Rollo_the_Ax 19:11:57 CST
Okay then...... WELCOME to this weeks Gorean Shores public forum....
we will use the same rules as always.... everybody may speak their
mind ( as long as it is done in a respectful manner ) everybody is
welcome to speak, and unless somebody is going to C+P everything,
to be the scribe for today/tonight... we should still try to keep
the cross talk and open BS to either none or VERY little... Okay ?????
Laroona 19:13:03 CST
I am not scribing
but if any do then please email to gs-scribe@hotmail.com
thanks
Rollo_the_Ax 19:13:57 CST
Tal, FW Elektra, and any others that have entered while I was writing
... So ???? Anybody have a topic or subject they wish to open for
discussion ??? questions ??? If so, please PM them to Me and we will
get this show on the road...
luscious_{Marie} 19:15:25 CST
luscious could scribe if she is needed....
Laroona 19:16:23 CST
just whispered to you luscious, now you have your font sorted LOL
Rollo_the_Ax 19:18:06 CST
if you wish to do so, and still be able to take part, luscious, you
may do so.... If luscious is going to scribe, I will ask EVERYBODY to
keep the open cross talk, greetings, and general BS to either NONE or
VERY little... Okay ??????
She urts in GS?
Rollo_the_Ax 19:21:00 CST
Okay... we have our first topic..... ** are she urts allowed to RP
their character in the tavern and what sort of icon should they wear? **
~segen~ 19:22:49 CST
~tilts her head~ if GS says it tries to work by the books..
urts should be allowed in the tavern as they often got bed by
"working" the Tavern owners and such...
as for icons my opinion would be a cross between a FW and slave..
.they are free but they are a very low class free with little to
no money and no family that will claim them anymore...
Laroona 19:23:17 CST
if a she urt is a down on her luck FW then she would be open for
collaring if entering tavern
icons suggestion maybe rags etc.... like really look the part
just my immediate thoughts
galah{HoT} 19:23:55 CST
**nods in agreement with segen**
~segen~ 19:24:22 CST
i disagree that if they enter the tavern they would be open for
collaring, i do think as technical free women if they were "used"
it would NOT be in public...
Deirdre 19:24:38 CST
*nodding in agreement with segen*
That is exactly how I have always seen she-urts.....
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:24:45 CST
*thats what I thought so to segen as they only get their scraps
outside the tavern and do things to get the scrapes as well S*
galah{HoT} 19:25:11 CST
but she urts learn to be very quick on their feet and quick on
their wit also Mistress Laroona? heheheee
Elektra_Free_Woman 19:25:25 CST
Urts are a puzzle to me. They are technically Free yet they exchange
their favors for food, shelter and the like. It's like they are stuck
in an economic twilight zone and I do not know how I should treat them.
~segen~ 19:25:48 CST
It is book that they sleep around for food/money...
i do not see why it should be different here...
penny{Kyo} 19:26:16 CST
Definitely they should be permitted into the tavern, a she-urt wouldn't
be above such behavior.
As for what they should wear, not vveils, but beyond that, I think that
it can be up to the individual.
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:26:33 CST
*but like a bare neck,a she urt would ask for protection while in the
tavern,
but of course still at risk of kolaring ?*
~segen~ 19:26:35 CST
definatly agree with that galah...as ANY woman is Free only by the mercy
of Men...no reason why urtsw (low class free) should think they don't need
their wits to save themselves from collars...
Laroona 19:27:14 CST
hmmm bit of a dilemma then
if FW are not permitted in the tavern then how does a she-urt aka a FW able
to?
~segen~ 19:28:01 CST
Master Forest, i disagree an urt would not go in the "front door" of a
Tavern as that WOULD be seeking a collar, she'd sneak in the back to trade favors
for food/money..
they are Free i'm not sure why they would need to seek protection...unless
their behavior becomes slave like (as in fucking in public etc) their neck
should be okay...
Orion 19:28:08 CST
-enters and takes a seat to listen-
~segen~ 19:28:24 CST
Mistress Laroona...it's how they ate...in Port Kar..
