TOPIC: Free Ignoring serving slave after requesting a serve
Xertog 19:47:27 pm CDT
To keep everybody informed I'll let you know that I spoke to Rollo a couple of days ago. He seems to be improving but he has been on meds that knock the hell out of him so it been tough for him to be here. But he did say he would try and make an appearance today.
blckrose{Zor} 19:48:38 pm CDT
this one is happy to hear Master Rollo is improving, this one wishes him well
Laroona - Scribe 19:52:57 pm CDT
I spoke to him a week or so back and he is slowly getting better' but the meds are knocking him around a lot....
Cavy 19:50:35 pm CDT
Xertog its been brought to My attention that a certain One is coming to the tavern talking to the slaves like shit asking for serves and leaving in between
Xertog 19:49:48 pm CDT
We are going to get the forum started. Ulrich will be moderating tonight.. So send him topic suggestions.
Ulrich 19:51:33 pm CDT
Thank you Xertog. By now everyone knows the rules. Move the greetings and crosstalk to whispers and let's have a good discussion. I'll give a few moments for someone to send me a topic
Xertog 19:51:52 pm CDT
Cavy send me a whisper regarding this issue.
Laroona - Scribe 19:53:59 pm CDT
Can all put a name on your tags please for the scribes thanks
Ulrich 19:57:34 pm CDT
Ok we can run with that for now. It's come up from time to time. This isn't the place to call out names or point fingers, but we can talk a bit about it in general terms. Is it right for a Free to request a serve, then blatantly ignore it?
Laroona - Scribe 19:58:59 pm CDT
I think it is downright rude unless a RT comes up
blckrose{Zor} 19:59:23 pm CDT
this one thinks that is rude, if a Master/Mistress requests a serve this girl thinks they should watch and pay attention but that is just this one thoughts
shadow{Ulrich} 19:59:30 pm CDT
shadow has only had that happen once and she warned the Master the girl's fingers are kinda slow.. took her a couple post to realize He left.. doesn't feel so great so right, no.. but what is a slave to do?
deborah(KU)Protected 19:59:36 pm CDT
(((thinking r/t does occur of course at times, and pulls O/one away fast)))
Cavy 19:59:47 pm CDT
in word Ulrich NO...........they put a lot of effort in their serves.
Ulrich 20:00:03 pm CDT
I would think the answer in a word is No. I mean r/p is a two way street. If one is only half-assed participating, what's the point of being here, or initiating it. Sure r/t will intervene from time to time, but if I can't fully participate, I'm not going to start something. I may stop in and pass along a Tal or greetings... How can we encourage people not to do that?
blckrose{Zor} 20:01:15 pm CDT
RT has pulled my Master away in middle of serve, but RT is different story
Cavy 20:02:23 pm CDT
how do you teach respect Ulrich....Manners is Manners regardless....they may be slaves but they are people
shadow{Ulrich} 20:02:33 pm CDT
big difference between RT and playing games.. shadow has heard from a couple slaves that this has been happening lately..
Laroona - Scribe 20:02:50 pm CDT
To continue slaves have to learn so much how to serve a Free learns little in many cases and I think it is rude because IMO asking for a serve and then ignoring is rude and shows scant regard for the work slaves pout in Yes they are Free and can do as they please but..... deborah yes RT can come up but then how difficult is it to say to slave next time sorry I had a RT....
Ulrich 20:03:02 pm CDT
We've all been hit by that bastard r/t. That happens, but if it is just plain disregard for the work the girl puts into it, well it's just wrong.
starfire{GS-O} 20:04:44 pm CDT
this one has been on Gor now for alittle over 8 yrs, and there is times One is at work, and she has served, and got no response till the end, so sometimes posting can't be done after every post
Ulrich 20:05:17 pm CDT
Cavy that's a good question. Respect is earned, manners are learned all through life. There are those that will argue, "It's Gor" a slave doesn't deserve respect, but we need to be mindful this is r/p and there is a human on the other side of that blasted monitor.
shadow{Ulrich} 20:05:18 pm CDT
so is there anything a slave can do? shadow doesn't think so but what if it is the same Master over and over?
