Rollo_the_Ax 19:10:29 CST
Okay then, folks..... shall we get started ???
Rollo_the_Ax 19:11:47 CST
the very FIRST thing that we need to do is remind EVERYBODY about how things are supposed to work.....
So here are the RULES for the forum...
Forum Protocols and Rules
The following Protocols and Rules are to be followed in all future forums at
soon as the forum is called to order, this is allow a free flowing forum.
1) All greetings and chatting, and other actions is to be held to a minimum.
Those can be made in PM's;
2) Please PM the moderator with any topics you wish discussed;
3) It is not necessary for any to post an entry to the forum;
4) All persons whether Free or kajirae are ENCOURAGED to speak what is on their
mind. All should always be respectful no matter what our station on Gor;
5) Mutual respect is the only RULE at the forums, all the rest is normal
protocol that exists during the forum;
6) Each topic will be addressed by any that wish to speak on it, but in order to
save time, maybe type up your post in a separate text format and then simply cut
and paste it into the chat window;
7) The forums are intended as both a learning experience for all and intended to
promote unity amongst all of Gorean Shores and others, so come and listen as
well as contribute;
8) Words/thoughts spoken at the forum is a separate entity from the daily
protocols of Gorean Shores. Please remember there is to be no retaliation of any
words, thoughts spoken by any slave during the forums, as it goes against the
principles of the forum;
9) Please keep actions posts to a minimum, your words and thoughts are more
important;
10) Notes are kept and many scribes work hard at saving the posts, please keep
the work they do behind the scenes in mind.
Rollo_the_Ax 19:16:43 CST
The reason that I am posting these rules for ALL to see and be reminded about is
quite simple..... FAR TOO MANY folks have been * slipping * repeatedly and
making the forum seem more like just another room to play in rather than the
serious nature that it is meant to be....... So from now on, if need be, * I *
will openly *REMIND * folks that they are talking TOO damn much and doing stuff
that SHOULD be done in whispers rather than the open room....
Rollo_the_Ax 19:18:04 CST
Thank YOU, Laroona for helping the Council get these rules up and posted so that
folks can see JUST what is expected of them.....
Laroona 19:19:53 CST
Captain Rollo it was my pleasure to assist Council and those of GS *smiling*
I found a couple of minor errors when I made the web page so fixed those LOL
***Note The page is not up at this stage****
Rollo_the_Ax 19:24:02 CST
Okay then..... shall we move on ?? Does anybody have a topic they wish discussed
????
FW In Tavern remains under Consideration
Rollo_the_Ax 19:27:18 CST
As an FYI, the Council is still considering the FW in the Tavern issue.... we
had the vote in the Council email, and the results to tell the truth were
somewhat less helpful than we had thought they would be..... of all those that
took the time to vote, it was almost a tie.... 8 FOR, and 7 AGAINST... so there
was no clear * land slide * of opinion to help us decide just what to do.... I
am sure that we will have an answer by this time next week though.....so be
patient, if you will.......
Ramses 19:28:39 CST
*grinning* that vote seems to mirror the discussion last week Rollo
Laroona 19:28:52 CST
*nodding as I hear the Captain*
galah{RA} 19:28:57 CST
that was in the point system Master Rollo, not the head count?
Deirdre 19:29:44 CST
Captain Rollo......That being the case......the vote being close, I
mean.......perhaps that warrants "tabling" the issue and leaving the situation
as is. I am One who voted FOR Women in the tavern....but I do NOT want that if
it is another cause of disagreement among those pledged
Deirdre 19:32:01 CST
If FW ARE allowed in the tavern, those who disagree that they should be in there
will target them...and cause problems......which will make those disagreeing
with it to seem justified.....
Ramses 19:32:50 CST
its seems unfortunate that the will of the Council would not be abided ...
Laroona 19:33:01 CST
Dei all things considering there are still some who will target FW no matter
what room we are in.... simple fact of nature *S*
Penny 19:33:03 CST
I was on the fence about the issue, but one thing that I miss with the safety of
the piazza is the threat of potential danger... FW used to get captured all the
time (not that I want to be captured, but the threat of capture can be enough to
keep women in line)...
With the piazza so toasty warm and snuggly safe, women can become complacent.
(have to go out a sec, back in ten)
Ramses 19:33:33 CST
or perhaps better stated as "would be subverted."
Laroona 19:33:40 CST
Ramses exactly as Council always will judge on any situation *S*
Rollo_the_Ax 19:34:24 CST
LOL...LOL... Lady Deirdre...That there may be * disagreement * among those here
is only to be expected.. we ARE all people here, with differing opinions and
ideas.... Suffice it to say that the Council is STILL considering the matter,
and as of yet, no clear course of action has been decided on YET.......
Deirdre 19:35:21 CST
Laroona.....I, for One, have not felt targeted in a while....and when I do, I
speak up.....and follow protocol. This desention will only cause a further
wedge....and encourage the blaming of FW for all the ills of the site. My
opinion.
Laroona 19:37:00 CST
Dei I concur Lady *S*
as long as we follow protocol and act as FW should and remind ourselves we do
have a place in Gor though here in GS our numbers are small *S*
Deirdre 19:38:13 CST
*nodding respectfully to the Captain*
I do understand, Rollo.....and I appreciate the Council's efforts. I just wanted
to state My opinion. I just want there to be unity in the ranks......both Free
and slave.
