Present:
Ramses
Dak
ShadowHawk
Jondalar
Kazar
Lita
jessenia
marieve
snowrose
shimmer
hulya
karinda
lilith
flicka
Dak 19:50:57 pm CDT
ok, I have a topic, I will open the Forum, same rules as usual, keep chit chat and greetings to whispers,
here's the first topic :
In the books, many women were brought to Gor via the Priest Kings. Not many men have been brought in same way or rarely mentioned, other than Tarl and his Dad. How does GS feel about men being brought from earth in their role play????
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:52:45 pm CDT
hmmmm, I think we discussed a variant of this topic a few weeks ago
we have had male slaves here in the past
Dak 19:55:18 pm CDT
when I Came to Gor, I roleplayed being brought to Gor as a bulder, that was brought here to design and build holdings for a Captain
marieve{GS} 19:56:00 pm CDT
we have a male slave presently taking slave classes, Master Ramses
ShadowHawk 19:56:22 pm CDT
I think it takes some doing and especially for role play purposes, is a better way to go about, "learning of Gor"... I myself played and still do the role at being brought here from earth.. while learning about it these past 12 years..
Lita, Physician 19:56:26 pm CDT
Ramses, with the exception of Tarl, the male slaves I have read about were Goreans. Ubar Luther says:
Earthmen on Gor are very rare. There are only a handful of men on Gor who have been brought from Earth within the last few hundred years. Second, people brought from Earth will rarely, if ever, possess any Earth items brought from Earth during one of these voyages. Almost everyone arrives only in the clothes on their backs. Earth weapons are not brought to Gor during these voyages.
ShadowHawk 19:57:50 pm CDT
aye.. agreeing with Ramses and Lita.. but the question is.. how does GS feel about it.. what are you, each of you, perspective on the matter.. no quotes no books giving example.. what does Gorean Shores feel about it?
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:58:32 pm CDT
SO then going back to the queston at ahnd:
"how does GS feel about it?"
I;d say then its not an issue... slave or Free
and can create the opportunity for good RP
shimmer{GS} 19:59:34 pm CDT
personally as a barbarian girl girl likes the idea that a Master came from earth he would understand her fears and know the emotions she is going through as she comes to accept her new life.
ShadowHawk 19:59:42 pm CDT
Does and I only ask this since two have brought it up.. are only male slaves that are brought from earth? If I recall rightly, Tarl is nor ever was a slave and his father was Ubar of his home, I forget name of it at the moment.
Lita, Physician 20:00:21 pm CDT
Well why would they need to bring earthmen to Gor? The Men of Gor c can do anything that's needed, and bringing earth men only increases the chances of importing technology that is forbidden by the Priest Kings.
marieve{GS} 20:00:40 pm CDT
girl thinks that male slave gives the kajirae a unique opportunity to see things from a male perspective since we are all curious but curiosity is unbecoming in a kajira
Dak 20:00:45 pm CDT
Tarl was a slave several times in the books
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:00:56 pm CDT
there have been male slaves before in GS...she never heard of their origins, but it wouldn't matter to her...she accepts them as they are part of the chain
Lita, Physician 20:01:43 pm CDT
But Tarl WAS a slave at one point. And I never read anything that indicated even one male slave was broght from earth.
shimmer{GS} 20:02:16 pm CDT
think it would be a fun r/p for a Master to arrive from earth... meet a mentor and have him learn the gorean way after seeing how much earth is different than Gor... Just like Tarl did.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:02:42 pm CDT
Mistress Lita, maybe that would be why they would bring men from Earth, in order to have some technology forbidden by the PK insects. Albeit illegally. This girl for one would love to have a dishwasher on The Aquilla, hmm electricity wouldn't go amiss either. ~giggling~
Dak 20:02:58 pm CDT
what about Jason ?
ShadowHawk 20:03:18 pm CDT
yes he was enslaved many times, but not brought to Gor as one...
Dak 20:03:38 pm CDT
book 14 Fighting Slave
Lita, Physician 20:05:43 pm CDT
The first time was when He was a slave of the Rencers, before He became Bosk of Port Kar.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:05:57 pm CDT
Like shimmer, flicka thinks it would be interesting for a Master to role play being from Earth and learning the Gorean ways from native born Gorean Men and Women and slaves.
Dak 20:06:57 pm CDT
I did that, 12 years ago, when I came to Gor
Lita, Physician 20:07:31 pm CDT
Thing is, flicka, Gor didn't have technology because any time the Priest Kings found any instances of violations of their prohibitions against it, They Blue-Flamed the parties involved.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:07:52 pm CDT
wasn't He a slave before that Mistress ... the city with a Tatrix? in the mines
Dak 20:08:37 pm CDT
aye, that is true, snow
Lita, Physician 20:08:58 pm CDT
Yes, snow, I just thought those came AFTER the Rencers.
