Xertog 19:08:33 pm CDT
Lets get the forum started. Thank you everybody for coming. Please send me any topic suggestions.
Once the forum starts please keep greetings, role play and other unrelated talk to whispers.
Xertog
This coming Tuesday 7:30PM GS time (about 20 minutes later then now) The book discussion starts Nomads of Gor. All are welcome.
HARASSMENT - WHITE SILKS BY FM - DOES A PLEDGED FW HAVE RIGHT TO ORDER SLAVES TO IGNORE
Xertog :
first topic: How to deal with people (known goreans) who enter to harass white silks slaves and refuse to leave or stop asking to use them when asked.
Even responding with they do not care about the laws of GS.
would a FW ordering slaves to put a FM on ignore be acceptable?
Does a pledged patron have any status in such a situation?
Nerius Magnhild
aye a pledge Patron is expected to protect His home and all that are in it...its why we pledge our steel in the first place
Jake_musician nods...any pledge should step in and stop it..if not any available I would think that is a Fw told a slave to place them on ignore should be heeded to..
Xertog What about in the case of a FW Nerius and there are no men of GS around?
Ulrich I would think enforcing the rules is part of defending your home.
kassi ~offers softly~ Although i haven't been part of Gorean Shores for a long time now, i would hope that any Pledged Patron of GS would be able to tell a white silk to place that person on ignore..or else if the white silk is on her own, she would save a transcript of what happened...politely explain that she cannot go against her Owners' restrictions and puts Them on ignore herself...then sends a transcript to the Captains at once..
Laroona Nerus yes, BUT when it it ignored or the Free present at told I have not respect for the laws of GS (in different words but the effect is the same)
should a FW be able to inform that FM where to go? especially if it was in the Piazza, and harassing both FW and white silks just for kicks
nassy{Cavy} nassy would pay attention to the FW and place the offender on ignore if she was told to do so
Nerius Magnhild FW are also pledged to the home and if no Men are around then the responsibility falls to them...
Cavy if there are no Men around then of course its acceptable Xertog
Zoran agrees with Nerius
Laroona all sounds fine if there is no male present or the male is otherwise busy and the male is also ignored
Nerius Magnhild no Zoran...but she can leave and explain to her owners at a later date
Laroona Captain Sandman the person knows GS and the rules it was "stuff the rules I will do as I please"
Jake_musician toss Him out on His arse ban the twit and move on..sounds simple to Me...rules are here stick to them
Zoran yes that the only way but to openly argue well a women could be killed or face striped if are rp is to be realistic to the book
Cavy was the Free pledged Laroona or not?
Laroona Zoran so you are saying if I told the non-pledged male he could not use or have a white silk slave I should be face stripped?
Laroona Captain Ulrich no he was not
kassi ~quietly speaks~ A Free Woman is afforded many rights...and is allowed to speak freely..or so some of John Normans quotes say.
Nerius Magnhild well seeing that most FW are in the piazza to begin with and white silks are restricted from the tavern...then the FW would have grounds to command the slave and should
OriginalSandman smiling to Laroona I was referring to the slave as a white silk it is the responsibility of others more experienced to look after them ,,so I say it would be appropriate for e pledged patron or FW to tell the slave to ignore a HNG
Zoran aye I am what right do you have to tell a Master what to do Laroona
you can direct them to the rules of are home but I think no more then then that
Cavy He didnt say that Laroona He said openly argue....there are ways to get the job done without arguing...just inform the girl to place Him on ignore You do the same end of argument
Laroona kassi she can speak with impunity' but I also believe that a pledge swears to uphold the laws of GS and protect those as best she can removal was the only opinion left
Zoran a Male pledge is to fight fo are home Laroona and yes a FW has right like now you can argue but out of forum I don't agree that you should
Laroona argue, inform of rules it matters little as the man was arguing he had more rights to take slaves than a FW saying he could not *shrugs*
Jake_musician would the face stripping if done by an HNG and in a safe zone be valid at any rate? thinking no so why the worry?
Cavy with You both having Him on ignore I dont see the problem
Xertog You are right Jake. It would not be valid.
