Present:
Thorrn
Tanthio§
Dak
Hunter
Lita
shimmer
natira
shuri
snowrose
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 19:46:53 pm CDT
Tal Hunter
Good to see YOu join the Forum
greetings little shimmer beauty
*S*
Very sorry to hear that your Master will not be in tonight shuri
I made a forum topic especially for Him.
May be We can discuss it anyway and He can read the discussion in the forum notes.
shuri {ShadowHawk} 19:48:14 pm CDT
*smiles to Jarl Thorrn* Will let Him know.
Hunter{aura} 19:48:45 pm CDT
Aye Thorrn Thanks glad to be here...its been all work for this one for months now...first chance Ive had to get here...your sunday eve is My monday morn alas
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 19:49:52 pm CDT
Looks at the clock and declares the forum of tonight opened.
mmm ... more fun to open a slave but alas *grin*
Remember to keep greetings and chit-chat to whispers from now
AND whisper topics to Me so Wwe can discuss with passion about gorean topics.
*smile*
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 19:54:44 pm CDT
wowww ... My screen got flooded with red whisper ink
growl ... NO, that was a joke, nothing got whispered *l*
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:00:09 pm CDT
Now My screen is really all red - thank sto one you will surely be able to name from the kind of the topic.
Very interesting.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:00:33 pm CDT
Free Women: Boon or Bane
Quotes For This Week
"A free woman is inordinately precious. She is a thousand times, and more, above a mere slave." (Players of Gor, p.92) "For example, there is no higher person, nor one more respected, than the Gorean free woman." - Hunters of Gor, p.311
"Virginia was clad in garments cut from the beautiful, many colored Robes of Concealment of the free woman. But, proud of her beauty and glories in her joy, she had boldly shortened the garments almost to the length of slave livery, and a light, diaphanous orange veil loosely helped her hair and lay about her throat.
She wore the robes of concealment in such a way as not to conceal but enhance her great loveliness. She had discovered herself and her beauty on this harsh world, and was as proud of her body as most brazen of slave girls, and would not permit it being shut away from the wind and the sunlight. The garments suggested the slave girl yet insisted, almost demurely, on the reserve, the pride and dignity of the free woman.
The combination was devastating, tormentingly attractive, an achievement so tantalizing and astoundingly exciting that I would not be surprised if it were adopted throughout Ar by the city's free women, rebellious, proud of their bodies, at last determined to throw off centuries of restriction, of confinement and sequestration, at last determined to stand forth as individuals, female individuals, sensuous as slave girls but yet rich in their own persons, intelligent, bold, beautiful, free." - Assassins of Gor - pg 408
[women] ...seldom release the following instinct in men. Men, accordingly, do not on the whole, care to follow them. In doing so they generally feel uncomfortable. It makes them uneasy. They sense the absurdity, the unnaturalness, of the relationship. It is thus that normal men commonly follow women only unwillingly, and only with reservations, usually also only within an artificial context or within the confines of a misguided, choiceless or naive institution, where their discipline may be relied upon. Their compliance with orders in such a situation cannot help but be more critical, more skeptical. Their activities tend then to be performed with less confidence, and more hesitantly. This often produces serious consequences to the efficiency of their actions. It is interesting to note that even women seldom care to follow women, particularly in critical situations. The male, biologically, for better or for worse, appears to be the natural leader. In the perversion of nature, of course, anything may occur. ... - Players of Gor, 15:288
Questions
1) What are the responsibilities of Free Men when it comes to Free Women?
2) What are Free Women's responsibilities concerning slaves?
3) In roleplay, how and in what ways does a Free Woman's character depend upon a Free Man to be successful?
4) Why or why not do you enjoy interacting with a Free Woman character?
Hunter {aura}
its interesting that despite being so valued and admired that Free woman is named Virgin-ia.....chuckles
Lita, Physician 20:04:51 pm CDT
Perhaps that too is out of respect for Her status as a Free Woman? *grins*
Lita, Physician 20:05:37 pm CDT
Or, perhaps She to carries a large supply of poison pins? *snicker*
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:06:16 pm CDT
The position of the FW is a complicated matter in the books as i read it so far.
