topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:13:45 CST gets out the rence papers and writing implement...settling quietly, so as to be ready once Master Rollo calls forum open
Rollo_the_Ax 19:14:01 CST Looking to Elektra........ By ALL means you are welcome here at the forums, Elektra.... whatever went on at the other forum about whom should be here and who should NOT was nonsense... the GS forum is open to ALL that wish to come.... man, woman, free, slave, pledged to GS or not......... EVERYBODY is WELCOME ........
Rollo_the_Ax 19:17:57 CST So saying, and looking at the time..... " I want to welcome all to this weeks GS forum..... same rules as always.... I think everybody here knows how they work.....LOL... So.... lets begin...... does anybody have a question or topic they wish discussed ????
Rollo_the_Ax 19:23:23 CST Okay folks, we have our first topic.... " If a FW is captured and "begs the alternative", is the captor required to grant the alternative? (death)
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 19:25:56 CST I do not think they should ask for death. I am sure a ransom can be worked out
Rollo_the_Ax 19:26:20 CST We have a couple more in line, so don't worry, folks....LOL... we will have plenty to keep us going tonight/today....LOL...
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:26:27 CST nay, topaz does not think so, as the Master rules, period, tis His choice to decide what to do period in all things
Elektra 19:26:57 CST What if ransom is never mentioned?
desiree{Algernon} 19:27:16 CST ~not being a FW so therefore not understanding why death would be preferable...thinking that the FM would ultimately decide the FW fate
whatever He chose to do with the capture FW should be His choice
galah{RA} 19:27:57 CST agrees with paz **nods** IF a Master decides to grant her that wish...but not required
Laroona 19:28:45 CST if death is the alternative to slavery, then she has the right to ask, but if it is granted then that is another issue...
Rollo_the_Ax 19:29:04 CST In the books.... yes, there were many times that FW were captured and held in a quasi captured state..... and offered back to family * untouched * for ransom....
Elektra 19:30:36 CST In the books, most of the women captured were not FCed. I wondered specifically if a woman who is FCed has the right to ask for the alternative if no ransom is mentioned?
Rollo_the_Ax 19:32:10 CST Now, if the * choice * was a firm part of the Codes of the Warrior caste is never made clear, but it was an excepted point of honor as far as I can remember for the warrior to offer the FW the choice......
Laroona 19:32:56 CST It is my understanding from the question, that a FW is captured....
therefore my answer relies on her alternatives, death or slaver,,,, but the final answer would be that of the captor *S*
galah{RA} 19:34:02 CST that rises an interesting thing to ponder....if the FW was FCéd or even in Port Kar, a Mans woman, and another Man found the woman to be deserving of a collar, then what? would a Master just do so, or would he call upon the woman’s Man to do so?
Elektra 19:34:07 CST ~*Nods quietly*~
I seem to recall that if a FW who submits herself to a particular man is rejected by the man, he simply kills her. I couldn't remember about the captured women.
Rollo_the_Ax 19:34:43 CST I don't think that the FW being FC'ed or not was even a determining factor.... the rule of thumb or excepted practice was that once captured, the woman was offered the choice.... submit fully, or be killed ????? no * middle ground * ........
Laroona 19:35:08 CST wowwww galah you sure complicating things now *laughing*
galah{RA} 19:35:46 CST i know if some Master decided to collar a FW that had a Man for her protection, you know what would hit the fan in GS? heheheheheee hehehehehee
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 19:36:33 CST LOL....good one galah!!
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 19:36:47 CST listens
i personally don't believe that there is a middle ground either.....nor should there be.....a FW is only Free....and alive because Men chose to allow them as such
~*Elektra*~ 19:37:46 CST ~*grins*~
I would hope that no FM would be foolish enough to want to go up against Harkon, but there are fools who might try...
galah{RA} 19:38:34 CST this leads to those differences between books and online....same thing would hit the fan if a Master was to beat someone else’s slave, but in the books it would of happened **shrugs**
Laroona 19:38:43 CST It is my understanding that any capture, face stripping of any FW in GS, is ruled on by the Captains, therefore the ruling would then be valid and unquestionable *S*
~*Elektra*~ 19:38:58 CST So, if a FW were captured and did not submit, she could be killed? That is good!