Laroona 19:28:37 CST
galah she would need to be very quick witted and fleet of foot LOL
Deirdre 19:28:52 CST
*looking at Laroona*
Because a she-urt isn't a FW......really.......she is a......well.........
hooker basically.......doing what she has to for survival........she is
above slave.....but not up to being a complete FW.....
~segen~ 19:29:19 CST
as a High Born FW (or one that is clamied by a Man or family) the only
reason say Mistress Deirdre would seek a tavern would be to BE collared. a
different circumstance...
Laroona 19:29:33 CST
so should they enter or wait for scraps to be tossed out?
I am having difficulty differentiating here
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:29:47 CST
*true segen but also in the books, sometimes they rounded them up and
kolared them, S*
~segen~ 19:30:11 CST
Mistress Deirdre well said, i concur...
Deirdre 19:30:14 CST
*nodding to segen*
That is exactly right.....as I see it also.....
Orion 19:31:03 CST
THANK you DEI!! I have had that same conversation with another FW..
AN urt is NOT a FW cause a FW would not sink to the level a urt has to.
She would find a man to be a FC with to take care of her before she would
let herself fall that low and risk a kolar.
~segen~ 19:31:09 CST
Master Forest that is true but only to "clean" port kar..as GS is only one
tavern i would guess the ruling of the council of allowing or disallowing
them should be enough *soft grin*
Deirdre 19:32:06 CST
*nodding to Orion*
I think that was pretty clear from Norman's books.....at least....that is
what
I have always felt.....
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:32:35 CST
*I think that a she urt should be allowed in the tavern but also should have
the risk of being kolared as if not she could run around rampant LOL*
~segen~ 19:32:57 CST
Master Orion, i disagree on the basis that a urt IS a Free Woman but has no
dowery to bargin with (and MANY alliances on Gor were by FC)...what would a
urt have to offer a man to entice Him to FC her? she has nothing to give...
but she IS free..and IS above a slave (in my lil book of segen)
~segen~ 19:33:29 CST
Master Forest if You don't make a definitive ruling no urts will enter the
tavern.
It would be illogical (no offence)...
Elektra_Free_Woman 19:33:40 CST
I agree...which is why I never know how to treat an urt. It is difficult.
Technically they are free, but in reality, they are not on the same socio
economic level as most Free Women.
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:34:10 CST
*a she urt is a FW,but with no family and no money so it would be hard to
find a FC to take her in LOL*
Orion 19:34:33 CST
she is free, segen ONLY because someone has taken steel from her neck. Not
MANY FW were freed after they had steel slapped on their necks. Those that were,
you get urts.
Rollo_the_Ax 19:34:55 CST
Okay...in MY opinion.... their icon would be less coverings than a proper
FW, but not naked like a full slave.... as for the other parts ??? they would
Use the back door, they would NOT be used sexually in the open tavern the same
Way a kajira would be, I would question the action of one of them having a
"" Protector "" formally, but depending on the individual girl, I COULD see
one having a * special friend * that could be called on to keep HNGs and collar
happy newbies away ....
~segen~ 19:35:04 CST
Master Forest ~tears welling in her eyes~ We just agreed on something!!! Oh
Odin, who would have thought!!!
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:35:25 CST
*oh we will make a definitive ruling segen,we just wish first to hear what
everyone has to say about it S*
~segen~ 19:35:37 CST
Master Orion...TRUE...but the steel being removed and papers being given
makes her a FW...cut and dry..she is..
Deirdre 19:35:52 CST
Elektra.....I have always treated them with kindness....and mostly the same
way I treat a slave.......I guess........
~segen~ 19:36:07 CST
Master Rollo, segen fully agrees ~nodding~
Jake_Musician 19:36:09 CST
listens...makes sense to have a friend to keep predators away
Elektra_Free_Woman 19:36:59 CST
~*nods*~
So have I, Dei. Yet, I don't feel right commanding an urt to do anything
either. Maybe it's just me.
Deirdre 19:37:19 CST
*confused*
paris{Rm} 19:37:36 CST
Listens quietly...thinking of a certain she urt
Deirdre 19:38:10 CST
*nodding to Ele*
I don't often ask to be served anyway......so....yes....I understand what
You mean.
