Rollo the Ax 19:22:31 pm CDT
no BIG deal, aurnia... but there are 2 L's in my name...okay ??
Welcome everybody to this weeks edition of the GS forum.... we will follow the same rules as always... everybody gets to have their say...even slaves, as long as it is done in a respectful manner.. once we start, keep the personal chit chat and greetings and such in WHISPERS so as to take some of the burden off of the scribes... anybody with a topic, question, or anything they wish to discuss, PM it to ME, and I will bring them up as time allows.. Okay ??? lets begin......
Rollo the Ax 19:25:35 pm CDT
So ??? does anybody have a topic ?? a question ?? a point of order ?? anything somebody wants to open up for discussion ???
Rollo the Ax 19:35:43 pm CDT
LOL... I have a personal policy of just holding the forums with or without a scribe ... it is better if there is somebody to do it, yes... but if not, then it should still carry on.. anybody that gets upset about no records should either BE HERE to see what is said .. or accept the fact and live with it... it is ONLY out of the kindness of the hearts of Laroona and those that help her that there even IS a record for those that can't or don't bother to come to forum.....In MY opinion.....
Laroona 19:35:46 pm CDT
Tal and greetings all
apologies for being late..
seems I will scribe as usual
Rollo the Ax 19:38:52 pm CDT
LOL...LOL... so many volunteers.... LOL..LOL...
Laroona 19:39:16 pm CDT
makes a note of the volunteers...
Rollo the Ax 19:41:31 pm CDT
Okay.. now that we have THAT settled, does anybody have a topic they wish to discuss ??????
Rollo the Ax 19:45:07 pm CDT
How many stars in the night sky ??? how many grains of sand in the Tahari ?? if a tree falls does it make a sound ?? how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood ???
Laroona 19:46:12 pm CDT
If Wally the Gorean Woodchuck was here he may know the answer to the last part of your question Captain Rollo
*tongue in cheek**
aurora{Ulrich}GS~sg 19:46:40 pm CDT
~giggles~
zoya{GS}t 19:46:47 pm CDT
trillions, gadzillions, yes, as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck
Ulrich 19:47:12 pm CDT
He'd chuck all he can.
I thought everybody knew that.
vina{GS} 19:47:45 pm CDT
~grins to Master Ulrich
FREE MULTITASKING & PATRONS GREETING ORDER?
Rollo the Ax 19:49:51 pm CDT
Okay.. we have a 2 for one sale...LOL.. both of these came at the same time so i will just put them both out there....
#1
It is well known that a girl is to expect nothing from the Free, be it her Master, a Free Woman or just One whom she happens to be serving.
That being said, in the online world of Gor, where a girl has to take in so much knowledge and put a great deal of effort into her serves, making them pleasing to the eye, is it too much for a girl to ask to have the attention of the One she serves?
Is it right for the One she serves to be elsewhere in another chat conversing with others while a girl is putting her heart into what she is doing?
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#2
Greetings Master ~soft smiles~
will You bring up a topic about the greeting Patrons in seniority order, please?
One of the GS Master got pissed at a GS slave because she greeted a new GS Master before him.
Laroona 19:52:47 pm CDT
the first question has been raised often and IMO it is not wrong technically as they are Free
BUT
I detest those who di it as it is like a slap in the face to the slave and it is my opinion those type do not deserve being served....
if Council could rule .... if this situation is noticed that slaves could cease serving and C&P to council....
Bhoamar 19:53:11 pm CDT
I know there are times that I forget Who is where in the order of the GS tavern. but I am old Ya know.
aurora{Ulrich}GS~sg 19:53:47 pm CDT
a girl can ask nothing of the Free
but it is very disheartening to work hard
at a serve, placing the One she serves well
and from within her slavery and her heart
to find His attention not focused on her serve
zoya{GS}t 19:54:19 pm CDT
no, it's simply not right for a Free to ask for a serve and then not give His or Her full attention to it fully
Ulrich 19:55:00 pm CDT
Well number 2 is easy.
I can't recall ever requiring the slaves to remember the exact order that each patron has pledged. That seems a bit above and beyond.
The Council, there is a specific greeting order. The Free come and go, pledge, throw away there pledge, pledge again.
