Present:
Thorrn
Rollo
Bretval
Dak
Kane
snowrose
ruby
peanut
galah
maddie-anne
leatha
flicka
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:37:32 pm CST
Walking in for a moment
the Senior Captain is under the weather here and will not be able to attend.
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:38:00 pm CST
I wish all here well and look forward to being well and returning soon
Dak 19:38:26 pm CST
sorry to her that, Captain
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 19:38:57 pm CST
Master Sandman, a girl is sad to hear that, please look after Yourself. ~warm hug~
peanut~{Lita} 19:39:09 pm CST
rest well Master Sandman and get well too!
maddie~anne{T§}, blue silk slut of Tanthio§ 19:39:29 pm CST
~frowning at Master Sandman's words, she blows a kiss on wishes that He feels better soon~
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:40:47 pm CST
slipping out silently
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 19:52:01 pm CST
Looks around, a nice big crowd is in and so it is time to open the forum of tonight.
flicka, you will scribe, ain´t you.
Who has a topic or some of interest to talk about whisper it to Me.
Tals and private stuff are in whispers now.
ruby~{Randolph} 19:56:15 pm CST
dark eyes turn respectively to Jarl Thorrn..listens intently for the topic
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 19:57:20 pm CST
perks My ears up sharply to catch any even so softly whisper about a topic whcih is burning on someone´s soul . . .
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:00:02 pm CST
To let out no topic anymore an email has been mad eup by one of the Captains and everyone can send topics of interest to that email. Most of you will have had read about this on the corks:
To help streamline the forum and hopefully get it started on time, we have set up an email for people to submit topics ahead of time. Also, this will be good for those who have ideas but may not be able to attend for whatever reason.
You can send them to:
I hope we all take advantage of this new tool to make things easier for all involved.
maddie~anne{T§}, blue silk slut of Tanthio§ 20:03:28 pm CST
~pinches herself to check if the urts have attacked again~
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:04:37 pm CST
I hope this will help to gather topics for the forum and have no topics dropped when they can not be hadnled at one forum night.
Of cause this does NOT mean, that topics have to be sent in to that email before the weekly forum. At forum everyone can bring up a topic anytime by whispering it to the one who leads the forum. That email addy is just a tool for gathering topics of interest if anyone has one outside of the forum times.
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:06:43 pm CST
Big suscces for that email idea, there is aleray one message with a copy *S*S*
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:11:22 pm CST
~blue eyes remain focussed on her Master
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:11:48 pm CST
New idea« Thread started on: Nov 6th, 2014, 1:33pm
she is planning to host a talent show or if wanted a talent contest.
Looking to hold this in middle to late January and is open for both Free and kajira to participate in. Only rule she has come up with for sure that it be a maximum of four posts. she is real curious to see how many would be interested.
Here is a neccessary comment on this:
It is a good idea. I like the girls enthusiasm and I don't want to stifle or discourage the girl. Since when does any girl schedule an event in GS and/or host it? May be I'm a little old fashion. May be a kinder gentler Gor is the trend. May be I yearn for a time long past. Wasn't there a chain of command that had the slaves on the bottom? Are there any protocols? Isn't there a Council of Captains that rules GS?
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:14:31 pm CST
As the sender wrote, it is appreciated that girls have ideas to liven up the life of gor and plan, organize and take part in the events of this place but they can´t go beyond proposing such things without the Free. especial the Captains, to approve such events.
Rollo the Ax 20:15:17 pm CST
So..... basically, somebody is complaining about this * talent * contest because the idea came from a slave ????
peanut~{Lita} 20:17:10 pm CST
peanut didnt get that idea when she first read it
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:17:23 pm CST
Sorry... I thought our girls were intelligent, creative beasts... not urts only good for being kicked into the canals
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:17:24 pm CST
I don´t see someone complaining about a contest being proposed but about a slave scheduling and arranging things without asking for allowance to set details.
A slave can porpse but not make up, without allowance.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:17:34 pm CST
yes Master, snowrose has spoken to the girl..
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:18:05 pm CST
The speecj of a girl shall reflect waht she is, a slave.
maddie~anne{T§}, blue silk slut of Tanthio§ 20:18:32 pm CST
~speaking softly~ this girl assumed, which is a bad habit she has, that if the girl posted this idea, especially a GS slave, would it have not already been approved by the Council? if not, then would it not be up to the girl's Owners to correct?