~*Smiles widely, dark eyes gleaming*~
Rollo_the_Ax 19:39:03 CST It is a matter for much consideration.... I means lets face it, the action was really designed to force the FW to accept her slavery... it is only natural for almost every person to choose to live rather than freely choose death...... so to My thinking, the plan was to start the FW down the right path into her slavery right from the start....
~*Elektra*~ 19:41:20 CST Maybe some FW would prefer to die than to be slave. ~*said quietly*~
Some birds are not meant to be caged, Rollo
Rollo_the_Ax 19:41:51 CST In the end, the matter also depends entirely on the personal codes or honor of the one doing the * capture * also...... not everybody may see things the exact same way...... but to MY way of understanding the codes, it should be offered ANY captured FW......
Laroona 19:42:20 CST I personally know what choice I would take, but that is me *S*
Tal Rast ltns old friend *S*
galah{RA} 19:42:43 CST could lead to another question....dealing strictly with onlinism this time....if a FW chose death and was granted such, would she return as a new FW?
Emerald's~Mariposa~ 19:42:48 CST Reflecting on what is posted so far, I've written and deleted three times my thoughts on the subject, and am still uncertain whether or not to voice my feelings on the subject... but please know, there are thoughts Rollo, that death might be a welcome alternative.. depending of course on several factors
Laroona 19:43:46 CST *chuckles*
galah many re-incarnate so I suppose they would LOL
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 19:43:57 CST hears galah
perhaps....but perhaps that FW....would come back as a slave....to save the dignity of the character
Emerald's~Mariposa~ 19:44:56 CST and what of those days when GS has offered a Get Into Gor Free Card.. welcoming anyone back.. does that preclude murdered FW?
Rollo_the_Ax 19:45:05 CST LOL...LOL... NO need to explain the concept to THIS old dog, Lady Elektra........ I swore to myself LONG ago in RT that I would eat a bullet or grenade rather that be taken POW...... some don't think so .... and that is fine ....for them........
~*Elektra*~ 19:45:07 CST ~*Shakes my head*~
Not me. I decided long ago that if I died, I would not reinvent myself and return to Gor under a different persona. I know that it resurrection is common, but to me it is not the right way. I may change my mind about this, but I don't think so.
galah{RA} 19:46:16 CST but tav, if she chose death instead of slavehood, then why would she come back as a slave? **furrowed brows of confusion** many do come back as new characters, guess that is a personal decision many come to terms with?
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 19:47:08 CST Well I would not allow a FW to kill herself. The only reason I would capture one is for a ransom and a good roleplay. I may make her serve me food and drink and do a lil cleaning, but she would remain in FW clothing
Laroona 19:47:32 CST I would think long and hard like Ele if I would return, again it would be matter of personal decision I would make
Zoran 19:48:04 CST LOl your too nice Blade
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 19:48:53 CST galah....okay....per say....as just an example....Mistress Elektra....decided...((now Kashna i know it will never happen...*laughs*))....she wanted to be a slave....BUT...it would go against....everything Elektra stood for....she may....work out a roleplay....that she was given the decision.....slavery or die....One of her pride and honor wouldn't allow slavery....and would choose death....then per sa...come back....and start new....as a slave.....but Elektra's "legacy" would live on....and with honor....dying what she was...a FW
Emerald's~Mariposa~ 19:49:00 CST and I wonder what type of role playing you would have in mind Blade? ...of course, if cleaning is one of those role plays, I'm sure there are many a free woman who would end up dead after your disappointment in their lack of success.. I know cleaning is not one of my talent areas.. lol, for good reason
galah{RA} 19:49:35 CST i think many take gor as a game, a dungeon & dragon kinda thing....its like okay, sword fight, i die, tomorrow i will be a new Master...some don't think of it as a game at all
**looking to her Master**
Rollo_the_Ax 19:49:38 CST THAT galah is one of the constant factors that make on-line Gor so difficult to deal with...... it is just SO DAMNED EASY for ANYBODY to die/get killed, or what ever...... and presto chango, they come back in a few days with a NEW name or persona......... ** shakes My bald head.... the levels of belief or dedication differ greatly among people......