I think the girls have enough to remember, study and understand without that kind of burden
Bhoamar 19:55:45 pm CDT
It is completely inappropriate to take a serve and not pay attention to the slave. I do not post lengthy in response but when being served the girl has My attention even if I talk amongst Others in the tavern
Ramses 19:55:45 pm CDT
with respect to the first question ... I Myself feel that we DO expect a lot from slaves ... so I DO try to pay attention, and find Myself commenting when a slave is serving another Free, but He is not really paying attention ..to fill in that void if I can
vina{GS} 19:55:47 pm CDT
this one thinks perhaps she may understand why the patroned Master would have gotten upset?
Rollo the Ax 19:56:12 pm CDT
as for #1 ??? Once again, in MY opinion, doing that is much the same as a slap in the face .. not only to the slave, but to everybody in the room... if you ask for a drink, then BY GOD sit there ... watch the serve... comment on it... and do NOT be off some place else at the same time playing squat tag or slap and tickle with anybody ...
bijou 19:56:38 pm CDT
a girl thinks if He is conversing with other Frees, she must just accept it and he happy that the Free are enjoying Themselves..but it's hurtful when He's giving attention to another slave and just accepts the drink dismissively
Laroona 19:56:51 pm CDT
I believe if I do not have time for a serve I will say so
but if I do have a serve I do my damndest to read it all and comment
even for a harta serve
after all how hard is it to say for example
"I am pleased with the care and devotion the girl has taken in selecting the tankard"
Ramses 19:57:07 pm CDT
and I agree with Ulrich on question #2
jessenia{Bh} 19:57:32 pm CDT
what if the One doing such were a Man of higher position in the home?
would they not be held to a higher expectation on such than just a pledged patron??
Bhoamar 19:58:07 pm CDT
aye as do I agree with Urlich
Ulrich 19:58:38 pm CDT
Now back to #1, unfortunately that question isn't quite so cut and dried.
Personally, I won't come to GS, and definitely won't ask for a serve if I can't give GS my 100% focus.
It's an immersive experience for me. I find it to be common sense, and common decency to give a girl my full attention if she is serving me.
I understand how much work, and more importantly, how much emotion the girl puts into her service.
vina{GS} 19:59:08 pm CDT
the one patron perhaps had been a patron for years...perhaps He was offended....
bijou 19:59:50 pm CDT
by the same token, it is wrong for a slave to seek the attention of the Master when He is being served
jessenia{Bh} 20:00:22 pm CDT
if the Free are in the same room. conversing... that's different... but for Him to be in a whole different chat room... at the same time is in jesse opinion not only a slap in the girls face but more importantly the Home he serves
zoya{GS}t 20:00:37 pm CDT
how so or why be offended, vina?
Rollo the Ax 20:00:53 pm CDT
as for #2..?? Is it not enough that we have rules about greeting Council members and such in order ??? Now somebody wants there to be a score board posted to keep track of exactly when anybody pledges so they can greeted in order ??? GET FREAKING REAL !@!!!!!
Laroona 20:02:05 pm CDT
as for #2 there is no greeting order set down for Patrons.....
but I believe it is a show of RESPECT to greet Captains first
then other Free then slaves....
that is how I always try and greet when I enter...
It does peeve me when ppl enter with a
Tal and greetings to all
that puts all in the same position as far as I see it...
and is a lazy entry
Bhoamar 20:02:38 pm CDT
to hell with Him Pledged is Pledged and has no standing past that
vina{GS} 20:02:41 pm CDT
well, she isn't for sure that is what happened...she is guessing...
Ulrich 20:03:33 pm CDT
bijou I think the issue at hand is someone being in another chatsite at the same time.
Sometimes, in a crowded room, it's easy to get engaged in many conversations at once, but One should still take the time to note the work of a girl he has put into service.
Bhoamar 20:03:58 pm CDT
this issue from #1 has been a noted pattern Rollo with the person.
and vina there was no displeasure with the serve was a disinterest in what was occurring after asking for it.
Laroona 20:04:24 pm CDT
the only reason the dates are out n the pages for pledges is two-fold
firstly they know for their own information
and second when they want to purchase a slave...
bijou 20:04:49 pm CDT
oh sorry Master...she didn't know they did that..be in 2 places
vina{GS} 20:04:55 pm CDT
ok this girl is getting really confused now
Bhoamar 20:05:29 pm CDT
aye Urlich and if Ya can't pay attention to more than one issue then do not do more than one thing
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg 20:06:03 pm CDT
Master Lemuel taught shadow years ago that it is perfectly acceptable to greet *all* in the forum as a group.. now other rooms shadow agrees with Mistress...
