60 DAY TIME FRAME
Rollo_the_Ax 19:11:58 CST
Well.... shall we begin ??? Welcome one and all yet again to another GS forum.... same rules as always... does anybody have a burning topic they wish discussed ???? a question that has been eating away at their mind since last we were together ???? anything ????
Xertog 19:12:08 CST
Tal Tir. I read your e mail to the Council a short time ago. It is something you may want to suggest for a topic tonight.
Rollo_the_Ax 19:20:16 CST
come on, folks.... y'all should know by now that if somebody else doesn't come up with a topic, MY choice is usually pretty far out there.....LOL....
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:20:43 CST
Im prepared to offer a topic if it is time to begin
Rollo_the_Ax 19:22:04 CST
PM it to Me, Tir, and I will put it before the group...okay ??
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:21:29 CST
*it is time Tir and just whisper it to Rollo and He will put it out there S*
Rollo_the_Ax 19:25:03 CST
Okay folks... the question is about the councils rule about restricting NEW pledged members from buying slaves until they have been pledged to GS for at least 60 days ???
Zoran 19:26:21 CST
it a good rule gives them time to learn and also does not leave the stranded slave if they depart
tayla{GS} 19:26:31 CST
can i ask the reason for the 60 day wait? so i know if i have anything to say or not
~soft laugh~
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:29:11 CST
however a girl can be collared imidiately upon entering GS unless she stays to protected rooms, no matter if she decides to remain or never return. seems off balance to me
tayla{GS} 19:28:15 CST
Master Zoran even Masters that have been around for years at times just up and leave a slave stranded
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:28:15 CST
The 60 days is to assure the Member is intent on staying at GS before a girl is caught in their steel and lost to a Master in Absentia should they decide to leave GS after a short stay
Zoran 19:28:06 CST
smiling as I see my sweet slut pat near my feet for her to join me
Zoran 19:27:34 CST
wonders if the 60 days applies to a Pledge that comes back grins
Laroona 19:29:20 CST
please keep the greting posts to whispers and same for action posts
unless of course some one else wants to scribe
Penny 19:29:31 CST
I agree with tayla... there are plenty of people who have been pledged forever who never come in, yet have slaves in their collar. *shrugs*
lara{Zor} 19:29:26 CST
smiles her greetings to All as she takes her place at her Masters feet
Zoran 19:29:36 CST
but atleast a older Master usally will set up thing if he leaves
like Tir said it to make sure there ready to stay
tayla{GS} 19:30:42 CST
not always Master Zoran, i speak from experience
lol
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:30:21 CST
I wish to propose an alternative to the 60 days
Xertog 19:31:20 CST
Just some background... The originals rule was 90 days and the Council changed it to 60 days in January or February if I recall correctly.
segen~{HoT} 19:31:40 CST
~listening~
galah{GS} 19:31:41 CST
most the time, new Masters have lots to learn so it don't make much sense for a trained slave to go to him when he usually doesn't know how to Master a girl yet...imo
Laroona 19:32:25 CST
It was brought back form 90 to 60
and there have many who have got around the rule
byt slaves begging rlease from GS then being colared to one
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:32:48 CST
My offered solution would be a sponsor program, where a new paid-member must find a slave-owning Master or Jarl or FW who is willing to be a sponsor for the new member and speak for their validity, interest and desire to remain a member of GS. If the new member can find a sponsor, the restriction would be lifted if the new member pledges to GS. I feel it is a much fairer situation especially in the case of a paid member not just a reaccuring visitor. I understand the reasoning for trying to make sure a Master will remain and not leave a girl collared to a master in absentia.... however as a paid member i find the restriction ridiculous. I have made what ammounts to a 6 month commitment to GS backed by my real world cash. I dont feel that in the spirit of Gor telling someone they cannot try to buy their own slave is proper or correct. In my proposal, should a new member not be able to convince any that they are worth being sponsored, the limitations could easily go beyond the 60 days which protects the slaves farther. If a persons peers feel they are unworthy then they are likely inworthy. If need be a multiple sponsor situation might be instated, where a Master, FW and Jarl all must agree to sponsor the new member. That would give a farther evaluation of the member from different perspectives.
Rollo_the_Ax 19:32:51 CST
Okay... in a nut shell, the rule was made for more than just one reason... 1. so that * newbie * masters that didn't really understand just how serious collaring a slave is would have time to GROW into the knowledge... HOPEFULLY.... 2. Yes, to try and see that they would remain in GS instead of just running off to another site/room... 3. and partly as a way to provide TIME for both master and slave to get to KNOW each other and see if it looked like the collaring would last more than a couple of days...
Zoran 19:32:52 CST
agrees with galah
there so much for a new Master
orli_{GS}~t 19:33:22 CST
*hears Master Xertog~
when was fidget collared? *grinning~
it was changed just before Master Loki purchased her
galah{GS} 19:33:17 CST
i have seen many slaves ruined by going to a Master that isn't quite a Master yet....and it only comes off looking as through the slave is running the show heheheeee heheheheee
~segen~{HoT} 19:33:47 CST
Yet GS girls DO have a say in being owned...so if a trained girl really WANTS to go to a "new Master"????
And does new to GS assume new to Gor? What if a Master is just moving from another site but has been Gor for years?
Laroona 19:34:56 CST
I agree with galah *S*
leda{P} 19:35:06 CST
galah maybe MAster's who are more experienced such as is MAster Tir ..perhaps exceptions can be made ?
lara{Zor} 19:35:32 CST
this one was made to get to know her Master before she was sold to Him..and granted it drove her crazy, but she is still with Him and glad she was told to get to know Him and think before leapin into His kolar
galah{GS} 19:35:38 CST
that 60 days wouldn't seen so bad for someone that only shows up a couple times a week, but for someone that is here everyday, it must feel like a lifetime
orli_{GS}~t 19:36:11 CST
*glances to leda~
although Master Tir might be skilled and knowledgable about Gor
there is no testing ground for the Free as there is for slaves
so who would say a Master does indeed know enough to make the purchase????
Zoran 19:36:42 CST
smiles down to lara
tayla{GS} 19:37:25 CST
good questions segen
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:37:44 CST
I make no claims to being experianced to Gor. i do not feel that the reading of the books, perusing of the websights and gleening of tidbits of information ake a MAster. there is more to is than that
segen~{HoT} 19:38:00 CST
~listening to orli~
Problem orli, is that a dude can sit here for 60 days, be as much of a HNG as he was when he stepped in, and still be sold a girl cuase he passes the 60 day period and still not know crap about Mastering..
i agree...there is no testing ground for Free and i still think that's one huge problem..