Rollo_the_Ax 19:38:24 CST
To try and not be too tackless, Deirdre... technically, a she urt still IS a FW.. just one way down on her luck.... * a hooker * ??? not really, but more like a * lady that has always relied on the kindness of strangers ...* ... LOL...LOL... until she gets collared......
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:38:32 CST
*not really Orion,she could have ben a FW all along,just had a run of bad
luck so to speak and ended up in the gutters S*
Laroona 19:38:35 CST
a slave released most often has papers of mannurism (sp) so would be a FW
technically not a she-urt
~segen~ 19:38:54 CST
Mistress Elektra, (personally) i don't see how You could command an urt a
She is a FW...but that's me...
Deirdre 19:39:13 CST
I consider ariel a dear friend.....and a completely wonderful person. she is
the only she-urt I know.....actually.......and she sets a high mark in My
opinion.
~segen~ 19:39:55 CST
Mistress Laroona, exactly..but most families will NOT claim a woman who was
once a slave...she no longer "existed" and would not take them back/support
them... so they became urts.. urts ARE Free Woman..
Jake_Musician 19:39:58 CST
would be nice if she bathed and wiped her nose..chuckles
paris{Rm} 19:40:41 CST
Agrees with Mistress Deirdre
That was who paris was thinking of Mistress...ariel is great.
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:40:44 CST
*ariel hasn't been a she urt for the past 2 years S*
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:41:21 CST
*well we could always throw them into the canal for a bath Jake LOL*
Elektra_Free_Woman 19:41:42 CST
~*nods*~
Yes, segen. That is why I get confused. Hehehe...she is Free, yet she serves
people in various um...capacities so is it ok for me to ask her to get me a
drink or food? Ai ya...
Laroona 19:41:42 CST
which comes back to my point
a FW entering the tavern is open for collaring
except under certain circumstances
just my opinion and thoughts on the current rules *S*
Jake_Musician 19:41:59 CST
Nods to the Captain..We could do that indeed
Mystique 19:42:03 CST
Question,,
So, I have no Man, nor family, does this make me an urt?
Rollo_the_Ax 19:42:11 CST
IF a she urt was asked to serve, she would do so for some form of * payoff *
... a scrape of food, a drink, etc.,... unlike a slave who HAS TO serve or
die... a she urt would not be expected to serve as well or as gracefully as
a TRAINED slave either.... IMO
Deirdre 19:42:18 CST
Captain Rollo.......I understand the difference, Sir......I was.......just
making a comparison......to......sort of clarify the role of a she-urt. I
wasn't condemning anyone......or holding Myself above anyone.
galah{HoT} 19:42:18 CST
but Mistress Laroona, if a slave was just freed, and was always a slave,
how would she possibly survive in the FW world? she would have nuthing,
no home, no clothes, nothing
~segen~ 19:42:28 CST
Master Forest, but ariel's an urt again now (as well as her once chain,
dri and jessi) and none of them wish to be force collared... they are all
"free"
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:42:41 CST
*thats why she would need a friend or protector while in the tavern
scranging for food*
Laroona 19:43:39 CST
Looks at galah and smiles
I would think it is up to each individual circumstance
some are given money some are not etc...
Mystique 19:43:52 CST
Just trying to catch up and understand what's being said,
~segen~ 19:44:10 CST
Mistress Mystique..depends..where did you get your money? if you HAVE some,
then no..if you have none and have to live of the "kidness of strangers" to
eat...then yes
Rollo_the_Ax 19:44:27 CST
How about equating she urts to our RT * homeless street people * ??? they
have NOT given up any of their legal rights... but their economic conditions
force them to do whatever they must to * get by * ..... ??????
~segen~ 19:44:45 CST
~nodding in agreement with Master Rollo~
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:45:04 CST
*yes she is again segen but before she wasn't S*
Mystique 19:45:30 CST
~nods~ ok thank You Rollo
Elektra_Free_Woman 19:45:38 CST
She could work, segen. FW are not above working for a living. When Harkon
released me, I had nothing so I started doing that which I knew...I trapped
and hunted. I sold the furs and hides and jerked the meat, which I sold too.