FW can get very quickly be collared but on the other side there are books where TC has to struggle hard and a lot with temptations the PK put on Him to challange His honor as a warrior and not take a FW though the PK had it selected especialy for Him.
Special respect and duties to show chivalry and protection to a FW depend on whetehrt She had the same Homestone as the Free Man.
Different homestones ... Her bad if He lusts to enslave the FW.
shuri {ShadowHawk} 20:07:21 pm CDT
Another one of Norman's contradictions, as He has proclaimed before that slaves can valued more than FW's. *laughs*
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:07:53 pm CDT
Hunter .... Virginia seems to Me to be a proper name for a FW ..... Men prefer slaves for pleasdure *grin*
Lita, Physician 20:07:57 pm CDT
Ubar Luther had an interesting take on Free Women that helps explain Their status.
Free Women Roles
Free women on Gor fulfill a number of different roles, roles that essentially cannot be filled by kajirae. These are important roles, ones that contribute significantly to the effective functioning of Gorean society. These roles include positions of power, Caste membership, Free Companions and mothers. These roles are far more important than the role of a slave. Slaves, in general, contribute little to the operation of Gorean society. Though there are work slaves, the primary purpose of the majority of slaves is for the pleasure of men, a type of luxury. A city could exist without slaves but not without free women.
Hunter{aura} 20:08:01 pm CDT
Lady Lita adorned in such mesmerising green and with the deepest blue eyes I am certain You need have no fear of viginity...*grins with great mischief*
Dak 20:08:13 pm CDT
yes, but at the time f that free Woman, Tarl was very new to Gor, also !
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:08:49 pm CDT
shuri
FW are pricless ... slaves can cost more than a priceless sum of money.
shuri {ShadowHawk} 20:09:03 pm CDT
Ah, this one did not know that a common Home stone made a difference.
Lita, Physician 20:09:44 pm CDT
That would depend more on the individual Free Man, shuri. Remember, there were several female Tatrixes on Gor.
Hunter{aura} 20:10:17 pm CDT
a city can exist without slaves...hmmmmm....only in Luthars dreams Methinks...wonders what he was smoking
Lita, Physician 20:10:27 pm CDT
It does, shuri. Men were bound by Honor to protect the Free Women of Their Family, and/or Homestone.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:11:18 pm CDT
Dak - i´m talking about the last books of JN (numbers about 26 and higher of the gorean series) where TC gets closed into a tube with a naked , beautiful , temptatious FREE Woman to seduce Him to breake the codes of the warrios to respect a Free Woman ... and He struggles very hard to not rape her ..... well, laters she gets enslaved by others and then becomes His property and pleasure ... so wating paid off for Him
Dak 20:12:50 pm CDT
well, I'm not fond of that book, I did read it, but it gave a lot of credence to Kuii, and that really didn't impress Me !
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:13:02 pm CDT
FW of other cities and so of other Homestones are not so strongly under the protections rules, they are much easier booty and collar meat.
Lita, Physician 20:13:24 pm CDT
Remember, Hunter, slaves didn't do everything. Port Kar was the only City on Gor built by slaves. Ordinarily slaves could not build, by Law. So it wasn't a matter of Free Men eschewing manual labor. Also, slaves comprised only 2-3% of the population. Therefore a great deal of manual labor other than building would have been done by Free AMen as well.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:14:01 pm CDT
I agree with that Dak, that is a series of 2 or 3 books with so much Kurii taking part in.
I don´t like those guys either very much.
Hunter{aura} 20:14:54 pm CDT
yes very true Lita..nevertheless...not sure Hunter would come to forum but for the visual delights of pretty slave flesh to calm the savage breast....and they smell good too....Chuckles
shuri {ShadowHawk} 20:15:06 pm CDT
*smiles* Is not saying that FW's are not priceless. Just saying that Norman has a tendency to contradict Himself at times in the books. He has made the opposite proclamations of slaves vs FW's at times.
Lita, Physician 20:17:46 pm CDT
Sometimes He does, shuri. But, many times it is not so much a matter of Him contradicting Himeslf as it is differences in the various cultures on Gor, or special circumstances. He has also said that if a Man kills Another's slave, He need only pay the Owner the two coppers her dead body is worth.