Zoran agree with Cavy if you have them on ignore well then no argueing
Nerius Magnhild exactly Jake
Zoran well Jake if he were a smart Master he c and p to the Captian demanding justice then he may get his vengeance
Laroona the incident took place in the Piazza and the male was not a pledge and I would have ran anyway so the best option other than ignoring was to remove myself and the newly collared slaves so they were safe from being grabbed and Council having a decision to make
Nerius Magnhild there is no vengeance in a free zone
nassy{Cavy} Master Zoran if the "Master" was smart He wouldn't be trying to take a white silk before she was allowed
nara {GS}~t nara would hope however, that even if something was C & P'ed to a Captain, and the FW was pledged to GS... and the HNG Master was unknown, and clearly being disrespectful, that the Captains would trust the word of their own people, verse the words of some Man that just waltzed in
Cavy good point nassy
Laroona the issue is can a FW order slaves to ignore a FM? would the slaves then be in trouble?
Zoran well said nassy but a Master can do as he will but must be ready for the concqences of his actions
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS *the council would take it as it is nara and I am sure They would believe the pledged patron before the HNG S*
Cavy the slaves cant be in trouble for following an order the FW that ordered it should have to answer
Zoran lol if it is C and p then it is the truth how can it not be
Nerius Magnhild I cant find fault in a FW protecting her homes slaves
OriginalSandman I agree Nerius
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS *if the FM is going against GS rules and dosn't stop after asked, then yes FW would be allowed to and let the FM take it up with the council if He wishes?*
Cavy tis simple anyway as I have said tell the slave to press ignore button then the FW do so Herslef.....the FM has nothing to argue kill or capture...
nara {GS}~t It may be truth, Master Zoran, but nara also knows sometimes things are misunderstood, and could be interpreted different ways, considering we are in an online world, where we cannot hear the tone of one's voice. But aye, truth would be revealed either way... And sometime.. the ignore button is the easiest way to ensure no trouble is caused
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS *so very true Cavy*
Jake_musician how would and why would a girl be in trouble if a pledged member of higher status here told her to ignore some trouble maker?
she should obey the pledge and not the HNG
Laroona he can if he C&P's it Cavy if the remain in the room *S(*
Cavy then the Council will decide Laroona
nassy{Cavy} how can He cp anything Mistress Laroona but a converstation with Himself if both the FW and the slave have Him on ignore?
Laroona sighs this person was not a HNG per say
ahh yes a horny net gorean not a horny net geek LOL
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS *the ignore button can help slaves anytime they wish to use it,the Free can use it also when the need arises,so that should take care of any problem people have with HNG,s S*
nassy{Cavy} when nassy is told to put Oone on ignore she puts a c&p of the ignore message into the room
Laroona and if on ignore how can any C&P be sent to Council so they can deal with the person LOL
there is a catch 22 situation
eve curls deeper into the corner is lost and she apologies for wearing her outfit here as it is inappropriate
Jake_musician if a man wanders into a Gorean site and shows he has no honor with the rp set up in that room or site..then why even allow anything He does be valid? ignore Him and move on let Him take it up with the council if and when he sobers up?
jessenia{Rm}~t sometimes "mental ignore" has to be clicked.. where a girl.. or even a Free person.. doesn't rise to the "bait" so to speak... but still C&P's what is needed for Council to see
kassi ~Sighs softly~ Isn't it common sense...beyond this medium, we are human, and choose to be here. If a slave feels like the situation is getting out of hand, she has two options..place the Person on ignore and allow her Owners to deal with her and the Person..or ask to leave politely. If a slave remains polite, why should there be any issue? And a Gorean Shores owned slave should take her orders from Anyone who is pledged to the Homestone, since Those pledged are supposed to have Gorean Shores' best interests at heart..and have agreed to protect it the best They can.
Cavy but if He is on Ignore....the problem is over Laroona..I personally dont see the problem when that is done........how can the situation carry on...when You or the girl cant see what He is saying...
Laroona because ignore does not work properly here and whispers til get through
Jake_musician well said kassi and We all know many have in the past simply "X'ed" out as well
Cavy then just ignore the post Laroona...
Jake_musician then that would be an issue for Webmaster and not the council?
