Rollo_the_Ax 19:07:46 CST
Shall we begin ?? No time like the present to get things started....
Rollo_the_Ax 19:10:33 CST
I would like to welcome everyone to this weeks GS forum... as everybody here is known and has been to other forums, I think that we need not go thru the rules yet again... lets just try to remember to keep greetings and chit chat in whispers so that the scribes need not work any harder than necessary..... Okay ????
Laroona 19:11:34 CST
anyone like to volunteer to scribe please?
Difference from FW and white silks tower?
Rollo_the_Ax 19:14:08 CST
Okay... our first topic should be a quick one.... ** What is the difference between a FW tower and a white silk tower? ** To tell the truth, I do not know exactly, myself... never having to have worried about it...LOL...LOL... off the top of My head, I would hazzard a guess that CLOTHES would be a safe bet.... LOL... anybody know for sure ???
Ramses 19:15:01 CST
chuckling and nodding in agreemtn with Rollo
that's all I thought as well
Zoran 19:16:14 CST
lol and Rollo I wondering who cares
waits for the fire of the FW's
lol
segen~{HoT} 19:16:23 CST
~segen offers up a quick quote
segen~{HoT} 19:16:30 CST
"The position of the Tower Slave, in which Vika knelt, differs from that of a free woman only in the position of the wrists which are held before her and, when not occupied, crossed as though for binding. A free woman's wrists are never so placed."
Priest-Kings of Gor: --pg.46
Laroona 19:17:20 CST
FW should be veiled and robes and kneeling with her hands palm down on her lap or thighs... and of course thighs together
a white silk would be the same
palms ups means useage
butterfly{Tir} 19:17:32 CST
*was about to post that exact quote too!* very quick on the buzzer segen*smiles*
akeria~ 19:17:44 CST
~listening and taking note~
Laroona 19:20:41 CST
From GS slave pages
"a slave kneels the same as nadu but with her knees modestly together, this variation is referred to as Tower and is typically reserved for white-silk slavegirls or slavegirls who serve a Mistress, this is a non-sexual position and palms would be down on thighs to signify this, may even cross wrist over her lap to show she is not for sexual use"
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 19:20:53 CST
~*Slips in quietly, waving to everyone and goes straight
to her Master's feet with a coughsputterwheeze.*~
butterfly{Tir} 19:21:33 CST
*hugs her chain tenderly, and settles in to listen*
Phen 19:22:05 CST
Ok My understanding was not only in the clothes but the placement of the hands...Up for slave down for FW
Rollo_the_Ax 19:22:20 CST
See.... I knew that somebody would know and be able to back it up with quotes... LOL... not trying to appear too glib or such... but in all truth, most if not all men never worry about such things, so we are usually the wrong ones to ask for direction about * how * it should be done....LOL..
Zoran 19:22:49 CST
lol Phen place your Palms up
I swear I be nice lol
orli_{GS}~t 19:23:10 CST
Rollo_the_Ax 19:10:33 CST
I would like to welcome everyone to this weeks GS forum... as everybody here is known and has been to other forums, I think that we need not go thru the rules yet again... lets just try to remember to keep greetings and chit chat in whispers so that the scribes need not work any harder than necessary..... Okay ????
akeria~ 19:23:19 CST
akeria was taught palms down, as a white silk is not to be used sexually
Laroona 19:23:46 CST
I do not recall I have seen any quote on FW
other than FW kneel in nadu/tower LOL
butterfly{Tir} 19:23:57 CST
*nods in agreement with the quotes given*
Ramses 19:24:29 CST
akeria, that is the way I thought we were training whites silks as well
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:25:24 CST
the crossing of the wrists seems to be as important as the placement of hands
butterfly{Tir} 19:25:31 CST
but yet..there is the quote about the wrists of the white silked slave being crossed..a Free Woman's wrists are never to be crossed
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 19:25:55 CST
~*BOL as her Master and chian repeat her.*~
~segen~{HoT} 19:26:05 CST
~couple quotes on palms~
"Position!," I snapped.
Swiftly she knelt again, as she had been commanded earlier.
You obey with the alacrity of a slave girl," I observed. If I do not," she said, "I could be punished as one, could I not?" "Yes," I said, "and would be." I walked about her, examining her, She kept her back very straight, and her head up. I was then again before her. I noted that the palm of her hands, so soft, so vulnerable, had turned on her thighs, so that they faced up. Among slave girls this is a common ways of signaling need, helplessness, a desire to please.