Dak 20:09:30 pm CDT
no, that was in book 2
ShadowHawk 20:09:40 pm CDT
Aye, he was a slave before that snow
Lita, Physician 20:10:00 pm CDT
O.K. Hard to keep the order straight.
Dak 20:10:33 pm CDT
he was enslaved and served as a rowing slave in the Book of Raiders also
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:10:35 pm CDT
*chuckles* yes it is Lita
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:10:50 pm CDT
~chuckling~ yes Mistress but as flicka said it would be illicit, and fun to evade their blue flaming. Kind of like an underground fifth column, bringing enlightenment to the poor technologically deprived Goreans. ~tongue firmly in flicka's cheek~
Lita, Physician 20:12:08 pm CDT
Thing is, flicka, We don't do enough role-playing around here that IS by the books, let alone bringing stuff in that isn't Book.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:12:36 pm CDT
~laughs~ yes Mistress...mostly one big blur to her
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:13:35 pm CDT
Hmmm maybe because it is hard for people to think up something new Mistress.
Dak 20:16:30 pm CDT
well, is there anymore to say on this topic, if not , I have another one
ShadowHawk 20:16:33 pm CDT
I disagree Lita, when I frequented GS, it was known I were from earth but brought here and left among the Wagon People before left for dead.. where I wandered around til I eventually found GS... when I left here I wandered more then found my place among the Alars... they have since been ransacked(sp) by the kurii
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:17:21 pm CDT
go for it Dak
ShadowHawk 20:18:28 pm CDT
aye, go for it Dak.. next topic...
Dak 20:19:05 pm CDT
ok, next topic
""It was a truly brave and noble beast. Those who scorn the sleen I think do not know him. Kurii respect the sleen, and that says much for the sleen, for its courage, its ferocity and indomitable tenacity."
---Beasts of Gor, pg.13"
Questions; what is known of sleen.
ShadowHawk 20:19:55 pm CDT
They were great watch and hound dogs, used every day by the Wagon People....
Dak 20:20:15 pm CDT
they were 6 legged
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:20:53 pm CDT
~mutters~ vicious in tooth and claw.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:20:53 pm CDT
that they like to make a tasty snack of wayward slavegirls
ShadowHawk 20:21:41 pm CDT
Prairie sleen are smaller than forest sleen, usually only seven feet in length. They are domesticated as herd sleen and used as shepherds and sentries by the Wagon People.
Dak 20:22:20 pm CDT
I believe they also had a double row of teeth, and were capable of continuing a trail even after a rain !
ShadowHawk 20:22:26 pm CDT
Oh shoot snow, don't hold that against them.. I myself like to make a tasty snack of a wayward slavegirl!!! *sly grin*
shimmer{GS} 20:22:43 pm CDT
huge six legged beasts with fangs... the were used for tracking slaves and herding the bosk... they would run slaves into cages during raids..i believe there are 4 types of sleen some bigger some smaller types thinks the prairie sleen is the smallest type.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:22:46 pm CDT
They come in different sizes, from enormous ones to miniature ones that can be kept as pets.
ShadowHawk 20:22:59 pm CDT
There are several varieties of this six-legged, long bodied carnivorous mammal. It is almost like a snake. Some can get as big as twenty feet long and up to twelve to fourteen hundred pounds. They have two rows of teeth in a wide and triangular head. Their paws have six claws. They smell like a weasel or ferret but only stronger. Sleens are very dirty animals. It is an efficient, tireless, almost infallible hunter. It is capable of pursuing a scent, days old, for hundreds of pasangs. Sleens in the wild are burrowing and nocturnal. They do not climb. Their preferred prey is the tabuk.
Lita, Physician 20:23:13 pm CDT
Luther describes them:
Sleen are often referred to or described as furred snakes or lizards. But, despite their resemblance in some ways to these reptiles, sleen are biologically mammals, as they give live birth and suckle their young. Sleen have long, sinuous bodies that are also rather bulky. It might be difficult to encircle their body with your arms. Its thick fur is often seen as a glossy, oily fur. Sleen possess six short legs, though each leg may be as much as six inches thick. Each of those legs ends with a six-clawed paw, those claws being retractable. The front two claws are the most powerful, and are used for burrowing.
Their broad heads, sometimes as much as two feet wide, are triangular shaped, narrowing down to a pointed, whiskered snout. Some might say the head is almost viper-like in appearance. Its large eyes are widely set on its head, and they possess the ability of the feline to see well in low light situations. Its ears can lie back against the side of its head like many other predators. Its mouth commonly possesses two rows of fangs and a dark tongue. There is no evidence that their tongue is forked like a snake or lizard. Sleen commonly possess an unpleasant musky scent, like a weasel or ferret, but it is much stronger. Its urine also has an unusually potent odor. In the wild, sleen generally use their urine and feces to mark their territory.