Some men who had known me before I was a bond maid gave me gifts of money
For which they asked nothing in return, so I could get back on my feet. It
worked out. I still work.
Jake_Musician 19:46:13 CST
Rollo..was how I treated the she urts...as a rt homeless person..up to Me to
offer help or not...
~segen~ 19:46:13 CST
Master Forset...mmmm yeah..when she was owned she was a slave... *giggling,
thinking that one was sorta cut and dry*
~segen~ 19:47:20 CST
Mistress Elektra...(and You know i love you) You were a Panther...how many
"city girls" do you think would be able to go out and do what you did to
make money?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:48:32 CST
*I don't think the city FW could trap an urt let along animals in the forest
LOL*
Rollo_the_Ax 19:48:40 CST
LOL.. Deirdre, I did not mean to imply that you were doing so.... I am simply trying to point out that JUST because a woman wants to play the part of a Goreanshe urt, that she can or should.... it takes GREAT skill to play the part properly and WELL...
Jake_Musician 19:48:55 CST
knows Elektra to be an outstanding cook as well!
~segen~ 19:50:59 CST
i do have a question though Master Rollo, about urts...
do they petition the counsil to be "free" with urt status?
i am a bareneked slave...yes something that didn't exist on gor but here it
is what it is. i am not an urt and don't feel i have the right to that stuts.
However i also don't want anyone that's freed thinking "yippie i have a way into the
Tavern protected"..in essence i don't want it abused and lost for all...
Deirdre 19:52:06 CST
Good question, segen.....*nodding to her....and then turning to Rollo*
I have wondered that Myself, Captain.......
Elektra_Free_Woman 19:52:07 CST
segen, most FW were schooled in the tasks of keeping a home, sewing,
cooking, etc.
Couldn't an urt be a cook, seamstress, etc? Surely there would be work for
one suchas she if she were clever. I am reasonably sure I could get a job as a cook
or baker, if for nothing else than shelter.
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:53:22 CST
*true Elektra,but maybe they don't wish to work LOL*
~segen~ 19:53:29 CST
Mistress Elektra...most urts are freed slaves...they know one thing REALLY
Well works to get food and money (and if they are still alive, they should be
damn good AT it *soft grin*)...this however is my opinion...fact is they DID exist in
the books...
Rollo_the_Ax 19:54:21 CST
she urts being in the tavern ??? why not ??? regular FW can enter...if they
are NOT afraid of being collared.. LOL.. she urts are just the same... but
they don't usually have * protectors * that are around... the ONLY
difference ( in MY opinion...) is that the she urt is a much smaller
target... she KNOWS she is NOT as big a * prize * or trophy as a fancy
shmancy FREE woman.... LOL...
Rollo_the_Ax 19:57:26 CST
The one flaw in your logic or explaination, Elektra is that you forget how
caste bound the Gorean system is... EVERY job.. baker, leather worker, hell,
even canal urt cather, had a CASTE and NON members were shunned or at least
not allowed to work in the area....
Elektra_Free_Woman 19:58:38 CST
~*blushes 10 shades of red*~
Yes, Emerald Forest and segen, that is true. Ai ya...I guess I am naive in
some ways. Eeek!
~segen~ 19:59:13 CST
Master Rollo an EXCLLENT point (that i had forgotten *nodding*)
Elektra_Free_Woman 19:59:30 CST
~*nods, crimson still staining dusky cheeks*~
Yes, Rollo...I forgot about caste.
~segen~ 20:00:58 CST
~nudges the Ex Panther~ me too..
Rollo_the_Ax 20:02:59 CST
I mean to inject a bit of RT logic or whatever into the debate here.... how
many times has anybody here ran out and offered WORK to a street kid or
person ??? he shun them, and look the other way.... maybe toss the more
enterprising one a few cents when they clean your windows at the stop
lights...RIGHT ??? what sort of work could they REALLY do ??? NOTHING on a
regular bases...
