EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:24:49 CST *ok I got one,what happens if a slave wishes to go because of RT issues and a bit upset the FP won't let them go,what can they do?*
shi'rin{GS} 19:25:46 CST ~*~answers Master simply~*~ go
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:26:13 CST the slave needs to go because of RT but the FP is upset so won't let the slave go? is that right Master?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:26:14 CST *but isn't that going against the command shirin S*
Nicat 19:26:23 CST 68.0.76.142 RT takes precedence over VT always. the problem with that is slaves claiming RT just to get out of things
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:27:03 CST *no the slave is upset, ariel and the FP want let her go S*
tavelia{MDK}/{Sg} 19:27:23 CST hears shirin...and Master Forest aye...it is going against command...but if a slave has to go to r/t....that is first and foremost...no matter what the reason may be....
Laroona 19:27:37 CST RT comes before any VT issues and if denied permission has the right to leave is my understanding no one can or is suppposed to interfer with anyones RT
shi'rin{GS} 19:27:34 CST rt comes first, always, Master...no one online, even the Free, can tell a slave what to do when it come to rt...rt is to always be respected...yet not used as an excuse by a slave either, Master
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:28:02 CST *but unless You have a magic ball Nicat,how does a person know that is what they are doing S*
{Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 19:28:05 CST greetings Mistress Laroona...*s* liq has always begged first, then if the One she is serving is a friend she will whisper...if after she begs 3 times and gets no response...she bolts...but then she never tries to come in when R/T can interfer
shi'rin{GS} 19:28:43 CST are we speaking of just needing to leave the room? or more of leaving gor for awhile??
topaz-{Rast's_girl} 19:29:03 CST agrees exactly with ari...begs 3 times due to RT...then leaves.... jasma{LB} 19:29:17 CST if it's an RT thing.. then i feel the slave should be able to go, even if the FP has commanded her to stay. nothing should interfere
Nicat 19:29:54 CST 68.0.76.142 after a bit, it becomes obvious, as they will always do it in certain situations, so much you can almost predict it
Laroona 19:29:57 CST well if my house was on fire and I was slave and asked to leave for RT I would bolt... and indeed may not ask... an extreme example LOL
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:30:13 CST *thats right,RT always comes before VT and if a FP keeps her, after three begs I give the slaves the permission to go and then post to the council who is was that was keeping them away from RT S*
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:30:30 CST but don't you think that people get a sense about slaves that use the RT thing to get out of stuff?
Kayla-_Restricted_FW 19:30:47 CST well I say it depends on the RT... and on the situation... No telling why a Free May do as they do.
shi'rin{GS} 19:31:10 CST ok, shirin was thinking more long term, but still if rt calls suddenly and a Free will not grant a slave to leave, all she has to do is beg three times and go...it is a written rule in GS
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:31:16 CST *grins and rolls her eyes* amen to that.
Laroona 19:32:19 CST RT is RT and should never be questioned in my opinion... no matter what the situation AFK is a different issue
shi'rin{GS} 19:33:26 CST aye, there will always be a special circumstance and it's hard to say right now for *every* single situation, but too if it becomes habit that a slave is begging to leave often when the heat is on, so to say, then there is just right for a Free to be angry
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:33:40 CST *it shouldn't matter what the issue is if a slave has to go because of RT issues she should go,no ? asked,asking anybody about their RT lives is against the rules,RT is RT and thats where it S*
jasma{LB} 19:33:51 CST ~nodding head as Mistress Laroona speaks.. agreeing with Her.. ~..
Kayla-_Restricted_FW 19:34:06 CST well since this is about Me I will address this issue: Not that I wouldn't anyway... ~grins~ But I refused a girl to leave as I was calling for back up because the girl was threatening to committ sucide in RT...
And I have no problems with it and called Council members to enter to help... and If the slave is pissed or any one else at My actions I don't care.. I did what I thought I needed to do to help her
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:34:29 CST *thats true shirin but unless you get the same slave to serve you each time you won't know S*
edibe_GS_ 19:34:34 CST 24.10.200.105 edibe has to say this: even though a Free doesn't trust her RT or VT doesn't she have to let her go no matter what?