Rollo_the_Ax 19:39:33 CST
YES, it is a sad commentary on the nature of humans that too often.. SMALL
people with small minds feel it necessary to try and oppress others for no good
reason.
Ramses 19:39:41 CST
total unity might be difficult, but respect, as we discussed a few weeks ago, is
not too much to ask for
Rollo_the_Ax 19:43:11 CST
As Laroona says... EVERY action within GS is at the discression of the
Council....so even should some * misguided * person TRY and punish ANYBODY
without just cause, their action can be over-turned and ruled null and void...
so FW need not worry as much, as long as they abide by the Rules of the
Council.... We may not always be RIGHT, but we STRIVE to always be JUST ........
Ramses 19:44:57 CST
*applauding Rollo's words*
Deirdre 19:46:03 CST
*nodding to Captain Rollo*
Aye.....I know that the Council would deal with it justly, Captain. I have no
doubt of that. I just wished to publicly put the scenario on the table.......so
to speak..........perhaps as a warning to those who might precipitate such
deeds......or perhaps just to make Me feel better about My worries over what
might happen.
Laroona 19:46:11 CST
Captain Rollo and IMO that boils down to respecting the Council ... as we all
place our trust in them *S*
caitlin_{Xg-L}t 19:46:26 CST
how soon people forget the words of Master Rollo at the start of the Forum
Rollo_the_Ax 19:48:00 CST
SO TRUE, Ramses..... RESPECT is a two edged sword.....it can never be expected
unless it is aslso given.... and even when one may not * respect * the
individual, they still need to show the minimum level of respect to the position
or rank.... I can say from PERSONAL experience...I had officers that I said *
SIR * to that deserved it.... and others that * SIR * may as well have been *
ASSHOLE * ..LOL..but the words were there, even if the respect was NOT.......
Laroona 19:48:04 CST
Dei maybe pointing to the rules of GS should suffice LOL
ka'lima_{GS} 19:49:35 CST
Mistress Laroona - yes, it should suffice, but Mistress Deirdre is correct...
will it... there is the hope that none are here without wishing to belong to
GS... and that includes being under the authority of the Council...
Deirdre 19:50:08 CST
Laroona.....True....though someone who would try something like that wouldn't
necessary take the advise or suggestion of a FW......*chuckling*
Laroona 19:50:54 CST
LOL Dei then I do the C&P and run like the wind LOL and hit the X button LOL
Ramses 19:51:24 CST
Very true Rollo ... very
Deirdre 19:52:27 CST
*smiling at Laroona*
Probably very sage advise, Dear Lady.......advise that I should adhere
to.....except that......I abhor running.......*chuckling*......running makes
Me....uhmmm...."glow".....
Rollo_the_Ax 19:52:35 CST
** Doing a double take after finally seeing jades * new * icon..... Now THAT is
the FIRST time in ALL MY years on Gor that I have acually seen a pegnant
kajira.....LOL...and should be taken by ALL kajira as a reminder that * slave
wine is your FRIEND *.....LOL...LOL..
Laroona 19:54:43 CST
Dei ohh my very nature would make me stand toe to toe so to speak LOL but then I
would hate to see Xertog lop of some fools head or other appendages LOL
Deirdre 19:55:57 CST
*grinning and nodding to Laroona*
Paedur-Slavemaster 19:57:00 CST
Well only 13 slaves have taken their doses, so a likely possibility. *S*
Rollo_the_Ax 19:57:33 CST
Okay then folks..... is there any other topic that y'all feel like discussing
???
Rollo_the_Ax 20:03:18 CST
Forum Protocols and Rules
The following Protocols and Rules are to be followed in all future forums at
soon as the forum is called to order, this is allow a free flowing forum.
1) All greetings and chatting,and other actions is to be held to a minimum.
Those can be made in PM's;
2) Please PM the moderator with any topics you wish discussed;
3) It is not necessary for any to post an entry to the forum;
4) All persons whether Free or kajirae are ENCOURAGED to speak what is on their
mind. All should always be respectful no matter what our station on Gor;
5) Mutual respect is the only RULE at the forums, all the rest is normal
protocol that exists during the forum;
6) Each topic will be addressed by any that wish to speak on it, but in order to
save time, maybe type up your post in a separate text format and then simply cut
and paste it into the chat window;
7) The forums are intended as both a learning experience for all and intended to
promote unity amongst all of Gorean Shores and others, so come and listen as
well as contribute;
8) Words/thoughts spoken at the forum is a separate entity from the daily
protocols of Gorean Shores. Please remember there is to be no retaliation of any
words, thoughts spoken by any slave during the forums, as it goes against the
principles of the forum;
9) Please keep actions posts to a minimum, your words and thoughts are more
important;
10) Notes are kept and many scribes work hard at saving the posts, please keep
the work they do behind the scenes in mind.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:05:28 CST
Please take note of # 1 rule, folks..... once the forum has started, keep
greetings and such to whispers to make it easier for the scribes.....