Rollo the Ax 20:06:04 pm CDT
I think that the point of #1 is not just talking to anybody else... the point is that many a time it has been found that some dick head will be getting a drink serve in one room, another in a different room or site, and also be in an alcove someplace else .... ALL at the same time..... THAT kind of bastard needs to be bitch slapped for showing such blatant disrespect for ALL the rooms he was in...
jessenia{Bh} 20:07:15 pm CDT
and as jesse asked....
if the said dick head were a man of power in the home.... and He did such.. what then?
Laroona 20:07:22 pm CDT
being in 2 chat rooms being served by 2 different ppl is IMO a disgrace and a slap in the face to the girls serving,,,,
and as I said earlier....
maybe a ruling could be made....
if noticed slaves stop serving that person even mid serve particularly in GS
Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg 20:08:23 pm CDT
so may shadow ask why there is no rule in place for Free not to be in two chat-sites at once? some people need more than common sense to guide them
Laroona 20:09:26 pm CDT
If I recall it does say under Frees Advice to take notice of slave serving.... that is about it....
Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg 20:09:46 pm CDT
shadow don't think that decision should be made on a slaves level, Mistress.. but thats just girls thoughts
Bhoamar 20:10:29 pm CDT
aye that is all Laroona. I have to believe that it was expected that a Free would pay attention to His Own home.
Laroona 20:11:19 pm CDT
slaves put a lot of effort into a serve
so why the heck cannot a decision be made
or at least the "dick head" as so well put is chastised by Council
Laroona 20:14:47 pm CDT
what peeves me about this multi-service issue
'is often slaves giving 100% attention are unaware it is happening
so should the Free of GS raise the issue
as we can multi-task LOL
aurora{Ulrich}GS~sg 20:15:49 pm CDT
its unacceptable for a Free to do that
if a slave did that
can you imagine the consequences?
whew
Bhoamar 20:15:58 pm CDT
there have been times that it has been necessary to "stepping" so to speak and let the gil know she has been noticed Laroona
jessenia{Bh} 20:16:25 pm CDT
what peeves jesse is that the Free is in another chat sporting GS as being His home for any who may be curious enough to some how come to realize he's in two places at once...
how does that make GS look?
vina{GS} 20:16:26 pm CDT
this girl could not begin to multi task like that, she would get herself in a world of trouble to be sure for making mistake after mistake....
Laroona 20:16:34 pm CDT
Bhoamar exactly *S*
why I may appear to have higher expectations than many ...
as I love my home and do not want to see it brought into disrepute by the actions of some free
Bhoamar 20:17:43 pm CDT
not good My girl. not good at all.
Rollo the Ax 20:18:13 pm CDT
and back to #2... in MY opinion, greeting is a simple form of showing respect... for too many it is just a socially expected act that has lost all meaning ... I mean ppl do it not because they WANT to, but because they are expected to... for Myself, I could give a shit less .... if anybody wants to say Hi, or whatever, fine !!! if they don't want to greet me, than just ignore my old ass..... the odds are that I don't give 2 shits about then either... the ONLY place I push it is HERE..from slaves...and WHY ??? because it is a RULE !!! any Free that don't want to say Hi is fine by Me..... I have not lost even one minute of sleep over getting NOT greeted......LOL..LOL...
Ulrich 20:18:13 pm CDT
Aye Laroona, unfortunately, it's just "Advice" and we all know how well Free take Advice. lol
I am aware of a specific incident that I'm sure is the root of this discussion. I will address it privately, and talk with my brothers on the Council as to whether something should be put in place.
Specifics are not for public forum. Here we should keep it in general terms.
aurora{Ulrich}GS~sg 20:18:48 pm CDT
more importantly vina
you are not serving the way a slave should serve
if you are in another venue at the same time
its against GS policy for slaves
Laroona 20:19:10 pm CDT
slaves cannot multi-task or be in two places so why the hell is it acceptable for a free?
yes I am angry as this is so commonly done
Bhoamar 20:19:52 pm CDT
*chuckling at Rollos comments*
Laroona 20:20:47 pm CDT
geesh posting behind here LOl
Captain Ulrich I concur *S*
vina{GS} 20:21:23 pm CDT
~smiles to aurora
exactly....she would not wish to do that anyway, it is not in her nature
vina{GS} 20:21:51 pm CDT
this one quite frankly did not even consider that Another would be doing that....