Penny 19:38:22 CST
And then there are people who could spend a lifetime in Gor and never grasp the concepts of mastery... I think there are just some personalities who seem to "get" it, and others who don't, no matter how much time is spent.
orli_{GS}~t 19:39:08 CST
orli's sentiments exactly segen *ws~
Rollo_the_Ax 19:39:35 CST
Tir.... I will be blunt and open with you... and everybody else here.... the rule was NOT made to in any way punish NEW members or make them feel not as welcome as * old * timers... but the facts of the matter ARE there... as has been said... those NEW to Gor, come in, and *WOW..look at all those slave gilrs... I just gotta get me one of them there hot sexy little critters... * but way too often, a NEW master just does NOT have the experience to know how to REALLY own and take care of a slave......
orli_{GS}~t 19:39:49 CST
Mistress Penny...orli believes it is a choice
there are those who choose to get it
and those who choose not to even bother
trying...but that is just one girls opinion
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:39:52 CST
*but how does the sponsor know to trust that person so to speak,as they wouldn't know them in RT so how would they know them in VT?*
galah{GS} 19:40:02 CST
i agree orli, but as with everything concerning gs, couldn't the council make exceptions if one was to write them and ask for compensation? if said Master was to write and say that he feels himself able to Master a slave and would like to purchase one, whats the worst that could happen? he might get told no, but it would still go to council business....might be a way for council to decide if one knows enough of gor to acquire a slave?
tayla{GS} 19:40:07 CST
~nods agreeing with Mistress Penny~
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:40:28 CST
Rollo that is the reasoning behind the sponsors. if they are deemed worthy by their peers exceptions should be made
segen~{HoT} 19:40:40 CST
aye Master Rollo, but not everyone that steps through GS's doors is a new Master or new to Gor...some are just new to GS...
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:41:06 CST
how does anyone KNOW a person VT ?
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:42:07 CST
*thats true Tir so how can someone sponsor someone else without knowing them?*
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:42:20 CST
what makes a new girl prepared to be a slave ?
Laroona 19:42:21 CST
is sponosring the same as mentoring?
Zoran 19:42:25 CST
with such a black and white rule it good
it
does not leave much for interptation
a sponser thing could do that
galah{GS} 19:42:47 CST
agrees with the girls, some never ever get it no matter how much time they spend on gor, and some step in on day one and can make girls bellies burn by his mere presence
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:42:51 CST
there is no 60 day observation period for the slaves to be collared
orli_{GS}~t 19:43:16 CST
what is the problem with waiting?
its not like Council is asking a New Pledge to wait a yr
alot changes v/t in a couple of wks and maybe this wk
its all shits and giggles and next wk....scrap city
orli believes there is nothing wrong with the 60 day waiting period
it has allowed orli to get to know someOne very special
and although she desparately is waiting for the 60th day...
.......rules are rules
Penny 19:43:25 CST
*nodding to orli*
And what kills me are the people who have theoretically read the books, but still let the slaves rule the roost. I think a lot of either dominance or submission are traits that a person is just born with. SOme people will try to become one thing or the other, but it just may never happen. Others are just born with a natural sense of command, and that's the way they are.
(and no worries about the title thing... hehe)
{KUURUS}'silks 19:43:24 CST
'new' girls are trained n expected to attend slave classes
segen~{HoT} 19:44:50 CST
my opinion is..if a Master wishes to go around the 60 day rule that maybe there an be an alternative...some kind of test and some period of time required so we see if he actually comes to GS for more then say a day or two...
galah{GS} 19:44:57 CST
yes segen, but even if they come from another site, should they not have the same time rule just due to the fact that they might decide to go back to the place they started? we have seen that happen here much of the time, a Master will leave to go elsewhere and many times he ends up back in gs
sen{HoK}~t 19:45:10 CST
okay, in my personal oppinion with GS girls. For one, the council decides even IF the Master who has been here for 60 days is allowed that purchase, don't you have faith in the council to not shove a trained slavegirl onto an HNG hands? Don't you have trust in the decisions of the GS council?
As for the 60 day period, why don't you simply think of it as a way to get to know those of the home? To be able to talk, interact with those people that call this place home other than simply jump head first into it? Kick back, joke around, relax with those they call home.
tayla{GS} 19:45:28 CST
and then sometimes you can know a Master for months before taking his collar and he still turns out to be a piece of dung
you just never know for sure in vt who is a liar and who is sincere
Zoran 19:45:32 CST
yes there are slave classes and things a slave must do
to move up the ranks is hard to make the same argument
Rollo_the_Ax 19:46:02 CST
And once again, Tir... no insult or anything intended at YOU, specifically.... but in all truth, paying Gary M for some membership time... be it 1 month, 6 months, or a LIFE TIME membership like many here have.... does NOT have any bearing on how well or not ANY person will become or except the * Gorean * philosophy or lifestyle... in VT or RT... perhaps another way of putting it is this ... ( and I except the fact that is an OLD man, I myself have had to learn PATIENCE over the years...) but please belive me when I say that * ANYTHING worth truly having, is worth waiting for.... *
Laroona 19:46:56 CST
I understand the girls are also asked by Council
so it is not a one way street
galah{GS} 19:47:05 CST
Master Tir, that thing you said about slaves is a prime example, many many times, a girl is collared and then disappears the next day never to be seen again
~segen~{HoT} 19:47:15 CST
galah...can't keep someone here against their will...and there are no gaurantees in life. People lets say like Shadowglade that were here for years STILL walk away...making them wait a certain amount of time does not gaurantee they won't go back to their previous home...