Jaegers_kath 20:06:37 CST
If a girl may say so, would it be possible to add a tag to the forum page with
those rules, Jarl Rollo
Laroona 20:07:17 CST
kath already done
galah{RA} 20:09:28 CST
maybe even with those rules in place, it needs to be stated that this forum, is
NOT a role play room?
Jaegers_kath 20:09:37 CST
Mistress Laroona, it's not under the Room Info....looking up and down~
Rollo_the_Ax 20:13:58 CST
LOL..LOL... looking to kath... * Well, I could NOT have told you if it could be
done, kath...but luckily, there are those here that DO know if and how it could
get done.....LOL...LOL.. thanks again, Laroona for * taking care of business *
...LOL..
Defining Gorean Mastery or Males Gorean-ness?
Rollo_the_Ax 20:09:17 CST
Okay then... the next topic seems to be related to or taken from a posting on
the message board.... * Gorean Masters, or Gorean MEN in general.... is their *
Gorean-ness * ( for lack of a better word ) defined or displayed by how many
slaves they collar ?? can a GOREAN man be such, WITHOUT having more than one
slave collared to HIM ??
ka'lima_{GS} 20:10:07 CST
ka'lima believes a Gorean Man can be Gorean without owning a slave at all
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:10:51 CST
*laughs* Any of You want to ask Master Ruilan if He's gorean simply because He
has one slave? or any for that matter?
Ramses 20:11:09 CST
*chuckling* I think that if O/one reads the responses of Kyoto and Shadowglade the question is answered ... and quite eloquently
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:11:46 CST
Being Gorean has little to do with slaves. and Gorean Men would exist if there
were no slaves around. They might not be as thrilled about it.. but They would
still be what They are now.
~mischief~ 20:11:47 CST
m's dosen't honestly understand this question. Even in the books there were men
that had NO girls and MANY that had one. Men had to be able to afford slaves and
having several was a display of wealth and success. Yet all Men were considered
of course Gorean.
m's not sure who would have come up with the question, personally seems as if it
would be someone attempting to justify His actions or insecure.
Laroona 20:11:56 CST
owning a slave or slaves does not make a Gorean
jade{Dk} 20:11:56 CST
jade doesn't feel that the amount of slaves have anything to do with how
"Gorean" a Free is... That is like saying... is someone a good person for the
amount of trinkets they have.
ka'lima_{GS} 20:11:58 CST
~agrees with Master Ramses~ yes... Gorean is of the heart... not of the
situation
Deirdre 20:12:07 CST
I find that whole notion as rather preposterous. I laughed when I read it on the
boards.......and then was gratified when I read the posts of those that
responded.
Kyoto 20:12:11 CST
Of the men here, how many slaves do each of you own?
tassa{HoK}~Penny~ 20:12:36 CST
a Gorean Man can be a Gorean Man without having ANY slaves kolared to Him, in
tassas opinion...or if He chooses, He can have a chain a pasang long...He's
gorean because of His actions, not because of what he does or does not own,
whether that be slaves, or ships, or whatever..
Torvask 20:12:57 CST
As for Me Kyoto....None
Xertog 20:13:03 CST
I own two.
Ramses 20:13:38 CST
Kyoto, only the one here with Me
Laroona 20:14:13 CST
Torvask did you release your girl after all?
Torvask 20:14:38 CST
I had no choice Laroona
Kyoto 20:16:59 CST
Nodding
So, do any of you men feel more or less Gorean for the number you own?
This isn't a game where whoever owns the most toys when they die, wins. And for
people to say that they are more Gorean because of their perceived wealth shows
that they know little of what it means to be Gorean
Rollo_the_Ax 20:17:25 CST
Each person.... be they male OR female...should be able AND willing to not only
acknowledge their own limitations, but willing to admit them as well.....
Deirdre 20:17:55 CST
*nodding to Kyoto's comment*
Exactly Captain......which is why I found the question on the boards to be
laughable.
jade{Dk} 20:18:12 CST
nodding softly as she hears Jarl Rollo... very well said*
~mischief~ 20:18:38 CST
~nodding in agreement with Mistress Deirdre~ m's did as well
Ramses 20:18:43 CST
ownership has nothing to do with why I came to, or remain on Gor, My Friend ...
Laroona 20:19:07 CST
Captain Kyoto well said *S*
ka'lima_{GS} 20:21:27 CST
a question of equal importance... is a slave a slave without a Master?
Rollo_the_Ax 20:21:47 CST
saying that a man must own 1,2,4,18...slaves BEFORE he can be considered *
Gorean * is like saying that * you ain't a MAN until you own a truck, or can run
a race, or kill another human....... I seems to Me..( in MY opinion..) that most
often, those that TRY to impose arbitrary definitions on others are only trying
to overcome their OWN short comings.....