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:34:58 CST well Mistress Kayla, that's a totally different matter.
Kayla-_Restricted_FW 19:35:22 CST If the slave brings RT into it then all bets are off
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:35:57 CST *shakes her head* it's totally different if someone.. anyone, slave or Free, is threatening to commit suicide.
jasma{LB} 19:36:06 CST ~listening~.. suicide is a totally different area
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:36:23 CST that's just flat out a cry for help.
Kayla-_Restricted_FW 19:36:39 CST A free doesn't have to do anything *ss* Maybe have to pay the cost of an action ...
shi'rin{GS} 19:36:41 CST this is true Master Forest ~nods smiling~ aye Mistress Kayla...as each sistuation is different and You obviously did what You felt was best at the time...slaves don't often agree, but we must obey...the slave still had the option of asking 3 times and going
Zoran 19:36:42 CST nods in agreement with Kayla the circumstance are diffrent that not Gor thatm is RT
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:37:04 CST i think you're wrong edibe. suicide is a serious serious situation and it doesn't matter if it's in pm's or in the open.
tavelia{MDK}/{Sg} 19:37:24 CST has to agree with edibe Kayla...You brought it right into the room...out in public and made that person feel even worse....YOU were making them more upset than they already were....i understand you were trying to do the right thing....but what you need to understand...is sometimes what you feel the right thing is to do....might not be... gentle smile
Laroona 19:37:27 CST
RT is still RT and what one does in RT should not matter no one has the right to interfer, if it is life or death them there are RT experts to deal with it and the person concerned was going to seek RT medical assistance.... so therefore that says RT over-rides
jasma{LB} 19:38:17 CST ~nodding~.. i agree with ariel on that.. it's a very serious situation.. not to be taken lightly.
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:38:35 CST ugh... i wish everyone would just come out and say exactly what is going on. i feel like everyone knows what the hell is being talked about but me. like we're all just circling around the stink instead of picking it up and dealing with it.
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:38:48 CST *We can only do what we can if something like that happens,but whats stopping them doing it even while you are talking to them*
Kayla-_Restricted_FW 19:38:54 CST I did what I could to help a slave in pain... and she still breaths so it must not have been a bad choice *ss*
{Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 19:39:06 CST liq had a friend threten to do the same thing....the local police were called and they broke in...seems the person was playing mind games...needless to say..that person is no longer one of liqs friends...but if she had known and done nothing...and it did happen...how could she or A/anyone else live with themselves
Zoran 19:39:13 CST Laroona to think likt that well is a little on the sad side if one cries out it help and even if they feel bad it need to bedone
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:39:14 CST that is emotional blackmail. whispering threats of suicide and then being upset when someone tries to help.
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:39:47 CST i had to do the same thing one time liquid.
tavelia{MDK}/{Sg} 19:39:57 CST ariel....yes r/t is a serious matter....but one that was dicussed with Kayla because they trusted her....not to tell everyone....nods and smiles...and she made that person feel worse...in the process....i was on the phone with this one the whole time...i know how she was feeling....she was calm....but then when she wasn't allowed to leave....that upset her more...
Zoran 19:40:10 CST agreeing with liq
Laroona 19:40:18 CST liq the same thing happened once before in GS many years ago, and hours were spent only to find out it was a "joke"
{Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 19:40:32 CST ~looks to ariel~...liq don't no eitherariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:40:41 CST because Master Emerald Forest, statistics say that if a person talks about suicide and you can keep them talking, they are less likely to actually do it.
jasma{LB} 19:40:53 CST i stayed up with a friend talking to him to the wee hours in the morning.. he lived in another country.. he ended up logging off.. i had a hard time sleeping that night didn't know what he ended up doing... next night he was online again and thanked me for talking him out of it.
Laroona 19:41:37 CST Zoran you missed my intent *S* I understand that the slave WAS going to seek medical attention and did so
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:41:38 CST so basically someone was just playing games? is that it tavelia?