Laroona 19:49:55 CST Blade why not enslave her, if she is only to act like a slave to you?
Emerald's~Mariposa~ 19:50:37 CST now see if I were to come back.. I would come back with bigger lungs!!!!
Laroona 19:52:01 CST darn hard cleaning with all these robes on LOL
galah{RA} 19:52:27 CST heheheheheee **laughs at Mistress Mariposa's comment** and gal would have smaller lungs Mistress hehehehehee heheheheheeee
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 19:52:48 CST Master Rollo....now my question....if a slave or FW would get killed...or a FW would choose such.....then come back....as another slave or FW.....don't You think that would kinda be an honor to GS....that....that person...liked GS so much....to start a new character here all over again....because i know anything ever happens to tavelia....i would sure hope i would be welcome....to come back to the place i call home
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 19:53:31 CST ~Laughing at Mari~
Well by the rules here if you die in GS you can not come back even under a new name. If I am remember correctly. That is why I would not allow a FW to kill her self if I captured her.
Rollo_the_Ax 19:53:33 CST The * GAME * factor has always been a sore point with ME, personally......
Zoran 19:56:55 CST I should be simple if you die here your game is over
there are now bonus lifes here LOL
Laroona 19:56:57 CST Zoran and I would not be in that situation, believe me I would take the alternative of death if captured!!!!
galah{RA} 19:57:02 CST i think the hardest thing to dying online gor, would be the broken heart, gor has always pulled me back time after time, many times was going to leave it behind and just found i couldn't do so, its such a part of my life, so if i was killed, i would struggle hard with what to do
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 19:57:57 CST Laroona I so not mean she would have to serve or clean all the time while captured. What I mean by clean is pick up tankards and bowls. Server food and drink and clean when no slave is about.
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 19:58:05 CST Master Zoran....if a slave or FW would kill themselves....i agree....they shouldn't be allowed....but say...GS is raided....or the slave is travelling someplace in Port Kar.....and something happens out of her control that she is killed???
Zoran 19:58:19 CST winks to Lar I can tell that of you
Laroona 19:59:22 CST Blade you can dream LOL
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 19:59:52 CST Well Laroona we are just talking about FW so I am just keeping the death to FW and not everyone
Zoran 20:00:31 CST as in life situation happen
it the same here just because it was sudden and shocking as long as it seen as dead your dead
Laroona 20:00:51 CST Blade with all respect, that is against the codes spoke of earlier *S*
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:01:42 CST Master Zoran....i agree...that character would be dead....but the person behind the character isn't....so why shouldn't it be permitted....if that person wishes to come back to GS and start again???....
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:02:44 CST What code. I may have been uploading icons for a couple of people at the time and missed it.
Emerald's~Mariposa~ 20:03:21 CST Not beneath my dignity Elektra, just not something I am overly skilled in... unfortunately, obviously I admire women with such strengths.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:03:40 CST tavelia.... the fact that the person likes or loves GS is beside the point.... and to be truthful, there would be only a VERY FEW cases where the person MIGHT have been killed or died in questionable ways that would be allowed to * come back * to life without a sigma....