Vagabonds of Gor...pg.209
leda{P} 19:25:48 CST
leda's palms have been down for almost 8 months !...*giggles*
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 19:25:55 CST
~*BOL as her Master and chian repeat her.*~
~segen~{HoT} 19:26:50 CST
She knelt in the position of the Pleasure Slave but her hands on her thighs had unconsciously, pleadingly, turned their palms to me, and she no longer knelt quite back on her heels. It was as though she begged to be allowed to lift and open her arms and rise and come to my arms. But as I looked upon her sternly she turned her palms again to her thighs, knelt back on her heels and dropped her head, holding her eyes as if by force of will fixed on the plastic beneath my sandals.
"Priest Kings of Gor" (pages 234-235)
Phen 19:28:28 CST
Nor are a Free Womens palms ever up...
Phen 19:29:32 CST
So why would a slave be granted the position of palms down
Phen 19:30:18 CST
Im asking this questions on the books not of c7ps that can be doctored...
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:30:25 CST
Leda i thinl the palms down /palms up for a slave represents the desire or availablity to be used sexually
~segen~{HoT} 19:31:39 CST
~arching her brow as she hears of C&P's that can be doctored and shrugs~
Rollo_the_Ax 19:28:05 CST
Perhaps I was wrong... we may not be finished with the tower position question......???? LOL...LOL...
Phen 19:34:31 CST
Ok Captain so does a white silk have her palms up?
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 19:35:03 CST
White silks have their palms down.
leda{P} 19:35:14 CST
Yes MAster Tir ...leda cannot be used as she is whitesilk pure virgin girl her palms are always down ...*giggles*
and further the girl has heard even or read in the Tavern one evening when she was in the sack that a slave should only truly offer her palms up to One Master her Master ...not to All ...she should only truly entirely submit HIM
orli_{GS}~t 19:35:33 CST
as orli was trained and continues to train other white silks slaves
they do NOT have their palms up as palms up signifies sexual service
shirina_{GS} 19:36:23 CST
~smiles to leda, as she too has heard the same~
butterfly{Tir} 19:36:45 CST
*has heard the same and has been trained the same way years ago*
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:37:19 CST
i was in the tavern that night leda thank you for mentioning that part
Phen 19:37:21 CST
I think palms up means subserviance and shows the differance between Free and white ...
leda{P} 19:38:32 CST
*nods and smiles to Master Tit *
butterfly{Tir} 19:38:50 CST
a slave should only have palms up if they are higher than white status...and Free Women should have their palms down, without their wrists crossed
butterfly{Tir} 19:39:11 CST
leda..."tit"?*dies laughing*
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 19:39:33 CST
"Mistress Phen, it seems, the only difference between
a Free Woman and white silk, is that a Free Woman's
wrists should never be crossed. Whereas a white silks
wrists cross when not in use."
orli_{GS}~t 19:39:45 CST
as a Tavern slave....what does a girl do?
she serves all.....has no set One Master?
*looks to leda....looks to butterfly~
this is how GS does it....*shrugs and smiles~
white silks...palms down....yellow and red...palms up
personally owned...as their Master's Mistress's wish it
butterfly{Tir} 19:40:37 CST
orli..agreed*smiles*
leda{P} 19:43:17 CST
Yes of course orli ...*smiles*
Phen 19:48:48 CST
butterfly so Me being a Free Women decides to cross My arms once or twice is a no no?
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 19:49:48 CST
~*Gives Her a look.*~
"Mistress Phen, can You elaborate on what You're still asking?"
butterfly{Tir} 19:49:59 CST
Mistress, in the eyes of Gor, it would be a no no..
though a girl is sure that if a Mistress wished, she could cross her arms over Her chest or whatnot, if Mistress understands what a girl means?
Phen 19:51:28 CST
What I am asking is as a Free Woman am I not allowed to sit in tower with My arms crossed if that makes Me feel comfortable*winks and smiles* I know its petty but I still think its an issue
Phen 19:52:17 CST
Ok what about a Gorean appluase is a Free Woman allowed to do that?
butterfly{Tir} 19:52:43 CST
Mistress, a girl thinks a Mistress should be allowed to rest her arms wherever she wishes..but must be careful not to cross her wrists as that would imply other things...
Rollo_the_Ax 20:00:14 CST
Phen...... How about THIS for an idea ??? if you or any other FW are sitting there, and sitting how ever... palms up, palms down, arms crossed, or hands up beside your head with fingers spead like deer horns... if it AIN'T in an exact * tower * position, then it ain't tower, now is it ??? Do we need a whole set of rules in detail about this hand here that hand there, left ass cheek on the chair, right ass cheek half off, with a feather hanging out of the right ear ?????? details are fine except when they get so bogged down that they screw up everything else........
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:00:59 CST
A free woman can cross her wrists if it floats her boat. What determines the meaning is the context of it. If she unconciously crosses her wrists in her lap, it's one thing.