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:47:17 CST
and if during the 60 days the girl One is interested in gets sold to another ? their 60 days ending sooner does not mean absolutely that One is better than the other
orli_{GS}~t 19:47:35 CST
*grins at Master Rollo and sen~
well said
Zoran 19:48:45 CST
I have left GS but know when I come back
ummm I mean if I come back lol
I have the same rule will apply
shrug it just something you got to do
galah{GS} 19:49:29 CST
**claps tiny hands for Master Rollo** thats a great saying Master, as is, patience is a virtue? heheheheee
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 19:49:52 CST
i think it clear that my proposal has been defeated by general consensus and remove the suggestion
EMERALD_FOREST-CAPTAIN 19:50:14 CST
*the best way for that Tir is let the girl know that You are interested in her and let her choose,as in the end it is up to the girl who she chooses as it is to be agreed by both parties for the sale to go ahead?*
leda{P} 19:51:09 CST
well Master Tir was at the girl's kolaring from Mistress Phen and He branded the girl as well ...well this one thinks HE knew what He was doing and any can ask silken as she too was there and she too knew what to do ......Mistress is to post this scene however She seems to be having 'puter/keyboard problems of late ...
the girl looks forward for You All to see leda's kolaring as it was as special as she has seen any Captain's perform here in GS..
The_Skullsplitter 19:51:29 CST
60 days is effectively 2 months, I know Myself I waited a lot longer than that before deciding to collar a slave, I personally would do that even if there was not a rule in place.
I do not see 60 days being too long of a wait, and if people decide that 2 months of their time is too long to wait and prefer to go to another site then really, that does not show much of their own self disciplines.
The difficulty here about the solution in saying who is ready to Master and who is not ready, asks the question of who has the right to determine that? Everyone has different perceptions. Whom I might deem Gorean and a Master may not be viewed as such by others, or someone they consider is one, I may not consider, which leaves an opening to too many loop holes.
Perhaps you could say 1 month for experienced Goreans, at which time they could mail the council and request the purchase, and then the Council can decide amongst themselves if they think that the pair will be suitable. At the end of the day, if the girl says yes also, then there is little you can do but allow the sale, if she is willing to take the risk, then so be it. But then again, I think an experienced Gorean who has chosen a Home for life, is not going to be bothered by a 2 month wait.
Rollo_the_Ax 19:51:48 CST
Tir... one other point I would offer... the * COUNCIL *, while it has the final word on EVERYTHING that goes on in GS.... also bears the responciblity for doing so... if we tried letting others make such decisions, we would only be opening THEM up to the same level of responcibilty... right, wrong, or in between...in GS.. * The buck stops HERE, with the Council... *
~segen~{HoT} 19:52:11 CST
i just don't see how the 60 day rule makes us more certain of anything... don't see how it makes sure he's a Master (cuase really doesn't matter or not, if HE caps his name, shows up for 60 days and the girl watns to go to him then she'll be sold)...
and we don't keep people here against their will...one day here...300 days here..people can and will leave as needed..
The "waiting is a virtue" is a nice cliche but it really doesn't address the situation...
galah{GS} 19:52:42 CST
i personally think the 60 days is a good amount of time, but then like its going to make any difference to me heheheheheheeee heheheheheee
Zoran 19:53:22 CST
agree with Jarl
Xertog 19:53:37 CST
Your proposal Tir is in the Council mail box. The Council will discuss you proposal and the 4 Captain will decide if it is defeated or not. The Captains own the GS slaves and if and when we sell them is up to us.
leda{P} 19:56:15 CST
but Master Tir one thing that is good about the 60 days is You can get to know all the beautiful slaves of GS ..and pick the one or ones You like best to Master ...if the sentiments are returned however and they also beg of Your kolar .....*winks to Him* ...
Zoran 19:57:13 CST
grins and the GS slaves know it and will tease more LMAo
Rollo_the_Ax 19:59:34 CST
Folks.. y'all should know and except by now that * LIFE, offers NO guarantees.... * no collaring may last FOREVER.... no Master/slave relatioship HAS to be perfect... in essence... SHIT HAPPENS, folks.... live for TODAY and hope that tomorrow brings you yet another chance to do it all again.... perhaps the sadest words we can say are ... ** I wish I had.... done that, or gone there, or love him/her... ..... ????? **
segen~{HoT} 20:00:53 CST
Master Rollo, well then maybe there can be an alternative to the 60 day rule... a discussion with one of the Council to see if they really undersatnd Mastery/slavery AND a frank discussion on comings and goings...
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:03:27 CST
The 60 days had previously been 90 days... perhaps if a change is wanted, we can just go back to that. For I'm certainly not prepared to lower it.
sen{HoK}~t 20:04:01 CST
i guess, i do not see a big issue with the 60 day rule. Many wait longer than that, there is so much more in life better than simply trying to change a waiting period. You wait a lot in your life, why don't you enjoy what GS has to offer? Enjoy what the girls have to offer? the Free women's witty chatter. By the time you enjoy that the waiting period would be over and by then, you would have gotten to know a lot more people and then you can dive for that slavegirl you want.
~segen~{HoT} 20:04:33 CST
~tilts her head as she hears Master Kyoto~
Your statement means that nothing that has been mentioned from slave or Free mean anything but Your personal desires on it....
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:04:44 CST
a passing of days does not determine a persons worthiness... yet it is obviously the solution prefered here. My suggestion would put it before a members peers. forcing interaction among the Free that happens very little compared to the furring of the tavern girls. if a person only wants to have a free cyber session then the tavern is the place to seek it out, those wanting more, will find more. 6 days or 60 days or 6 months... doesnt give a person the Dominant personality needed for Mastery
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:05:50 CST
I just turn a dark gaze to segen blinking slowly.
orli_{GS}~t 20:06:14 CST
orli does feel it is a matter of whether One is worthy or not
*agreeing with sen~ 60 days is nothing when one is waiting for something worthy of the time frame
~segen~{HoT} 20:06:26 CST
~looking back at Master Kyoto~
Rollo_the_Ax 20:07:58 CST
segen... the Council TRIES to make its rules so that they will be fair and just for EVERYBODY.... We can only do so much towards that goal... yes, maybe some guys need less time, and maybe some more time... but the Council set the limit at 60 days... if a rule or law does not work for EVERYBODY, them it works for nobody....
{KUURUS}'silks 20:08:30 CST
there are girls who frequent ta INN or places here in GS that are unkolared.....the 60 day applies not to those yes?
sen{HoK}~t 20:08:43 CST
Master Tir, perhaps the 60 day is not even determining any worthiness. Perhaps that 60 days the council wishes to get to learn more of you, that the the people within GS wish to get to know more of you. Perhaps it is simply put there for everyone can get to know everyone. By the time You enjoy what GS has to offer, the time would have flown by.