Zoran 20:04:17 CST tav from what I understand that not permitted wonder if the captains could clarify if once you dead your dead here or can you come back in different character
~*Elektra*~ 20:05:20 CST ~*Nods quietly*~
I just wondered. I have been criticized for serving guests in my home, but I didn't own slaves at the time. I do not feel it is beneath me. I don't want to starve or live in a pigsty, after all. I just look at it as work that needs to get done so that I may live well.
lara{Zor} 20:05:41 CST this doesnt think she could ever come back as anything but lara...she could never play a different character...she has been lara so long and grown to be this way
Zoran 20:06:05 CST well said Rollo
galah{RA} 20:07:17 CST i have seen fw serve, and they serve differently than a slave of course....but if there isn't enough slaves around to serve all, isn't that just called courtesy? Hehehehee
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:07:36 CST From what I was told it was to keep the dead trouble makers from coming back under a new name and starting the same trouble that got them killed. But that was what I was told when I first came here 5 or 6 years ago
Rollo_the_Ax 20:08:03 CST tavelia, in such a case where anybody is killed or such in any place other than GS, the Council has the final say on whether the death or action is accepted or binding IN GS.... if some wanker in a different site or room killed a slave, FW, or anybody ... and the Council decided that the action was out of place, we would simply judge it so and move on.... and the person would be still alive here, in GS........
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:08:04 CST Mistress Elektra, many Free Women here serve masters in GS if no slaves are about.. *smiles softly,*....to topaz that is simple courtesy!
Zoran 20:08:12 CST I see nothing wrong with a FW serving as the serve is different from a slave from what I have seen
galah{RA} 20:08:41 CST is there any free men that would consider a FW serving drinks as acting in a slavelike manner?
Laroona 20:09:28 CST LOL I have served when all the slaves are busy... or none are around... it is no where near as graceful as a slaves
I consider it to be proper to offer a guest in my home refreshments, so why not Gor *S*
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:09:55 CST Ele I remember having you serve me and I even said you would make a good paga tavern slave and I still think that ~LOL~
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:12:01 CST Master Zoran....i was wondering the same thing....
Master Rollo....so a person could not come back to GS if they were ruled dead.....would they be banned....or just ISP watched for??
~*Elektra*~ 20:12:40 CST I myself did not think it was a big deal since the way I serve beverages and food is very different than a slave would serve them. To me, it is like several of you have said, a common courtesy.
Zoran 20:12:50 CST I would not see it save like as long as there serve was not slave like wonders if that makes sense
galah{RA} 20:15:36 CST have even seen a Master fetch his own drink....that certainly does not make him slave like....but then its very rough done, guess it would depend on how a FW served the drinks?
Rollo_the_Ax 20:15:53 CST LOL...LOL... some times, the way some folks look at simple acts make me wonder just how tightly their heads are screwed onto their necks ?????? The act of serving being a sign of weakness ????? doing ANYTHING that needs done makes one a lesser person ????? * I * have always considered it a SIMPLE fact of life that if something....ANYTHING... needs done.... then how can it be wrong for any person to do it ??? LEAD by example.... I have never, and would never ask another person to do ANYTHING that I was not willing to do MYSELF.... get a drink, fight a battle, or shovel shit.... some do it better, and some worse.... but for ANY person think they are superior in some way, or too damned good/powerful/rich/famous/ or whatever is a friggen JOKE......
Laroona 20:16:03 CST Zoran I agree though some may think it slavelike to serve *S*
Zoran 20:16:17 CST LOL Kovak always goes in and get his own lol
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:16:58 CST laughs she hears galah!!
aye sis, if Master Kovak is about do NOT let Him serve Himself...LOL….takes a slave hours to clean up after His mess he leaves....laughing
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:17:11 CST galah...i agree...it doesn't make the Master slavelike to serve Himself.....i have seen FW serve....and they are precise and to the point....at least some of them....chuckles....i hardly ever seen a sensual or taunting serve from a FW.....it was always done with grace....and the FW's own style
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:18:16 CST I have gotten my own drink many times in the tavern as well.
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:18:25 CST well said Rollo.. I have seen Rast and Thorfinn both come in.. walk straight to chillery.. pull out a keg.. break it open.. pass out a few bowls and say have at it.. LOL.. even done that a few times Myself... not many.. since costs Me a bit more.. LOL
Rast_Dulan 20:19:10 CST An old saying...but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do...