But if she crosses them and holds them out to a man, it implies submission.
It's a context issue.
Phen 20:01:48 CST
Captain I agree with You all I asked was a very simple question about palms...Thats all...Up or down...
Phen 20:02:39 CST
Aye Kyoto If I hold them out to You the a Master has to eaither collar Me or Kill Me is that not right?*SS*
Tir's}koryne~restricted 20:04:02 CST
"Hey! It ate my post!!"
~*Grumbles and looks to Master Rollo with a chuckle.*~
"Are we ready to move on?"
~*Grinning.*~
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:05:04 CST
Per the codes, I believe you are right, Phen.
Phen 20:06:48 CST
*Smiles to the Captain& Aye the Warrior codes but Im willing to bet Most Men of Gor would rather collar than kill*S*
Zoran 20:07:24 CST
depends on the FW LMAO
The_Skullsplitter 20:07:43 CST
Depends on the woman, I know of a few I'd like to get rid of for a bit of peace and quiet. Nag Nag Nag, Shop Shop Shop.
~Grunts~
Phen 20:08:06 CST
We are all beauties Zoran~wink~
Zoran 20:08:52 CST
smiles to Phen
OTHER SITES & GS RULES?
Rollo_the_Ax 19:25:44 CST
Okay then... I would say that we have cleared that issue up.... agreed ???? so on to our next topic.....
** If someone was travling to another site and was assassinated or killed who to say it was a legal slaining.??? **
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:27:24 CST
perhaps c&p of the assassination should be reviewed by the captains
Deirdre 19:28:07 CST
I would assume it would be the "Powers that Be" between the two sites. Possibly the Powers of the Assasined Ones home site, and that of the site He/She was traveling to......or even the site where the so-called Assassin hails from. *shrugging*
~akeria~ 19:28:33 CST
akeria agrees with Master Tir...is that not what is done if a slave is captured or taken in a place outside of their home?
Tir's}koryne~restricted 19:29:51 CST
"I'd assume that if a girl ass captured and assasinated,
it would have to be taken under the wings of council here,
and there, and the assasinatOR should be questioned
about motives, where it was done and the such...and
the actual killing should most definiately be reviewed
to make sure that it was valid."
~segen~{HoT} 19:29:57 CST
segen is not entirly sure it should matter. There is no "exchange of information" if you will between sites and often little good will.
Some sites, such as JAG people can come and go with a variety of different names. If they have not been leagally killed in GS, should they be held dead here??
orli_{GS}~t 19:33:53 CST
as with most sites
many require more than one other Pledge Free
present at any time of any Assassination
is there such in place at GS?
orli does not know for sure
Rollo_the_Ax 19:33:54 CST
Okay... we will move on to the second issue... To put it as plainly as I can.... In GS, *WE* decide or set what rules or issues are followed or not... GS has no ties or alliences with any other site to the degeee that we MUST honor their actions or they ours....
Zoran 19:34:14 CST
woule it be his site that he is a pledge or the site he was at
Zoran 19:35:22 CST
ah I see always wondered that
segen~{HoT} 19:36:42 CST
Look...to be quite realalistic...MANY that we know have "died" or been "killed" at other sites and are either "reborn" or something.
i would think it would be a bit silly to honor what's done at another site here in GS unless the council rules it valid for here too.
Otherwise i would guess slaves would stop traveling...Master's would stop sparring, raids would stop happening etc...
Rollo_the_Ax 19:36:43 CST
So.... If somebody gets * killed * in say a JAG room, or Steel dawn, or anyplace other than GS, the Council of GS has nothing to say about it, nor do we have to honor it.... So anybody could get killed in another room or site, and still be alive and welcome HERE in GS...... no matter how big a ration of shit the other site wants to give anybody about it.... Okay ????
~akeria~ 19:38:28 CST
akeria agrees totally with segen...
Phen 19:38:48 CST
Our ruls and laws do not cross over to other sites~shrugs~ My thoughs ok so why should theires dictate ours?
Zoran 19:39:01 CST
nods to Rollo
segen~{HoT} 19:39:37 CST
Jarl Rollo ~winking and giggling~ LOOK we agree on...somethin *impish grin*
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 19:40:18 CST
"I'd assume the killing would most certainly be reviewed
by GS's council..."
Rollo_the_Ax 19:43:39 CST
???? WHY, koryne..??? Why would the GS Council need to worry about * reviewing * such an action in another site ???? If the guy is dead there and alive here, what would be the use ??? and why should we waste our time worring about something that we could not possibly do anything about ???