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:18:37 pm CST
~kneeling back and listening, as flicka can see both sides of this discussion.~
Rollo the Ax 20:18:53 pm CST
well.... from * MY * point of view, at is kind of a crock to have a slave just jump up and say HEY, lets have a talent show....... if she did NOT get it okayed before hand it was out of place....... but I did not see anybody ... Council included .... tell her you can't do that.........
ruby~{Randolph} 20:19:50 pm CST
there is a chain of command for slaves, in all things...it should be followed
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:19:55 pm CST
the girl was told to write up her proposal and submit it to the fg..who would pass it to the Captains.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:20:52 pm CST
The girl chose to do it another way
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:23:32 pm CST
True Rollo, i also told the girl in a reply to that topic that this is a good ida. I still took it as proposla and relized that ordering air about her posting only laters.
The more important to discuss it in the forum anhd point out that girls can only make proposlas and not schedule event without an order forma Master.
Rollo the Ax 20:23:34 pm CST
Well....... I can tell you all from past experience, that to hold any type of contest is VERY hard.. rules and such... just how could each persons * talent * be shown on-line ?? how do postings show singing or dancing, or juggling or ANYTHING ???????
maddie~anne{T§}, blue silk slut of Tanthio§ 20:25:13 pm CST
With the upmost respect, snow, if that is the case, why did a girl not address huyla in correcting her or take it up the chain of command to correct the girl? this girl is confused...if snow gave a directive and it was not followed, then why is the post even still there?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:25:16 pm CST
snowrose suggested to the girl that we have a talent night...as we have had before...songs, poems ..no post limits. But she can only suggest
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:26:05 pm CST
she did, maddie..
Rollo the Ax 20:26:11 pm CST
in this medium..... on-line postings, the only way to compete is to have each person do much the same thing, and then compare just how it was done to find out just who/whom did it best or with more flair/showmanship/ability.......
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:26:14 pm CST
flicka would like to see the monthly games nights resurrected. We do need someone committed to run them, and we do need to have patrons of GS attend them. But in the past some have been great fun.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:27:00 pm CST
snowrose does not post dissenting things on the messages boards for the public to see...
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:27:06 pm CST
Perhaps that might have been the proper way... but if done so, would anything have happened?
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:27:22 pm CST
growls at My typist, i will have to shoot My scribe of tonight *l*
When a slave puts on the corks she shall remember that she is slave, a clever, intelligent, soemtimes strongwilled slave which is pleasure to deal with - but yet a slave. When slaves post on the cork (and elsewhere) have to gap that bridge between witty and pretty slave.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:27:45 pm CST
snowrose would like to see that too flicka
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:31:09 pm CST
mistress snowrose, flicka takes your point that you do not post dissenting comments on the cork board.
However if hulya disobeyed a direct order from yourself to write up a proposal and submit it to yourself for forwarding to the Council, then hulya's post should have been removed from the cork board.
Flicka is not discussing the nuts and bolts of how such a contest could be run, but rather the wording of the proposal.
maddie~anne{T§}, blue silk slut of Tanthio§ 20:32:14 pm CST
um, this girl didn't realize that dissenting is the same as correcting...but okay, it just seems simple to this one when it comes to correcting...none the less, this girl certainly appreciates the idea that huyla has and would love to attend a regular games night ~smiles~
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:32:18 pm CST
Bretval
I don´t see a reason why the girl couldn´t have asked a Captain about that idea and get His ok to post and arrange it. It is not that anything really bad already started - but it is a good and necceassary opportunity to remind that slave and her sister how a slave should act and post.
That is what Masters do with slaves and for them, to show them that they are kept in a colar and in submisison.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:32:24 pm CST
snowrose has no authority to tell a slave to remove a post...
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:32:55 pm CST
What if it had come from a Patron of GS but not a Captain?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:34:13 pm CST
There is a chain of command, which was ignored...and it is ignored frequently.
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:34:34 pm CST
I think flicka said it well.
It is not the idea which gets scolded, it is the wording.
Clever slaves take care that their wording is slavelike and pleases the Free.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:35:34 pm CST
That would be completely different, Master Bretval. Free are not bound by a chain of command
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:36:03 pm CST
Patrons are Free Persons, that includes that They have more Freedome than slaves, in proposlas and in wording them.
That is part of the Master - slave thing.
