Raziel...and a pain called ~sorcha~... 19:27:04 pm CDT
Well its been awhile since Ive been to a meeting so when do they usually take place....
nasreen{TH}t 19:28:20 pm CDT
greetings Master Dak...
Master Raziel well the start time is 7 gs time...usually between 7:30 and 8 she thinks they get started...
Dak 19:44:10 pm CDT
well , I guess I'm elected to moderate the forum, so I'll now call it to order, Forum rules apply, keep greetings and chit chat to Pm's, please, to make it easier for the scribe,
does anyone of a topic , if pm it to Me , please
Dak 19:47:52 pm CDT
a topic anyone ?
Dak 19:53:45 pm CDT
ok, here's one, *smiles*
do Masters ever deem themselves worthy to be masters of their slaves?...aside from the issues of Gor..
Raziel...and a pain called ~sorcha~... 19:55:19 pm CDT
~smirks~....Who is this question for Dak....
pretty lace dress 19:56:03 pm CDT
is confused already. isn't a slave's Master THEIR Master?
Dak 19:57:57 pm CDT
well, I would guess it could be for Masters and slaves alike, *smiles*, whether aMaster really fill qualified, and whether the slaves can tell the difference in the ones that do, and the ones that don't, *smiles*
Wylddrgn 19:58:25 pm CDT
never doubted my worthiness, and i have been in the lifestyle rl for many years
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure 19:58:57 pm CDT
girl cannot answer for Masters, but she has never seen signs of doubt of Their mastery from any she knows, certainly not her Master...
pretty lace dress 19:58:58 pm CDT
tilts head and shows her confusion still......she thought it was a given......
~zoya~ 19:59:05 pm CDT
They better or They can't master a true slave
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure 20:00:18 pm CDT
she may have met some that she has doubted though...occasional Visitor
sapphira{HoD} 20:00:19 pm CDT
but what makes a true slave
Wylddrgn 20:00:35 pm CDT
you can never master anyone till you can control yourself
natira{GS} 20:01:09 pm CDT
agreed zoya. One would not be able to handle a true slave if he doubted himself as a Master. she would run all over him
nasreen{TH}t 20:01:13 pm CDT
she has never seen a sign of weakness in her Master or any of the Masters in GS
~zoya~ 20:02:06 pm CDT
one who is not playing the part sapphira
Raziel...and a pain called ~sorcha~... 20:02:49 pm CDT
A Master is not something I feel You can just decide You want to be and do it because Youve read a few books....A Masters confidence and strength should seep from His every being and a girl should feel and sense it by His mere presence
~zoya~ 20:02:49 pm CDT
exactly, natira
Wylddrgn 20:03:49 pm CDT
exactly Raziel the alpha is born not learned in a book
natira{GS} 20:04:15 pm CDT
smiles and listens
sapphira{HoD} 20:04:34 pm CDT
nods softly
nasreen{TH}t 20:04:38 pm CDT
and slave can't just play the slave...she either is or she isn't...
natira{GS} 20:04:48 pm CDT
~grins at Master Wylddrgn~
Dak 20:04:57 pm CDT
A Master must be Master of Himself , before He can Master anyone else !
Wylddrgn 20:05:28 pm CDT
too many read the books and thinks it qualifies them to own slaves. ITs the attitude and how you carry yourself that makes you who you are
natira{GS} 20:06:05 pm CDT
exactly nassy and zoya lol missed that post ~flushes
sapphira{HoD} 20:07:59 pm CDT
one thinks slaves are strong but they as most strong people will know when to bend to a stronger person
slavegirl 20:08:23 pm CDT
~smiles to sapphira...liking her answer
sapphira{HoD} 20:08:50 pm CDT
no one wants a weak mind or weak
nasreen{TH}t 20:09:11 pm CDT
and a true slave is set by her Master...without a good...strong Master then one might not be the beauty she can truly be
natira{GS} 20:09:53 pm CDT
a slave is definitely not a door mat at least not in natira's mind
sapphira{HoD} 20:10:21 pm CDT
no one wants a weak minded or weak bodied slave or Master they both have to have some form of streath within them self and see it in each other for the D/s relationship to work
natira{GS} 20:10:27 pm CDT
true nas
Wylddrgn 20:10:39 pm CDT
a slave is molded and shaped by her master
Dak 20:11:12 pm CDT
a slave is whatever Master decides she is !