~mischief~ 20:22:04 CST
~hearing, mischief's hand lays to her bare neck~
Ramses 20:23:38 CST
knowing Hawk somewhat, I don't think that is what he was suggesting however, I
think He was just thinking out loud?
tassa{HoK}~Penny~ 20:24:19 CST
again, with or without a Master/Owner, a slave is definitely a slave...it's
whats' in her heart that makes her so, not what’s around her neck
THOUGH
the kolar about her neck can make her FEEL her slavery deeper
Ramses 20:24:38 CST
a slave .... in her heart ... will always be slave ...
ka'lima_{GS} 20:24:38 CST
Master Ramses - with respect, Master Shadowhawk referred to something said to
Him, not as His own thought
ka'lima_{GS} 20:25:23 CST
tassa - ka'lima would agree with that... she has observed mischief enough to see
that the heart of the girl is the heart of a slave... be she choosy or not about
her Master
Ramses 20:25:25 CST
ka'lima ... I understand, just wanted to be sure all understood that
Laroona 20:25:28 CST
LOL I had a shot at Xertog when he was made Captain about how long the chain he
now owns ... well 1/6th of it LOL
so does that mean Council members are measured by the number of GS slaves *S*
Xertog 20:25:41 CST
I think some new men to Gor put too much emphasis on owning a girl.
Jaegers_kath 20:26:07 CST
Nods and agrees with Master Ramses...indeed Master, ask a slave to forego Gor,
to forego that Strong Hand...they cannot.
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:26:07 CST
Master Shadowhawk had an alterior motive. no doubt. He was testing the metal of
the Men of GS with that question.
weeks earlier He was incredibly disturbed because a slave told Him that the only
thing that slaves are good for is serving and sex.
i know this, because He and ariel talked about it.
~mischief~ 20:26:18 CST
~whispering softly~
it is however unsettling to have no one to serve, and does make one feel
somewhat lost... (at least for mischief)
Kyoto 20:26:38 CST
Hearing ka'lima and actually pausing... thinking on that for a moment...
Well, it is the existence of men willing to master that brings the status of
slavery into reality. But, a woman has to be a slave in her heart to know that
she wishes to seek a master...
Laroona 20:26:57 CST
I considered the question from one who portrays himself as being a superior
Gorean male rather amusing... but then that is his right to post and mine to be
amused
ka'lima_{GS} 20:27:32 CST
~agrees with kath~ Master or no.. this girl is a slave... she hurts when she
cannot serve
galah{RA} 20:27:37 CST
i think sometimes out of necessity the Masters take some slaves, for the number
of slaves to Masters is overwhelming, and some girls don't want to belong to the
site, they wish a Master, even a Master with other slaves
Ramses 20:28:56 CST
chuckling
so should He have been testing the Men, or slaves of Gor
I, for One, do not feel that way, ari ...
amira_GS_ 20:29:09 CST
raising her head.
girl thinks that the true measure of Gorean men and Gor slaves is the fire that
burns in Each heart.
not what they appear to be , nor what they at times even percieve them selves to
be.
rather who they Prove them selves to be by actions, by the Strength of Their
commitment to GS, and by the Respect they show to Each Other
Gorean Men or Gorean slaves
Kyoto 20:30:28 CST
There is that, galah. The number of slaves in online Gor far outnumbers the
number of men.
Yet, Gor is definitely a man's world. So, where are the men that these women
seek?
Ramses 20:31:00 CST
an interesting question, Kyoto ...
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:31:11 CST
lots of people have tested GS Master Ramses. and they will do it again.
ariel thinks that the important part is how we responded.. and i think the
response was very good.
jessica_seleskia_MDG_ 20:31:34 CST
Master Kyoto, sometimes only in our dreams
Rollo_the_Ax 20:32:09 CST
How is a MAN measured ???? LOL.. the length of his slave chain ??? the amount of
gold he holds in his hand ??? the POWER he can exert over others ???? hell, the
size of his pecker ????? LOL...LOL... it depends on just how shallow the one
BEING measured is, or how shallow the one DOING the measuring is.....
Deirdre 20:32:22 CST
I agree with you, ariel..... and like Ramses, I applaud both Captains Kyoto and
Shadowglade for their posts to the question.
Laroona 20:33:29 CST
the responses were good,
galah{RA} 20:34:05 CST
would this be a true statement? the more superior a male sees himself, the more
gorean he is....confidence is a big part of mastery
Ramses 20:34:08 CST
it was an outstanding response, ari .. *S*
Kyoto 20:34:11 CST
Smiling at jessica_seleskia_MDG.
This world exists because strong men dreamt it was possible. It thrives because
it taps into the primal essence of humanity.
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 20:34:51 CST
Master Kyoto, I think some of the strongest Gorean men sometimes get burned out
on women, both slave and Free, who try to manipulate, lie and deceive them in
order to get their way. After it happens too many times, they leave in disgust.
The weaker men are the ones who allow their women to get out of hand. They don't
hold them to a high standard of Gorean behavior, which is bad for all.
galah{RA} 20:35:02 CST
must a man master himself before he can possibly master a slave?
tassa{HoK}~Penny~ 20:35:13 CST
tassas been wondering that for a long time Master Kyoto..it seems GS lacks
strong Master, compared to the Master/slave ratio...NOT saying eh GS Master
aren't strong, just the lack of numbers of strong Masters..*chuckling*...
are there no Males out there, that live by the "old school" rule of being the
Master of their house?? where are these men, and what can we do to attract them
to Gor?
Deirdre 20:35:56 CST
I would not necessarily agree with that, galah. I have met some FM that thought
VERY HIGHLY of themselves......*chuckling*......felt VERY SUPERIOR.....in every
way........and those were the Ones who fell the farthest from the mark of being
truly Gorean. My opinion.