Kayla-_Restricted_FW 19:41:40 CST First tavi that is Mistress.. You forget your place it is a Forum not say as you wish! second of all the others were not doing any better that I could see and I did what I thought and still think was best
Zoran 19:41:45 CST tav sometime make someone feel worse has to be done even if it was a lie it must be delt with
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:42:04 CST *that might be true ariel but trying to keep someone on a computer to talk to is a bit different then talking to them in RT S*
Nicat 19:42:28 CST 68.0.76.142 reaching out to touch her arm lightly
{Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 19:42:32 CST if one feels that bad then the last place they should be is on line..suicide is not a game....and laying your problems on others and thinking they will just shrug and say oh well is cruel to the one concerned
Kayla-_Restricted_FW 19:43:18 CST well ariel I got a ping from a slave telling Me another slave was in trouble.. I raced to the Tavern and continued to talk to the slave and finally got them to enter the Tavern
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:43:27 CST i would agree Master, but if the computer is all you've got then that's what you work with.
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:44:15 CST *I suppose so ariel*
edibe_GS_ 19:44:19 CST 24.10.200.105 Mistress Kayla, i trusted you in PM's, but when you told the whole room i hated you for it and i still do.
Laroona 19:44:27 CST I have in RT dealt with many suicidal people and it is no fun, but if they hang up the phone all I can do is call in the medical teams... it is no joke that is for sure, and I know how sometimes desperation can affct people... I see it almost daily
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 19:44:28 CST *agrees with liquid* so Mistress Kayla, You were brought into this situation by another slave and are now taking the heat for trying to be helpful?
Kayla-_Restricted_FW 19:45:03 CST The slave asked to leave awhile later and when questioned in whispers she stated she was going to kill her self.. I then told her no she could not leave and then after the girl jumped up slaming her fist in the Tavern walls and stated she had RT broken her hand and now could she leave I brought the sucide threat into the Tavern hoping for help from others there at the time and was on IM's asking for help from any one I could get
Nicat 19:45:54 CST 68.0.76.142 the simple fact is, she did what she felt she had to RT and VT, the slave could not be physically forced to either enter the tavern, nor to even respond to Kayla.
Zoran 19:45:42 CST to hate is normal but sometime to save you have to lose
Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 19:46:32 CST Mistress Kayla did what she had to do...what she felt inside was right...perhaps by calling others in she may have found S/someone who knew the girl R/T and thus saved a life
Kayla-_Restricted_FW 19:46:35 CST That is up to you edibe... But if you can not see My concern then I can not show you any other way
Zoran 19:46:58 CST tav what I am say once that card is thrown on the table sucide is not a game it is like yelling bomb at a AIRPORT YOU HAVE TO ACT LOL
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:47:29 CST *in the first place,it shouldn't have been brought online,but in the second place Kayla's heart was in the right place and She did what She thought was right at the time,edibe is still here so it either helped or it wasn't going to happen in the first place,things like this is a spur of the moment thought and things happen that might have went another way but this time it went the right way,next time it could go different,nobody can tell what the situation may go*
edibe_GS_ 19:48:42 CST 24.10.200.105 well, now i see the only way i was ending my night was with 2 cracked knuckles, but yet you atill wouldn't let a girl leave for nothing though she promised a sister she wouldn't do anything and to Master Blade... who said He would tell you to stay away from this girl... ~looks away from the subject~
Nicat 19:49:21 CST 68.0.76.142 Mistress Kayla is not taking the heat here anymore
Laroona 19:49:51 CST I am sure NOT one of us would KNOW how to act in the smae cirumstances.. it still does not detract from letting one go to RT medical attention
Kayla-_Restricted_FW 19:52:17 CST have I talked to you since edibe? I have done as Blade said and left you alone girl
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:52:27 CST *sit with Me Mariposa S*
liquid_dreams 19:52:28 CST ~bites her tongue as she feels the fiery side of herself try to come out~
{Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 19:53:16 CST ~winks playfully at Master Zoran~ as many as the Master can fit...~chuckling~ EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:54:12 CST *it is in the rules Zoran,as long as nobody is waiting for a serve,as many as You can fit on it LOL*
topaz-{Rast's_girl} 19:54:22 CST LOL @ Master Zoran.. umm.. as many as He can fit??!!......chuckles as long as of course He is not being greedy and keeping al the slaves to Himself when there are other Free to serve.....grins
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:57:30 CST *not that important Zoran as I do it a fair bit when I am by Myself with a few slaves in the taven WEG LOL*
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:06:24 CST *ok got another one Topic.... restricted slaves and respecting those restrictions?*
Zoran 20:07:50 CST simple if they are resricted by there Master or Fw you respect it simple anwser
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:08:47 CST *but what should a slave do if the FP wants to break those restrictions*
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 20:09:20 CST personally? i pick my nose and wipe it on whatever happens to be handy
Laroona 20:09:27 CST if Owner(s)restrict property it is their right to do so... any who do not respect that and say slave rape then Owner(s) should be compensated restrictions could be punishment, learning such as white silks, or just possessiveness
lara{Zor} 20:09:55 CST lara thanks a Free should do as They please as long as They are big enough to deal with what the Owner will dish out at Them topaz-{Rast's_girl} 20:09:59 CST topaz believes that restrictions are restrictions...a slave is property to her Master, he sets the rulkes, and she must obey....end of story now if One chooses not to abide by those restrictions even though a girl tells Him, then that One is not acting with honore in her opinion... she should C&P it, and then politely give her Master's email addy to the One who is pussing....and then leave
Zoran 20:10:20 CST leave and e mail there Master or FW let them deal with the party that has broke there resrictions
Zoran 20:10:20 CST leave and e mail there Master or FW let them deal with the party that has broke there resrictions
{Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 20:11:52 CST hmmm..tricky topic...the wishes of the Owner should be respected...but life is a two way street....some Master will do what ever They can to lure a restricted slave into Their furs and it's up to the slave to remain true...but than again there are slaves that are resetricted who sneak behind their Master's back...*shaking my head*...yeah...liq'stongue ain't broke afterall
Kayla-_Restricted_FW 20:12:32 CST I would expect the slave to respectfully inform the Free of the restriction and if it goes further to C&P the incident and let the Free handle it... It is not like the slave really can do anything about it after all
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 20:13:25 CST it's always worked. look, it's common knowledge that ariel doesn't indulge in cyber sex. it is a decision that i made, not a restriction. i've dealt with it in several ways. always trying to stay within the realm of what is acceptable on Gor.. or at least borderline acceptable. i pick my nose, i am dirty and stinky. it works. i've never had a problem. even with Masters who are VERY persistant.
topaz-{Rast's_girl} 20:13:46 CST liq...those slave who sneak behind their Master's back are no slave at all.....not in topaz's opinion...shrugs... a slave obeys..period.....and she obeys that Whom she belongs to above all Others ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 20:14:23 CST i feel like the X button is a cop out Mistress Laroona. but that is a personal feeling. not one i would push on anyone else.
Laroona 20:14:36 CST wonders if ariel picked up her habits from those sailors or worse wharf urts LOL
{Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 20:15:27 CST ~winks at paz~...hmm...that's why Master isn't restricting me....He has enought trouble with me in r/t....He doesn't even wanna go to v/t with me....
Laroona 20:15:31 CST ariel true, but it is an option and a cop out but I would say an option of desperation or last resort *S*
{Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 20:16:59 CST liq doesn't believe in x'ing out of anything..she gets herself into something..she see's it to the end...even if she isn't happy with what happened...
jasma{LB} 20:17:33 CST ~whispering to ariel~.. i don't indulge in cybersex either.. not a restriction.. just a personal preference..