Dak 20:18:17 pm CDT
I thought you were speaking of Priest Kings and His relationship to Vika
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:18:24 pm CDT
So Lita - to go on with your question no 2
What responsibilty do FW have for slaves?
In the books i never read that about FW bein repsonsible for slaves , i only read about FW molesting and torturing slaves where and whenever They can get a hand on them and the biggest threat for a female slave is it to be sold to a Woman.
shimmer{GS} 20:19:35 pm CDT
personally girl thinks the only thing a FW can do that a slave can't is have babies... grins will let them go through that pain... and even that breeder slaves were even able to do that...
they were prized yes and needed bot so were slaves...
Hunter{aura} 20:20:10 pm CDT
Norman had an unerring talent of contradicting himself almost midsentence never mind over many long years shuri....*S*..One wonders at times if he didn't go to bed half way through a chapter and next morning forget entirely where he was heading....but thats also part of the charm I must add
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:20:28 pm CDT
Dak
I was thinking of the slave TC has in the last 4 or 5 books written so far.
I´m for now at no 29, Swordsmen of Gor.
Lita, Physician 20:20:48 pm CDT
Don't forget, Jarl Thorrn, there were at least two Free Women Who were slavers in the books. And the books also say that a Free Woman was raised to know everything a slave must know.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:21:04 pm CDT
not even that shimmer...a man can free His slave, have her bear a child who will be Free, then collar her again
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:21:35 pm CDT
chuckles at shimmer letting the FW enjoy the all pleasures of the labour.
Dak 20:21:37 pm CDT
yes I read that one too, wasn't impressed with it eiher
shimmer{GS} 20:22:50 pm CDT
hay girl does not want her beautiful body all stretched out and wrinkly by birthing babies grins cheekily...
Lita, Physician 20:22:53 pm CDT
shimmer, a Free Woman could also own property, travel as She pleased, rule a City, and practice any Caste Except that of Initiate, Assassin, and Warrior. So She could pretty much do as She pleased as long as Her family or Free Companion allowed it.
Hunter{aura} 20:22:58 pm CDT
Thats true Thorrn...very often where a Master was benevolent the FW was cruel for its own sake....perhaps out of envy I shouldnt wonder
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:23:26 pm CDT
Lita
Very wise idea of John Norman to say a FW has to elarn slave things so she is prepared to act properly when she may get enslaved.
Very wise *l*
FW can be a lot as long as They are free, even slavers and such.
Tanthio§ 20:23:34 pm CDT
Has joined the room
shuri {ShadowHawk} 20:23:34 pm CDT
*grins to Master Hunter chuckling*
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:24:59 pm CDT
Hunter
FW hate slaves - as competitiors to the attention of Men and because they envy them for the pleasures of a slave.
Tanthio§ 20:25:08 pm CDT
*Enters and moves to some furs quietly*
Lita, Physician 20:25:32 pm CDT
Duties for Free Women regarding slaves would probably be seeing that they were trained properly, and were properly fed and kept, and looking after their health. After all, in the books, Many Free Women looked after the business and/or estates of Their Free Companion if and when He was away tending to His duties. And yes, Free Women could also punish slaves if the slave was found displeasing.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:26:52 pm CDT
So far i don´t see any caring and responsibility of FW for slaves being pointed out here .... looks over to the Lady Lita.
Lita, Physician 20:27:17 pm CDT
and shimmer, if you recall, the serums that slowed down or prevented aging probably in part alleviated the deterioration of a woman's body due to childbearing.
shimmer{GS} 20:27:25 pm CDT
yes FW can own slaves shivers at the thought.... but when she did travel she was at the Mercy of Guards so really she did not travel where she pleased unless she paid alot for it of got someone to escort her... and then she risked the collar... yes she could rule a city... but if the FM does not like the way she rules it they can rebel against it and she finds herself in a collar or dead... yes she has more cast opportunities open to her but a slave can help along the Free with their casts.
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:28:10 pm CDT
FW could furr male slaves yes ~
Lita, Physician 20:28:51 pm CDT
I don't think the Free Women necessarily actively trained the slaves Themselves, but I would think it would be part of Their duties to oversee that training and make sure it was up to the standards wished by the Free Men of the household, and would do Honor to the household in front of copmpany.
shuri {ShadowHawk} 20:29:45 pm CDT
*smiles and nods to Master Tanthios.*
Lita, Physician 20:30:34 pm CDT
Provided They owned that male slave, Kazar. Furring Another's male sdlave was in violation of the couching laws for a Free Woman, and cause for collaring.
shuri {ShadowHawk} 20:31:09 pm CDT
*Hears Mistress Lita* Was that not the responsibility of the first girl?