Laroona - Scribe 20:05:22 pm CDT
LOL rose some never even pay attention to a serve folks we are trying to encourage people here and any rudeness is not going to help
deborah(KU)Protected 20:05:29 pm CDT
*nods in agreement with Mistress Laroona* is was not arguing such in the least been there when some leave before the slow girl is done ,,,,*shrugs*
Ulrich 20:07:07 pm CDT
As Laroona gently pointed out, ideally, the Free should take the time to know the serves, know what to expect as well as the slaves. Otherwise, how the hell do they know they are getting what they actually ordered?
ariel she-urt 20:07:30 pm CDT
*softly* slaves aren't stupid. we all know who plays games and who doesn't. when i was a slave, i simply did not offer to serve the gamer players.
Kringe 20:07:33 pm CDT
I try to post after each time the slave does ....if only a couple of words but aye the girls do put alot into it and that should be acknowleged
Laroona - Scribe 20:07:53 pm CDT
most slaves who are slow typists is usually known as during serves slaves are not supposed to be on IM's etc only if new and asking for help or are being helped that is a huge difference
deborah(KU)Protected 20:09:24 pm CDT
girl does not multitask in fact she concentrate so much she has trouble following the room only the Master she post she watches ..
Ulrich 20:09:47 pm CDT
shadow, unfortunately there's really not much a slave can do, that I can think of, and maintain her station in Gor. she should still make her best effort to complete the serve to the best of her ability, regardless of how rude she thinks the Free she is serving is
Cavy 20:11:12 pm CDT
I read a serve from a slave in a contest today from an old tattler. the serve was so well thought out it must have taken her 15 min....to do............I think You should at least have that time before accepting a serve
Laroona - Scribe 20:11:37 pm CDT
some slaves do not have any option as all should offer to serve unless owners say otherwise *S*
Ulrich 20:12:27 pm CDT
The best recourse I can think of is for other Free to set a good example. I've been known to watch a girl as she served someone else if I wasn't being served at the time. Try to encourage the one receiving the serve to observe and elaborate
starfire{GS-O} 20:12:33 pm CDT
Master Cavy, this girl thought out all her serves as well, and been told she took to long to post, and serve that this one had been told to stop, and One would get another to serve that is faster, so for slaves it is hard to know what One wants unless they have served One before.
Laroona - Scribe 20:12:36 pm CDT
The angelfire site has some sample serves on it too Cavy
ariel she-urt 20:13:09 pm CDT
in principle i agree Mistress. in practice it can be a completely different thing.
Ulrich 20:13:36 pm CDT
Aye Cavy, and it sounds like all that are here are in agreement with you. Perhaps the one(s) that are making a habit of it will read this discussion in the forum notes, and will see the err in their ways
Laroona - Scribe 20:14:03 pm CDT
ariel aye but as you say hard to do *S*
Ulrich 20:14:34 pm CDT
Alright I think this topic is nearing it's end, If anyone has any other topics, whisper them to me, and we'll move forward
Laroona - Scribe 20:14:45 pm CDT
Ulrich often those are the ones who never read the notes sad to say
deborah(KU)Protected 20:14:51 pm CDT
true starfire ...nods ..got to get to know what they want ..
Cavy 20:15:03 pm CDT
it will get to the point that the slaves Owners will forbid the slaves to serve Them.....but do We really want to have to do that?
blckrose{Zor} 20:15:56 pm CDT
well if One is in a hurry they can always ask a girl for a quick serve
deborah(KU)Protected 20:16:28 pm CDT
harta ....
ariel she-urt 20:16:44 pm CDT
another option, since slaves usually know the score with all Masters, make the serve short and sweet. one post. that way nobody gets in trouble.
Cavy 20:17:37 pm CDT
then We miss the elegance in the serve ariel
shadow{Ulrich} 20:18:56 pm CDT
not to mention that would be a harta serve and shadow is certain a girl shouldn't do one without it being requested..
ariel she-urt 20:19:12 pm CDT
If that Master is leaving mid-serve then He doesn't much care about the elegance does He Master Cavy? i'm not suggesting that every serve be one post. i'm saying that slaves know the Masters who are apt to leave mid serve. They should get one post serves.
shadow{Ulrich} 20:19:53 pm CDT
though shadow does understand what ariel is saying she's just not sure that is an option for a slave to decide?
ariel she-urt 20:20:15 pm CDT
why not shadow? we have brains and discernment don't we
shadow{Ulrich} 20:20:56 pm CDT
oh indeed, shadow never said other wise but she also knows what is expected of her
Ulrich 20:20:58 pm CDT
Cavy, I'm not sure that's the best route to take right away. If it's someone new, they may not understand their role in the serve. This is where hopefully another Free will step up and guide them, point them in the right direction. It's not like it's a rule that the Free has to participate in the serve, but it just seems logical to me. Otherwise, what's the point of ordering a drink that's not going to wet my whistle?
ariel she-urt 20:21:06 pm CDT
if not, then i'm not sure as i see why anyone is upset by a Master who doesn't pay attention to a serve. i'm not trying to be trouble here, but do you see my point?