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:19:48 CST grins as she hears Her Master.....
Rollo_the_Ax 20:20:05 CST I have found, tavelia, that when it comes to VT life or chat rooms/ role play rooms, that often many things are never FOREVER...... but yes, unless the person in question petitioned the Council for some special dispensation, they would remain DEAD and there for unable to return......
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:20:16 CST I even got a guest a drink before when there was no slaves about. Hell if it gets the person to come back then I have done my job. No need to sit there and drink in front of him. ~L~
~*Elektra*~ 20:21:36 CST ~*Shudders remembering the last time Harkon was in my kitchen...like a bull in a china shop it was...the destruction! The horror!*~
Rollo_the_Ax 20:21:52 CST Okay folks... lets move on to another topic, okay ????
"" Does a Gorean Man need to own a slave in order to be considered a Gorean Master? ""
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:22:21 CST her head tilts
Master Rollo....in my opinion....which i know isn't worth much...chuckles...i don't feel that is very fair....i know Gor is harsh....but....all of these slaves have been here for a long time.....and have put so much into GS....so have the Men and FW....they devoted hours upon hours over years.....i think....personally....would be a damn good reason to let them come back
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:22:39 CST Elektra was it not Your kitchen that was thrashed by two FM that didn't know where anything were here say a a few months back.. LOL
galah{RA} 20:22:50 CST nope heheheheeeee i don't think so....not all Masters in the books owned slaves
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:22:53 CST I was going to have a handle made to just strap it to a keg for Harkon ~LOL~
Rast_Dulan 20:23:23 CST Seems to me a Gorean male living within too many rules and worrying too much about what other people think is a bit of an oxy moron...
Goreans do what the want...take what they want...
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:23:44 CST NAY!!...no way Master Rollo!!....grins as she realizes she feels so strongly on that... a true Master is a Master, he needs own no slave to make Him what He is!!....as a matter of fact, topaz has seen a couple of Masters topaz respected with no slaves, as they felt they had not found one who was true kajira at heart, and not online only to play games and cyber.....
galah{RA} 20:24:12 CST but tav...why would a slave that had been here for sooooooo very long be killed in the first place?
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:24:31 CST I don't think so Rollo.. shouldn't make a difference what so ever..
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:24:46 CST Master Rollo....no...i don't believe a Man has to have a slave to be considered a Gorean Master....Gor is a Man's world....whether He owns a slave...or not...He is...just that to any slave...a Master....i have seen many Men in my years of Gor....that didn't own any slave....and some that owned 10 or more.....did that make Him any less a Master in my eyes....of course not....because it isn't whether a Master owns slaves...it is about His actions with slaves....if He acts like a Gorean Master....to me...He is a Gorean Master
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:24:48 CST No a FM does not need slaves to be classed a Gorean Master. He is a Gorean Master by his actions.
Laroona 20:25:17 CST There are many who do not own slaves, and it does not make them any less Gorean and Males.... so there is no need to own a slave to be Gorean IMO
Rast_Dulan 20:25:42 CST Listening to the slaves responses...
Rollo_the_Ax 20:25:49 CST The simple answer to this topic is NO.... in the books, and also in on-line rooms, ANY free man is called Master by ANY slave.... end of story......
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:26:36 CST galah....sometimes those things happened....no slave....c/t or not....is exempt from death...if it is considered valid.....a slave that has been here for years....could be killed at the whim of any Man....granted....9 times out of 10 it won't happen....but just seeking clarification.....because you never know
Dak 20:27:43 CST according to the books, any FM was a Master regardless, and could command slaves
Zoran 20:28:15 CST nods to Rollo simple awnser for a simple question
galah{RA} 20:28:33 CST tav, am sure that if a long time slave was here and some stranger came in and killed her just for the sake of doing so, the council would consider it invalid anyway....slaves here know there place and ain't gonna risk death by doing something bad enough to be put to death for
galah{RA} 20:30:01 CST gal use to train slaves, one of the big points was to serve like your life depended on it, for it does!!!!!