Hunter{aura} 20:31:52 pm CDT
Might I ask ...where does thinking come into it?....its either spelled out in the books or its not...period...its not for us to guess at what may or not be the case in the concept...yes its a loose and broad concept by its very nature but still....?????
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:32:39 pm CDT
Kazar .... FW soemtimes enjoy to own silk male slaves and they can enjoy them
But they better do only so with male slaves they own by themselves because when the already prepare to couch with tthe slave of another the FW becomes the slave of the Owner of that male slave , if the mater gets detected.
Talena the false Ubara of Ar gets enslaved according to that law.
Lita, Physician 20:33:34 pm CDT
If the household had enough slaves to have a first girl. Remember, shuri, there were state-owned slaves who were rented out for household and childcare duties to Those Who could not afford to own and maintain slaves of Their Own. And a Free Woman would still wish to check on the training of the slaves by the first girl, just to make sure it was up to standard.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:33:46 pm CDT
The Slave Master oversees the training usually...not a FC she would think
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:34:00 pm CDT
Jarl THorn grins yep
Tanthio§ 20:34:33 pm CDT
*Quivers at the thought of male slaves*
shuri {ShadowHawk} 20:35:01 pm CDT
*raises an eyebrow to Mistress Lita* No, this one did not know that.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:35:14 pm CDT
yes Master Hunter...snowrose was just talking about the books she has read so far. she has not read them all...
Lita, Physician 20:36:52 pm CDT
snow, think again of the less wealthy families, Who might own a slave, or even a few slaves, but might not be able to afford to pay a Slave Master. Even those of the Peasant Caste might own a slave or two.
Lita, Physician 20:38:39 pm CDT
It was outlined in one of the earliest of the books, shuri.
Hunter{aura} 20:38:42 pm CDT
grins to snowrose...its alright girl your a slave with better things to do than read
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:39:35 pm CDT
~winks to Master Hunter~ very true Master
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:41:07 pm CDT
well, yes Mistress...in small holdings the FW might oversee the slaves..
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:42:04 pm CDT
Questions no 3 and 4 to the FW topic:
3) In roleplay, how and in what ways does a Free Woman's character depend upon a Free Man to be successful?
4) Why or why not do you enjoy interacting with a Free Woman character?
(assuming some may have forgotten already, like Me *l*)
How does the character of a FW depend on a Men to be successful?
I have no idea what a successful FW is.
Talking to a FW - well, for Me it depends on the person, with slaves, FW and FM.
It can be intersting, fun, exciting depending and how the other one clicks with Me .... in the different aspects of slave and Women and Men if cause.
Hunter{aura} 20:42:31 pm CDT
Tanthios...a male slave is not my cup of tea either..Nods and shudders
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:43:32 pm CDT
In small holdings the FW will also have a close eye on the slaves ... and her Free Companion.
Hunter{aura} 20:44:44 pm CDT
a succesful FW is simply that She still has a capped name I would assume...*L*...neither been thrown in the canal or dressed properly with collar
Lita, Physician 20:45:38 pm CDT
I would say the success of a Free Woman's role-play would depend onhow much the Free Men of the Home allowed. I would not expect a Home to allow a Free Woman to slap a Man and demand He take Her and a slave to lunch, as Talena did in the books, but on the other hand, it'd difficult to role-play much of anything in some of the Homes that expect a Free Woman to sit by the fire and keep Her mouth shut unless there are no slaves around to serve, and then She is permitted to bring the Men drinks.
shuri {ShadowHawk} 20:45:59 pm CDT
Well, whether enjoy interacting with an FW depends on how that FW treats a slave. Though from a roleplay perspective, cannot expect an FW to be nice to slaves all the time. Especially since the books state so many times that They often are not.