Cavy if You want the fire to go out do You add another log?...of course not
Laroona I did what was I considered best at the time informed the person he could not have white silks slaves, could not touch them listened to his I do not care for the rules etc... knew he would keep going so I removed them and myself from his touch
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS *thats exactly what others would do in Your situation Laroona S*
kassi Why can't a slave or Anyone for that matter, just ignore the person..even without the "ignore button"...surely we can resist the urge to say anything to them...Copy and Paste the lot, if need be, whispers and all and send them to the Captains...if the Woman nor slave didn't say anything...where are Tthey wrong?
Laroona thanks Emerald Forest I was trying to give GS information to 2 newly collared slaves at the time *S*
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS *because sometimes a person like that will continue for quite sometime kassi S*
Laroona kassi it is fine it was all C&P'd
so if Council have issues with the FW (aka me) I am sure I will hear about it LOl
BUIDLING A CHARACTER IN GS
Xertog Next topic: TOIPIC : Building a character in GS?
How does one take on a cast by saying I am a scribe, a warrior a builder etc
or does one say I spend X amount of time learning their caste and build a storyline from there?
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS *unless someone stays out of gor to build Their character, I would say their would build it as time progresses and They learn more about gor*
Laroona I took a break from Gor so during that time I built up a character of learning how to be a scribe,,, takes 2 pahs at least under apprenticeship.... and one still learns
Nerius Magnhild well My character is based on what I am in RT...and then add the Gorean later...then the rest is practice, practice, practice
Jake_musician when I 1st ventured to Gor I asked about a caste..was given the advice to do something you know in rt and then bring parts of it here to build upon..develop You in as personal a way as One wishes to do
Laroona Nerius and Jake good advice is it is easier to be nearer ones RT to develop a caste *S*
Zoran you build chat in the room about your caste
I am always making deal with people
Zoran agree with Jake
penny Hmmm, I've always just been me, and tried to squish who I am into a Gorean venue, not always with a ton of success.
Jake_musician bah Penny...grin
Nerius Magnhild I really think you have no choice....your own personality slips into the character as time goes by...while I may not be a RT sea Captain I am a RT warrior....with a love for the sea
Jake_musician still have calloused tips from a Les Paul of years long ago
Zoran lol I am who I am and it will show threw were ever I am
I lean down and kiss my slut as I talk to the room I missed her lips
penny *grins at Jake*
I make a pretty yucky Gorean... hehe.
You, on the other hand, do it well. *warm smiles*
Laroona LETS KEEP TO THE TOPIC
Zoran who is off topic?
OriginalSandman I also chose a caste similar to mine in RT ie Construction and I have always had an interest in sailing ships so knowledge in that area obly needed some reading on Gorean designs
Cavy Im always up for a fight so Warrior only choice LOL
Zoran aye that fits you Cavy
Laroona interesting as few rarely ever practice their caste in GS
Zoran sometimes tries to rob us LOL
doreen Whisper from Busted
So you are doreen today. Well silks i know it is you. If you post in the forum i'll tell the Captains. So get out and save your ass.
i do not appreciate this whisper...and i am not silks....just for everyones information
Zoran My character even though I am a merchant in real life I also will fight with the best of them lol so is my character here I truly believe we bring who we are make the best rp
Zoran ahhhhhhhhhhhh rob is such a harsh word Laoroona
hagel, sell maybe weg
Jake_musician I did My part when here and often..shrugs
Laroona errr well I was close Zoran LOL
penny It's difficult if you're a sailor to practice sailing in a tavern, though.... the venue somewhat limits how much a particular caste can actually be "practiced".
For the women, it's a bit easier... there is always sewing that can be toted along, or knitting. Most men's jobs entail being out doing manly rugged stuff, though, so it's tricky for them to show that off in what is essentially a bar.
Laroona I can only say what a FW sees in the Piazza not the tavern LOL
Cavy wonders how much patience the Council would have if I was swinging My sword around everywhere...and no nassy not that sword...*WEG(
Jake_musician agrees with Penny hard to piledge from a Tavern when You essentially would be away...maybe bring back the prizes won...?
Zoran LOl as I here my brother well as long as you did by the rules I not sure they have much beef with it
zoya{Rm}~t You're a male dancer, Master Cavy?