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:44:55 CST
i think the point has been made, death in GS is death, death elsewhere is a bad dream, case of gas... nothing of substance
butterfly{Tir} 19:45:31 CST
*grins, hearing Master's way with words*
Tir's}koryne~restricted 19:45:31 CST
~*Turning to Master Rollo.*~
"I know that, if I was around JAG, and some wanna~be
assasin HNG "killed" me, I would certainly hope I
wouldn't have to stick to that--I would still like to
travel there and not follow a killing if it was
done inocrrectly."
Khaled 19:46:14 CST
I agree why review it, if Gs is not going to accept it as a vaild killing?
~akeria~ 19:46:58 CST
it would only be a valid killing in GS is if it took place in GS..correct?
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 19:47:27 CST
"I suppose HERE...is one thing, understanding I'd still
be alive and kicking here, but could it be said that even
if it was a valid killing there...I could still travel?"
Laroona 19:48:23 CST
It is my understanding that GS Council rules on all killings and even FW force collarings within GS ...
Laroona 19:50:05 CST
can we please keep to one topic
as I am moving from page to page
Loki 19:50:27 CST
~agreeing with Tir, death in GS is death, death elsewhere is for them to deal with, if You die in Jag you very well cant travel back to the site, but should be welcomed at other sites~
Zoran 19:51:15 CST
lol you can go haunt them after it happens lol
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 19:51:28 CST
~*Nods to Master Loki.*~
"Thank You. That is what I was looking for."
Laroona 19:51:46 CST
LOl like the Ghost of Zoran huh LOL
Rollo_the_Ax 19:52:01 CST
Then in all truth, kornye, you woukld need to get a ruling FROM the folks that run THAT rom or site... as far as GS and the Council are concerned, it doesn't matter if somebody got killed by an HNG or the oldest best known gorean at that site... THEIR room, THEIR rules.... OUR rooms, OUR rules.... if somebody needs a ruling about the death being valid, they need to take it up with the folks that run THAT room... okay ????
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 19:52:30 CST
"Aye, Master ROllo, thank You."
Zoran 19:53:47 CST
start to think Phen is on dail up as she still on the first question LOL
Zoran 19:52:34 CST
lol at Laroona
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:52:46 CST
likes Zorans haunting idea
orli_{GS}~t 19:53:18 CST
*cannot sit here with the blatant disregard for rules
.....rises and quietly slips out~
segen~{HoT} 19:53:27 CST
~crawls quietly to her Jarl's side and curls up to His leg as He sits~
butterfly{Tir} 19:53:29 CST
*grins hearing Master Zoran*
butterfly{Tir} 19:55:02 CST
*thinks she pissed off orli*hmmm
Laroona 19:56:37 CST
butterfly you are pissing me off too
there are rules
want to do the C&P?
butterfly{Tir} 19:57:16 CST
apologies..a girl was only answering Mistress Phen's questions..
Zoran 19:58:00 CST
do in whispers next time lilone
butterfly{Tir} 19:58:55 CST
yes Master
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:00:39 CST
i think that it was clearly not just butterfly that was answering Phens questions and Phen said she thought it was still a question. singling one out is wrong as all are supposed to have a voice here
butterfly{Tir} 20:00:20 CST
*shakes her head and settles back, keeping
her mouth shut from this point on*
butterfly{Tir} 20:02:21 CST
*nods* see this girl isnt the only one going back and forth on both issues..but nonetheless, this girl will speak no more of it
butterfly{Tir} 20:04:52 CST
yes please let's move on before people start biting each other's heads off again
{KUURUS}'silks~RESTRICTED 20:05:28 CST
so when is next dance for all of GS
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:05:37 CST
segen, did I give you permission to whisper to me?
Zoran 20:05:38 CST
ahhhhhhhhh it is good to be home rubs my lilones head lol
segen~{HoT} 20:06:52 CST
This is forum Master Kyoto, she did not wish to clog up the Scribe with chatter but she will refraine from speaking to You...
akeria~ 20:08:25 CST
~settling back awaiting the next topic~
Tir's}koryne~restricted 20:08:30 CST
~*Guffaws at the outbreak of "unslavelike" things going
on behind the scenes.*~
"Master Rollo, can koryne ask what the next topic is?
She's feeling pretty quizzative this evening."
butterfly{Tir} 20:10:14 CST
yes please let's move on...*smirks as the topics flop back and forth and yet she was the only one getting reemed out..shakes her head*
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:10:44 CST
butterfly hold your tongue until theres a topic
FW AVATARS or ICONS
Rollo_the_Ax 20:12:52 CST
Okay... lets move on to another topic...... ** Is it appropriate and permissable for FW to have room icons that show flesh and are suggestively "slave-like?" I am NOT speaking about the presence or lack thereof of veils. I am speaking of icons of Women that are showing an amount of skin that a real Gorean FW would not do.