Elektra_Free_Woman 20:03:18 CST
~*smiles sheepishly at segen*~
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:03:34 CST
*so we are in agreement that a she urt is allowed in the tavern with the
recommendations that Rollo stated before,but does she need a protector and
can she be kolared if not protected?*
~segen~ 20:04:11 CST
~nodding as she hears Master Forest~
Jake_Musician 20:04:42 CST
offered five dollars to one holding a sign.."need money for beer" felt that
was most honest anyhow..the sign that is
~segen~ 20:05:00 CST
i vote..yes on team urt ~nodding~
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:06:00 CST
*a she urt needs to petition the council to become a FW first though if not
already one S*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:06:31 CST
we, instead of he shun them.... I didn't proof read well enough... and YES,
I am as guilty as anybody else... they fall thru the cracks and unless they
get RIGHT in our faces, we don't want to know ANYTHING about them.... she
urts are just the Gorean version....agreed ????
~segen~ 20:06:51 CST
~Hearing Master Forest~
i also agree with that concept..(as i as a freed slave don't wish it abused
either, but that's just me0
Jake_Musician 20:07:27 CST
agrees..having been awaken from a slumber
Deirdre 20:07:45 CST
I would be in agreement to that....*nodding*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:14:50 CST
EF... as a she urt, she really could NOT have a formal * protector * like a
full FW.... but in MY opinion, she just MIGHT have a * friendly * Master
that would take it personal if anybody screwed with her tooo much ... much
the same as eight Xern or Myself with ariel... neither of us ever wanted to
collar the girl, but as long as SHE played the part correctly, either one of
us would have kicked ass and taken names if ANYBODY had abused her...
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:16:19 CST
*sounds fine to Me then Rollo as there are always someone that wants to
kolar a freeneck LOL*
~segen~ 20:16:23 CST
~smiling as she hears of chain's protection~
Jake_Musician 20:17:05 CST
could she enter the Tavern and ask a member to "protect
" her for as long as He remained in Tavern to visit?
Rollo_the_Ax 20:17:14 CST
OH SHIT !!! I need to slow down.... " much the same as eight Xern or Myself
with ariel" ??? EITHER Xern or Myself...
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:17:59 CST
*well we would be in trouble with 8 Xerns LOL*
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:18:21 CST
*as long as she trusted Him,then I suppose she could Jake S*
Laroona 20:18:44 CST
*chuckles*
one Xern scare the begeebers out of all
Jake_Musician 20:19:21 CST
nods was My thoughts Emerald...thank you for clarifying
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:20:02 CST
*a she urt would be like a bare neck slave as she wouldn't have a permanent
protector,just one while she was in there S*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:21:02 CST
Okay... how about this as an example ??? if a she urt came into the tavern,
and was at the table of ANY ma.... would it not be at HIS discresion or will
just what hs ecould are could NOT do ??? right ....?? so if he wanted to do
so, he would * protect * her from some other guy... and it could be on a
case by case, or time by time basis.... agreed ?????
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:21:46 CST
*agreed by Me Rollo S*
~segen~ 20:22:50 CST
Master Rollo as long as that didn't include force collaring her...as long as
she plays the urt role as she should...i don't think she should be able to
be force collared (or i know for one chain would never enter. she will NOT
risk her neck)..
Khaled 20:22:51 CST
~nods~ in agreement with Rollo
Jake_Musician 20:22:59 CST
agreed with the concept placed forward
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:24:37 CST
*I would say segen that she would be at risk like any other FW or slave
otherwise she could push the limit*
~segen~ 20:25:15 CST
Master Forest, yes, if she pushes the limit i agree..if she is courting a
collar so be it...but if she is urt, through and through..then no force
collaring..aye?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:26:06 CST
*I agree segen S*
~segen~ 20:27:02 CST
~doing a lil happy dance as she and Master Forest agree twice in the same
damn day! who would have thunk~
Rollo_the_Ax 20:29:53 CST
sorry folks.. it seems that I am having an EXTRA dyslectic day today.... For
now, it is agreed that she urts are allowed in GS... the Council will work
out detailed rules or limits some time soon... okay ??? I do not know right
off just how many she urts there are what want to come into GS at this
time.... but I will say for the record that until I revoke the offer that
ANYBODY that abuses or harms the she urt ariel WILL answer to ME,
personally... NOT as a Council member, but as simply Rollo the Ax...