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:08:53 CST
Why so opposed to an alternative ? it is still in the Councils hands at the end of the day
Laroona 20:08:54 CST
how I am seeing it would it matter if there was a time limit or not?
people would still gripe
alyena 20:09:26 CST
would think a freeneck would be avaiable to whomever she wished to submit to...
emerald{ShadowHawk} 20:10:04 CST
freenecks have their own reasons for being so...*nodding to alyena and smiling*
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:10:07 CST
make no mistake, Im not here because i would collar a girl right this minute. i am just opposed to the rule
alyena 20:10:22 CST
and in many cases.. when there has been the time limit.. or a sale has been turned down.. the slave begs release and does as she wishes to begin with...
~segen~{HoT} 20:10:42 CST
Master Rollo...i can undersatnd that...and yet i think the rule doesn't do what it's intent is. i think there may be a better way. As many slaves here (and free i am sure) will attest to...60 days does not a Master make for a man that doesn't get slavery. The ideas of mentoring had been kicked around several times and i still believe in those ideas. i also think it would be a good idea to have a frank one on one disucssion with one that watns to own a slave..
If time is the only factor..then there's something broken, because i really didn't undersatnd that just time makes a Man a Master (and i'm not even going into a good one or bad one)...
My feelings are (and yes they are only mine) that there either needs to be a BETTER way or expanded one...time alone is a poor judge...
Laroona 20:10:51 CST
exactly an uncollared slave is still up for grabs
Penny 20:11:35 CST
Alyena, I think you're correct, a freeneck is just that... free game. *smiles*
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:13:12 CST
a bareneck girl is free game and One can always bring a girl in from another chat site to call his own there are ways around the rule however it doesnt change the weakness in the actual rule. I understand the concept of protection from errant collarings and didnt ask the rule to be absolved. I wished an ammendment that wold require the voice of ones peers to be taken into consideration
Penny 20:13:36 CST
segen, I don't think that anyone is saying that time IS the judge. Everyone has mentioned other factors, but what it all comes down to is probably a case of making sure that someone who comes in is willing to stay that 60 days, with the hope that it will be a nice learning period for all.
The_Skullsplitter 20:13:52 CST
At the end of the day, even if you ARE here for 60 days, the council can still say no. By then, most people have gotten a good insight into who, or what a person is. And if a mistake occurs after that time period, oh well, you cannot stop some people from being manipulators and liars or simply disappearing. But, sometimes, Rules like this are better made with the general consideration made for ALL of the people in a Home.
Really, Rollo has explained the 3 main reasons behind the time limit, and it has worked for GS. Kyoto has stated it was lowered from 90 days to 60, 2 months.
Is 2 months really too long to wait for yourself?
Unless this system is something that is considered "Broken" by the majority of GS Patrons, then I do not really see the need to change it.
Laroona 20:14:36 CST
Tir so if I hear you corectly ::
say XYZ does not like you and say so that could prevent a collaring?
leda{P} 20:14:49 CST
But Master Tir like in r/t there are rules laws and W/we must follow ...do not drink and drive .....things like that and most human's are obliging to the laws and rules ....sometimes trying to change them makes other's suspicious why can't He follow the rules ??.. please do not take offence and with all due respect ....Do You know what the girl means ?
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:15:06 CST
isntthat what we are discussing? we re allowing the patrons voice on the topic ?
~segen~{HoT} 20:16:06 CST
leda, if no one brings up new ideas...then life stagnates...
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:16:17 CST
no laroona i think a person would be a fool to select XY and Z to speak if they arent on his side. You would select Masters, Jarls or Free that have taken time to know you and feel you worthy
orli_{GS}~t 20:16:22 CST
orli believes that the waiting period should be used to learn about Gor
for those who are "new" Goreans
and if they are not "new" to Gor....why not use the time to network
meet people...build friendships...interact and learn to r/p with others
at a higher level
orli hasn't been on Gor very long....but she continues to set higher
goals for herself.....to continue to learn and grow as a slave
but....again....comes down to those who are willing and those who care not to even try
Deirdre 20:16:49 CST
*nodding to Tir....agreeing with His observation*
That's exactly what I though, Tirr......I mean......Xertog suggested that You voice Your question to the Council....so that Wwe could all discuss it.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:16:53 CST
To once again be blunt, Tir and segen.... there are rules and laws that I also oppose... in RT... social actions.. etc.. but that DON'T mean that * I * can ignore them or break them now does it ???? the rules we have in place may not be PREFECT... but they are all that we have right now.... so we LIVE with them.... the alternitive is to not live with them....
Laroona 20:17:42 CST
Tir I understood you wanted a person to be judged by ones peers
now it is selective
~segen~{HoT} 20:17:46 CST
Master Rollo, i disagree, i think the alternative is to take the opportunity to make them better...
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:17:56 CST
did I say i wish to break the rule? I offered an alternative to the council, an amendment that is in my sight better than a simple time limit
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:18:36 CST
and to be blunt sir, we are not talking about RT laws were talking about a rule on a chat site that is in contrast to the basic concept of the chat sight. In Gor no one is limited on the owning of or buying of slaves
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:18:53 CST
The US Constitution has been amended many times, to make the laws by which we live better...
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:19:41 CST
thank you butterfly
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:19:56 CST
it takes experimentation to figure out what is best
The_Skullsplitter 20:20:16 CST
Yes it is Tir, but as I see it, Xertog has stated this subject is in the mailbox for the council to discuss and decide.
you are opposed to the rule
segen is opposed to the rule
I think the rest here have no problem with that.
3/4 of the other GS Members are not here to discuss it, and all the views or opinions have been heard here.
We could go tit for tat all night, saying what positives there are, and what negatives there are, and end up discussing it for hours and hours and bore everyone else to tears. But at the end of the day I think most of the angles have been covered and it is now up to the council to decide your request, which as a Patron, you are entitled to suggest.
My suggestion, is come up with a detailed system, well thought out, well defined and set out, mail it to the Council or bring it up at a future discussion that can then be reveiwed and taken into proper consideration. Sometimes merely a suggestion is not enough for people to see the positives.