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 20:14:22 CST
~*Can't have much say on this one, but puts some out
there anyway.*~
"It's probably isn't appropriate, but some will do it
anyways, no?"
Zoran 20:14:24 CST
I think a FW icon she be clthed and covered
if they want the freedom they need to obey the cover of there body
Laroona 20:14:44 CST
short answer
should be collared
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:15:14 CST
Id say that the books suggest a woman of Free nature are conceiled, veiled etc, and it appropriate fr FW to have at least conservative icons to prevent confusion
Deirdre 20:15:21 CST
*nodding in agreement of Laroona*
Should be.....but aren't.
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:15:30 CST
I think from an earlier conversation in a forum and subsequent council ruling, as long as her behavior is appropriate, her icon doesn't matter.
segen~{HoT} 20:15:33 CST
segen thinks that FW should be clothed as FW...there should be a difference betweens slaves and FW and it's not like there is a shortage of both icons and/or people that can alter an icon to add the veil..
Zoran 20:15:46 CST
agree a bare neck should be collared
The_Skullsplitter 20:16:22 CST
No it is not appropriate. Free Women do not roam around Gor trying to look sexy or appealing to Men with their flesh unless they are seeking the collar. Why should it be any different online? However, if the amount of flesh might be merely to the shoulder, as long as it is not showing any tits or cleavage, I see no problem with it.
Phen 20:16:37 CST
Well Gor is complex as is the fashions if one is repectable in dress and thought well then should be treated as such if one is wearing barely anything should then be advised that its not quiet acceptable and to adhere to an icon that will serve*SS*
Laroona 20:17:14 CST
I thought a FW of Port Kar had to be be veiled and fully covered as opposed to a FW in Ar
could be wrong though
Phen 20:17:27 CST
Damn hope My icon is acceptable Hey Im a rich Physician...
Deirdre 20:17:34 CST
*looking over at Captain Kyoto and then asking respectfully*
Why doesn't it matter, Captain? Isn't the icon an extention of the intent and protocol of a FW?
Phen 20:17:58 CST
Laroona as opposed or the same as one from AR?
~akeria~ 20:18:14 CST
akeria believes that it up to the FW and how She wishes to present Herself.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:18:24 CST
The Council has had this question raised to it, and is looking into the matter at this time.... So * I * can't give y'all an exact answer... I can tell you all *MY * opinion, and that of most of the Council I beleive.... FW Icons should reflect FW values... we do not require veils on the icons, but they sure can be there.... but if a FW wants to show skin like a slave, then maybe she would be better off in a collar instead of robes.... ????? What ??? a FW can still say she is a FW toppless and a g strig as long as she werars a veil ???? GET FRIGGEN REAL !!!!!!!!
Deirdre 20:19:16 CST
*nodding in complete agreement to Captain Rollo*
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:19:54 CST
agrees
{KUURUS}'silks~RESTRICTED 20:20:07 CST
silks is a slave and is nada permitted to show much flesh.......never permitted a nude or semi nude icon
Zoran 20:20:50 CST
I think I said this in past as a Free we make choices
but witht he chocies we must be ready for the rections if they are good or bad
so if a FW want to dress like that they must be ready for the ridcule
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:22:05 CST
Deirdre, if you're asking my opinion, then you might be surprised to know that I think there are no true free women in on-line Gor.
I think every one is simply a slut-in-waiting.
It doesn't matter what her icon shows.
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:23:15 CST
so Kyoto your saying they are all waiting for a collar ?
Zoran 20:23:26 CST
amirks at Kyoto words
Deirdre 20:23:31 CST
*smiling at Kyoto*
You are entitled to Your opinion, My Captain. That isn't the point. There ARE FW on online Gor. There are rules and protocols to be followed......and.....just for the record.......I knew You felt that way. *smiling warmly*
Tir's}koryne~restricted 20:23:38 CST
~*In agreement with Master Zoran.*~
"Seems that would be logical. As a GROWN person, they
are going ot make whatever choices they wish to, but if
they make poor ones, they should be ready for what follows.
But, like Master Kyoto said...as long as their
behavior coincides with the appropriateness of a FW,
it shouldn't/doesn't matter.
Though--Master Rollo has said, too..just because they wear
a veil doesn't see their "outfit" fit for a FW. They
should be clothed in a conservative manner, in my opinion."
leda{P} 20:23:48 CST
OMG ...*hearing MAster Kyoto's words and covering ears now*
Phen 20:23:59 CST
*Bursting out laughing at the Captains words* hey or just a Gorean without hangups?
Phen 20:25:08 CST
So wearing a Veil makes a Free Woman?
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:25:10 CST
In one sense or another, Tir. Whether public or private...