~segen~ 20:31:17 CST
~nodding as she Hears Master Rollo~
Rollo_the_Ax 20:31:58 CST
segen... she urts still have the leave button....LOL...LOL... I REALLY can't
see how one could possibly be forced into a collar before she could hit that
one lil old button...... LOL..
~segen~ 20:33:15 CST
Master Rollo...(and i think You know this as most know how much ariel means
to me). i just want to make sure chain (and others like her) don't have to
be fearful everytime they step in. if they are honest to the role i want to
make sure they are okay. but yes i DO see what You mean ~soft smile~
Laroona 20:33:42 CST
would this affect more than just one person?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:34:23 CST
*anybody that wishes to play the she urt Laroona S*
Laroona 20:34:56 CST
nodding
thank you Captain
Rollo_the_Ax 20:37:05 CST
segen... there will always be FEAR... it is simply the level or degree that
is in question.... a little fear or such is a GOOD thing.. it keeps the mind
clear and the wits sharp... too much fear can cripple anybody... so each
person must balance their own level or degree that THEY are willing to
accept...
~segen~ 20:39:03 CST
Master Rollo...(just for example)...if i was to be allowed to be an urt and
entered the tavern...do You not think without a monicur of protection i
would enter the Tavern and risk my throat? Hell too many would be happy to
collar me if for no other reason then to have the privlidge of slitting my
throat! i'm all for walking on the edge as long as it's not a trap...
Rollo_the_Ax 20:39:56 CST
Okay folks.. we have well and truly covered the she urt issue, so lets get to
the other topic that we have...
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:40:21 CST
*it just means segen that you would not enter the tavern unless you know
someone there would protect you*
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:40:35 CST
*it is just like a bare neck slave S*
~segen~ 20:40:59 CST
~chuckling~ and hope that Master didn't want me as a head orniment *L*
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:41:05 CST
If any woman who is not collared enters the tavern, slave, free or urt, she
is at risk of a collar, that is how the rules are.
Now, just to amend this, I agree with Rollo about ariel, if anyone abuses or
hurts her, they will also answer to me.
caitlin_{Xg-L} 20:42:06 CST
if a she-urt doesnt enter the tavern unless she knows she it proteceted
would that not be the same for a FW ..enter if She has a protector
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:42:14 CST
No one needs to collar you to slit your throat, segen. It would be a waste
of a collar.
~segen~ 20:43:09 CST
well thank You for Your opinion...
Rollo_the_Ax 20:44:16 CST
segen, I would not see that really happening...BUT I will put forth the
issue when the Council makes any rules... perhaps a rule that says * NO
collaring she urts just to KILL them... or maybe even a rule that says that
ANY she urt collared while IN GS must NOT be killed without Council
permission ???? We can see about what needs done ...okay ???
~segen~ 20:44:55 CST
aye Master Rollo, thank You for Your thoughtfullness ~smiling~
FW behaviour
Rollo_the_Ax 20:46:11 CST
**. We all know that women are subject to the will of men on Gor, however,
FW are given much latitude in the way they behave publicly. I have seen FW
mouth off or behave like sluts at various times. When is enough enough or
the FW step too far over the line of FW behavior? So what is it? Why can
some get away with such behavior on a regular basis and others not? I don't
get it. **
Rollo_the_Ax 20:46:49 CST
BTW, that is the new topic... why some FW get away with more than others ???
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:47:34 CST
*I think it all depends on who they are mouthing off to and what sort of
mood that person is in at the time S*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:49:22 CST
On this issue, I can only say that FW are like any other people.... some do
less or more than others... some know when enough is enough, and others seem
to have this desire to ALWAYS push the envelope EVERY time....
Elektra_Free_Woman 20:50:20 CST
~*listens quietly*~
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:51:12 CST
Well, sometimes a free woman does push it too far, and then they pay the
consequences of their actions.
Smiling as I pull the kneeling penny close to my side, snuggling the slave
I'd recently recollared.
Jake_Musician 20:51:12 CST
or how big the sword of the Man protecting them..whether here or not?