Tanthio§ 20:46:02 pm CDT
A successful FW is one that's been stripped of her robes and collared IMO
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:46:05 pm CDT
Hunter .... hmmmm .... One can also say a successful Free Woman is one who managed to get collared *LOL*
Tanthio§ 20:47:07 pm CDT
*looks to Thorrn and chuckles* GMTA
Hunter{aura} 20:47:18 pm CDT
Laughs....thumps My shoulder...Aye Thorrn..well said also
shimmer{GS} 20:48:11 pm CDT
grins at the Masters ~nodding in total agreement~
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:49:00 pm CDT
Grins and waves to Tanthios
Great minds think alike *l*
AGrees with Lita
It depends a lot on the online place and the rules how the role of a FW can be payed.
In some places the FW are much more free to deviate from that strict closed and shut up line of FW in the books.
shuri {ShadowHawk} 20:50:52 pm CDT
*laughs* Yes, would think any FW that is able to stay and FW would be successful?
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:51:25 pm CDT
shuri
In online FW characters it is often that They care a lot for ths slaves and protect them from raging Males. Seems to be the motherly genes which makes the FW act like that *S*
shuri {ShadowHawk} 20:53:12 pm CDT
*grins and nods to Jarl Thorrn*
Lita, Physician 20:53:53 pm CDT
Even in the books, Jarl, a lot of the Free Women were far from strict, closed and shut up. It's just that the main ones discussed in the stories often ended up overstepping Their bounds and getting Themselves collared. Again, Free Women played much-needed roles in Gorean Society, and while the Men might dream of Them all being collared, Gorean Society could not exist without Them,, and All know this.
natira{GS} 20:54:11 pm CDT
hearing Jarl Thorrn she giggles and smiles~ that seems to be a good point Jarl, natira has experienced such in different homes with some of the FW who took her under her wing when the FW thought the Men were being too...harsh ~laughs~ but natira feels that a slave shouldn't run to the protection of a FW
Tanthio§ 20:54:51 pm CDT
Perhaps some FW feel that they are not attractive thus the robes *chuckles*
Dak 20:55:09 pm CDT
*smiles*, I don't know that, *smiles*
natira{GS} 20:55:24 pm CDT
don't FW in the North not wear veils like those of the South? can't remember for sure
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:55:43 pm CDT
In connectint to a topic of last forum i can say for Myself ... i enjoy to talk to a witty, funny and interesting person, find a way of mutual roeplay with that person , this doesn´t have to be getting serevd a drink or running to an alcove . Ther are other ways too to enjoy online gorean life and i´d enjoy if such would happen more often in the different rooms of this place.
Lita, Physician 20:56:54 pm CDT
*laughs* Tanthios, I doubt the Robes were the Free Womens idea! The Men Who had Free Companions probably instituted them to help keep the Tarnsmen from snatching Them off the HNigh Bridges as they sometimes did in the books.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:57:55 pm CDT
smiles and hugs natira for welcome greetings
The slave doesn´t need to run for protection, sometimes the FW enjoy to grab them slaves and put them under their protection when a Free Men gets harsh.
Hunter{aura} 20:58:13 pm CDT
I think....bearing in mind My earlier words about thinking....that in essence FW were a much needed contrast to keep the stories from being dull....a sort of devils advocate to spice up the action
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 20:59:03 pm CDT
No such strict conceilment rules and veils in the north natira.
The FW of the Jarls have more freedom than the FW of the south.
natira{GS} 20:59:11 pm CDT
~giggles softly~ perhaps Jarl
Tanthio§ 20:59:30 pm CDT
Makes sense Lita.. it could as well be a cover your beauty *nods*
shuri {ShadowHawk} 20:59:44 pm CDT
*smiles hearing Jarl Thorrn about playing in other rooms and nods*
shimmer{GS} 20:59:54 pm CDT
would some day like a Free to rent me out and take me for a ride on their ship think that would be a blast...
girl in her old home the FW were well true to Form Real FW...( not nice at all) and would often try to get slaves into trouble with them so that they could punish them... it is nice that is not the way here... laughs remember the time girl was serving a FW and she had her crawl to her on her hands and knees... well the balancing act did not work and well the drink ended up in the FW lap... was funny... but of was girl in a cage for a while...
Lita, Physician 21:00:28 pm CDT
I think it depends, natira. The books say the Robes of Concealment were particularly worn by the Women of the Cities, though in Ar and Ar's Station it was not legally mandatory.
