is simply the level or degree that

is in question.... a little fear or such is a GOOD thing.. it keeps the mind

clear and the wits sharp... too much fear can cripple anybody... so each

person must balance their own level or degree that THEY are willing to

accept...

 

~segen~ 20:39:03 CST

Master Rollo...(just for example)...if i was to be allowed to be an urt and

entered the tavern...do You not think without a monicur of protection i

would enter the Tavern and risk my throat? Hell too many would be happy to

collar me if for no other reason then to have the privlidge of slitting my

throat! i'm all for walking on the edge as long as it's not a trap...

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:39:56 CST

Okay folks.. we have well and truly covered the she urt issue, so lets get to

the other topic that we have...

 

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:40:21 CST

*it just means segen that you would not enter the tavern unless you know

someone there would protect you*

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:40:35 CST

*it is just like a bare neck slave S*

 

~segen~ 20:40:59 CST

~chuckling~ and hope that Master didn't want me as a head orniment *L*

 

Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:41:05 CST

If any woman who is not collared enters the tavern, slave, free or urt, she

is at risk of a collar, that is how the rules are.

 

Now, just to amend this, I agree with Rollo about ariel, if anyone abuses or

hurts her, they will also answer to me.

 

caitlin_{Xg-L} 20:42:06 CST

if a she-urt doesnt enter the tavern unless she knows she it proteceted

would that not be the same for a FW ..enter if She has a protector

 

Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:42:14 CST

No one needs to collar you to slit your throat, segen. It would be a waste

of a collar.

 

~segen~ 20:43:09 CST

well thank You for Your opinion...

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:44:16 CST

segen, I would not see that really happening...BUT I will put forth the

issue when the Council makes any rules... perhaps a rule that says * NO

collaring she urts just to KILL them... or maybe even a rule that says that

ANY she urt collared while IN GS must NOT be killed without Council

permission ???? We can see about what needs done ...okay ???

 

~segen~ 20:44:55 CST

aye Master Rollo, thank You for Your thoughtfullness ~smiling~

 

FW behaviour

Rollo_the_Ax 20:46:11 CST

**. We all know that women are subject to the will of men on Gor, however,

FW are given much latitude in the way they behave publicly. I have seen FW

mouth off or behave like sluts at various times. When is enough enough or

the FW step too far over the line of FW behavior? So what is it? Why can

some get away with such behavior on a regular basis and others not? I don't

get it. **

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:46:49 CST

BTW, that is the new topic... why some FW get away with more than others ???

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:47:34 CST

*I think it all depends on who they are mouthing off to and what sort of

mood that person is in at the time S*

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:49:22 CST

On this issue, I can only say that FW are like any other people.... some do

less or more than others... some know when enough is enough, and others seem

to have this desire to ALWAYS push the envelope EVERY time....

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 20:50:20 CST

~*listens quietly*~

 

Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:51:12 CST

Well, sometimes a free woman does push it too far, and then they pay the

consequences of their actions.

 

Smiling as I pull the kneeling penny close to my side, snuggling the slave

I'd recently recollared.

 

Jake_Musician 20:51:12 CST

or how big the sword of the Man protecting them..whether here or not?

 

Orion 20:51:39 CST

This is true Rollo, but what happens when they push it TOO far.. And they

feel they can do whatever they want cause they have "Protection"?

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:52:38 CST

*thats when You need to call the attention to the protector and see what He

does about it and then take it from there Orion S*

 

penny{Kyo} 20:52:45 CST

*dropping my head a bit*

 

I don't really think that my behavior was so horrible, but what matters is

that it was unacceptable to the one who counts, and so here I sit in a

collar.

 

Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:53:27 CST

If anyone has a problem with a protected free woman, they can approach the

protector and challenge them for her neck if they feel strong enough about

it.

 

That is why they have real protectors and not "made-up" guards.

 

synnove{Mordecai} 20:54:14 CST

*~chuckles softly hearing Captain Kyoto and winks teasingly at penny as i

adjust Mordecai's kolar, still trying to get accustomed to it~*

 

Laroona 20:54:42 CST

and those who are not protected?

 

Jake_Musician 20:54:54 CST

listens and nods...

 

Mystique 20:55:13 CST

~nods at Laroona~ was thinking the same thing

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:56:21 CST

*those that are not protected have always got the Captains to turn to,but of

course the Captains can still kolar the FW if it is needed LOL*

 

Jake_Musician 20:56:46 CST

those unprotected..dare not mouth off to the wrong Man?

 

Laroona 20:56:51 CST

or are they (those who are pledged) under the blanket protection of Council?

 

Rollo_the_Ax 20:56:56 CST

I can answer this in a way that perhaps will seem funny or odd.. but in many

cases, * some * FW get away with stuff simply because she is not seen as

worth the effort to collar.. or that if such was done to her, she would

never make a worth while slave.... we tend to ignore those things that we

have no interest in....

 

  penny{Kyo} 20:57:00 CST

I would think that an unprotected FW would be at the mercy of the person to

whom she showed disrespect.

 

Laroona 20:57:22 CST

(((oops crossed posts with EF ))

 

Laroona 20:58:02 CST

maybe a punishment collar could be fitting for a couple of hands LOL

 

Mystique 20:58:25 CST

~shivers a bit~ Thank You Captain.

 

Tho I don't think I have ever behaved un appropriate for a FW, and don't

plan on doing so... lol

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:58:32 CST

*I think once a kolar was put on a FW it would stay LOL*

 

Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:59:09 CST

I don't think so, Laroona, then what's the point of seeking out a protector

at all?