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:20:33 CST
apologies if this one has spoken out of turn...*blushes*
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:20:44 CST
Laroona selectivty is the only way this works. as if three slave owning free that do not know the new member, havent tried to get to know them or are online at differnt times or time zones.... cannot give a fair asssesment ofthe Member
Xertog 20:21:18 CST
I think that either the 60 days rules stays as it is or it is just tossed out completely. I would be surprised if some one that was new to GS could not find one pledged patron to OK the sale of a slave.
~segen~{HoT} 20:21:41 CST
~tilts her head~
i'm not opposed to the rule, i think it needs to be refined..to be made better maybe..
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:22:23 CST
exactly segen..tweek it here and there
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:22:45 CST
practice makes perfect..isnt that the saying?
Penny 20:23:39 CST
I will say this... back in the day, when we were over at poolside, we had waaay more HNG traffic, I think. Now, you sort of have to be looking for Gor to make your way in here, so I don't know that the whole rule thing is as important anymore.
Not that it's for me to say one way or the other. *shrugs*
galah{GS} 20:23:50 CST
or the saying....fix it until its broken? Heheheee
Laroona 20:24:08 CST
agrees with Thorfinn
well said
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:24:15 CST
Xertog in the proposal to council i suggested that it could be one Master, One Jarl and one FW , that would be three people not just one
Xertog 20:24:25 CST
butterfly you did not speak out of turn. Feel free to post you opinions and thoughts here as long as it is done in a respectful manner.
KUURUS}'silks 20:24:25 CST
may silks ask what to be HNG?
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:24:26 CST
*winks to galah*
galah{GS} 20:25:23 CST
and funny thing is Mistress Penny, this rule didn't exist back in poolside days, its a fairly recent new ruling heheheheheeeeee
Rollo_the_Ax 20:25:36 CST
Tir... let me say one last thing, okay ??? NOBODY gets * their way * on everything, or everytime.... Y'all think that Rollo just sits up here and dictates this or that to everybody ???? You want to know something ??? you are upset that your * idea * has not been excepted... Hey, join the club... many a time, * I * have proposed rule changes or new rules, and got my ass handed to me by the rest of the Council....they did not agree with * MY * idea or changed it to suit everybody... so don't feel like y'all have been picked on here.... like I said before... we TRY to make GS as FAIR and JUST as we can for EVERYBODY !!!!
orli_{GS}~t 20:25:54 CST
what is the difference between One Master and One Jarl?
why not ask an experienced slave?
when it is usually the slaves You would be interacting with?
*almost takes offence *sc~ orli is ONLY kidding here!
Deirdre 20:25:55 CST
silks......Horny Non-Gorean....
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:26:01 CST
Thorfinn I made the suggestion to council and it was suggested i bring it up here. i am not trying to beat a dead horse
Penny 20:26:04 CST
HNG: Horny Non Gorean, or Horny Net Geek... hehe.
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:26:08 CST
*smiles big seeing her Jarl*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:26:43 CST
silks... it has 2 means... Horny Net Geeks is the mosy common... but around here it also stands for Horny New Goreans ....
Penny 20:26:50 CST
*grinning to galah*
See, I'm so out of the loop... hehe.
{KUURUS}'silks 20:27:06 CST
*smiles* thanwaad Mistress
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:27:50 CST
Tir, do you know the difference between a Jarl and a Master?
Xertog 20:27:56 CST
Tir so you need a man from the north and south? How many men in GS are originally Jarls from the north? 3 I think. Rollo, JT and Orion. Did I miss any?
The_Skullsplitter 20:28:03 CST
Well then, a task for all, isn't it?
Tweaked, refined, opposed, whatever the agenda, it is quite clear that right now we are getting nowhere. Some want change, some do not want it changed. Unless you all strongly feel it affects YOU personally, then do not worry about the rest of the masses, as I said, if the time limit is a problem for someone and they want to move site, then so be it, but really, 2 months is nothing IMO, and if it does affect YOU personally, then you should ALL get together and come up with a refined option for the Council to truely consider.
But no offence, I hate how sometimes a topic drags on here for hours and hours when it is clear that no solution is truely forthcoming, everything that was discussed in the first 20 mins gets repeated endlessly and then we leave wondering what was the point in coming because we have no real idea what was achieved.
~Grunts~
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:28:35 CST
orl;i I am not opposed to including a slaves perspective, especially if a first girl were to be named
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 20:29:19 CST
Yes i know the difference or Id not have mentioned it
leda{P} 20:29:24 CST
*giggles at Master Rollo's HNG*..this one did not know the term either ...thanks so much ..the girl learns everyday in GOR ...*wink*
orli_{GS}~t 20:29:32 CST
ohhh so only a fg's opinion would be warranted?
*nods~
interesting
*falls silent~
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:31:23 CST
If we're going to be divided by geographical divisions, then I demand equal say for those of the Tahari. We are just as distinct a group as those of Torvald with our own sets of traditions and history.
Orion 20:32:03 CST
-nods as he lets the Captain know that he is INDEED a Free Man from the North-
NPC’s IN THE MARKET BAZAAR
Rollo_the_Ax 20:29:36 CST
We have one other topic to discuss and time is getting away from us.... The question or suggestion has been raised about allowing * NPC * into the Market bazaar... anybody have any opinions or comments about doing this ?????
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:31:06 CST
Master Rollo..this girl has had experience with NPCing...it works out well if there are no slaves present at the time when some Free are in a chatroom...it makes the rp run more smoothly
galah{GS} 20:31:24 CST
i am still not completely clear about what a NPC does or what the purpose is Master
{KUURUS}'silks 20:31:42 CST
what is NPC?
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:31:48 CST
what Master/Mistress would want to wait around to be served a drink?
orli_{GS}~t 20:31:50 CST
orli had a "NPC" the other night in the Market bizzare Master Rollo
she was asked why she was unaccompanied.....she stated her guard was awaiting her return at the entrance
Deirdre 20:32:01 CST
I'm for ANYTHING that stimulates r/p. If that means NCP's in the Market, then so be it. *nodding emphatically*
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:32:07 CST
NPC=non played character
Penny 20:32:35 CST
NPC's... as in salespeople in the market? So we don't look like we're talking to ourselves? hehe...
sen{HoK}~t 20:32:57 CST
An NPC would make the Bizaar..more...liveable, if i can use the word. When you close your eyes and walk to the Bizaar, what do you exactly see? NPC is simply a non-playing character. You would see a lot more people walking around the Bizzaar then there is here...
emerald{ShadowHawk} 20:33:37 CST
in the not too distant past em has used NPC while traveling..under the protection of Master Orion's Senior Guard...*smiles*
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:34:06 CST
usually Guards and the like are NPC'd
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:34:24 CST
An NPC would be a generic character, such as "Port Kar Guardsman" or "Baker", someone who is there to add flavor to a situation. But unlike those made up guards that some FW seem to drag around, this would be an actual person who acts the part.