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:36:08 pm CST
mistress snowrose if the chain of command was ignored by the posting of the proposal then surely as first girl you have the authority to have the offending post removed.
flicka has no doubt that hulya meant no disrespect to anyone in her posting of an idea, but it is true that only The Council can approve um, thingy, be it a Festival, a Party or a "Take Masters on a scary/strange journey".
The wording of the post was not the words a slave would normally use.
ruby~{Randolph} 20:37:34 pm CST
the question is
did a slave usurp a direct order by the fg?...even unknowingly
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:37:48 pm CST
she would have to ask the Captains about that flicka...certainly she has never been told that she could, or in any history available heard of it happening
maddie~anne{T§}, blue silk slut of Tanthio§ 20:38:48 pm CST
~nods in agreement with flicka~
if the chain of command is frequently ignored, then this girl would hope that the Owners of the offending slave would correct that problem if brought to Their attention...this girl is pretty sure a slave would not ignore the chain of command if she was punished for not following it...so again, this girl simply doesn't understand what the problem is in getting slaves to follow it...is there something else, snow, that this girl is missing?
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:39:47 pm CST
Then perhaps it is time for Us Patrons and Captain show the same initiative as the girl did... as Keeper did with the Festival
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:39:56 pm CST
I´m totally convinced that huyla didn´t mean harm, being sassy ar soemthing like that. she is just a slave a bit of form of the conventions and was of a slave. she hasn´t been in a colar for a while and needs to be brought back into shape sometimes. That is how it is in Gor, teach the girls to be slave, even when they fail just by error or not careful thinking.
Dak 20:40:04 pm CST
would there even be a problem with holding it in the Port Kar room which is for roleplay? of which embers can change roles???
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 20:40:33 pm CST
not unknowingly ruby...The girlwas clearly told what to do, and how her proposal would be passed on for approval
It was not snow's intention to get anyone in trouble, and doesn't understand this second guessing of her..
she has not made this issue public. she accepted it, as she should
ruby~{Randolph} 20:43:20 pm CST
yes mistress..agrees hulya certainly did not mean to fall in the pickle jar..a well mannered respective girl
maddie~anne{T§}, blue silk slut of Tanthio§ 20:43:43 pm CST
this girl agrees with Jarl, this girl doesn't think that harm or "ordering" was meant by huyla, in fact this girl likes the idea, but it seems that correcting is in order for first failing to following specific instructions from the fg and second for the way it was worded...
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:44:01 pm CST
Nods to Bretval, totally agreed.
Intiatives for making our home more lively are needed.
The proposal of hulya shall not be rejected because of her wording, it is now about correcting her behaviour as slave and make it clear to the slaves of and in GS how they shall behave.
Some obeye very quickly, some need more corrections.
Like horses in the harness. They react differently to the guiding *g*
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:45:21 pm CST
~hearing the wisdom in Jarl Thorrn's words~
Aye Jarl, it is easy as a slave to overstep the mark, and it is up to the slave's Masters and in the case of Gorean Shores slaves the first girl, to be as You say "brought back into shape sometimes" to be if necessary re-educated.
It does not have to be a public humiliation, sometimes Jarl Keeper will talk seriously to flicka if He feels that flicka has spoken without due thought to her words.
Master Bretval, ~nodding~ aye, but Jarl Keeper did not propose Festival without the approval of the Council.
ruby~{Randolph} 20:47:39 pm CST
ruby often falls off the edge..although innocent in heart..she is corrected with a heavy hand
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:48:33 pm CST
. . . .then this girl would hope that the Owners of the offending slave would correct that problem if brought to Their attention ....
whispers to maddie-anne
hulya is owned by the Council of Captains and incident just gets handled by one of their owners - by discussing it in the forum as lesson for all slaves.
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:49:56 pm CST
Amazed it was held then, flicka
maddie~anne{T§}, blue silk slut of Tanthio§ 20:50:09 pm CST
yes, Jarl...
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:55:13 pm CST
I think the lesson got told now and i hope it also got learned .
The posting was public so it got discussed in public now and the slaves will learn from it.
ruby~{Randolph} 20:56:34 pm CST
"yes Jarl Thorrn"...her voice wobbling
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 20:58:51 pm CST
A good decision, Thorrn
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 20:59:02 pm CST
Jarl Thorrn, flicka agrees with You, things should always be out in the open.