nasreen{TH}t 20:11:35 pm CDT
true sapphira...
grinning at Master Wylddrgn as He states in move simple words what she said..
slavegirl 20:11:47 pm CDT
~she listens intently
natira{GS} 20:12:01 pm CDT
a slave can be a slave without a Master BUT without the guidance of a good Master the slave is lost without a path
Raziel...and a pain called ~sorcha~... 20:12:05 pm CDT
A slave is as strong and as confident as their Master is....that empowerment should show through their slave
sapphira{HoD} 20:12:11 pm CDT
but like molding clay she is tough and must be worked out and kneed
~zoya~ 20:12:19 pm CDT
how true, nasreen
Dak 20:12:21 pm CDT
but in Gor , all Masters are a slaves Master at some point
Wylddrgn 20:12:36 pm CDT
lol its the masters job to simplfy
Wylddrgn 20:13:34 pm CDT
its the masters job to awaken the slaves heart and bind her soul to him, completing each other
but all the player Masters dont last long
slavegirl 20:14:21 pm CDT
but in order to get there ...by observing her Master?
natira{GS} 20:14:22 pm CDT
smiles
sapphira{HoD} 20:14:36 pm CDT
one must become a good slave in training to find a good Master to point her in the right direction jumping into Gor with out training might find yourself lost and good to a real site and have no idea
Dak 20:14:42 pm CDT
a slave is bound to their slavery, and is slave to the whip !
Thadron 20:15:36 pm CDT
steps in quietly
natira{GS} 20:16:01 pm CDT
yep sapphira
slavegirl 20:16:09 pm CDT
~smiles to sapphira...nodding...
that makes sense...very good sense, thank you
nasreen{TH}t 20:17:31 pm CDT
this one agrees sapphira..
natira{GS} 20:17:37 pm CDT
girl does not quite agree Master Dak. a slave isn't bound by her slavery. that is what makes her what she is. she is bound to her owner and her submission to him.
sapphira{HoD} 20:17:44 pm CDT
it happened to this one but a long time agao
Dak 20:19:23 pm CDT
in your opinion , if a slave is without owner she is no longer bound, natira ?
sapphira{HoD} 20:19:23 pm CDT
and this choose to be bound the binds did not choose her
while they did but she choose to be as she is and not what she was
she is bound to slavery be a slave is not all of what she is she is more that that is is beauty in slavery that what a true slave is
Dak 20:21:09 pm CDT
in Gor, whether her Owner is available, she is subject to any Master, natira
natira{GS} 20:22:05 pm CDT
in what way do you mean bound? she is still a slave with no Master, at least in girls opinion. she just wanders on a path without a Master sorta lost because she doesn't have the guiding hand of a Master and Owner to help her along. does that mean she is not a slave or does not submit? no. that just means she has no guidance until guidance is given
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure 20:22:41 pm CDT
this one in the beginning belonged to no one at all...no collar...but she was still a slave...knew it in her heart, and in her belly
natira{GS} 20:23:37 pm CDT
yes she knows that but that doesn't mean she is bound to each and every Master...yes she is subject to obedience and punishment with every Master but girl when owned doesn't feel bound to every one...just the one who owns her very being. there is a difference
natira{GS} 20:23:58 pm CDT
yep snowrose, girl too
nasreen{TH}t 20:25:12 pm CDT
this one started her journey into the world of slavery over in the Dungeon...exploring...thought she could be a Domme....learned quickly that she is submissive...but that wasn't enough Master Errand Knight knew that...He let her stumble along then took her as His and taught her...
sapphira{HoD} 20:25:20 pm CDT
it something your soul feels as well as your entire being you quiver near a strong person
that what a slave is not a collar around your neck that just shows you are a owned slave one has seen owned slave that where not slave at all well not true slaves
nasreen{TH}t 20:26:35 pm CDT
this one agrees with natira...
she has to bring pleasure, obey and be subject to every Master's desire....
but her Master own's her soul, and she is bound to Him...
slavegirl 20:26:37 pm CDT
this one supposes that only the Master decides who is a true slave or not... for He is the only One who reaches into the depths of her finds her... and then pulls her out..