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:00:40 pm CDT
shimmer grins my crew would like you on my ship ~
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:01:32 pm CDT
Hunter
Only about 5 % of the females of Gor are slaves, so it is givena few times in the books of John Norman.
I percentage which is much too low for all the slaves occurring in the bboks ... and inspie of 95 % FW only very show up in the books and most of them end up bein collared .
Tanthio§ 21:04:02 pm CDT
5%? perhaps only in the books.
it's 95% online
Lita, Physician 21:05:43 pm CDT
Ubar Luther said 1% to 3% in the books, and that agrees with what My sometimes faulty memory tells me.
Hunter{aura} 21:05:57 pm CDT
I also think as Free Women go..Lita is a bit of alright....a nice person very studious and I learn more about Gor from Her than anyone.....and to me the person is the main thing...roleplay character is just that....just saying
Lita, Physician 21:06:51 pm CDT
*Blush* Why thank You, Hunter. You are most kind.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:07:07 pm CDT
Nods to Tanthios
We had it already a few times in Forum , the discussuing of the percentage of slaves and FW.
For the females it is a few times mentiones in the books which come sup to just about 5 % female slaves in Gor.
No percentage is estimated for male slaves besides that it is less than for female slaves.
Online it seems that slaves have much more fun and the percentage of FW is very low *winks to the beauties*
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:07:45 pm CDT
Hunter smiles aye i always picking her brain too learn more about gor
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:07:48 pm CDT
Mistress Lita is very elegant, and fair, even though she doesn't have to be fair
natira{GS} 21:08:19 pm CDT
loves being a slave despite the distinct possibility that natira could end up in trouble on one day or another ~laughs~ just saying
Lita, Physician 21:08:57 pm CDT
laughs* So THAT'S it! I'm not getting senile and forgetful in My old age, You Men have just picked My poor brain to pieces! *giggle*
shimmer{GS} 21:09:51 pm CDT
Mistress girl really does like you of all the FW girl has been around she thinks you are pretty great...
Lita, Physician 21:10:21 pm CDT
Why thank you, shimmer.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:10:31 pm CDT
Always a wise decision to ask Women about things to learn Hunter
Besides when it comes to matters of combat with weapons. Women do that better with their tongue *g*
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:12:19 pm CDT
Thinks question no 4 got just answered very well ... one can communicate with a FW and enjoy it *smiles to the so beloved and respected Lady Lita*
Hunter{aura} 21:12:49 pm CDT
It could be just putting You off guard Lita....while the right hand caresses the left holds a collar....LOL
natira{GS} 21:13:24 pm CDT
chokes and giggles~ sneaky
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:13:42 pm CDT
grins at Hunter who knows the ways of the hunters and slavers to trap the prey
Lita, Physician 21:15:05 pm CDT
True, Hunter, but I still have My quiva and My poison pins.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:18:20 pm CDT
One could say it is a´kindness on guard, can´t one Lita
Lita, Physician 21:18:55 pm CDT
Yes, One could, Jarl.
Hunter{aura} 21:19:16 pm CDT
thats why I never get sick Lita Ma'am....never know if I will get poison or medicine....Grins
shuri {ShadowHawk} 21:20:21 pm CDT
*Chokes just a bit hearing Master Hunter, placing a hand over lips as they curl into a smile*
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:22:31 pm CDT
Sometimes just a fine line a small potion less or more if it is posion or medicine.
Lita, Physician 21:22:32 pm CDT
You are safe, Hunter, as long as You keep on MY good side, and don't catch a bad case of Dar Kosis or Bazi Plague....
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:25:37 pm CDT
I think we gave the FW a lot of room in the forum of tonight .
SO here is another question which came up.
if a slave wants too leave
first part do the captains usually take her collar off ?
while waiting for a decision from the captains can one go back to thier regular name ?
3rd part when the captain takes off the collar if slave wnats too come back to gor does she start again as a white silk ??
My answers:
1) yes
2) no
3) it depends on the time the slave has been away and how much her slave skills are still trusted to be fitting for her former silks.
Hunter{aura} 21:26:20 pm CDT
oh but you dont have a god side Lita.....