Kyoto 20:35:59 CST
Definitely galah.
galah{RA} 20:36:13 CST
woooooooooooooooo hhhooooooooooooooooooo electra, great statement!!!!!!!!
~mischief~ 20:36:41 CST
~hearing galah~ aye, m's opinion, He must, but Mastery is MUCH more then just
confiance...the ability to take care of a girl is not just innate (m's thinks)
the caring mentally and physically for a slave is much more detailed
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 20:37:07 CST
galah, on Gor, ANY male is a Master just because of his gender.
Thank you, it is something I have witnessed much of since I came to online Gor.
Ramses 20:37:52 CST
just when things interesting, My time is up for this evening
Be well all ...
heel me out cheyenne
tassa{HoK}~Penny~ 20:38:03 CST
ahh Mistress, tassa thinks galah speaks of the ones that are considered true
goreans...not the ones that aren't..*L..if they see themselves as superior,
aren't they indeed superior? a Master MUST have a great amount of confidance in
Himself..cause frankly, tassa doesn't want a Master that lacks it, is unsure of
Himself, is always questioning his actions
Deirdre 20:38:09 CST
*nodding in complete agreement of elektra's musings*
Kyoto 20:38:22 CST
Deirdre, I took what galah said to mean that for a man to properly master a
woman, he must have already mastered himself.
But, it does not mean that all men that have mastered themselves are interesting
in mastering a slave. It's a matter of taste.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:38:49 CST
each NEW guy that comes to on-line Gor very often sees kajira as little more
than * knotches * on his belt, so to speak..... and thinks that we MUST own one
or MORE before he becomes a * Gorean *..... LOL...LOL... HNG's using which ever
definition you wish..... as I said before....... limitations define who and what
each person is or is NOT..... it is no good to be a * kajira magnet * and bed
every girl, if you are not able to also be honorable when dealing with
others.... or not be truthful....or feel that a strong sword arm makes YOUR
opinion the only one worth considering.....
galah{RA} 20:38:54 CST
well certainly mm there is more than just confidence, its the whole
picture....is it not true mm that a slave can spot a true Master the ehn he
walks in the room nearly? so what is it he oozes that we can smell immediately?
Laroona 20:39:13 CST
elektra does his gender make him a "true Gorean" I think not
Deirdre 20:40:38 CST
*listening to Kyoto' clarification.....and nodding*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:40:47 CST
To find the true path in LIFE....and follow the WAY..... one much not only see
their strong points and use them when needed, but also see their weaknesses and
strive to improve not only themselves, but others as well.....
Kyoto 20:40:54 CST
There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion, Laroona. For they see an
apparent lack in themselves and attempt to make strides to correct it.
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 20:40:59 CST
No, Mistress, it doesn't. You are right. If a man were a true Master and a
Gorean, he would not allow his women to lead him about by his fadu.
~*said quietly and respectfully, holding the tower position*~
~mischief~ 20:41:08 CST
galah, m's thinks it's more then confience..it is a mmm display of what He
is..that it can't be contained within Him in a sense it sorta oozes out into
every action He takes and words spoken. girl has defiantly been in a room rt
with a Master that bearly said a word and yet the ach to kneel at His feet was
there. If she could "name" it, she would...but whatever it is, THAT is what's
within them and that's what m's calls Mastery
Kyoto 20:43:21 CST
No such thing as a fadu, elektra... the mythical "Old Gorean" is not spoken
here.
ka'lima_{GS} 20:43:36 CST
~hearing galah's question~ strength... that's what ka'lima smells
Laroona 20:43:41 CST
I agree with the mastery of oneself is paramount *S*
Captain Kyoto your response was an excellent summation *S*
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:44:07 CST
ari doesn't know what makes a good Gorean Man a good Gorean Man, but i'll tell
you all what, i know it when i see it. and i know it when it's just not there.
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 20:44:48 CST
EEEK! Please forgive me, Master Captain Emeritus Kyoto! I did mean by his
uh...male appendage.
~*blushes from the roots of my hair to the tips of my bare toes*~
galah{RA} 20:44:50 CST
to bad that "thing" can't be bottled, hey mm, to be spread around to all those
that call themselves Master? for whatever it is, its strong and its what makes a
slave slave
Rollo_the_Ax 20:44:56 CST
LOL...LOL.. galah ...does that mean if a guy wants to be seen as a TRUE gorean
master, all he need do is NOT shower for a few days and then he will smell like
a randy billy goat ??? LOL...
Laroona 20:46:03 CST
I agree with the slaves many feel, sense a strong Gorean male, and as a FW I
also have that same sense but in a different way LOL
so saying one would assume the males would also sense that too *S*
~mischief~ 20:46:07 CST
galah....HELL yes, it is HEADY stuff!!! ~wiggling brows~
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:46:25 CST
*grins* nahh, ariel thinks to be true Gorean You have to be cutier than a
speckled pup and smell randy as a billy goat.