edibe_GS_ 20:17:34 CST 24.10.200.105 this girl has to go eat some food her stomach is growling at her... to the topic a slave should obey her restrictions no matter what and if a FP doesn't respect it over your behind and C&P it
edibe_GS_ 20:18:05 CST 24.10.200.105 cover*
tavelia{MDK}/{Sg} 20:17:38 CST listens to pazsis and agrees totally
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 20:18:06 CST *nods at Mistress Laroona* that's why i said that i wouldn't expect anyone else not to use the X button. for me, it's not an option. *muses* i did have to bite some one one time..but he wasn't really gorean. just pretending to be.
topaz-{Rast's_girl} 20:18:26 CST grins at both ari and jaz... same here ....soft smiles
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 20:18:59 CST *gives liq a high five* girl after ariel's own heart. i try to live by that rule as well.
topaz-{Rast's_girl} 20:19:07 CST grins at tave...forgotten she was about as she was so quiet...wonder where her mouth was..or tongue...LOL Laroona 20:19:24 CST LOL ariel you bit a HNG *chuckling*
Zoran 20:19:28 CST right downt he names of the slaves that do not cyber lol as I put a X by there neames LOl Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 20:19:46 CST ariel..can you spell...slave rape gone bad....ewwwwwww
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:19:54 CST *ok then,if a slave has restrictions and a FP goes against them,the slave should C&P the incident to their owner and let them deal with it
tavelia{MDK}/{Sg} 20:20:19 CST she snickers at pazsis tave has her quiet moments....and can be a good girl you know...blinks blinks and giggles
Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 20:21:46 CST ~peeks over Master Zoran shoulder amking sure she ain't X'd...Y'd maybe but not X'd~
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 20:21:51 CST *nods* i did. bite Him on the neck. and fortunately, as He threw ariel across the room and was figuring out how to cage her, Master Ruilan came in.
Master Ruilan does not suffer fools.
Laroona 20:22:05 CST I think I used the X button once on one I will not name as he is dead many times LOL
Zoran 20:22:16 CST looks around making sure I know the field the ones I can put at the bottom of the piles lol
jasma{LB} 20:23:31 CST being on the bottom of the pile wouldn't be new for this one.. ~chuckling softly~ ~winking at her valve~..
topaz-{Rast's_girl} 20:23:33 CST thinks....then speaks so softly... luckily topaz has never ever had One do that to her...or force her in any way....
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 20:23:40 CST its different for a Mistress i think. because of the slavery issue.
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:23:51 CST *shouldn't put names down Zoran,even if a slave has restrictions they can still have a bit of fun with them,as I look towards topaz WEG S*
Banker}'s_liquid_dreams 20:23:58 CST ~wonders is Mistress Laroona's dead aquaintance is liq's lousy rapist....snorts and tosses her head~
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 20:25:08 CST *agrees with Master Emerald Forest* i tease, i flirt, hell, sometimes i even touch.. but that's part of the game. see how far one can push before someone pushes back. *eg*
Laroona 20:25:24 CST probably liq LOL though I believe it is re-urrected again LOl
topaz-{Rast's_girl} 20:26:10 CST LMAO @ Master Forest...well said Master!!.....but fun and more than that are two spearate issies!! topaz is sexually restricted in all ways....even lapping...so the fun has to be more of a witty fun.....chuckles
ariel{Ruilan's_urt} 20:27:08 CST and after awhile isn't that the best kind of fun? the witty part? after all, *stiffles a yawn* after so many years exactly how interesting and stimulating can cyber sex actually be? the thought honestly bores me to tears.
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 20:27:57 CST *some of the new books have different positions ariel WEG LOL*
topaz-{Rast's_girl} 20:28:56 CST well said ari...lol..though topaz has never had the "years" of cyber either...she has always been restricted....grins.... and she is fun, intelligent, and has a way about her she thinks it more enjoyable than simply sybering with....at least she thinks?!/////lol
topaz-{Rast's_girl} 20:32:36 CST but, each to their own there is not right or wrong of things everyone has their ways and what they enjoy... if one loves to cyber.,...hey enjoy!!.....grins if one does not, prefers the mind play..then so be it as well... all ways should be accepted as they are period.....