Cavy 20:22:33 pm CDT
very true Ulrich.....simple thought would You go in a bar and order a drink and leave when the glass is on the beer tap?
deborah(KU)Protected 20:23:12 pm CDT
*winks to ariel seeing her point*
Laroona - Scribe 20:23:33 pm CDT
ariel I see your point hee often wanted to toss a drink over a free just to make a point but but but LOl
Ulrich 20:24:57 pm CDT
Exactly Cavy. ariel I know what you're saying, and that may be your urge, but when it comes down to it, a slave is a slave, and she should make her effort to be pleasing, regardless if she is with a Master that doesn't "do the right thing" for lack of a better word. Is that not true?
starfire{GS-O} 20:26:28 pm CDT
listens...
deborah(KU)Protected 20:27:05 pm CDT
*nods to Master Ulrich n whispers* true Master
ariel she-urt 20:27:37 pm CDT
Yes Master Ulrich. i agree completely. and if this is the case then why is a Master leaving in mid-serve even an issue? we're slaves. we aren't worth much so why make a big deal about our serves?
Laroona - Scribe 20:27:41 pm CDT
*jumps up on my old soapbox* I am a firm believer a Free should know what every drink, food, position etc same as the slaves... it is Gor and why not be gorean
Ulrich 20:32:47 pm CDT
Well ariel, I see it being discussed in forum as a reminder that it is a two way street. True, the Free have the upper hand, but why come here if you're not going to work with the others in the room. However, it's not a slaves place to correct a free
ariel she-urt 20:34:26 pm CDT
i'm sorry that You feel i was correcting You Master Ulrich. i was not. i agree with You. slaves are slaves. we should not expect any attention at all. it's nice to get it. but it is not required nor demanded.
Ulrich 20:36:11 pm CDT
Nay ariel, I didn't think you were correcting me. I meant in a serve, correcting a Free.
TOPIC: Times people can be in GS?
Ulrich 20:28:19 pm CDT
Ok I think we beat that tarn to death. With the recent changes to the site, it's obvious many people are passing through by the list of names showing up. However, it seems not many show up at the same time. What time of day or night do people tend to be passing through? For me, it's usually about this time of day if I get to stop by. What about the rest of you?
Laroona - Scribe 20:31:19 pm CDT
*gets off the old soapbox*
Laroona - Scribe 20:33:54 pm CDT
Ulrich I can be around most nights but the site still needs a lot of work' and frankly I think it is time some of us of GS started complaining about the lack of work being done we do pay for the site and half the time cannot use it to the full advantage
Ulrich 20:34:47 pm CDT
Ok don't everybody jump at once. lol I'm not asking people to say "I'll be here at 7:00". Someone just mentioned they have been stopping by and not seeing anyone here. But the ghosts that were remaining before the latest changes showed many stopping by throughout the day. Perhaps if people can give a general time frame they are most likely to be here, then others will be able to nudge their times so we can get 2, 3, 10 people in the place at the same time.
Kringe 20:36:18 pm CDT
it is hit and miss for Me since I work offshore and do not have a truely set work time I get online when I can ..
Ulrich 20:37:10 pm CDT
Laroona what more needs to be done? The site seems to be improving every day. He's been cleaning up the mess, or so it appears to me.