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:34:28 CST
and perhaps children of the Free
tayla{GS} 20:34:33 CST
i just pretend i'm talking to Vendors or what not in the Bizzare
when i'm feeling crazy they talk back
galah{GS} 20:34:38 CST
so would a npc be just a made up person that everyone sees, or would each npc be represented by a real person doing the actions and such?
orli_{GS}~t 20:35:00 CST
most times galah a NPC is someone made up
alyena 20:35:11 CST
children are discouraged upon here still.. are they not?
The_Skullsplitter 20:35:34 CST
NPC's, I HATE NPC's!
Get them in one room, you will end up getting them in another, then you get what happens in other places where stupid already predicted "storylines" occur. Hmm let us enter a kill capture zone and kill all the NPC Guards with our NPC group of a thousand warriors and then argue like a bunch of idiots over what is legal in the play of NPC and what is not.
Ok, so the market, yeah, you need traders, or Merchants, or whatever, so I see no problem where you can "buy" something or "sell" something from a made up vendor, but I personally would hate it if it went beyond that.
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:35:41 CST
Yes, children are against the site rules.
Zoran 20:35:40 CST
it is better rp if the Bisarr is disgust as being full of people
~Mariposa~ 20:35:43 CST
so you are saying we could drag around a butcher, baker and maybe a candlestick maker Kyoto, instead of a boring old guard?
Deirdre 20:35:56 CST
*nodding to alyena*
Yes they are discouraged....and.....IMO should be.
Penny 20:35:59 CST
butterfly, children are a no-no, it's against the 18 and over rules to even pretend them here... eeep.
Orion 20:36:07 CST
IF used in the way theyr are designed, NPC's can add a GREAT deal to Role PLay. As em said, she and I had a whole list of them and they were RPed to a great degree as they even had their own personalities. What we would HAVE to make sure of is that playing an NPC is NOT construed as dualing...
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:37:09 CST
a girl was not saying that REAL children be allowed on the site to rp
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:36:21 CST
no no...i mean the Free that rp here could NPC the children
Penny 20:37:10 CST
Or, people who are of the merchant caste could stir themselves out of the tavern and into the marketplace.. hehe.
I'm a sock vendor, and I forget that I should go sell my stuff.
Zoran 20:37:28 CST
lol at Mariposa
Laroona 20:37:29 CST
NO WAY butterfly
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:37:34 CST
They would be just as effective against me as a made up guard, Mariposa.
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:38:49 CST
understood..
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:38:37 CST
*just hushes since no one is understanding what she is trying to get across*
alyena 20:38:22 CST
we know what you mean butterfly.. what we are saying is.. even role play involving NPC children isn't allowed
The_Skullsplitter 20:39:12 CST
I have never heard of an NPC being played by anyone before... I thought the whole point of a Non Played Character is that they are not being played by anyone?
~Mariposa~ 20:39:35 CST
hmmm, oh Kyoto, are you saying that a baker with hot cross buns.. or some other deliciously delectable hot soft pastry could not tempt you, not into submission of course, but to the point your tummy growled? (I'm teasing, of course.. hope you know ~Mari)
{KUURUS}'silks 20:40:40 CST
and so icons with childs in them not permitted also yes?
butterfly {Orion}~HTB~ 20:40:24 CST
*slips out quietly*
Rollo_the_Ax 20:41:09 CST
I agree in kind and spirit, Thorfinn... for myself, * personally * i have no use for NPC..... but if it is the will of the majority, and can be worked out so that they do NOT go beyond the Bizzar, I can live with them... * don't except this old dog to try being one though... I have a hadr enough time keeping ONE ass straight.... 2,3 or more would be a disaster of biblical proportions...... LOL...
Kyoto,_First_Sword_of_GS 20:41:12 CST
Ok, then instead of NPC... how about calling them registered alternates.
Make sure the council knows what you will be doing so that people won't be accused of unauthorized dualing...
Laroona 20:41:27 CST
silks NO tis against the laws of the country
leda{P} 20:41:42 CST
NPC sounds a lil different this one can barely keep up with leda's role....let alone a NPC's role too ...*giggles*
Penny 20:42:05 CST
silks, that is correct. You can't have icons with real children in them.
~Mariposa~ 20:42:37 CST
Laroona, I respectfully disagree, but only slightly, for example Penny's icon, I think is very appropriate for the role she plays, and obviously there are children in that picture..
xenia 20:43:27 CST 69.47.155.56
~*Slips in quietly, giving greetings ands settling into a kneel, listening.*~
Penny 20:43:59 CST
The difference being, though, that the children in my icon are not real pictures. I think the law specifies photographs, even if they're of your own kids, can't be used as avatars in adult chat rooms.
leda{P} 20:44:08 CST
*giggles* ...dido MAster Rollo ..*winks to Him* ....thinks You and this girl are somewhat alike Master ...slow ..
The_Skullsplitter 20:44:19 CST
Ah well, if the NPC proposal here is that another person can change their identity to pretend to be this NPC thing then My vote, if there was to be one, would be a firm NO.
If it gets accepted, then fair enough, I can see it leading to more roleplay for people, but I can also see disaster coming from it.
Laroona 20:45:13 CST
I think anything denoting children is off limits...
(((need to check that again))
orli_{GS}~t 20:45:49 CST
*listens to Jarl Skullsplitter~
aye Jarl....logging in under another name opens up a whole other can of worms
is GS prepared for that?
Laroona 20:46:27 CST
like the stupid kitten we have wandering in and out of rooms of late
Rollo_the_Ax 20:46:43 CST
Okay... this issue needs to be discussed and refined before a clear cut proposal can be brought to a vote or viewed by the rank and file....
sen{HoK}~t 20:46:50 CST
When does an NPC need to be logged in under a name? A NPC player is that, a non played character. It wouldn't need the logging in with another name.
orli_{GS}~t 20:47:08 CST
taken from GaryM's post on the corks
Here is the list of things THAT ARE NOT OK: (Remember these are Visual Depictions with HUMAN performers in erotic situations)
BDSM - ABSOLUTELY NO BONDAGE (handcuffs, props, "gear")
TOYS (Dildos, riding crops, ball Gags)
ANY SEXUAL ACTIVITY.