You look simply stunning from all angles...*S*
like that did You mean?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:28:03 pm CDT
while waiting, she does just that...waits for the Council's convenience
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:28:09 pm CDT
A slave remains as long the proeprty of her Owner or Owners till He (They) set her free or hand her over to another Master.
A slave cannot get rid of her colar if the Owner doesn´t get declared lost at sea or she gets abondoned.
shuri {ShadowHawk} 21:28:22 pm CDT
girls who have not been officially released by the Captains are usually declared runaways are they not?
Lita, Physician 21:28:56 pm CDT
Keep up the flattery, Hunter, and I will begin to wonder what You want! *GIGGLE*
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:29:40 pm CDT
Looks close at Lita ... does she have a good or a god side *grins*
Lita, Physician 21:29:54 pm CDT
shuri, it would depend whether the girl kept coming in while waiting, I would think.
Lita, Physician 21:30:57 pm CDT
Also might depend on whether she had asked for release or just up and disappeared.
natira{GS} 21:31:28 pm CDT
if slaves were to freely remove her collar they would be jumping ship with an owner the minute she started having troubles. we are to wait at their convenience not the other way around. just because a slave begs release doesn't mean she will simply be let go..remembers a time when she was owned by one master, begged release and found herself being auctioned off to the bidder the master chose to accept. that was humiliating and the lesson was brought home harshly because it wasn't an enjoyable auction. she was actually treated like an animal, handled roughly, inspected...it was to teach her that just because she asks for something the answer may come in an unexpected and quite unenjoyable way
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:31:52 pm CDT
nods to shuri
slaves who run away by their own decision and without the consent of the Owener(s) are runaway slave and get treated like runaways.
Remember ... when you are slave you are slave .... not on your own will anymore and it is only right to act like that, a slave.
Hunter{aura} 21:31:56 pm CDT
which itself depends on how seriously the slave took this realm
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:33:29 pm CDT
Lita
Asking for relases is not enough and the final act.
The slave has to wait for the answer of the Owner or if He doesn´t respond she has to wait till the Owner gets declared lost on the sea.
shuri {ShadowHawk} 21:34:35 pm CDT
This one remembers some girls asking for release of the GS collar and then coming back a short time later and begging for it again. The Slave Master made them work as scullery slaves in the kitchen until He felt they had earned the right back to even be a white silk slave.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:35:29 pm CDT
True Hunter.
ANYONE of any chat place can just do as someone wishes to do and also ignre all rules and habits.
Those person are meant by this. The discusssion is about people who are willing to stick to the rules they once choose as their rp and agreed to follow.
We can´t drag anyone into the place who doesn´t want to stay anymore .
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:35:49 pm CDT
Jarl THorn if she is owned by the captains one still has too wait for them make a decision ~
Lita, Physician 21:37:15 pm CDT
Understood, Jarl Thorrn
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:37:16 pm CDT
That is how a clever Slavemaster will do it shuri
Make them earn the colar and give proof that they are serious about being a slave.
It degrades collars , relatiosnhips and such when you enable and disable them like nothing. That is rp for kiddies.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:38:35 pm CDT
Nods to Kazar ... the Captains are the Owners of the GS-slaves and They make the decisions about Their slaves. Not the slaves, a slave can just beg.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:38:57 pm CDT
btw ... who is doing the scribing of tonight?
Lita, Physician 21:38:59 pm CDT
We used to call them "velcro collars", Jarl. Another example of "Disney Gor"
shuri {ShadowHawk} 21:39:22 pm CDT
*smiles hearing Jarl Thorrn and nodding.* Indeed Master Thadron was a good slave Master.
Dak 21:40:14 pm CDT
is Thadron not still slave Master?
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:40:27 pm CDT
Nods to Lita and rememebrs that expression of the velcro collars.
Forgot about that.