Sleen are generally nocturnal creatures, preferring to hunt at night. They are carnivores and their favorite prey are tabuk, though they enjoy tarsks as well. But, they are also far less fastidious in their eating than almost any other Gorean animal, including the tarsk. So they will eat nearly anything and can be trained to hunt almost anything. Sleen are burrowing creatures, often sleeping underground during the day, emerging to hunt at night. Their front claws, which they use for burrowing, are capable of tearing through heavy doors. Sleen seldom engage in climbing though due to their extreme agility, a sleen can easily leap over a thirty-foot wall.
Despite their short legs, they can move quite fast when they so desire, and in a short distance can even out run many fast game animals. When they move, they commonly undulate like a snake or lizard, their head swaying back and forth as they often test the wind. This type of unusual movement contributes to the belief that sleen resemble reptiles. Sleen can also snarl, growl and hiss, the latter also contributing to its apparent resemblance to a reptile. Just remember that this resemblance is more superficial than actual.
Sleen are deadly predators, willing to attack almost any creature. In their attack frenzy, they are one of the most lethal creatures on Gor. They generally fear nothing. They are very territorial, often attacking anyone or anything intruding onto what they perceive as their land. In the wild, the critical attacking distance for a sleen is about twenty feet. But, in domesticated sleen, like a herd sleen, such a distance is much smaller. Sleen are not easily killed either, and it can sometimes take as many as ten spears to slay one, especially the larger varieties. Even Kur respect the power of the sleen. Some Kurii are capable of killing a sleen bare-handed and there is even one example of a Kur killing three sleen bare-handedly.
"Where sleen are concerned, there is always danger."
---Witness of Gor, pg.598
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:23:26 pm CDT
good to know Master ShadowHawk
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:23:50 pm CDT
.."Don't you really think so? What self-respecting rapist or slaver would be abroad at this hour? What would he expect to find? A miniature domestic sleen among the garbage cans?..."
---Mercenaries of Gor, 26:407
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:23:57 pm CDT
*chuckles*
hulya{GS} 20:24:45 pm CDT
Different variants, colors and ways they hunt
Lita, Physician 20:25:20 pm CDT
Miniature sleen: This variety is very small, about the size of a domestic Earth cat. They are sinuously graceful with a silken pelt. They appear to be relatively innocuous creatures and are kept as pets by some Goreans.
ShadowHawk 20:25:42 pm CDT
*winks to snow, pulling her tightly to me in hug, whispering*.. just an fyi for future purposes girl.. lol
hulya{GS} 20:25:43 pm CDT
*blushes fiercly at Master Shadowhawk's comment and glances a little shyly at Him*
Lita, Physician 20:27:35 pm CDT
There are various types of sleen:
Forest sleen: This variety is the largest of all the sleen, ranging up to twenty feet long and weighing as much as fifteen hundred pounds. They are darkly colored, usually brown though some are black. It is also the most common sleen used for domestication.
Gray sleen: These sleen are considered the best hunters of all sleen.
Jungle sleen: Though they are uncommon, the jungle sleen is a shorthaired variety found in some tropical areas. Tarl speculated that maybe most sleen are not comfortable in the great wetness and humidity of the tropical jungle region.
Miniature sleen: This variety is very small, about the size of a domestic Earth cat. They are sinuously graceful with a silken pelt. They appear to be relatively innocuous creatures and are kept as pets by some Goreans.
Mountain sleen: These sleen inhabit the mountain ranges of Gor such as the Voltai, Thentis and Ta Thassa ranges.
Prairie sleen: This tawny colored sleen is smaller than the forest sleen, only about seven to nine feet long, but it is quite as unpredictable and vicious. The Wagon Peoples commonly domesticate prairie sleen. They will generally release the sleen at night to be both shepherds and sentinels. During the days, the sleen are often kept in cages.
Sand sleen: These sleen primarily inhabit the desert regions and may be domesticated by the tribesmen of the Tahari.
Sea Sleen: There are several varieties of this aquatic sleen, a vicious marine predator, and they have not been domesticated. They are generally restricted to the northern waters but some have been seen as far south as Cos and Tyros. They are considered to be the fastest creatures in Thassa, and maybe the most dangerous as well. The Red Hunters commonly hunt sea sleen. The four main types include the black sleen, brown sleen, tusked sleen, and flat-nosed sleen. They range from eight to twenty feet long, and weigh from 300 to 1000 pounds. There is mention of another type of sleen, the broadhead, which apparently would be a five variety of sea sleen. They are rare in the polar waters during the fall and are quite large creatures, eighteen to twenty long, weighing around one thousand pounds. There heads are quite broad, maybe 18 inches wide, which is obviously where they derive their name. The primary prey of sea sleen are parsit fish and the sleen follow their migrations. Thus, there is a specific time of the year for each sleen variety dependent on the various parsit migrations. Most sea sleen migrate though some do stay around, remaining largely dormant under the ice during the winter. They will surface about four times an Ahn to breathe. In Thassa, sea sleen will warily observe potential prey and then submerge as they near their prey for the attack. Sea sleen are quick to attack anything moving in the water except for boats. For unknown reasons, they do avoid attacking such sea vessels.