Kyoto 20:46:33 CST
I'm no longer an emeritus, elektra, I've been a full voting Captain for awhile
now.
galah{RA} 20:47:02 CST
heheheheeee thats not it Master Rollo, for you ooze that attractant much
stronger when you are clean hehehehehehee hehehehehehee
Rollo_the_Ax 20:47:25 CST
LOL...LOL.. if a man is MORE a man by having a long pecker.... does the same
ring true for women ??? the bigger your boobs, the more female you are ????
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:47:46 CST
you could turn the question around and probably have the same trouble answering
it complete... what makes a slave a good slave? or a slave at all? what makes a
FreeWoman long to remain free?
somewhat subjective if we are all individuals and not cut from the same cookie
cutter.
mischief~ 20:48:03 CST
Wow m's had NO idea how "womanly" she was ~looking down at her boobs~
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 20:48:05 CST
~*Hustles over and kisses your feet, dark eyes apologetic, before resuming the
tower position*~
Please forgive me, Master. I meant no insult to you. Indeed, I have the greatest
respect for you.
penda{GS} 20:48:16 CST
~*Listens quietly, a little confused about what's being discussed. Suppose
that's what she gets for being late.*~
galah{RA} 20:48:38 CST
i've yet to hear a gorean male speak of the length of his member heheheheheeee
hehehehee and yet in urthen chat, that seems to be the order of discussion, and
they all lie heheheheheheee
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 20:49:17 CST
~*looks down sadly at the small, rounded breasts and sighs*~
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:49:30 CST
dang.. ari's womanliness runneth over.
Jaegers_kath 20:49:52 CST
~looking at all the avatars~ It would appear so, Jarl Rollo, that big boobies
are definitely the majority for slave girls but what is present on the men's
avatars to indicate that intrinsic quantity of un named Gorean Male essence?
~grins~
~mischief~ 20:50:01 CST
it's okay elektra, m's will let you borrow her boobs...so you can feel more
womanly ~impish grin~
jessica_seleskia_MDG_ 20:50:17 CST
she agrees with galah hehehehe
Laroona 20:50:36 CST
Captain Rollo I always considered it is not looks, physique etc that matters,
but the "inner person" that matters more to me *S*
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:50:48 CST
can have some of ari's elektra.
ka'lima_{GS} 20:51:15 CST
~looks over the Master's avs~ darkness
Rollo_the_Ax 20:51:49 CST
The MORE we try to * stereotype* ANY group of people, the farther we get from
the TRUE WAY..... EVERYBODY is NOT equal in their abilities.. but they ARE equal
in their rights to try and USE what abilities they DO have ....
galah{RA} 20:52:01 CST
that mean look....like they gonna tear someones head off? that seems to be the
Masters icons hehehehe
tassa{HoK}~Penny~ 20:52:04 CST
just once, tassa has wanted to take one of her hunky men she has saved, and make
it in to a Masters icon..LOL
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:52:28 CST
warriors. they are all warriors
~mischief~ 20:52:41 CST
or assasins...
galah{RA} 20:53:02 CST
just noticed, they don't need to tear heads off, most of them are holding a
weapon heheheheheheeee
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 20:53:16 CST
Eeeps...I think ele would look wierd with big tatas...she is used to being
uh...small.
galah{RA} 20:53:41 CST
even seen strong sexy Master builders heheheheheee heheheeeee
ka'lima_{GS} 20:53:45 CST
~looks at Master Paedur and Master Torvaks avs~ yes mischief, assasins is a good
word
Torvask 20:53:46 CST
Iam not a Warrior ariel
Jaegers_kath 20:53:58 CST
Aye Jarl Rollo...and if all showed real pictures instead of avatars what a shock
that would be! ~laughing~ but beauty in women and strength in men have nothing
to do with appearances.
~mischief~ 20:54:05 CST
~giggling at elektra~
m's will be happy to offer up some of her thighs and her ass to anyone that has
need of more...*L*
Kyoto 20:54:19 CST
I've never felt the need to in either case, galah... to paraphrase the great
bard... "methinks they doth protest too much"
{Ruilans_ariel} 20:54:20 CST
sure looks like it to ariel Master.. big ole knife in those hands.
ka'lima_{GS} 20:54:26 CST
Master Torvask that is... ka'lima's apologies
Torvask 20:54:38 CST
Nor a Assasin ka'lima
ka'lima_{GS} 20:55:36 CST
ka'lima is certain of that Master Torvask... she was referring to what she sees
in You av... not of what You are
Rollo_the_Ax 20:55:56 CST
My main point in ALL of this is that * Until you are willing and able to accept
YOURSELF for just what you are, you have NO RIGHT to judge or belittle others
for what they seem to have or not have..... * should I get upset that in life,
others have more money ??? better looks ??? better health ??? LOL...LOL...
meaningless CRAP !!!!
Paedur-Slavemaster 20:56:23 CST
Smiles to kalima.
Well considering I don't own any slaves personally, I don't exude, I don't
smell, I don't have a large penis.
Seems perhaps I must be something much less than a Gorean Male.