Laroona there is the training yard (hardly used)
nassy{Cavy} nassy is submissive personality in her real time though stubborn and sometime tries her will against authority....seems slave here in GS and submissive in the Dungeon is what fits her best
Zoran lol I think I use the training yard more then most of are warriors
not sure if it a good thing when most want to spare a Merchant all the time
OriginalSandman looking to Jake,, I have transacted business with MDKnight,, some of his,, ahhh found merchandise for repairs on his ship,, recently I made a deal with Nerius for some work,, cant do the work in the tavern of piazza but I can cut the deal
penny *listening to Sandman and nodding* Yeah, Bob used to bring ship manifests into the tavern and read through them... that was about all he could do that was caste related within the confines of a city, though...
Jake_musician Sandman..nods..not all things can be role played inside the rooms set up at the site...the deals can be cut..plans laid out...a welcome home had..whatever...
kiora{Rm} seems like the structure of GS would need to change in order to accommodate all the different types of role play wanting to be carried out...
Laroona kiora not really deals can be made progress reports discussed
I recall Sandman building bathhouse for Xertog and the girls decorating it all was carried out in the Piazza except the construction *S*
doreen *looks at kiora*...and that will happen when hell freezes over....there are too many people here with too many opinions...and a small few decide what we can and cannot do....*seething, her cheeks blaze, her eyes hard and piercing as she looks about*
penny kiora, I think that has always been somewhat of a problem with the tavern being a.... well.... a tavern. You can only do but so much in a bar before it gets a bit stale. A room with water might be a cool thing to have, since so many who live in Port Kar make their livings upon the Thassa.
kiora{Rm} *blinks as she looks at doreen* and you would be???
kiora{Rm} ~i agree Mistress Penny... nods
Ulrich OK people enough. Let's keep this a forum not a sandpit.
Laroona please for the sake of the scribes please keep greetings/action posts to whispers.... unless related to the topic
as they have to sort these out and in doing so could miss some ones words
thanks
Zoran 20:17:34 pm CDT
stands motion rose to join Cavy
be well all
Kyoto Hello all
nassy{Cavy} greetings Master Kyoto
lara {Cavy} greetings Master Kyoto, good to see You its been a while
penny Laroona, not trying to be ugly, but your posts policing the behavior of others is as distracting as the behavior you're trying to stop. *shrugs*
Laroona penny then maybe the message may get through
Cavy well I was ignoring it and treating it with the contemp it deserved
Laroona I think there are far too many rooms here now that are under utilized
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS *We used to have the bathhouse and it was never used S*
doreen that Master Forest would be untrue....*knowing nod*
Laroona Emerald Forest it has been returned with the Webbys restructuring
penny Laroona, I agree... lots of rooms with no one in them. Perhaps they aren't the right kind of rooms, though you'd think a market would have been busy, with slaves wanting someone to buy them pretty stuff.... heh. Though back in the day, Kasba used to sit in the tavern in the afternoons and hawk his wares... merchants can bring their goods into the tavern, but pirates can't do the same with their ships.
nara {GS}~tbath house can be a great role play as well! It is a great outlet, and is enjoyed in many homes. But it has to be encorporated.....
Jake_musician needs a bath?
Laroona why a Market was built if people go to those rooms maybe others will too IMO
doreen first you have to get people to come here.....only time people seem to be about is during forum
nassy{Cavy} nassy used the bath house
Laroona hee off limits to a FW unless she wants new necklace LOL
penny You're right, Laroona, it just takes one person having the patience to sit and attract others. Especially if it's a guy.... heh. Women always flock to the guys.... hehe.
kiora{Rm} how about the bath house be converted into docks for ships?
a bath can be roleplayed in the tavern or taken to an alcove
Cavy agrees with doreen I hardly ever see anybody here....thats why Im in DM all the time
Laroona Cavy easy fixed if you spent time in GS others would follow a bee to the honey pot so to speak
Cavy LOL We could get Sandman to build sails on the baths
kiora{Rm} i think mainly that is because forum is the one time there is bound to be others about doreen...