Never heard the phrase Disney Gor but it needs no explanation, it speaks very well for what it means.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:41:17 pm CDT
Captain Thadron is still Slave Master but He is not much around lately, unfortunately.
natira{GS} 21:41:52 pm CDT
dislikes Velcro collars... it is disappointing that there are girls who gets collared, wants it removed and jumps straight to another Master without any thought
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:42:23 pm CDT
Dak havnt sen Lord Thadron now in a few months
been no Captain now in over 2 weeks now
shuri {ShadowHawk} 21:42:52 pm CDT
Oh, this one finally was able to talk to Gary about lengthening the time posts stayed in the other rooms (except the Tavern of course). He has lengthened posts to stay for 24 hours in the other rooms. We can see how well that works or if it needs to be longer.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:43:11 pm CDT
snow and shuri were dueling scribes Master ~laughs~
shuri {ShadowHawk} 21:43:55 pm CDT
Or girls who get collared and their Master's disappear.
natira{GS} 21:44:35 pm CDT
aye shuri...have had to deal with that as well. its awful
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:45:12 pm CDT
Kazar
I didn´t see Captain Thadron either for many weeks Kazar
I also have no idea what is going on in His life that He stepped out so suddenly and when of if He will be back regularly.
natira
It is also for a Master to prevent such quick collarings and show the girl to take a collar more serious.
Let her wait and test her more before granting her His collar.
natira{GS} 21:47:08 pm CDT
Jarl Thorrn, in some realms natira has been in, the Masters wanted slaves so bad to "prove" they were Masters, that they didn't care who they collared..and some collared girls only to release them days or weeks later with no thought its a vicious cycle
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:47:10 pm CDT
A kind of dualing which is allowed My lovely snowrose *S*
Just get clear who makes the final c&p and puts it up to the corks resp the info- pages.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:48:52 pm CDT
Disney Gor , natira
Or very young guys and gals in that place. They tend to be impatient.
Smiles at My snowrose and strokes her neck where My collar decorates her skin already for more than 4 years.
natira{GS} 21:49:58 pm CDT
true Jarl Thorrn ~smiles~ it is lovely to see when it is solid and lasts
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:51:25 pm CDT
Tugs firmly at the girl´s collar and nods to natira
It lasts and lasts and the slave gets regularly and frequently reminded that her neck is in My colar. She gets no chance to forget that.
shuri {ShadowHawk} 21:52:05 pm CDT
Well appreciate that Others have stepped up to help out since Master Thadron and Master Sandman have not been around very much.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:52:17 pm CDT
~smiles~ it is part of her now my Master
Hunter{aura} 21:53:15 pm CDT
I know I may seem ireverant at times ..I think thats because in D/s where I have spent most time its hard to take much seriously as far as the average players go and cynicism and septicism soon sets in....but it is good natured rest assured and not intended in anyway to deride either the concept or the people here at GS.. I respect and admire all here for the good nature....and for the integrity..that goes for both Free and slaves..I do say Thanks for always making Me welcome
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:53:27 pm CDT
shuri, don´t forget to mention Captain Kyoto who hasn´t been around since many months anymore.
Tanthio§ 21:53:38 pm CDT
appears forum is over now..
Thanks You for the Lead Thorrn
I wish A/all well
natira{GS} 21:53:38 pm CDT
as it should be Jarl Thorrn ~smiles wistfully~ she is most happy for you both
shuri {ShadowHawk} 21:54:56 pm CDT
*Smiles hearing Master Thorrn and winking to mistress snowrose* That all slaves should be so lucky......
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:55:52 pm CDT
and Captain Ramses
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:56:02 pm CDT
You are welcome Hunter.
I came via DM and curiosity to GS and still believe in both worlds able to exist together. Each has it´s ways and pros and cons but the worlds remain sisters resp bros so i don´t undersatnd that some look with disrespect at the other.
Lita, Physician 21:56:26 pm CDT
that's how things work here, shuri. This is our home, and when one cannot be present, others of us try to step in.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:56:57 pm CDT
~smiles to shuri~ she gives thanks each day that her Master chooses o keep her..she never takes it for granted..
shuri {ShadowHawk} 21:57:09 pm CDT
*laughs hearing Jarl Thorrn* Many months? Try a couple years now.....and Master Kyoto has deleted His email account. Last this one heard, there was serious things going on in His life, and that was about 1 1/2 to 2 years ago. This one is surprised He has not been declared lost at sea.
Jarl Thorrn - Advisor 21:58:20 pm CDT
Nods to My girl, good luck Captain Ramses around some times.
Looks around ... forum is closed for tonight.
Thanks for A/all who have been in and took part in the discussions and tp those who whispered the topics of tonight. Very intersting topics.