Orion 20:51:39 CST
This is true Rollo, but what happens when they push it TOO far.. And they
feel they can do whatever they want cause they have "Protection"?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:52:38 CST
*thats when You need to call the attention to the protector and see what He
does about it and then take it from there Orion S*
penny{Kyo} 20:52:45 CST
*dropping my head a bit*
I don't really think that my behavior was so horrible, but what matters is
that it was unacceptable to the one who counts, and so here I sit in a
collar.
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:53:27 CST
If anyone has a problem with a protected free woman, they can approach the
protector and challenge them for her neck if they feel strong enough about
it.
That is why they have real protectors and not "made-up" guards.
synnove{Mordecai} 20:54:14 CST
*~chuckles softly hearing Captain Kyoto and winks teasingly at penny as i
adjust Mordecai's kolar, still trying to get accustomed to it~*
Laroona 20:54:42 CST
and those who are not protected?
Jake_Musician 20:54:54 CST
listens and nods...
Mystique 20:55:13 CST
~nods at Laroona~ was thinking the same thing
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:56:21 CST
*those that are not protected have always got the Captains to turn to,but of
course the Captains can still kolar the FW if it is needed LOL*
Jake_Musician 20:56:46 CST
those unprotected..dare not mouth off to the wrong Man?
Laroona 20:56:51 CST
or are they (those who are pledged) under the blanket protection of Council?
Rollo_the_Ax 20:56:56 CST
I can answer this in a way that perhaps will seem funny or odd.. but in many
cases, * some * FW get away with stuff simply because she is not seen as
worth the effort to collar.. or that if such was done to her, she would
never make a worth while slave.... we tend to ignore those things that we
have no interest in....
penny{Kyo} 20:57:00 CST
I would think that an unprotected FW would be at the mercy of the person to
whom she showed disrespect.
Laroona 20:57:22 CST
(((oops crossed posts with EF ))
Laroona 20:58:02 CST
maybe a punishment collar could be fitting for a couple of hands LOL
Mystique 20:58:25 CST
~shivers a bit~ Thank You Captain.
Tho I don't think I have ever behaved un appropriate for a FW, and don't
plan on doing so... lol
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:58:32 CST
*I think once a kolar was put on a FW it would stay LOL*
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:59:09 CST
I don't think so, Laroona, then what's the point of seeking out a protector
at all?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:59:10 CST
*as long as You stay like that Mystique You should be safe S*
synnove{Mordecai} 20:59:11 CST
~*slips out quietly*~
Elektra_Free_Woman 21:00:08 CST
The books say that a FW may behave as badly as she wishes and few will
gainsay her. What is too far? I have witnessed FW who described their
"breasts as large as melons" with avis to match...I have seen FW scold FW
for something and be totally disrespectful, yet nothing was done to them. I
do not think that I could get away with it. I think I would be held
accountable.
Elektra_Free_Woman 21:01:06 CST
OOps...should have said FW disrespecting FM. Sorry
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 21:01:39 CST
*that would all depend on the FM Elektra as each Male has His cut of point
for a FW S*
orli_{GS}~t 21:03:09 CST
if orli may add something here
we are all adults...not always acting like adults...but none the less we
are......
but if a simple slave can offer some advice....be accountable for your
actions....each and every one of us
mean what you say....and say what you mean
and honestly......
if you can't say anything nice....don't say anything at all
Jake_Musician 21:03:51 CST
ah the golden rule
Laroona 21:03:52 CST
I think most FW know the line they tread
or depending on the mood or whatg was said
it is my understanding all force collarings etc are ruled on by Coucnil if
the FW objects..... *S*
Elektra_Free_Woman 21:04:07 CST
~*nods*~
Good advice, orli.
orli_{GS}~t 21:04:47 CST
*smiles up at Master Jake~
we learn it from kindergarten and perhaps sooner
simple...honest....to the point
what more do we need?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 21:04:55 CST
*all force kolarings and killings are ruled by the council S*
paris{Rm} 21:05:45 CST
Smiling to my heartsis
Very good advice orli
penny{Kyo} 21:05:46 CST
I know that in my case, I certainly didn't cross any sexual lines, and can't
imagine myself being able to perform in that sort of capacity now as a
collared slave... I'm too old, I have no interest, I have too much going on
in my r/t life to be able to do that sort of thing online.