A girl is sure that ruby felt her punishment far more deeply for it having been posted on the boards. ~swift hug for the red gem~
It is a salutary lesson for us all. To flicka's mind things go mouldy and fester when they are allowed to hide in dark corners.
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 20:59:15 pm CST
As i take from the discussion and from things which got whispered and from the fact that that slave is not present tonight / i wish her to recover well from her blessings /some more research must be done what happened exactly and to hear the girl / though in Gor slaves can be sentenced without being heard ....
ruby~{Randolph} 21:00:24 pm CST
that is a truism flicka...returns the hug
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:03:41 pm CST
Definitely a talk resp order to the girl is needed that she will know about her being displeasing with the wording of that posting , and if details of the actions show so about her failing by neglecting the chain of command.
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:07:08 pm CST
Jarl Thorrn may flicka throw one more thought into the works? ~sweet smile~
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:09:51 pm CST
Ducks behind a wall ... now throw your words flicka *grin*
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:12:51 pm CST
peeks up for flying words . . . .
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:12:58 pm CST
ruby can attest to this as can flicka and mistress snowrose and maddie-anne, and any other privately owned slave, when we do something wrong, the correction/punishment/training to mend our ways is swift. Sometimes it is public, sometimes it is private, but it is always swift.
A girl feels sometimes that for the GS slaves this rapid correction of a flaw/error is lacking.
A girl puts herself in hulya's place, had flicka written such a post, Jarl Keeper would have "corrected" her very swiftly, the post would have been removed forthwith and a girl would have been abjured to think more carefully in the future.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:13:50 pm CST
swift and certain, flicka
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:15:42 pm CST
One more problem of tavern owned slaves, a team survies sometimes not so effectively like one person , flicka.
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:15:45 pm CST
~chuckling~ as the Jarl ducks, nay Jarl, flicka has the hand eye coordination of a drunk monkey, should she attempt to throw anything at You it would most likely hit Master Bretval or mistress snowrose.
ruby~{Randolph} 21:15:50 pm CST
as swift as a tarns wing 'beating' before flight...tasting that fear biting on her tongue
maddie~anne{T§}, blue silk slut of Tanthio§ 21:16:12 pm CST
~quietly agreeing with flicka~
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:19:14 pm CST
~nodding~ Indeed Jarl Thorrn, but ANY Captain may correct a Tavern slave as may the first girl.
Also , flicka is not sure, but any pledged Master also may correct a tavern slave.
An old saying that a camel was created by a committee holds true.
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:20:42 pm CST
quick and swift is a good way to handle things, especially problems.
For different reasons sometime sthere are delays.
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:26:15 pm CST
The slave is absent because of an accident, she will be questioned and handled when she is available again.
I think now every important part of this has been said though not all has been done yet, the matter will stay in the focus for further actions.
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 21:26:38 pm CST
True enough, flicka.. but some Patrons are reluctant to step on the toes of the Captains when it is not an out and out case... they are restricted too
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:27:00 pm CST
Any other topic for tonight, may be soemthing to end the forum with a smile and laughter? *big smile*
ruby~{Randolph} 21:27:12 pm CST
huyla had an accident too?...ruby thought that was hazine
leatha {GS} 21:27:30 pm CST
leatha is afraid she doesn't know what the issue is tonight. she will have to read the notes once posted.
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:28:07 pm CST
Don´t be shy Bretval - even Captains know that they from this world and listen to proposals and ideas *S*
Dak 21:28:43 pm CST
how well, I know that true, Bretval !
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:29:17 pm CST
growls at Myself as i mixed up the two h`s .... you are right ruby. I mixed up the names.
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:29:22 pm CST
Jarl Thorrn, it is not even flicka's place to even know what is said to the girl. ~smiling~ the only part that flicka has to play is to hug the girl, and show sisterhood. That is to flicka's mind an important part of what we are.
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:32:01 pm CST
~evil little chuckle~ well to end on a happy note, with a laugh, flicka could attempt to brain You with a handful of ramberries, surely if a girl threw 20 or so at least one would hit You Jarl Thorrn.
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:32:31 pm CST
. . . . you are right ruby. I mixed up the names.
hmmmm, does this count as evidence that Master are not ALWAYS right????? *l*
*cups My girls ears with my hands, she doesn´t need to know that her Master said this abouting erring*
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 21:32:51 pm CST
?Then I would suggest... again... that there should be discussion for Masters on Wed while the Pretty Ones are tied up in Slave class
ruby~{Randolph} 21:33:23 pm CST
sings softly
yah yah kajirae sisterhood
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:33:40 pm CST
~big hands clamp her ears, wondering what is being said..oh oh
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:35:23 pm CST
Good idea Bretval ... You consider to lead?