Dak 20:27:02 pm CDT
it is said in Gor, that a slave is bound to her slavery from with in not from without
~zoya~ 20:27:25 pm CDT
what of zoya, Master Dak? no Master, no Owner
Thadron 20:27:49 pm CDT
~smiles at all the responses~ it is lovely to hear each slave express what slavery is to them... it's all a journey learning what the depths of your heart is really craving for...
Dak 20:28:16 pm CDT
she is bound from within, even tho she has no owner !
natira{GS} 20:28:57 pm CDT
girl is not bound by her slavery...she was born with it...it is as natural as breathing to her
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure 20:29:24 pm CDT
yes Master Dak...that is what a girl meant...
natira{GS} 20:30:42 pm CDT
she supposes it could be considered bound but she doesnt feel bound by her slavery she feels one with it
Thadron 20:30:48 pm CDT
Dak, I think these sluts understand their slavery very well from what I have read so far
sapphira{HoD} 20:31:03 pm CDT
to serve other is not a right tho it is earned only a few get the privilege
~zoya~ 20:31:04 pm CDT
having been a slave of Gor for so many years, its been this one real life experience that when she's Masterless its harder to be the best slave she wants to be
Thadron 20:31:43 pm CDT
I think that is something for you to dwell on and think about natira...
natira{GS} 20:31:49 pm CDT
~smiles to Master Thadron
~amina{Tiberias}~Masters kitten ~Gor kajira~ 20:32:01 pm CDT
a girl feels her slave heart and listens to it it drives her to Gor... then if it be her own Master or the Mastery of many it feeds that fire with in her... and seeing that fire within her grow it them makes a Master she how he also growing for without his guidance her heart could not burn... this girl has a wonderful Master that has cultivated the fire with in her and ignited an inferno but the Masters she also serves keeps that inferno fueled. it is when a girl starts doubting her worth and slavery that the heart 'fire starts to burn down and with out the support of her Master or other Masters to help her along the fire that was once there is soon just smoldering and sometimes tragically it burns its way out. but just as a fire needs air there can be a Master that reignites that fire and helps her find her fire again.
nasreen{TH}t 20:32:19 pm CDT
this one is at one with her slavery also...she does not feel bound by it...it's what and who she is ....
slavegirl 20:33:00 pm CDT
~smiles to amina..nodding
Raziel...and a pain called ~sorcha~... 20:33:08 pm CDT
~chuckles~....Hmmmm aye....these beasts understand that craving Thadron described and as long as along their journey that they do find it then thats what it means to them
natira{GS} 20:33:24 pm CDT
nods nods... its so much a part of girl that she cant imagine not having it in her nassy
sapphira{HoD} 20:33:46 pm CDT
a good slave has a light that shines when she is at one with her path in life
smiles softly to amina's words
Dak 20:34:06 pm CDT
ok, seems we have well covered that, here is a different question on same line ,
how does a Master gain loyalty and commitment from His slave? without beating it into her
nasreen{TH}t 20:34:57 pm CDT
listens
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure 20:35:09 pm CDT
girl does feel bound by it...she knows if she found herself collarless and alone, hurt and angry, still she would come crawling back, begging to serve...that is a bond within her..
~zoya~ 20:35:51 pm CDT
zoya will brb, can't keep up from the cell, going to pc....
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure 20:37:30 pm CDT
He can't beat it into her...He can only beat obedience into her...don't hate a girl, but the truth is He must earn her loyalty
sapphira{HoD} 20:37:33 pm CDT
one thinks loyalty is something that is earned on both side but be a slave to someone and following until the ends of Gor is one in the same so if they feel the need to bend to their knees to you loyalty is something that You may already have from them but they may still have to earn Yours as a Master
slavegirl 20:38:57 pm CDT
~smiles to sapphira again...nodding slowly...taking her words seriously
Thadron 20:39:05 pm CDT
~chuckles~ the whip is only a reminder to a girl of who she is...
there are many ways a Master gains loyalty and commitment
the first thing is to accept the responsibility that you have as a Master of a slave or slaves...