GENITALIA, (Even if blurred or cropped out!)
RAPE - Gorean rape role-play is NOT LEGAL.
BEASTIALITY.
INCEST.
OBSCENE GESTURES (No flipping fingers)
IMAGES OF MINORS IN ***ANY*** CONTEXT - EVEN FAMILY PHOTOS.
Deirdre 20:47:50 CST
*nodding in agreement with sen*
That's what I've thought was a NPC all along. Not someone that needs to log in.
Penny 20:48:41 CST
Images meaning photographs... I read the original laws and art of a non pornographic nature is exempt.
leda{P} 20:48:47 CST
thinks silken was made to get ride of the child icon she had months ago !?!?...
and Yes btw this one likes the kitten too Mistress Laroona ...it's a well written kitten ...*S
Laroona 20:49:14 CST
what I thought
but heck I have issues keeping up let alone trying to have a NPC chatting too
like tayla I can talk to an imaginary person
Laroona 20:50:04 CST
leda kitens in Gor???
leda{P} 20:50:20 CST
oh You do not like the kitten Mistres Laroona ..sorry mis read of course ...
~Mariposa~ 20:50:25 CST
yes Laroona, kittens taste like chicken.. or so I'm told
orli_{GS}~t 20:50:31 CST
NPC are suppose to be imaginary *shrugs~
it is how orli has mostly seen it
{KUURUS}'silks 20:50:36 CST
Master Kuurus wanted silks to have His child....what was silks to do.....disobey my Master....so silks had a child...when We were asked to stop we did...
sen{HoK}~t 20:50:42 CST
perhaps i am even confused, but Mistress Laroona a NPC IS an imaginery person. That is how i had been taught when first comming, but now i question if i have a different viewing as others.
~Mariposa~ 20:50:54 CST
you mean orli, like talking to oneself, and answering back..
delilah_{Blade} 20:51:30 CST
that's because you were role playing the two of you having the child silk.. that isn't allowed in Gary's rules...
{KUURUS}'silks 20:51:50 CST
it was not a 'real' pix icon it was simillar to Mistress Pennys....but silks got rid of it...
The_Skullsplitter 20:51:51 CST
Some of you need to follow the conversation as I asked why an NPC would be played by someone almost 20 minutes ago and noone responded.
~Grunts~
The proposal that some were discussing, was to be able to pretend to be the NPC, not just have an NPC itself, which of course makes no sense! This is the "modern" kind of NPC you will find at the majority of sites these days, women playing Guards, or whatever, and that CAN and WILL Lead to disaster in the long run.
Kyoto suggested something about having a strict line of personas on who can play what.
"My" idea of interacting with an NPC is walking up to a Baker and buying a loaf of bread, nothing more.
tayla{GS} 20:52:05 CST
so you weren't allowed to rp being pregnant or anything silks?
leda{P} 20:52:10 CST
it is strange the kitten in GOR Mistress ...however it is a pleasant distraction ...but would have to have a rule for it perhpas ?
Orion 20:52:15 CST
They are imaginary, orli. But if you deal with them in the right context, you could bring an NPC to life. The ones I have had all came to life and have a personality, slaves, and have even been part of serious fights with slaves in my kolar.. It just depends HOW they are played out.
Laroona 20:52:20 CST
no sen I agree with you
IMO a NPC is non existant *S*
orli_{GS}~t 20:52:43 CST
not exactly Mistress Mariposa
instead of posting
*do you have any fresh vulo eggs today?
it would be typed
*she moved to the vendor to check on fresh vulo eggs.....after filling her basket she gave payment and moved to the next vendor~
or something along those lines...a bad example but
like slaves doing chores
if there is no one to interact with....make it up *shrugs~
delilah_{Blade} 20:52:46 CST
again... it was more the role play involving the "child"
sen{HoK}~t 20:53:01 CST
An NPC, just picture it as an the imaginery friend you had when you were young, if you had one. That's an NPC.
tayla{GS} 20:53:51 CST
i saw your post Jarl Skullsplitter but since i thought the same as you didn't see where i could answer your question
emerald{ShadowHawk} 20:54:06 CST
~nodding in agreement with Master Orion's comment, she herself having loved the addition of characters giving more life to the Gorean interchange~
Penny 20:54:10 CST
If we have enough people taking goods to the marketplace, there really wouldn't be a need for NPC's...
In a roleplaying game, with people sitting around a table, you have the game master playing as any number of "NPC's".... adding color to the storyline.
Online, I would think it would be trickier, unless people were committed to playing several personas, which could get mucky, I would think.
{KUURUS}'silks 20:54:53 CST
tayla ..Master Kuurus and silks were asked to stop and imediatly we did after 2 weeks of r/p having baba.....it was sad for Us both but rules are rules....but in the books there were childs
orli_{GS}~t 20:54:54 CST
orli thinks there is a place and a time for children
and thats at birthday parties
*shrugs~
sen{HoK}~t 20:55:04 CST
i had seen Your post Master Skullsplitter, but i was simply in agreement.
Penny 20:56:36 CST
silks, of course there were children in the books, children are a vital part of society.
Online, though, for the protection of children, there can't be any sort of portrayal of children, even if it's play that doesn't involve sex.
Rollo_the_Ax 20:56:42 CST
Okay... like I said, we will need to work out some details about this idea.... the fine lines between * active NPC* * switching * and * dualing * will need to be made CLEAR and exact... and as I said before, while * I * myself may not go in and play the part of some vendor or guard or salesman... I can see letting others * do their thing * if that is what is wanted..... a rule will have to put in place though, in MY opinion, that NO gender or level switching tale place... gender is self explainitory, but no slave being free, or free being slave crap should go on there.... agreed ?????????