Rollo the Ax 20:22:46 pm CDT
the point that you are missing jesse, is that the misconduct of one person, should not nor usually would reflect on GS as a whole... it simply makes that ONE PERSON look like some kind of drop kick... by doing such, ANY person is only making THEMSELVES look BAD.. no GS as a whole......
jessenia{Bh} 20:23:37 pm CDT
yes Master
Laroona 20:26:38 pm CDT
Captain Rollo it has reflected back on GS
"that person makes GS a mockery"
Rollo the Ax 20:28:47 pm CDT
Once again... my PERSONAL opinion about anybody getting their knickers in a twist about * greeting order * is simply this... if getting greeted in some special order JUST to show supposed rank or time in service or whatever... the one getting upset has some serious self worth problems... like some child stamping their foot about getting picked second, third or last for the team..... GROW UP !!! if it is a guy, GROW a pair of nuts... and just shit the hell up and be happy you got talked to AT ALL !!!!!!!
Rollo the Ax 20:30:01 pm CDT
that should have been * shut the hell up... not shit the hell up...... LOL..
Laroona 20:30:55 pm CDT
LOL re #2 Men usually stand when a FW enters
that never happens LOL
I am do not get my knickers in a twist over the fact that does not happen.. to me it is a nothing issue...
salina and aurora have checked LOL LOL
Laroona 20:31:42 pm CDT
LOL I am glad for spell check when I put the notes up
and will fix the shit for shut up LOL
‘rhian{GS} 20:31:56 pm CDT
and rhian wasn't invited to check, Mistress? *grins*
Ulrich 20:32:08 pm CDT
I know I wouldn't be happy if I shit the hell up
Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg 20:33:04 pm CDT
*scrunches her nose*
shadow either, Master..
Laroona 20:33:13 pm CDT
no rhian as you had your sticky fingers on the hems LOL
rhian{GS} 20:33:52 pm CDT
*nods* true. girl is more interested in the skirt then what's underneath.
Rollo the Ax 20:35:06 pm CDT
but Laroona.... ONLY in the abstract or in some round about way... even IF the person is from GS, them doing wrong is still just THEIR OWN misconduct... just because one person FROM GS does something wrong, it does NOT make EVERYBODY from GS the SAME does it ??? only in a small way of * guilt by association *...
Bhoamar 20:35:55 pm CDT
to a point true Rollo
Laroona 20:36:52 pm CDT
Captain Rollo I agree *S*
Rollo the Ax 20:38:54 pm CDT
LOL..LOL.. it gets more easy with time to * shit the hell up * when you are as full of shit as I usually am..... I have been called * 20 pounds of bullshit in a 15 pound bag * more than once... LOL...LOL.. I mean really..look at my icon...I am so full of bullshit that I have horns..... LOL..LOL... LMAO..........
Laroona 20:39:37 pm CDT
I am glad not ALL of those in GS do it...
I recall years ago....
there was one who used to be in two places being served and when slaves knew suddenly they were unavailable to serve..... that same person never stopped their actions
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg 20:39:50 pm CDT
~laughing.. ~
rhian{GS} 20:41:10 pm CDT
*giggles*
Rollo the Ax 20:41:23 pm CDT
I got tired a LONG time ago of being my brothers keeper.... Worry about your OWN conduct and actions, and let the other guy worry about his own.....
Laroona 20:41:26 pm CDT
heee heeee is it bosk shit?
aurora{Ulrich}GS~sg 20:41:33 pm CDT
ok Mistress
thinking on Your last post
if a slave did it there would be consequences...and severe
so how does the Free get a consequence
it should be a rule for Free
what if it was a higher rank doing that than a pledged Free?
a Captain...or a Captain Emeritus?
Ulrich 20:42:23 pm CDT
Exactly Rollo
Laroona 20:43:08 pm CDT
aurora if slave Owner(s)said stop serving
you obey your Owner(s) first IMO
Rollo the Ax 20:44:25 pm CDT
the worst example I can remember has a long time ago... and it was even a past Captain of GS... the guy was such a horn dog that he was caught cybering with 4.. ( count them, folks, 4 ) women at the same time in different sites.....his fingers must have been HUGE !!!!!! LOL...
Laroona 20:44:45 pm CDT
adding to the answer
if a high ranked then they should know better and be setting an example IMO.....
Bhoamar 20:45:01 pm CDT
if My girl is serving and the one being served is not being attentive I have the right and the ability to terminate the serve and call My girl back to Me.