Cavy when Im here Laroona ppl are at work dont forget My time scale
jessenia{Rm}~t perhaps if docks or such are wanted by all.. something could be said to Gary about creating another room instead of changing the baths or another... that way we have plenty of options to choose from... jesse thinks GS even now doesn't have as many rooms as PS does.. so surely it wouldn't be too big of a problem
Laroona Cavy times are irrelevant as GS is world wide
Ulrich I think part of the problem is, people look to see who is here, and see no one, so they don't come in. Now 2 minutes later, someone else peeks, they see no one, so they don't come in. What if the first person stopped and hung out for a little while?
nassy{Cavy} this girl is in the Dungeon during her work time, and it's because she can't devote her full attention here, she never knows when r/t interuptions will pull her away for minutes soem times long minutes away...she is glad that her Master is understanding of that ...
Penny doreen, that is very true. Admittedly, I've looked at the whos where list from time to time, and when I see it empty, I don't drop by. I have such a limited amount of time to be online, and I'm deficient in the patience department.... hehe.... so if no one is here, I don't come in. Hopefully, there are people out there who are better people than I am, and more community spirited than I am.... ack. I'd love to see GS packed to the rafters again.
Cavy and most the patrons are american Laroona...but hey Ill come in at 3am
kiora{Rm} the problem is though jesse that PS has waaay more members than GS ever will and most of the rooms there do get used
Laroona there are many around at the same time as your evenings Cavy
same as they are in my zones the point is if ppl are here then others will often follow
doreen use to hang out....*shrugs*....was a waste of time
Laroona CaptainUlrich I agree if there was no where is then I am sure more would enter
Cavy actually You are wrong Laroona...as it is a time I know and You do not...I have to stay up till early morning to actually see Anyone here
Laroona Cavy I am not arguing the toss with you
Cavy excuse Me
Xertog We can have rooms changed for different themes like we did the Market place. But we can't make people use them. People at the forums talked up the market place room and it doesn't get used. People said they wanted a message board added for biographies at the forum two weeks ago. So we added 2 boards and only one person has posted on it. We need to also follow through as a group.
penny Admittedly, GS saw a lot more foot traffic when it was attached to poolside... there was the ability to talk to people in other rooms from other venues that isn't possible here, unless the person is somewhere else in GS.
Therefore, waiting for others to pop in wasn't as monotonous.
Deirdre *smiling and waving to Kyoto.......winking over at Penny*
Nerius Magnhild Tal Kyoto....
Kyoto Well, how about linking the who/where lists between the sites?
kiora{Rm} i've often wondered if GS would be better off going back into PS...
Laroona Kyoto speak to the Webby bet it will not happen
Laroona if there was a link to GS from the DM that may work LOL
penny Kyoto, that wouldn't solve the problem of sitting in an empty site with no one to talk to... it would only show you what you were missing over in poolside... heh.Kyoto Shrugs Same as it ever was, eh Laroona?
Jake_musician Kyoto He even has a site for Dungeon Myst..a magic realm..seems to want more traffic
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS *the reason We came here kiora was so we could have our own rooms,if we went back to PS we couldn't have as many rooms as this S*
Xertog Kyoto we could ask Gary about that. Somethings as you know first hand are tough to get from him.
zoya{Rm}~t exactly, Mistress Penny, one of the things zoya misses when GS was in the pool and why she likes to hang out in Gorean Inn sometimes, you are nearly never alone
Laroona Kyoto yep same as always like pulling teeth from a hen at times LOL
Nerius Magnhild well another day grows to a close....thanks for a very interesting forum Xertog....I will talk with You soon...perhaps share an ale....winds brothers....be well girls
Laroona Jake not many use that even though it is separate
so is merging back going to solve the problem,
as it could mean a lot of subrooms would need to be made if a move back was mooted
Nerius Magnhild waves and heads out
Jake_musician Be well Nerius
Jake_musician ponders one big happy site....seems easy to make the paying customers happy rather then mad but what do I know..being a trucker I am the last to know anything about serving customers..chuckles
Kyoto can't see how it would be difficult, the rooms are built, you just set the links to only work from the main room... say like the Piazza, which is set outside the Tavern proper.
Might make for some interesting r/p if people had to go through on the way.
penny *grinning at Jake* The trouble is, the paying customers can never make up their silly minds about what will make them happy. It can change by the end of each business day.... heh.