As for being mouthy, my issue was being nasty to a slave, which is very
typical FW behavior. And honestly, collaring me has done nothing to curb my
behavior with that particular slave. *sighs*
So anyway, life goes on.
Elektra_Free_Woman 21:06:27 CST
I am only visiting GS, Laroona. I was curious. I have always been held
accountable for my words and actions but I know others are not and just
wondered why some get away with it and others don't. Rollo and Emerald
Forest have good points. Some FW, I suppose, are not worth the effort and it
depends on the man in question.
Khaled 21:06:47 CST
What is disrespectful to one person another would just laugh at
Elektra_Free_Woman 21:08:11 CST
~*Blushes deeply*~
penny, Harkon force collared me because I was nasty to a slave too...it was
a punishment as I was a FW at the time. I understand how you feel. I truly
do. I guess it just depends on the man.
Rollo_the_Ax 21:08:27 CST
Perhaps another way to TRY and halt such behavior would be to OPENLY call
such FW out on their misconduct... it is again, very human in nature to keep
doing ANY action, be it right OR wrong, if you do NOT get called to task for
it.... is a FW goes too far, SAY SO... right then, right there... if they
keep doing it, then file a formal complaint.... provide proof, and get her
punished....
Jake_Musician 21:08:52 CST
Some Men might simply see the mouthy woman as a challenge to break her of
the habit..others not worth the trouble..each to their own likes..dislikes
penny{Kyo} 21:09:18 CST
*smiling gratefully to Elektra*
It happens, and I should have known better. I *did* know better, and did it
anyway.
paris{Rm} 21:09:46 CST
Beams Him a smile as He re enters
Elektra_Free_Woman 21:10:28 CST
I just lost my temper, penny...I am not normally nasty towards slaves but
this one just pushed me too far. I paid the price for losing my temper.
Ramses 21:10:33 CST
reading back quickly
then nodding to Jake in agreement
penny{Kyo} 21:13:11 CST
*nodding my head in understanding*
I can relate, and will also be paying the price.
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 21:14:11 CST
*thats the difference with each Master,as one might not punish a FW because
of speaking to a slave wrong,but then another would S*
Elektra_Free_Woman 21:15:11 CST
~*Sends you a warm and understanding smile*~
Yes...it sucks, but perhaps you will regain your freedom again. Harkon freed
me when I once again behaved as I normally do, with grace and dignity.
~*the words spoken softly and gently*~
penny{Kyo} 21:16:21 CST
*shaking my head*
That's a nice dream, but I don't see it happening. Me being free was a shaky
prospect anyway, but we'll see.
Rollo_the_Ax 21:16:37 CST
Folks... please feel free to stay and keep talking, but I have to be
going... I have several RT issues to deal with... no time, even less energy,
and NO patience to do them with.... LOL... Be well, all.... see you again
next week.... same time, same place.....
orli_{GS}~t 21:16:47 CST
*wonders if forum is over orrrrr...slightly confused....so Many have
left....and...~
Elektra_Free_Woman 21:16:55 CST
Emerald Forest, in my case, it was not only that I spoke harshly, extremely
harshly to the slave, but I destroyed property that was not mine to destroy.
Harkon was well within his rights to punish me. I was companioned to him at
the time. I deserved it. I admit it. I accepted the punishment and tried my
best to make amends.
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 21:17:13 CST
Be well, brother.
orli_{GS}~t 21:17:25 CST
orli wishes You well Master Rollo
and thank You for leading Forum
caitlin_{Xg-L} 21:17:26 CST
Please be well Master Rollo ~ss~
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 21:17:43 CST
I wish you all well, I have an errand to run.
~segen~ 21:17:49 CST
Thank You Master Rollo ~spoken softly~
paris{Rm} 21:18:14 CST
paris wishes well Master Rollo....thank You for an excellent forum.
Elektra_Free_Woman 21:18:21 CST
Winds and safe journeys, Rollo. Thank you for allowing me to attend
tonight's forum.
~*smiles to you as you leave*~