Snow sleen: These white-pelted sleen primarily inhabit the polar regions, and have been domesticated by the Red Hunters.
"It is a belief of the People." Said Imnak, "that the sleen does not really die, but, after a time, will be reborn again."
---Beasts of Gor, pg.288
shimmer{GS} 20:27:51 pm CDT
also there are sea sleen which the pirates here might even come in contact when out on their ships...
ShadowHawk 20:28:29 pm CDT
oh.. never heard of those shimmer.. or wait, are those that ones that are thought of as huge snakes?
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:30:36 pm CDT
shimmer, do the sea sleen have fur like say Urthen otters?
shimmer{GS} 20:30:50 pm CDT
Sea Sleen: There are several varieties of this aquatic sleen, a vicious marine predator, and they have not been domesticated. They are generally restricted to the northern waters but some have been seen as far south as Cos and Tyros. They are considered to be the fastest creatures in Thassa, and maybe the most dangerous as well. The Red Hunters commonly hunt sea sleen. The four main types include the black sleen, brown sleen, tusked sleen, and flat-nosed sleen. They range from eight to twenty feet long, and weigh from 300 to 1000 pounds. There is mention of another type of sleen, the broadhead, which apparently would be a five variety of sea sleen. They are rare in the polar waters during the fall and are quite large creatures, eighteen to twenty long, weighing around one thousand pounds. There heads are quite broad, maybe 18 inches wide, which is obviously where they derive their name. The primary prey of sea sleen are parsit fish and the sleen follow their migrations. Thus, there is a specific time of the year for each sleen variety dependent on the various parsit migrations. Most sea sleen migrate though some do stay around, remaining largely dormant under the ice during the winter. They will surface about four times an Ahn to breathe. In Thassa, sea sleen will warily observe potential prey and then submerge as they near their prey for the attack. Sea sleen are quick to attack anything moving in the water except for boats. For unknown reasons, they do avoid attacking such sea vessels.
Lita, Physician 20:32:43 pm CDT
Probably so, flicka, as the other types are specifically mentioned as having fur, and as they come in various clors.
ShadowHawk 20:33:04 pm CDT
Thank you shimmer, I hadn't heard about these.. appreciate your teachings girl!
shimmer{GS} 20:34:09 pm CDT
personally girls imagination makes them like seals otters and walruses but a heck of alot meaner
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:34:45 pm CDT
Ah so The Loch Ness Monster is probably not a grown up sea sleen that was smuggled to Earth as a baby? Cause Nessie doesn't have fur as far as a girl knows.
Lita, Physician 20:34:59 pm CDT
Thing is though, shimmer, the sea sleen are said to to attack boats, though the books do say they are hunted. Probably for their fur I'd imagine, as well as their meat
Lita, Physician 20:35:17 pm CDT
Sorry, are said NOT to attack boats!
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:35:23 pm CDT
have you seen Nessie, flicka?
*grins*
shimmer{GS} 20:37:33 pm CDT
girl would think they were hunted for their meat and also their waterproof coat if they are in extreme cold water girl would doubt they would have furr but thick isolated fat stores.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:37:41 pm CDT
Master Ramses, a girl spent a very chilly day cruising the Loch in a fruitless search for a glimpse of Him, but all of the "absolutely genuine photos of Him" show Him as not having fur, as having scales.
hulya{GS} 20:38:19 pm CDT
Agreed shimmer
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:49:34 pm CDT
~drops a pin to hear it tinkle~
shimmer{GS} 20:50:27 pm CDT
giggles at flicka should girl go find a sleen and let it chase ya flicka?
Dak 20:50:40 pm CDT
*smiles*, was thinking the same thing, is there anymore to say on this topic, or the other one ?
Dak 20:58:50 pm CDT
if there is nothing else, I will close the Forum, it's close to 9PM, *smiles*
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:59:23 pm CDT
Thank You for leading Master Dak.
Dak 21:01:02 pm CDT
aye, thanks for scribing, and thanks to all that came and participated in the Forum and hopes a few learned a little more about Gor, *smiles*
hulya{GS} 21:01:10 pm CDT
Thank you Master Dak for leading
Thank you for scribing sis