Laroona Jake it is hard as I do not know how GaryM keeps the sites all going to cater for all... and keep all patrons happy
Cavy well Gary is here maybe He should be asked now
Laroona Kyoto and do away with GS as a sub site ?
that could work.... be a bit of programming involved LOl
Laroona 20:50:53 pm CDT
Jake but then that brings them to external url and dot com
Xertog I think Gary could do a much better job at cross promoting the sites.
penny I just remember how much we begged back in the day for our own site, because HNG's were such a problem. Hindsight is always so much clearer, yes? Who'd have known what the numbers would do, and how little traffic the stand alone site would see, although it may be more than we think.
jessenia{Rm}~t on the other side of that.. if we have all these links over there.. to bring new people in... we have to show some kindness once they get here.. and realize they all dont come with built in Gorean knowledge.. let alone the rules of this home or the basic info....a little kindness and understanding goes along way to keep the new faces here....
Laroona jessenia I think those of GS should at least be able to show them the links and offer to answer any questions the same as most do now *S*
jessenia{Rm}~t yes Mistress.. some do.... but there are some that go about things the wrong way as well....
penny Very true, jessenia... who wants to come back to a site if they're met with hostility, or otherwise just ignored?
The key to keeping people visiting is to always have your very best host and hostess skills on board... life isn't about who can grunt the loudest... hehe.
It's always nice to make others feel welcomed and important. *smiles*
Kyoto Wow... tons of new slaves. *Grinning lasciviously*
doreen*wonder how many times she has said....todays HNG could be tomorrow's Master*
Laroona doreen or slave too for that matter
jessenia{Rm}~t if they continue to act as HNG's without appearing to want to learn the ways of Gor.. then yes.. jesse can see placing them on ignore..
but on rare occasion... it's been known for a might fine Master to be polished from a HNG
penny Absolutely, doreen.... that is an excellent philosophy. NO ONE begins life knowing everything. ALL Goreans had to walk before they could run, or swing a sword... heh.
Cavy doreen was one of the best slaves here......I can say that knowing the girl very well
Laroona I personally think this would need to be discussed with Council and the Webby to see what could be done....
kiora{Rm} ~ His pet just in kiora's opinion... maybe we shouldn't be concentrating on getting new people in... maybe we should aim for making stronger what we already have
Ulrich In my opinion, the key isn't linking the sites. The key is all of us doing our part. I've heard talk of people coming at at least 4 different times of day, if you count the times I've come and sat alone. Now how is it that all of us are coming, and not seeing anyone else?
Kyoto Timing, Ulrich.
Laroona LOL I have known some good slaves in my time at GS
but the answer could be remove the where is for a time
TARNSMAN_CAPTAIN_EMERITUS *thats true Kyoto,as I have come in a few times and have just missed some people and stayed for a bit and then when I left I know some people just missed Me as well S*
jessenia{Rm}~t jesse's main point was to show kindness to the ones who do venture here to visit and see what it's all about.... taking time to think before you speak helps alot... even just tonight.. something was said to someone who was new.. who for all appearances sake.. hurt their feelings.. and they only had no knowledge of the basics of our home
Laroona kiora I agree and often I sat at various times but then maybe I pick the wrong times too *S*
Ulrich Exactly Kyoto, timing and a bit of patience. Coming in and sitting here for 5 minutes then leaving isn't going to cut it. I've often come in and sat alone for an ahn before seeing anyone. Of course, my available time is usually at an end then, but maybe one of these days, more will zero in on a time.
ShadowHawk kind of what I think kiora.. I mean new slaves come in every other week, then are soon chased off with HNG's and even some that been around for long time.. I agree with kiora
Kyoto Maybe, if you know that you will be here at a certain time of day on a given day, post it on the boards, so people can know ahead of time. Maybe make it a fifteen minute appointment, like; "I'll be here Tuesday from Twelve noon to 12:15 EST waiting for company, I'll stay if anyone shows."
penny Maybe a time frame should be established for people to try to drop in?
Look how busy the forum night is... people know that on Sunday nights, at a particular time, other people will be here. Maybe, if people began trying to drop by on other nights after 8pm or so EST, and everyone knew that others would be trying to be here, then the numbers would come back up?
Xertog I think it is time to call the forum to a close. Thank you all for attending .. thank you jessenia for scribing.
FORUM CLOSED - thanks to jessenia and najla for scribing