Just the parallel time may not fit totally because a Captain should be able to atend slave classes too, not all of them lessons and not all the time but some of it.
Lets talk about this and make it an event for the Free of Port Kar.
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:35:36 pm CST
~frowning~ did flicka miss something? Has a Master made an error? Surely not, oh dear what is the world coming to. It will be the death of Gor as we know it.
(apologies Captain Kirk)
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:36:16 pm CST
flicka, My mom taught not to play with food!
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:37:27 pm CST
~giggling at Jarl Thorrn~ hmm it could have been fishheads Jarl.
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:38:15 pm CST
Someone called Captain Kirk??????
with this i close the forum of tonight
Some good ideas will be kept in mind, one event must still be handled.
thank you flicka for scribing *huggssssssss*
leatha {GS} 21:38:20 pm CST
a Master's class? has that happened before? sounds interesting.
ruby~{Randolph} 21:38:59 pm CST
fisheads are not food?... gets fed head often
leatha {GS} 21:39:22 pm CST
thank You for leading forum Jarl Thorrn
thank you flicka for scribing. leatha is sorry she had to miss most of it.
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:39:26 pm CST
~choking with laughter at Jarl Thorrn's icon~
Thank You for leading a worthwhile Forum Jarl.
~returning the hug, snuggling deeply into His warm embrace~
Dak 21:39:29 pm CST
thanks for leading Captain,
thanks for scribing flicka
maddie~anne{T§}, blue silk slut of Tanthio§ 21:39:39 pm CST
~sings out softly~
this slut thanks You for leading, Jarl
and flickering one for scribing ~smiles~
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 21:39:43 pm CST
I would be willing to lead ... at least on occasion.... might be able teach some HNG's how to act as well as learn some thing Myself
ruby~{Randolph} 21:40:02 pm CST
thank You Jarl Thorrn for leading
pretty flicka for scribing
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:40:19 pm CST
no leatha, it has been discussed a few times but it never happened so far.
i wonder if hell have to freeze over before it does but i will assist you Bretval in keeping this in the discussion to let it happen in here.
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:41:13 pm CST
ruby, aye flicka also, in her gruel, Jarl Keeper says waste not want not, as HE is scoffing down roast bosk and quaffing paga.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:41:34 pm CST
Thank You for leading the discussion my Master
thank you for scribing, flicka ~smiles~
Bretval: Scribe~Warrior~Merchant 21:42:20 pm CST
thanks for leading, Captain
thank you for scribing, flicka (and being a back=up, ruby)
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:42:23 pm CST
Greta idea Bretval, maybe not a permamnent event or not weekly but let it hapen every now and then and at elats omce.
Collecting topics for it at that posted email addy for the forum topics to prepare that Free meeting.
ruby~{Randolph} 21:43:18 pm CST
giggles likes being in the back up position...blush
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:44:09 pm CST
~smiles at ruby, who always ensures that we will have a record of forum~
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:44:38 pm CST
~rolling her eyes~ ruby!!!! keep it clean girl!!!
~laughing~
ruby~{Randolph} 21:46:39 pm CST
winking to flicka..girl had better keep herself clean
rolls up the back up scribe..
well wishes..joins her slumbering Jarl
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:46:56 pm CST
yes, and thank you too, ruby ..your effort is appreciated always
flicka~ slave of Jarl Keeper. 21:48:40 pm CST
~picks up her stuff, flicks a glob of ink at maddie-anne, and scuttles away cackling like an old crone who's Master has stopped giving the youth serum to.~
Fare well all.
Jarl Thorrn - Captain 21:49:04 pm CST
fare well flicka and greetings to your Jarl *S*
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure~GS~fg 21:50:08 pm CST
well wishes to the Jarl, flicka..take care
maddie~anne{T§}, blue silk slut of Tanthio§ 21:50:29 pm CST
~spattering ink from the flickering one, makes this one shake her head and plan a fitting payback for the scribe as she blows kisses and slips out the door~
ruby~{Randolph} 21:50:52 pm CST
thank you mistress..girl is pleased to serve her Jarls home in this fashion