Laroona 20:45:37 pm CDT
Captian Rollo I think we figured it out he had 4 hands LOL
rhian{GS} 20:45:51 pm CDT
*shakes her head in wonder* girl can't even imagine how one would accomplish that, Master Rollo
bijou 20:46:20 pm CDT
poorly
Laroona 20:46:27 pm CDT
LOL anything is possible online LOL LOL
Xertog 20:46:37 pm CDT
aurora there are 4 Captains currently and as I see it is our job to keep each other in line. It is why I like the structure of a Council over an Ubar.
rhian{GS} 20:46:54 pm CDT
*grins naughtily* so if he had four hands, would that mean he'd have multiple other appendages?
vina{GS} 20:47:09 pm CDT
~looks in wonder....
why would someone wish to do that?
Rollo the Ax 20:47:21 pm CDT
but yet again, Laroona... what SHOULD be is not always what IS.... right ????
jessenia{Bh} 20:47:44 pm CDT
simply put vina
no honor... and no respect
Laroona 20:47:48 pm CDT
rhian ummm trying to think
not that I recall LOL
the Ax 20:48:17 pm CDT
okay folks... I just got a phone call I was waiting for, and have to leave NOW... Y'all take care... see you soon......
Be well.....
Ulrich 20:48:50 pm CDT
I wish you well Rollo
Laroona 20:49:06 pm CDT
exactly Captian Rollo
what you or I or others think is right is not always right to some *S*
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg 20:49:14 pm CDT
*nods in agreement with jesse*
vina{GS} 20:49:27 pm CDT
nods to jess
aurora{Ulrich}GS~sg 20:50:03 pm CDT
aye Master Xertog, thank You
girl was trying to figure out what she would do as sg
if she was in the tavern and this was going on
aurora looks to not only work hard with the girls
but protect them in a way
so her mind was working overtime *L
Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg 20:50:11 pm CDT
which is the confusing part to shadow..
Goreans hold honor in a high esteem and that is not honorable, not to shadow anyway..
aurora{Ulrich}GS~sg 20:50:45 pm CDT
thank You Master Rollo
Laroona 20:51:33 pm CDT
there lies another question
if a FW ordered a serve to be ceased to a FM
would she be the one in the wrong or not?
vina{GS} 20:52:45 pm CDT
this girl would think so....a Mistress is beneath a Man....isn't She?
no offense Mistress...~smiles warmly to Her
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg 20:52:50 pm CDT
is not for a slave to decide to stop serving a free? shadow don't think.. shadow has seen slaves in the past take Frees business a little too far "correcting" a Free.. its just not "slave like" to shadow
BUT if there is a Pledged Free around could they not step in and stop the serve?
vina{GS} 20:53:43 pm CDT
ok maybe this one is confused again....
~laughs softly to herself...
Laroona 20:54:11 pm CDT
vina why I asked the question *S*
rhian{GS} 20:54:50 pm CDT
*laughs* to confuse us poor innocent-minded slaves, Mistress?
Ulrich 20:55:17 pm CDT
Well Laroona, by definition a FREE Woman is always right, unfortunately for you, a Free Man is always more right lol
Laroona 20:55:53 pm CDT
rhian of course I intend to confuse LOL
Laroona 20:57:09 pm CDT
Captain Ulrich LOL
that was my point.... LOL.. we are always right LOl
same as a slave must consider a Free is always right even when they are wrong
*S*
Ulrich 20:57:29 pm CDT
But seriously Laroona, you might point out to the Free Man in a whisper, that he should consider what he is doing.
Laroona 20:58:17 pm CDT
hmmmmmmmmmmmm thinks
Bhoamar 20:59:38 pm CDT
*nods to all.* off ot the tavern jesse.... heel slave
jessenia{Bh} 21:00:24 pm CDT
yes Master....
jesse wishes everyone well...
*rising.... bells chime as she follows Him out*
Ulrich 21:00:27 pm CDT
aye shadow, if a Free Man is around then it's totally appropriate for them to step in and intervene.
A Free Woman, is walking on a bit thinner ice, so they have to tread lightly
rhian{GS} 21:01:30 pm CDT
especially, since They don't have feet *smiles innocently at Mistress*
Laroona 21:01:56 pm CDT
heee so I need to get my skates back from Ramses LOl
or use gorean duct tape LOl
Ulrich 21:02:08 pm CDT
Alright let's call the forum to a close. We are starting to lose people, and the time is up.
Thanks everyone for coming and participating.
Laroona 21:03:39 pm CDT
It would be appreciated if people respected those scribing not to post action posts during forums
thanks