The_Skullsplitter 20:25:52 CST
Phen, try rereading it....
~akeria~ 20:26:00 CST
akeria does not believe that a veil makes a FW...it is just symbol of a FW..
Zoran 20:26:10 CST
smirks down to my slut
she knows I intice a few FW in to collars lol
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 20:26:10 CST
"No Mistress Phen, it seems Master Rollo was saying
quite the opposite...just because they slap a vein on an
icon doesn't mean anything if they are wearing a
provacative one."
Rollo_the_Ax 20:26:53 CST
In a way, this issue goes back to the other issue... in GS, the COUNCIL sets the rules, and if anybody is not willing to abide by them and follow them, then don't let the door hit your ass on the way OUT... some icon rules are set by Gary M in accordence with the law... and some are set by the Council in accordence with the way we see Gor and how we feel it should be done IN GS.... So if the Council says NO skin on FW icons, then that is how it WILL be done... quite simple really....
lara{Zor} 20:26:53 CST
smiles to her Master, oh yes, her favorite sis was a FW first...
Phen 20:26:59 CST
Thats bullshit Kyoto how can You state as such when only 3/4 of woem did become slaves on Gor and hey thats because that was the way it was...
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 20:28:15 CST
"Because He's a Man, and is entitled to what He thinks."
~*Bursts outlaughing, having known many a Man to think
all women look better in collars.*~
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:28:16 CST
3/4 is a pretty high attrition rate
~akeria~ 20:28:43 CST
if the Council set rules regarding icons then that is what needs to be followed..there is no room for discussion..its is the Council's decision
Deirdre 20:29:18 CST
Captain Rollo......Pending the Council's ruling on this issue, of course.......how would it go into effect. If a FW was caught in GS with an inappropriate icon.....what would happen?
Zoran 20:29:28 CST
listen to Phen
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:29:46 CST
I can say such a thing because it's my opinion, Phen.
And the percentage was a hell of a lot lower in the books, only 2-43% of the total population was enslaved.
And that includes men.
But I know from looking at the free women in this room that 2/3 of them have been slaves before. So, the percentages don't translate to on-line.
The_Skullsplitter 20:30:18 CST
Actually, the figure for slaves on Gor was a very small fraction Phen, BUT, I think that would be ANOTHER Topic and NOT the one we are CURRENTLY on. And besides, Kyoto probably aint far from the truth there.
~Chuckles~
Oops.
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:30:39 CST
That should be 2-3%, not 43%
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:31:40 CST
I think the free women in question, Deirdre, would get a warning, so she knows to make a change.
Phen 20:32:20 CST
3/4 out of 10
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:33:06 CST
3/4 of what, Phen?
Deirdre 20:33:14 CST
Captain Kyoto......A warning by Council? The Council would be privy to the instances of the FW in question using the inappropriate icon?
Phen 20:33:33 CST
Sorry why is it when one quotes figures the phne ring and someone nockes on the door*sorry*
Phen 20:34:22 CST
Basically Kyoto as You suggested a very low number of slaves per Fws on Gor...
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:34:47 CST
My we are all in such an argumentative mood tonight
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:35:06 CST
Shrugging as I hear Deirdre
We get tattles in mail all the time.
What would you rather see?
Rollo_the_Ax 20:35:07 CST
Deirdre.... the way I would think it would be handled is such.... Once an icon is seen as * wrong * the person would be told such, and told not to use it again... now for some folks, they have only ONE icon, so they would have to be allowed a SHORT time to get another one made for them... but for anybody with MORE than one icon, I myself would see them using the banned icon again as an open defience of the Council and they would need to be dealt with....
The_Skullsplitter 20:35:32 CST
Welcome to the Gorean Springer Show, Tir.
~Chuckles~
Phen 20:36:19 CST
Hey Tir it was three full moons the other night maybe its just the after effects...
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 20:36:21 CST
~*Chuckles at Master Skullsplitter.*~
"Amen, Master."
~segen~{HoT} 20:36:34 CST
~segen bites her lip not to chuckle as she ehrs her Jarl~
Deirdre 20:36:40 CST
*hearing Captain Rollo's explanation and nodding*
That sounds fair.
Captain Kyoto......I really didn't know. I was asking sincerely. I wanted to know what Council might do.
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:36:49 CST
Exactly, Phen, but as you can see by this very room, that percentage doesn't translate. There are 20 people here and 10 are slaves.
butterfly{Tir} 20:36:50 CST
*grins at Jarl Skullsplitter*
leda{P} 20:38:06 CST
tis the full moon Master Tir ...*wink*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:38:15 CST
Oh yeah ??? well my cousins brothers wifes uncle said it was okay to marry his goat........ oh wait, now that WOULD be a Springer show........LOL....LOL...