Thadron 20:39:23 pm CDT
hurry back, zoya
natira{GS} 20:40:16 pm CDT
girl completely agrees snowrose, loyalty can only be earned through time as with complete trust. obedience is the only thing that can be taught through discipline
sapphira{HoD} 20:40:24 pm CDT
but that get back to a true slave master if she needs to be whipped to know her place she is not a true slave to begin with is she?
sapphira{HoD} 20:41:49 pm CDT
every slave in this room knows her place collar or not whipping or not we know her path we love or path and would not trade it in for anything
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure 20:42:14 pm CDT
of course she is sapphira...she is human, with human frailties...she will make mistakes, have slight rebellions even...she is not a robot
~zoya~ 20:42:23 pm CDT
not true, sapphira. a true slave is not a perfect slave.
nasreen{TH}t 20:42:30 pm CDT
nodding aye her loyalty is earned ...by His actions...not by beating her...
her following the rules of His house can be gotten by beating...but there are much worse things then the whip...
natira{GS} 20:42:47 pm CDT
its not to know her place but to remind her..even the truest of slaves need reminding from time to time. its natural
Dak 20:43:15 pm CDT
I've seen few cases in the books, and oniline where the slaves felt comfortable being disloyal to their owner, in the books,, the penalty for that would be death !
sapphira{HoD} 20:43:28 pm CDT
true natira
natira{GS} 20:43:37 pm CDT
oh very true nassy...much much worse
Thadron 20:44:51 pm CDT
sapphira, if I were constantly taking a girl to the whipping post, it would not be a good sign I agree
but if I saw in her a slave's heart I would put the work in to draw it out no matter what it took
natira{GS} 20:45:20 pm CDT
if girl were so bound to a Master so deeply in tuned to Him and she disobeyed him, she thinks honestly she would prefer death than being sold ~nods~ call her weak but its the truth
slavegirl 20:45:26 pm CDT
one can not just jump into a M/s relationship with loyalty right off the bat....that takes time... trust takes time grow... perhaps with some they can...but one would think that a Master would nurture that in a slave...
sapphira{HoD} 20:45:31 pm CDT
disloyalty is something one feels is wrong she would not do that is something to life with forever could not bare it
Raziel...and a pain called ~sorcha~... 20:46:09 pm CDT
Nicely said Thadron...I couldnt agree more
sapphira{HoD} 20:46:41 pm CDT
yes Master Thardon the whipping post is for lesson it should not be a constant lesson
Thadron 20:47:16 pm CDT
what I have found to be true between Master and slave is that the process of gaining loyalty is a give and take... I am taught as much from My slave as she learns from Me... now none of you tell her I said that, but it's true
natira{GS} 20:47:34 pm CDT
nods nods~ a girl would have no skin left if she were constantly taken to the whipping post
~amina{Tiberias}~Masters kitten ~Gor kajira~ 20:47:37 pm CDT
a girls heart breats faster by an angry Master for her being found displeasing and to this one the angry words of her Master saying he is displeased hurts her worse cuts her to the core deeper than any whip could be brought down upon her.the whip is only the incentive that adds to his words to remind her how displeased he is with her that her acrions made him decide to take up a whip to slice across her flesh.
sapphira{HoD} 20:48:39 pm CDT
at her beginning she was whipped a lot bu
natira{GS} 20:48:42 pm CDT
but that is the way of things Master Thadron, girl has seen it many times over, a Master learns much from his slave just as the slave learns much from her Master. it is a circle constantly going round and round. one never stops learning from the other
sapphira{HoD} 20:48:48 pm CDT
but not constantly
nasreen{TH}t 20:48:50 pm CDT
smiling as she hears her Master's words....
shhhh don't tell Him she heard that...
Master has taught her so much, maybe not so much taught as drawn out even more of her ...
sapphira{HoD} 20:50:29 pm CDT
giggles
natira{GS} 20:52:48 pm CDT
lol it got quiet
nasreen{TH}t 20:53:25 pm CDT
aye it did natira..
natira{GS} 20:54:00 pm CDT
hehe ok just making sure it wasn't just this girl imagining it
Thadron 20:54:07 pm CDT
I'm having trouble keeping up... but well said, Dak, disloyalty is not tolerated.. for very long at least.... but the challenge of gaining the submission of a rebellious slave has it's sweet rewards...
zoya, I agree, there is no such thing as a perfect slave
sapphira{HoD} 20:54:09 pm CDT
nods
natira{GS} 20:55:37 pm CDT
and if there were Master Thadron they would be pretty darn boring ~grins~
sapphira{HoD} 20:55:41 pm CDT
shakes head missed all that
Dak 20:56:37 pm CDT
it seems the subject has been pretty well covered , we have a little time left does anyone have any other topics to discuss ?