Cavy 20:38:41 pm CDT
Ulrich Im English so its hard sometimes for people to be her when I am but I stay on till about 3am My time
Laroona - Scribe 20:39:04 pm CDT
Links need adding changing font colors the links need to open to blank pages those are some Gary has been mailed so often I give up
Ulrich 20:40:20 pm CDT
Arrgh Cavy you're up late. Lol
Laroona - Scribe 20:40:42 pm CDT
but on the other hand I still think it is up to those pledged of GS to spend time in GS but that is only my opinion unless we are in GINN and encouraging people to come to GS
Cavy 20:41:11 pm CDT
lol I dont start work till 10 am so its not too bad
Laroona - Scribe 20:41:42 pm CDT
also the leave needs adding so ppl know when one has left LOL
Ulrich 20:42:39 pm CDT
Laroona could you send me your list of grievances in an email? I know I'm not a Captain, and I don't necessarily pull any extra weight with the Webmaster, but perhaps a new voice will annoy him enough more that he'll fix whatever he hasn't. But the font seems to be working for me. I can change the color, and it doesn't change on a whim.
Laroona - Scribe 20:44:16 pm CDT
Ulrich often in rooms the font changes the default font in Piazza is puky
blckrose{Zor} 20:44:32 pm CDT
Webbie finally did add that back to poolside, so am sure he could do it at GS also, about the leaving of the room
Ulrich 20:45:09 pm CDT
Well, the names remaining in the room is a side effect of him trying to let the chat last longer than 10 minutes. I bumped into him when he was first playing with that. I think he is trying to help us out. There have been complaints of no ongoing r/p because the chat doesn't stay behind. Unfortunately, with his software used on the site, if the chat is there, the name is in the room. However, the list at the top of the who is here page seems to be working correctly now.
Laroona - Scribe 20:45:11 pm CDT
will do Ulrich ((makes a note for me))
Laroona - Scribe 20:46:39 pm CDT
if it is working why is Thorfinn, luscious still listed as being here
Laroona - Scribe 20:47:25 pm CDT
PLease no cross talk etc scribes have difficult enough as it is without the hellos and goodbyes to sort out
Ulrich 20:48:25 pm CDT
Ok are there any more topics for discussion?
Laroona - Scribe 20:50:43 pm CDT
*sighs I wonder why I even bother posting a please do not do this or that*
Ulrich 20:51:57 pm CDT
Ok, if no one else has anything, I believe it's time to bring the forum to a close. I have an rti lurking any moment anyway.
Laroona - Scribe 20:53:51 pm CDT
I think from memory there was a carry over topic going to look
Laroona - Scribe 20:56:15 pm CDT
Xertog 21:26:40 pm CDT
Lets call the forum to a close and this will be a carry over topic: At what point should a slave be allowed to simply leave from burn out and same question regarding a Master or Jarl.
Laroona - Scribe 20:56:38 pm CDT
that was carry over from hand before last
Laroona - Scribe 20:58:06 pm CDT
if it pleases Council maybe it should be noted for next hand's forum *S&
Ulrich 20:58:15 pm CDT
Ahh yes thanks Laroona. I had forgotten that. So, does anyone have any thoughts on the carryover topic?
Ulrich 21:01:15 pm CDT
Ok I think many have already left. I'll send a note to the Council as a reminder of this carry-over topic, as well as one that came to me at the last ihn. Which was the use of A/all being used in GS. It is not necessary, as that is a BDSM onlineism, not one from Gor. It is stated in the GS pages
Laroona - Scribe 21:01:27 pm CDT
I forgot about that topic too so maybe a post on the boards LOL
~zoya~{K} 21:01:49 pm CDT
zoya thinks if she is burned out, no one can tell her to stay if she feels she needs to leave...if it ever got that bad
Xertog 21:02:50 pm CDT
It's less typing leaving too Ulrich.. lol .. There is something on the GS web pages about the / bdsm words.
Laroona - Scribe 21:03:55 pm CDT
LOL well if people read the site rules then it should be known LOL caitlin 21:04:39 pm CDT
read the rules Mistress ? and just why would anyone want to do that LOL
Ulrich 21:05:06 pm CDT
Aye indeed it is Xertog. lol Can you take over from here or should we just call it to a close? I have r/t tugging pretty hard
Xertog 21:06:17 pm CDT
I agree Ulrich. Lets call it to a close and carry that topic over.
Laroona - Scribe 21:06:31 pm CDT
Thank you Ulrich for moderating *S*
Cavy 21:07:16 pm CDT
aye thankYou Ulrich
shadow{Ulrich} 21:08:33 pm CDT
~smiles to her Master.. ~ shadow thanks You Master
blckrose{Zor} 21:09:25 pm CDT
Thank you Master Ulrich