Or Slavemaster, or Captain, or hell even a Man. S**
Laughing softly. Winks to the girl. *wink*
ka'lima_{GS} 20:56:42 CST
the heart... tis all that matters
Laroona 20:57:43 CST
YAYYY Captain Rollo well said *S*
ka'lima_{GS} 20:58:21 CST
nay Master Paedur... You do represent much ~nods~ and You do "exude" a
strength... ka'lima was commenting today that You exude a combination of
strength and kindness
but then ka'lima hasn't had much of an opportunity to get to know many of her
Masters
mischief~ 20:59:29 CST
Well m's can help with this issue...
if the Master's would just line up, drop britches so we can look at each of
their penis and compare ~nodding with a helpful look~
ka'lima_{GS} 20:59:32 CST
pauses... by kindness ka'lima is referring to Your training
tassa{HoK}~Penny~ 20:59:37 CST
if that were the case Master Rollo, we'd all be upset, all the time, there is
always someone with more money, better looking, nicer cars, etc..than what we
have..but, tassa isn't ashamed of anything she has, or doesn't have, she's
worked hard to be where she's at, and that's that..
Jaegers_kath 21:00:09 CST
and kath would have to offer up that strength does not preclude a Master from
weaknesses either....nor good slaves not always being perfect...all of us should
try our best and not judge...~looks down humbly~
galah{RA} 21:00:10 CST
heheheheheheee heheheheheee ooooooooooohhh mm, you is bad, you is
sooooooooooooooooo bad, but it is a purdy good idea though heheheheheee
nassy{Sg} 21:00:48 CST
ermm tis not the size of the penis the girl thinks but more how the Master uses
it that counts
galah{RA} 21:01:23 CST
that old song comes to mind.....oh Lord its hard to be humble, when your perfect
in every way....
mischief~ 21:01:29 CST
galah ~batting lashes innocently~ what? m's was trying to help!!! ~nodding big,
curls bouncin~
Ruilans_ariel} 21:01:38 CST
*frowns* ari thought that size didn't matter...
Rollo_the_Ax 21:01:56 CST
and what IS a warrior ???? one that enjoys killing ??? that revels in having
other fear them for there ability to kill ??? to kill another human is a small
thing to DOO.... easy as pulling a small trigger, or plunging a knife into a
heart..... how one LIVES with such AFTER and how it changes their LIVES more
often defines what type of person they are........
{Ruilans_ariel} 21:05:03 CST
*agrees with galah and thinks it's time for Master Rollo's birthday spankings to
being anyway*
elektra_{Harkon}*~ 21:05:06 CST
Pardon me, Captain Rollo...but anybody who has fought hand-to-hand will tell you
that for 99% of the combatants, killing is NOT easy. It is very, very difficult
and very scary.
galah{RA} 21:05:26 CST
one more lil question on the subject though, more to the Masters.....it was once
talked about having Master classes, or even having Masters mentor a new
Master....can what a true Master holds within himself be taught?
Kyoto 21:05:59 CST
Rollo, I think there are soldiers and there are warriors.
A soldier is there for the fight, to kill as necessary, to get the job done and
be done with it.
A warrior will do that, but it is more to him. It is the personal struggle to be
better than he was yesterday and to strive tomorrow to be better than he is
today. It's not just the knife or the sword or the gun. It's the inner struggle.
Not all warriors have to be adept with weapons..
jessica_seleskia_MDG_ 21:07:05 CST
so true Master Kyoto
galah{RA} 21:07:06 CST
slaves can be taught to serve, taught positions and all those things she needs
to know, but she can't teach a slave to be a true slave, that must be found
within each girl
~mischief~ 21:07:27 CST
~whispering to galah~ it's not the "true Masters" that NEED the class...~lowers
lashes~
{Ruilans_ariel} 21:07:53 CST
there are different kinds of warriors. ari's momma lost her leg to cancer.. she
is a warrior.
i have battled my body all my life.. i too am a warrior and a survivor.
Kyoto 21:07:56 CST
galah...
"Do not ask the stones or the trees how to live; they cannot tell you; they do
not have tongues; do not ask the wise man how to live, for, if he knows, he will
know he cannot tell you; if you would learn how to live do not ask the question,
its answer is not in the question but in the answer, which is not in words, do
not ask how to live, but instead proceed to do so." (Maurauders of Gor, p.9)
galah{RA} 21:08:49 CST
i know mm, but if a true Master mentors a new Master, can the true Master make a
new Master a true one? i think not, i think a new Master has to have that within
himself to start with **shrugs**
penda{GS} 21:08:50 CST
Aye Master Kyoto...penda agrees. There IS a distinct difference. penda has
noticed in Warriors they take their responsibilities very, very personally...
Orion 21:09:05 CST
Rollo, being a WARRIOR encompusas a great deal more then that.. To be a WARRIOR
at times calls for one to not only protect himself or his homeland, homestone,
or any other ideal he has sworn to defend. It can at times call for a Man to
defend those that are less fortunant or weaker then he is, to see to the
protection of those that may not be able to defend themselves.. That is why a
great MANY men can be considered WARRIORS.. For does not the Doctor pledge to
protect lives in his choosen field, and so does a the men that serve in our
Ploice and Fire Departments.. Being a WARRION is more then just killing and
lasting waste to another person or land, it at times is the protecting of these
same things..