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:59:10 CST

*as long as You stay like that Mystique You should be safe S*

 

synnove{Mordecai} 20:59:11 CST

~*slips out quietly*~

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 21:00:08 CST

The books say that a FW may behave as badly as she wishes and few will

gainsay her. What is too far? I have witnessed FW who described their

"breasts as large as melons" with avis to match...I have seen FW scold FW

for something and be totally disrespectful, yet nothing was done to them. I

do not think that I could get away with it. I think I would be held

accountable.

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 21:01:06 CST

OOps...should have said FW disrespecting FM. Sorry

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 21:01:39 CST

*that would all depend on the FM Elektra as each Male has His cut of point

for a FW S*

 

orli_{GS}~t 21:03:09 CST

if orli may add something here

 

we are all adults...not always acting like adults...but none the less we

are......

 

but if a simple slave can offer some advice....be accountable for your

actions....each and every one of us

 

mean what you say....and say what you mean

and honestly......

if you can't say anything nice....don't say anything at all

 

Jake_Musician 21:03:51 CST

ah the golden rule

 

Laroona 21:03:52 CST

I think most FW know the line they tread

or depending on the mood or whatg was said

it is my understanding all force collarings etc are ruled on by Coucnil if

the FW objects..... *S*

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 21:04:07 CST

~*nods*~

 

Good advice, orli.

 

orli_{GS}~t 21:04:47 CST

*smiles up at Master Jake~

we learn it from kindergarten and perhaps sooner

simple...honest....to the point

 

what more do we need?

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 21:04:55 CST

*all force kolarings and killings are ruled by the council S*

 

paris{Rm} 21:05:45 CST

Smiling to my heartsis

 

Very good advice orli

 

penny{Kyo} 21:05:46 CST

I know that in my case, I certainly didn't cross any sexual lines, and can't

imagine myself being able to perform in that sort of capacity now as a

collared slave... I'm too old, I have no interest, I have too much going on

in my r/t life to be able to do that sort of thing online.

 

As for being mouthy, my issue was being nasty to a slave, which is very

typical FW behavior. And honestly, collaring me has done nothing to curb my

behavior with that particular slave. *sighs*

 

So anyway, life goes on.

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 21:06:27 CST

I am only visiting GS, Laroona. I was curious. I have always been held

accountable for my words and actions but I know others are not and just

wondered why some get away with it and others don't. Rollo and Emerald

Forest have good points. Some FW, I suppose, are not worth the effort and it

depends on the man in question.

 

Khaled 21:06:47 CST

What is disrespectful to one person another would just laugh at

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 21:08:11 CST

~*Blushes deeply*~

 

penny, Harkon force collared me because I was nasty to a slave too...it was

a punishment as I was a FW at the time. I understand how you feel. I truly

do. I guess it just depends on the man.

 

Rollo_the_Ax 21:08:27 CST

Perhaps another way to TRY and halt such behavior would be to OPENLY call

such FW out on their misconduct... it is again, very human in nature to keep

doing ANY action, be it right OR wrong, if you do NOT get called to task for

it.... is a FW goes too far, SAY SO... right then, right there... if they

keep doing it, then file a formal complaint.... provide proof, and get her

punished....

 

 Jake_Musician 21:08:52 CST

Some Men might simply see the mouthy woman as a challenge to break her of

the habit..others not worth the trouble..each to their own likes..dislikes

 

penny{Kyo} 21:09:18 CST

*smiling gratefully to Elektra*

 

It happens, and I should have known better. I *did* know better, and did it

anyway.

 

paris{Rm} 21:09:46 CST

Beams Him a smile as He re enters

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 21:10:28 CST

I just lost my temper, penny...I am not normally nasty towards slaves but

this one just pushed me too far. I paid the price for losing my temper.

 

Ramses 21:10:33 CST

reading back quickly

then nodding to Jake in agreement

 

  penny{Kyo} 21:13:11 CST

*nodding my head in understanding*

 

I can relate, and will also be paying the price.

 

EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 21:14:11 CST

*thats the difference with each Master,as one might not punish a FW because

of speaking to a slave wrong,but then another would S*

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 21:15:11 CST

~*Sends you a warm and understanding smile*~

 

Yes...it sucks, but perhaps you will regain your freedom again. Harkon freed

me when I once again behaved as I normally do, with grace and dignity.

 

~*the words spoken softly and gently*~

 

 

penny{Kyo} 21:16:21 CST

*shaking my head*

 

That's a nice dream, but I don't see it happening. Me being free was a shaky

prospect anyway, but we'll see.

 

Rollo_the_Ax 21:16:37 CST

Folks... please feel free to stay and keep talking, but I have to be

going... I have several RT issues to deal with... no time, even less energy,

and NO patience to do them with.... LOL... Be well, all.... see you again

next week.... same time, same place.....

 

orli_{GS}~t 21:16:47 CST

*wonders if forum is over orrrrr...slightly confused....so Many have

left....and...~

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 21:16:55 CST

Emerald Forest, in my case, it was not only that I spoke harshly, extremely

harshly to the slave, but I destroyed property that was not mine to destroy.

Harkon was well within his rights to punish me. I was companioned to him at

the time. I deserved it. I admit it. I accepted the punishment and tried my

best to make amends.

 

Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 21:17:13 CST

Be well, brother.

 

orli_{GS}~t 21:17:25 CST

orli wishes You well Master Rollo

and thank You for leading Forum

 

caitlin_{Xg-L} 21:17:26 CST

Please be well Master Rollo ~ss~

 

Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 21:17:43 CST

I wish you all well, I have an errand to run.

 

~segen~ 21:17:49 CST

Thank You Master Rollo ~spoken softly~

 

paris{Rm} 21:18:14 CST

paris wishes well Master Rollo....thank You for an excellent forum.

 

Elektra_Free_Woman 21:18:21 CST

Winds and safe journeys, Rollo. Thank you for allowing me to attend

tonight's forum.

 ~*smiles to you as you leave*~

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