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 20:38:28 CST
"Actually Master Kyoto, I counted 11 slaves, so it
woudl seem even MROE than half... Which like You stated
is quite different from the books
Zoran 20:38:51 CST
10 11 soon
Just kidding lol
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:39:21 CST
* quietly sings I am My own grandpa
galah{GS} 20:39:21 CST
and today could be a changing day in your life....heheheheheeeee heheheheheee
Zoran 20:39:33 CST
goat dam Austrilai is weird LOl
butterfly{Tir} 20:39:47 CST
*laughing*
galah{GS} 20:39:59 CST
ooops, wrong show hehehehehee
Deirdre 20:40:03 CST
*remaining silent on the Springer issue.....though.......remembering that I actually have kinfolk who have tried to GET on the Springer show......and just might make it in the future*
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 20:40:48 CST
~*Groans at my typos and decides to check better.*~
"but anywho. What is being said the overall answer to
the topic is?
They should be covered modestly...and if Council
sees something going against that...they give warning...?"
~segen~{HoT} 20:41:14 CST
~looking to Mistress Deirdre and giggling~
Did they get turned down because they were NOT kinky enough to get on, or because they were TOO kinky to get on??
butterfly{Tir} 20:41:15 CST
Mistress Deirdre, might butterfly whisper to You for a moment, please?
Deirdre 20:42:16 CST
*looking at segen*
Hmmmmm.........good question. I'm really not sure. *grinning*
*nodding to butterfly*
Phen 20:42:25 CST
Thats Warrioe Phil isnt it galah~winking then looking around the room~ Zoran You have to be kidding We are the sane ones really*SS*
{KUURUS}'silks~RESTRICTED 20:43:00 CST
silks with bits n fits feeling forum is really over.....silks to wish all well indeed
Rollo_the_Ax 20:43:16 CST
On line Gor always has been only a shadow of the books... anybody that says differently has had their head so far up their butt they have not seen the sun in a LONG time... just like the number of slaves.... the number or percentage of warriors is way out of line... so ??? do we tell all the new guys for the next few years that they have to become fishermen, or dock workers ??? peasants out in the fields ????
Xertog 20:43:29 CST
A reminder for everyone:
The following Protocols and Rules are to be followed in all future forums at soon as the forum is called to order, this is allow a free flowing forum.
1) All greetings and chatting, and other actions is to be held to a minimum. Those can be made in PM's;
http://www.angelfire.com/vt/goreanshores/gsinfo/forumprotocols.html
Zoran 20:43:41 CST
lol I don't know I saw a spcial you guys are afriad of toads lol
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:44:39 CST
I vote for peasants.
Or we could have them draw jobs from a hat.
Phen 20:45:03 CST
Not at all Captain just hope the same is noted and Free Women get the same respect...
The_Skullsplitter 20:45:18 CST
I'm happy being a poor Farmer from the North.
~Grins~
Zoran 20:45:41 CST
lol at the Captian hat idea
{Tir's}koryne~restricted 20:45:55 CST
~*Slips out quietly, per her Master's permission.*~
Phen 20:46:10 CST
Zoran You have to be kidding pnly thing we are afraid about toads is we cant kill them quick enough to save our natural wildlife*wink*
Zoran 20:46:20 CST
ehhhh poor such a harsh word
the merchant sits back
Laroona 20:47:22 CST
what is the topic again?
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:47:55 CST
I'd be happy to help you guys with the toads.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:49:55 CST
Phen... to put it none to tactfully or maybe just as plainly as it SHOULD be said...... RESPECT is NOT a thing that you get because you are due it..... RESPECT is a thing that you EARN !!!!!! to be due respect, one needs to show it and earn it first...... quite simple ...in My opinion....
segen~{HoT} 20:50:21 CST
~applauds Jarl Rollo's words~
Phen 20:53:19 CST
Well sorry Captain used the wrong word Mybe acceptance is the word I should have used...Again A Man enters and gets respect yet a Free Wman has to fight left right and centre just to be acknoweldge fine...
SCRIBING AT FORUMS
Rollo_the_Ax 20:52:31 CST
I have one more issue or idea to throw out there, folks....
Rollo_the_Ax 20:56:46 CST
I have always lived by the idea that I would not ask anybody else to do something that I was not willing or able to do MYSELF if possible...... and we have had and will continue to have problems with the forum notes and only a VERY small few folks working on them... So, how about this ????? for the next few weeks, NOBODY will worry about forum notes.... if folks are not willing to put in the effort to BE HERE to take part, they miss out.... then everybody that DOES come, can take part and not need to work their ass off keeping notes ....... Sound like a plan to anybody else ????????