Rollo_the_Ax 20:30:32 CST the thing to remember here folks, without trying to put too fine a point on the matter is that the title * Master * is just that, a title given to EVERY free man... that doesn't make EVERY man a * MASTER *........ in the true sense of the word.... titles and ranks are given ..... RESPECT and ability or earned and learned......
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:30:46 CST galah...i am not talking about just by some unknown person.....but raids are possible...from other FM of different sites.....and if the raid is done...valid and to the rules of GS....and a slave is killed or taken.....the ruling would then be valid....if the Council decided it that way....i know i would never risk death.....but there are some things....that do happen.....i just was seeking clarification of the rule...for my own understanding
galah{RA} 20:30:54 CST and i'm sure the teachings haven't changed that much
Laroona 20:31:10 CST well said Captain Rollo *S*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:31:25 CST well said Master Rollo!!!!!
galah{RA} 20:32:22 CST okay tav, good point....but never seen it happen in all these years that i have been around
Zoran 20:32:28 CST agree with Rollo
All are Masters but respect is earned
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:33:27 CST smiles at galah
i have seen it many times....just not here in GS since i have been here....if i don't understand something....i can't explain it to others....chuckles
Rollo_the_Ax 20:35:38 CST Okay.... one last topic before time gets away from us....
** What is the correct procedure of serving 1 FM and 2 FW? The FM orders, drinks for all, but does not specify who to serve first. ** ??
galah{RA} 20:35:45 CST tav, but is that kinda stuff done other places cause they don't have the same rule as GS? i know in jag, its accepted to be many characters if one wants, its allowed to start over
galah{RA} 20:36:29 CST therefore, those sites have lil regard for life?
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:37:02 CST well, topaz thinks, tis usual to always serve the Master first, however, she always makes sure of His desires as she returns with the orders, on her way back she asks...
"Master, would You care for topaz to serve You first, or the Ladies?"
now a days, she is most careful and asks everything...chuckles
tassa{Hawk}~t 20:37:17 CST the correct protocol is to serve the Fm first,
UNLESS, the slave has been directed to serve the FW first...
clover{GS} 20:37:22 CST a girl serves a Master first unless instructed other wise by Him
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:37:28 CST Masters are always served first....unless given special request to the slave to serve the FW first
Blade~xXx~Advisor~Warrior~ 20:37:42 CST I think it would be the FM first
Zoran 20:37:50 CST well that is easy if a captain or advisor them first them the other FM then FW from what I know
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:37:53 CST I can only answer that for Me.. Rollo.. and it makes no difference FW or FM.. but if I buy the drink and order it.. the slave better serve the other Two before Me.. I would be last
lara{Zor} 20:38:47 CST this one always ask cause different Master want to be served first and some last
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:39:10 CST topaz's rule is...never assume anything....grins at Mistress Laroona
Laroona 20:39:47 CST If ever in doubt a slave can ask respectfully especially if the slave is new.... *S*
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:40:09 CST and that is also how I have tassa do it.. I have trained her to the One that ordered.. be served last.. til told otherwise..
galah{RA} 20:40:15 CST that Master Hawk would go against everything i had been taught and learned
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:40:33 CST galah....you are right....i was on jag for many years before i ever came to GS....and have the same character i started with...would i be heartbroken if tavelia got killed.....yes...i put alot of time....and energy to get her the slave she is today.....would i eventually want to start over.....yes....but not right away...but after some time off.....i would love to come back....to GS....and build my characters life....and devote my time all over again....here....
Rollo_the_Ax 20:40:55 CST To My thinking about this type of serve, the Man would be served first, then I guess you could toss a coin to see which FW gets her drink first....LOL....no, seriously, the man would be served first, UNLESS he ordered it differently...... as for the order of which FW gets second and third serve ???? unless the slave was told any specific order, how could she be questioned on why she did it so ?????