{KUURUS}'silks 20:56:58 CST
well orli....John Norman himself included childs in hi writings...so
Laroona 20:57:01 CST
I am having a hard time keeping up C&Ping without trying to post at same time
I do agree with Thorfinn
Mariposa~ 20:57:21 CST
Thanks the room for the forum.. best of wishes for the continued discussions this evening/morning
orli_{GS}~t 20:57:35 CST
agreed Master Rollo
delilah_{Blade} 20:57:44 CST
~nods @ Mistress Penny's words~
when they are brought into an adult setting even if they are not real... it's over the line for the rules of the site
{KUURUS}'silks 20:57:54 CST
yes Mistress Penny...*smiles*
Blade ~xXx~Warrior~of~Port~Kar~ 20:57:57 CST
silk if you and Kuurus want to rp a child the best way to do it is in a private room or on a IM. That way no one sees it and you two will get into trouble.
Zoran 20:58:01 CST
nod to Rollo and his world
Orion 20:58:26 CST
I agree, Rollo..
orli_{GS}~t 20:58:49 CST
online is a different realm than fictional books silks
orli has a child of her own r/t
does that mean she would take that child to the bar or Tavern
simply because she is going?.......she thinks not
KUURUS}'silks 20:58:57 CST
well Master Blade....that is exacly what we do...*smiles*
tayla{GS} 20:59:22 CST
~nodding softly~
i see silks
i see people rping like they have children all over gor.. the child isn't actually a character more the people say things like "carrying lil bobo around then putting him down so he can watch the fish in the pond" or something
~zoya{Sg}~ 20:59:24 CST
~*~slips in to the back and kneels, smiling to many familiar faces~*~
xenia 20:59:39 CST
~*Shimmies on over to Master Blade, listening quietly. Knowing the child fiasco well.*~
{KUURUS}'silks 21:00:13 CST
silks never once brought the child into the Tavern...the training yard and the INN were the only places
The_Skullsplitter 21:00:30 CST
If someone is "playing" the NPC then it is no longer an NPC but a PC. If you want to have a grumpy baker then interact with a pretend grumpy baker, that is an NPC. If you ARE the grumpy baker, then that is a PC.
But I think, like Rollo, I would not interact with those doing the PC in NPC thing.
Blade ~xXx~Warrior~of~Port~Kar~ 21:00:55 CST
Thorfinn I think NPC are a very inportant part of rping if done right and they are not abused.
{KUURUS}'silks 21:00:57 CST
yes tayla...but....it is a rule and Master Kuurus are to follow it....simply stated
delilah_{Blade} 21:01:00 CST
tayla... children are role played at other sites.. in Gor..
it's simply a rule thing here for Gary.... it's not that anyone is against anyone having children in Gor.. it's simply a safeguard for him not getting his ass busted in any way for it going on in his chatrooms
orli_{GS}~t 21:01:43 CST
GS is an adult site is it not?
and at any adult site orli has ever been to
Gor or otherwise.....due to the laws of the country
the site origionates....children are not allowed silks
*shrugs~ not orli's ruling or Councils... or even GaryM's....but the USA Government
Zoran 21:02:06 CST
NCP PC Rt Vt started to see the BS lol
tayla{GS} 21:02:33 CST
delilah yes i know
i was simply making a statement
personally i'm not fond of children. never have been. just ask any of my 4
lol
sen{HoK}~t 21:02:40 CST
~blinks slightly at Master Skullsplitter, head spinning after following all that PC and NPC stuff going on~
delilah_{Blade} 21:03:49 CST
~laughs hard @ tayla~ know that feeling sometime
Rollo_the_Ax 21:04:17 CST
Well folks... in truth, IF this idea happened at all, it sure asn't going to happen overnight.... so we will have to decide and debate about the thousand little things that will either make it work or NOT, and get back to y'all about it.... okay ????
The_Skullsplitter 21:04:18 CST
children are roleplayed at "some" other sites, I know they are not permitted in any form of hyperchat Gor rooms for one.
They leave too many loopholes, again, for mistakes to happen. Yes, it might be an adult interacting with the child or whatever, but then what happens if you get some pedo fuck come in because they get the chance to play with an imaginary child?
Why do people want to RP being pregnant for 9 months? Do they not suffer enough RT? lol. I find all of that distasteful, yet, it is accepted in lots of other places.
leda{P} 21:04:49 CST
leda watched over the baby for silks and Master Kuurus ....*wink*
Tir_~Merchant_of_Port_Kar~ 21:06:00 CST
Thorfinn i think perhaps, for some who cannot have children real life, who do not have as much going on real life it is perhaps just a grasp at soemthing they desire and do not have or may not have the means to have. thats all i have to say on that
orli_{GS}~t 21:06:11 CST
exactly Jarl Skullsplitter
its bad enough r/t why would ANYONE wish that upon
themselves to rp for 9 months v/t!!!!!?????
sheeesh...*chuckling
Laroona 21:06:28 CST
LOL I think most of are here to escape the reality of kids so who wants them here... not me LOL
delilah_{Blade} 21:06:53 CST
~winks @ Mistress Laroona~
{KUURUS}'silks 21:07:17 CST
*hears Master Tir words...perhaps He understands....she almost cries*
leda{P} 21:07:25 CST
well imaginary ones are the easiest to care fore ...lol
Rollo_the_Ax 21:07:37 CST
I can also see by the old clock on the wall, that ourtime is up yet again.... I want to thank everybody that came and took part in todays/tonights forum... and i hope to see everybody again next week........
wild_beauty~*~{Luc} 21:07:38 CST
~*~slips in quietly to the shadows to listen~*~
orli_{GS}~t 21:08:17 CST
*appluads MIstress Laroona~
exactly...if orli wanted to chat about children or "play" with them in chat
she'd find a chat that supported that
she does not mean to sound insensitive or harsh
its just how it is
xenia 21:08:27 CST
~*Smiles as the Forum comes to a close
Zoran 21:08:45 CST
sits back and
thank you for running the forum this night Rollo
The_Skullsplitter 21:09:39 CST
Tir, that may be a fair point (One I admit I did not even take into consideration), but when it comes to an adult community with such aspects that the Gorean environment and cultures express via online format, I cannot see how children would truely fit into the culture of roleplay and I think the whole "pedo" concern is why some sites have outlawed both images and roleplay of children.
Orion 21:10:46 CST
-lol- Bottom line is this people, this is Gor and not many have thought about RPing kids.. If you wanna RP having kids, I suggest FantasyCastle's Forest room as it has all kinds of the lil buggers running around.
Penny 21:11:29 CST
I agree with Thorfinn... for the safety of children, you can never be too careful. There are some very ill humans in this world.