Rollo_the_Ax 21:09:26 CST
Lets except the fact that we ALL are HERE, as part of what we would * LIKE * to
be rather than exactly what we are in RT...... I mean, if ever guy here looked
like Fabeo or whatever his name is....and every woman looked like Pam
Anderson... we would ALL be out there in RT screwing our brains out ....... but
here, even an old cripple can once again be the strong young man he once
was...more perhaps he can be young, strong, and WISER than then.... and try to
repay or replace some of the karma that he lost or abused ....... we each have
our OWN story... and reasons for being here.......
{Ruilans_ariel} 21:09:27 CST
don't you think that part of what we do in chat is mentor each other galah?
Master/Master, slave/Free, slave/slave
Laroona 21:09:33 CST
galah you nick my soapbox LOL
I would love nothing better than say the Forum room be used the same night as
slave class... as a general learning of even basics ... as I find more and more
Free know so little about even the basic serve *S*
galah{RA} 21:10:40 CST
thank you Master Kyoto, what a wonderful quote!!!! that says it all....but does
that mean there is no hope for a new Master that does not possess that strength
and confidnece within himself?
~*elektra_{Harkon}*~ 21:11:36 CST
Well said, Master Orion! ~*smiles*~
galah{RA} 21:12:39 CST
that would be a wonderful idea Mistress Laroona, for there usually no slaves
around to serve then anyway, a gorean discussion aimed at and for the free would
be great!!!
Laroona 21:14:50 CST
I think it is an under-ultisation of the room,,, as slaves are learning why not
Free ... but then I have been saying that for years LOL
Jaegers_kath 21:15:42 CST
Thank You, Master Orion, for inspiring words
Kyoto 21:15:43 CST
galah, in an ideal on line world, a man who is interested in Gor should come in
and just watch for a time. Don't do anything stupid. Just ask questions and
watch for a time.
Don't even declare a caste, just see what parts of this speaks to him. Find
someone who seems to be in the mold they wish to follow, speak to them.
Just take the time to learn.
It's like making wine, if you rush it, you get vinegar and no one would enjoy
it. But if given the proper time to age, a fine wine will emerge.
~mischief~ 21:16:29 CST
~hearing Master Ri, lowering her head, knowing how far from perfect the world is
in that respect~
Rollo_the_Ax 21:16:37 CST
LOL..LOL.. yes, Orion..... I have seen such first hand... the difference between
one that is drafted as opposed to one that enlists of their own free
will.....but even that does not always hold true..... As with ALL THINGS.....
each person must do and become what is right for themselves.... and if others
can't accept that, then it is they that are at fault........
galah{RA} 21:17:17 CST
thank you again Master Kyoto, for taking the time to answer my
questions....**sincere smile**
Laroona 21:19:08 CST
the old adage again
You can lead a horse to water but cannot force him to drink
but you can salt the hay to make him thirst
hope I got that right LOL
Xertog 21:20:10 CST
Kyoto I did do that about 5 ago. And some guy named Shadowglade helped me out in
PMs as well as GS slave named go~anna ..'
Orion 21:20:26 CST
I agree Rollo, I just feel that we need to remember that WARRIORS can be found
everywhere.. I mean, my wife is in the hospital and has been for 3 months now to
ensure that our son is born in 3 weeks.. Is she a WARRIOR, DAMN straight she is
ole friend for she is fighting for ANOTHER and seeing that he has a chance to
live and find HIS path in life.. I just want us to remember that the term
WARRIOR can be used to describe a LOT of people..
mischief~ 21:21:12 CST
Now look at Ya, Captain Xertog ~impish grin~
Xertog 21:22:41 CST
They were bad influences ..LOL
Laroona 21:23:20 CST
that go~anna was perfect *BOL*
mischief~ 21:23:24 CST
~giggles at Master Xertog~ well OBVIOUSLY ~smiling to You~
Rollo_the_Ax 21:23:30 CST
LOL...LOL.... Laroona, galah..... you both forget the ONE thing that dooms such
from the very start........ EGO.... slaves are not allowed to have one, or much
of one anyway.....but FREE persons are often so full of it...( Ego that is, I
would never say that they were * full of IT * ..LOL..LOL..knowing what *it *
would mean to most.....LOL..LOL.. ) a slave is willing to learn.... most Free
see no need to it..after all, they are FREE persons, they need not do anything
except BE what they are.....shaking My bald head... an age old problem, that
most likely will NEVER be resolved.....
mischief~ 21:23:53 CST
Looking at Mistress Laroona...just as perfect as mischief is ~nodding with Her~
Laroona 21:24:04 CST
Orion that can be said to may people in RT
in Gor we are all well and have no ills
mischief~ 21:25:03 CST
~hearing Master Rollo~
Problem with that Master, is that girl's get hurt in the middle...mentally and
emotionally... and although we are just slaves...somehow that just can't be okay
with everyone...
Laroona 21:25:51 CST
Captain Rollo that is indeed the main problem *S*
Kyoto 21:28:07 CST
((Back from an rti))
Winking at Laroona before I respond to Xertog.
go-anna? Are you kidding? You listened to her?
Rollo_the_Ax 21:29:30 CST
Well folks..... we have been at it for quite some time here..and the old clock
on the wall tells me it is time to call it a night..... LOL.. Mickeys big hand
is on the...oh, never mind.......LOL...LOL... Thanks to all for coming and
taking part in this weeks forum.....