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:43:01 CST then so be it galah.. it would go against what you were taught.. cuz I see Me buying the drink.. or ordering.. would be My gift to whomever.
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:43:58 CST listens to Master Rollo
well perhaps it could be...done as in such as greeting order....if one of the FW were of GS.....they should be served first....and the visiting FW served last.....
a slave can be questioned....on anything the Free desire.....perhaps that slave....has a reason....or perhaps....they just served.....and have no reason for doing such....but a slave can always be asked
Laroona 20:44:32 CST It is drummed into all that Men rule Gor, females are here at the grace of men... so serving the FM first then the FW... then move back to the FM as one is in his serve til ordered otherwise *S*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:44:44 CST ShadowHawk, that would be the in RT, it is only good manners....but on-line, the slaves are trained to serve ANY man before a woman....so the slave should not be punished for doing as she was trained...... unless told to do it differently at the time......
galah{RA} 20:45:08 CST Master Hawk, as the other slaves have said, to be safest, one would ask what order to serve, but if the free are busy chatting and one don't wanna interrupt, then a girl surely wouldn't wish to be punished for serving the only way she has been taught
~*Elektra*~ 20:46:24 CST I always expect that FM will be served before FW
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:48:05 CST I had not said I would punish the slave.. but would give instruction.. to take care of the FM or FW first.. is how I would do.. like I said.. I can only answer for Myself, Rollo.. no others.. and not cuz of manners.. but cuz it is a gift frm Me... nothing more.. nothing less.. and unless told to do otherwise.. like You said.. tassa would do it in that way.. for that is the way I have her doing it.. so for her to be punished for it.. would be the same Rollo.. tis what I want from Mine.. so who can punish her for her doing according to My wishes?
Rollo_the_Ax 20:48:44 CST LOL...LOL.... as long as everybody gets their drink or food in the end, what does it matter if one FW gets first or last service ?????? LOL... is anybody that insecure that it matters if another gets their pretend drink before they do ?????? Lets get REAL here folks......
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:49:32 CST *chuckles*.. My point exactly galah.. for I know where this question derived from.. and I am stressing that point exactly galah.. *winks, smiling*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:51:09 CST the slave can't, or should not be punished if they are following orders......that is a given.... but it is also a given that in GS, unless told to do it differently, a slave will serve the MAN/Men first, then the FW........ Okay ???
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:51:20 CST lol.. exactly Rollo.. My thoughts exactly.. not only that.. but why would I waste opportunity to keep the slave to Myself.. whether Mine or whomever?.. hehehe.. I get served last.. others are cared for and can remain at My feet.. lap.. or whereever.. *veg*
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:51:44 CST understood Master Rollo...nods nods
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:52:53 CST even if they are told to otherwise by their Masters, Rollo?
Laroona 20:52:54 CST The slaves of GS are taught how to serve one way and now it seems those are being tossed out the window *shrugs*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 20:53:46 CST agrees Master Rollo, but topaz still asks to make sure she does as the master wishes....chuckles
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 20:54:04 CST Mistress Laroona....i believe what He is saying is....that unless the slave is told otherwise by the Master.....they will follow the rule and serve FM first then FW
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:55:24 CST *shrugging*.. kind of like first and third person talk, eh?.. *chuckles*
Laroona 20:56:29 CST I think I said earlier,,,, serve the FM first, then the FW and then return to the FM as that is who slave is in service to... *S*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:56:51 CST Hawk ???? If what I said has not clear, I meant that every slave should follow the set rules for GS UNLESS they have been ordered to do differently by their Master.... a private slave follows the wishes of her Master.... GS slaves do it the way the Council says...... Okay ????
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 20:57:42 CST *nods*.. then it is clarified.. agreed..