Deirdre 20:59:03 CST
Captain Rollo.......I think that is a VERY good plan. Very good indeed.
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:59:12 CST
Sounds like a plan. And if anyone finds a point is particularly relevent to themselves, they can save it on their own.
segen~{HoT} 20:59:42 CST
Jarl Rollo...to be quite honest not everyone is ABLE to be here, not just an issue of willingness to attend. It has been easier since it was Sundays, on Mondays i was working or at school all day..i couldn't come.
Although i can understand the sentiment...
Laroona 21:00:28 CST
Captain Rollo
I do not mind doing the notes
'but I have been C&Ping for a few weeks now
I think even some sharing and hour each week say 2 people
is not impossible
BUT I am getting angry at having to sift and sort through actions and greetings
no matter how many times people are asked openly and in whispers it is the same shit every week
galah{GS} 21:00:40 CST
or have a friend save the highpoints for someone if they can't be here?
Phen 21:00:53 CST
I agree too Captain*SS*
leda{P} 21:03:18 CST
if someone would show the girl to c&p and have it all in order leda would take notes in Forum ..
galah{GS} 21:03:24 CST
i for one found the joking about the Springer show was a good thing to lighten the mood in here, was getting abit stiffling and a few ppl had already left.....even though it was abit off topic, we should be able to make the forum a good time? imo **shrugs softly**
Rollo_the_Ax 21:04:34 CST
That is EXACTLY the point, Laroona.... nobody else has to DO all of that work, so that don't give a DAMN.... so let them make their OWN arrangements.... just like back in school... if you are going to miss a lecture, you either get a FRIEND to take notes for you, or you miss out.... So LET THEM miss out for a while, and see if you end up getting some help ???? if not... STUFF UM !!!!
Laroona 21:05:56 CST
well it will be a welcome break
as my RT could change so yes let ppl do it for themselves
Phen 21:07:19 CST
Exactly galah if we cant joke and laugh what is left for this family...sorry I dont even understand why some one has to c&p it all any way to me thats negative is placing too much on one person and stopping discussions at another level...No one needs to ask hey waht happened at the forum and if they do their told well go and read it....
Rollo_the_Ax 21:09:11 CST
and I understand and except that segen...... but in the end, is it fair to always expect Laroona and maybe a couple other girls to do ALL of the work, ALL of the time ???? If at forum, some new rule is made, it is posted on the message board on home page... so everybody gets to see it anyway.... so if anybody misses the forum, it is like any other thing.... if you can't be there, you can't be there
The_Skullsplitter 21:10:49 CST
Well thankyou for the Forum Rollo and for Scribing Laroona, I have a brief RT to attend to, be well all.
Laroona 21:11:24 CST
For information purposes
the average C&P ends up after any editing of Ip addresses etc is 20 plus pages
Rollo_the_Ax 21:11:54 CST
EXACTLY, Laroona...... anybody wants to piss and whinge about no forum notes ???? LET THEM.... it is a sad commentary on human behavior, but it is TRUE.... the more you do for others, the more they EXPECT you to do for them... and the LESS they appreciate it also....
segen~{HoT} 21:12:13 CST
Jarl Rollo...no, i don't believe it's fair..my comment honestly was just to the fact that it's not always something we can help that keeps us from the forum. In truth i think Your idea is fine. When i didn't come it was because i couldn't but i've also been around and left when i thought i couldn't handle being in a Forum and handle myself well and if i couldn't be here, then it was my problem, no one elses to deal with ~nodding~
galah{GS} 21:12:42 CST
**claps enthusiastically for Master Rollo's words before she scoots out to fix him some food**
Phen 21:13:59 CST
Hey look Im hard up even posting in a room let alone copying My skills and I suppose others lay elswhere too where i will help to know end just dont like feeling singled out cause I cant c&p pages...
Laroona 21:15:03 CST
Phen every post as humanly possible is saved in time stamp order
Phen 21:16:13 CST
Laroona as I just said Lady I have no idea and have no idea what time stamp order means at all...So Im to be condemend for not helping out here?
Rollo_the_Ax 21:17:20 CST
LOL...LOL... and she said the MAGIC word also...... ** FOOD ** LOL...LOL.. y'all can call me most anything... except late for dinner....LOL....LOL.... So I think it time to call this weeks forum to a close.... Thanks to all for taking part... and Laroona, please take you time and DON'T worry about these last notes too much... okay ???
Laroona 21:18:22 CST
No one is condemning anyone
Deirdre 21:18:20 CST
Thank You for moderating again, Captain Rollo. Thank You Laroona for scribing. *S*
Phen 21:18:28 CST
Be well Captain and thank You for holding the forum...
Be well galah*SS*