Thadron 20:56:43 pm CDT
~winks at natira~ very boring
slavegirl 20:56:43 pm CDT
~nods..
so did this one..she missed some posts...they were eaten
natira{GS} 20:57:38 pm CDT
~giggles and grins~ girl would not enjoy being perfect at all. she enjoys her quirks and know certain Masters enjoy them hehe
Dak 20:58:16 pm CDT
*smiles*, I've never found perfection in a slave boring, *smiles , quite the opposite, it is quite enjoyable, *smiles*
nasreen{TH}t 20:58:31 pm CDT
this girl is far from perfect...and Master she thinks likes it that way..
slavegirl 20:59:02 pm CDT
how can a girl be perfect...she can strive to be...but never will that be attainable...
sapphira{HoD} 20:59:08 pm CDT
so is this
~zoya~ 20:59:26 pm CDT
maybe moments of perfection, Master Dak, hehehe
natira{GS} 20:59:27 pm CDT
how can perfection be enjoyable all the time though? it is the same thing over and over again. nothing to grow from nothing to learn..eh too boring for this slut
sapphira{HoD} 20:59:28 pm CDT
this one she is not prefect she strives to be tho
Dak 21:00:12 pm CDT
well, perfect and perfection be 2 different things, and can be in the eye of the beholder, *smiles*
~amina{Tiberias}~Masters kitten ~Gor kajira~ 21:00:26 pm CDT
is there such a thing as a perfect slave? this one knows she is very far from being perfect. but she tries to the best of her ability to be pleasing.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure 21:00:39 pm CDT
yes, it's an unattainable goal, but the journey is interesting
natira{GS} 21:00:52 pm CDT
girl moves towards perfection, ever working for it, ever learning. she knows she will never be complete perfection with no flaws but again...she believes that would be boring
slavegirl 21:00:57 pm CDT
~smiles to snowrose..nodding
agreed
Thadron 21:02:22 pm CDT
Dak, it is in the eye of the beholder... ~nods~
I use the word pleasing with nasreen... ~tugs a curl on the girls cheek to look into her twinkling eyes~
sapphira{HoD} 21:02:31 pm CDT
grins softly
nasreen{TH}t 21:02:41 pm CDT
this one tries to be pleasing all the time....but perfect...something she might achieve once in awhile...but not something she is...and it is fun trying to reach it..
Thadron 21:03:20 pm CDT
smiles at Mine~ there, now we have said the same thing
nasreen{TH}t 21:03:35 pm CDT
smiles up at her Master...
natira{GS} 21:05:58 pm CDT
Master Wylddrgn asked girl to let yall know he had a rti and will try to get back
Thadron 21:06:10 pm CDT
thank you natira
nasreen{TH}t 21:06:27 pm CDT
thank you natira...
Dak 21:06:49 pm CDT
well, if there is nothing else, I will call the Forum to a close, *smiles*
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure 21:07:30 pm CDT
Thank You for leading this very interesting forum Master Dak
~amina{Tiberias}~Masters kitten ~Gor kajira~ 21:07:41 pm CDT
may this girl kennel to her Masters holdings?
sapphira{HoD} 21:07:56 pm CDT
nods
that it was Master Dak
Thadron 21:08:23 pm CDT
thank you for moderating Dak
and you for scribing snowrose
the discussions were revealing from what I was able to listen to ... thanks everyone
Raziel...and a pain called ~sorcha~... 21:08:28 pm CDT
~nods~...A nice forum tonight
nasreen{TH}t 21:08:29 pm CDT
thank You for leading Master Dak and you for scribing snowrose..
Thadron 21:08:42 pm CDT
aye amina, you may kennel
be well
Dak 21:08:57 pm CDT
aye, I just lead it, it was the people here and getting involved that made it good, *smiles*, I thank all for being here, *smiles* and making it interesting
natira{GS} 21:09:03 pm CDT
she was glad to have made it tonight ~grins~ and bring someone hehe
Thadron 21:10:39 pm CDT
well done natira ~smiles~ He is a good addition to GS I hope He finds it a place to linger
natira{GS} 21:11:22 pm CDT
she is doing her best to convince him Master Thadron girl has known him for quite a long time ~smiles~ He is a good man