~*Elektra*~ 20:58:12 CST I always make it a point to release a slave after she has served me so that the FM may have the slave's attention.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:58:41 CST unlesws= unless.... damned fingers......LOL..
tassa{Hawk}~t 20:59:15 CST nodding...that's exactly what Master Hawk said Master Rollo... tassa has been ordered by Master Hawk to always serve the FW first, the FM last...that's what tassa did, and when asked WHY she did it, she explained that those are her Masters wishes, that's the way He told tassa to serve...now it's being questioned in forum. did tassa screw up?? well, the way she sees it, she was following her Masters instructions...*shrugs*..if that is a punishable offence, then tassa will take that punishment
Laroona 20:59:55 CST *chuckles* of course it still comes down to Owner(s) have the final say no matter what over his/her slave *S*
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:02:26 CST well done tassa...a slave always follows her Master's orders...smiles at her and winks...BUT as a trainer, topaz hopes tassa teaches her trainees, that tis the FM who get served first, unless otherwise specified...
~*Elektra*~ 21:03:16 CST ~*listens intently*~
galah{RA} 21:03:28 CST do as i say, but not as i do? heheheheheee heheheeee
Rollo_the_Ax 21:04:00 CST tassa.... to my knowledge, the question had nothing to deal with you or your Master personally...... it was asked as a general question..... and like said, as long as you follow the orders of your Master, you should have nothing to fear.... if the time comes that it becomes a major factor, the Council can always work things out with your Master...... but it should not ever come to that....
tassa{Hawk}~t 21:04:03 CST oh, aye miss paz, tassa was very careful to state, while serving, that though the FM usually gets served first, she would serve the FW first as per her Masters wishes...
tassa{Hawk}~t 21:05:24 CST *hearing all the comments and tossing her hands in the air*
damned if i do, damned if i don't..
tassa wishes A/all well this night, she's too exasperated with r/t to worry about the small stuff tonight
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:05:54 CST winks at the beauty...good tassa!
~*Elektra*~ 21:06:27 CST ~*Raises an eyebrow and watches the girl leave in a huff*~
galah{RA} 21:06:50 CST guess i shouldn't have joked with her tonight? **shrugs**
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:06:51 CST huh????....seeing tassa's words and her poof
Rollo_the_Ax 21:09:31 CST Well folks...... shall we call it a day/night ????
Hawk_Warrior_of_GS 21:10:18 CST Rollo.. I assure You.. it will never ..... get that far.. *nods firmly*
Rollo_the_Ax 21:10:27 CST ????????? did I miss something there ????
topaz-{Rast's_girl}_GSFG 21:10:33 CST smiles as she hears Master Rollo, and sets aside the rence papers, allowing her cramped fingers to stretch
topaz thanks You Master Rollo for once again hosting a great forum!!.....*smiles*
tavelia{MDK}/{Paedur}~t 21:11:19 CST she smiles brightly
thank You Master Rollo....for a wonderful forum....again...blues twinkling
clover{GS} 21:11:41 CST Thank You Master Rollo ~ wishing A/all an enjoyable evening slips out quietly to r/t
~*Elektra*~ 21:11:55 CST ~*I rise and beam a smile to all within the forum room*~
Thank you for your kind hospitality. I have enjoyed participating in the forum this evening. I wish you all well
Rollo_the_Ax 21:13:41 CST Let Me leave you all with a quote from the Elder Edda....
It is best for man to be middle-wise,
Not over cunning and clever:
No man is able to know his future,
So let him sleep in peace.
I hope that everybody enjoyed this forum, and that I will see everybody again next week...... be well, and enjoy your lives until we meet again, folks....
Dak 21:14:52 CST good quote Captain, enjoyed the forum , it has always been a place to learn
Paedur-Captain-Slavemaster 21:15:20 CST Thank You Rollo Brother, for running a fine Forum once again. *Nods*
Rollo_the_Ax 21:17:40 CST LOL...LOL.... not so much of a * running * at times, but perhaps a * hearding *
......LOL...LOL... roaring with laughter...... Our forums are always worth the time...... if not for the information then at least for the entertainment....LOL...