Present:
Thadron
Dak
Kazar
Hunter
Lita
snowrose
nasreen
karinda
lilith
karma
aatira
mirren
flicka
Dak 20:07:41 pm CDT
ok, I will open the forum, I have a topic, sam rules, keep chitchat and greetings to whisper,
Today's Topic
Developing a character (Part 3): Online-isms--Do they help your character or hinder it?
Quotes For This Week
In 1966 John Norman wrote and published "The Tarnsman of Gor". Over the next 36 years he wrote 32 novels in the Gor series. Sometime in the '80's (give or take a few years) someone decided it would be cool to start an on-line Gorean community. Aren't we all glad they did! But there were some things that just couldn't be done well on-line, like keeping slaves busy or adding some excitement to story lines that might need traveling or other things not in the books. Somewhere along the way the lines got blurred and what was book and what was online-isms got jumbled.
Some people feel it doesn't matter as long as the basic precepts are there, it's still Gor. Others are adamant about sticking to the books. This has been an argument going on probably since the second day of on-line community role-play! When it comes to developing your character, sometimes you need those online-isms to get the personality you want. So is it ok? Let's talk about it.
Rask: A warrior, not an ass. Well, maybe he was an ass, but the word does not mean ass. "The terrible Rask of Treve, one of the most dreaded warriors on all Gor."
- Captive of Gor - page 62
No servery, just kitchens in the books: "Elizabeth led me to a room off a kitchen on the third floor of the cylinder."
- Assassin of Gor
"At the door of the kitchen I turned again to face her. For a long time, not speaking, we looked at one another."
- Raiders of Gor
"There was the odor of food in the kitchen, and of spilled drink. There were several yards of sausages hung on hooks... "
- Assassin of Gor
There are many other things not in the books but have been designed for online role-play such as the 3, 5, or 7 point serves, the Bazi Tea Ceremony and whether a slave can touch a weapon or not just to name a few. We can use them or not. We can even create new ones--or not.
Questions
1) Is there a particular online-ism that just drives you nuts? If so, what and why?
2) As you develop your character, how do you decide whether to behave strictly by the books or to use online-isms?
3) Isn't Gorean roleplay one big online-ism? Why or why not?
Dak 20:14:53 pm CDT
without some of the onlinisms I think it would be pretty boring
Lita, Physician 20:17:45 pm CDT
Well see Dak, that is part of the issue. Are We trying to roleplay the world of Gor as it was in the books, or are we just providing a new form of porn?
karinda {GS} 20:21:26 pm CDT
it is not entirely too easy to just do everything like it is in the books. karinda likes it that way....but we are limited here to a few rooms and mostly only the tavern being used.....and the world of Gor in the books is much more wider......many locations used.
Lita, Physician 20:23:14 pm CDT
No, it isn't necessarily easy, karinda, but I see that as part of the challenge of it. *S*
Dak 20:23:48 pm CDT
well, with everyone's limited time, I think it would be difficult to create a storyline to this !
karinda {GS} 20:24:41 pm CDT
nods agreeing with Mistress Lita. this site was built based upon the books. it is the foundation of GS......very important.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:25:24 pm CDT
With respect Mistress, flicka finds that comment rather pejorative, flicka does not see that the books of Gor are any less a " form of porn" than online role play would be.
Having said that flicka feels that we should remain as true to the "spirit" of the books as we are able. However for flicka the books are a loom on which to weave her submission.
Lita, Physician 20:25:47 pm CDT
As far as on-line-isms that drive me nuts, Don't get Me started, we'd be here all night! *LOL*
Dak 20:27:46 pm CDT
even so karinda, there are a number of onlinisms, and some have been dropped I would like reinstituted
nasreen{TH} 20:28:16 pm CDT
we have the Port Kar room and nasreen has used it many times for role play making NPC's are part of it
nasreen{TH} 20:28:45 pm CDT
we use kitchen now and girl thinks that is wise
karinda {GS} 20:28:46 pm CDT
was this before girl came to Gor Master Dak? what onlinisms ? maybe karinda doesn't know of them.
karinda {GS} 20:29:25 pm CDT
nods with nasreen......yes it is a kitchen
Lita, Physician 20:29:43 pm CDT
In my view, flicka, and again that is just Me, the books show women as being very sensual and sexual, but not exactly pornographic in the way we have pornography in this day and age.
Dak 20:30:19 pm CDT
I would like to see come back is the palms up for unrestricted and palms down for restricted
Thadron - Captain/Slave Master 20:31:07 pm CDT
we have plenty of guidance in the corks, that are definitely on-line isms, however, we gladly discuss those here and the Council modifies as necessary.. just not very often...
I agree with all points.. Dak's point of having time to keep a story line active is the problem. We have tried some role play and the reason for the room Port Kar is to use it for role play scenarios... that's the reason we had Gary build it... We continue to use the Tavern as more of an online meeting place than role-play.. but that is not by design.. just when you come in every few days, that's what seems to happen
nasreen{TH} 20:31:55 pm CDT
that is still in effect she thought Master Dak when she kneels in Tower before visitors or FW she places her palms face down
karinda {GS} 20:32:53 pm CDT
girl does place palms up because she isn't restricted Master Dak. girl didn't know this was an issue.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:33:24 pm CDT
Mistress, Your knowledge of the books is far greater than flicka's, and flicka bows to it. But, chaining a girl by the neck in the street with a box hung around her neck, for her to be fucked by any passing Man for a few coppers is not pornographic? Severe bondage and whipping of slaves is not pornographic? There are many porn sites which specialise in this kind of "sexuality".
Lita, Physician 20:34:10 pm CDT
Well Dak as I see it, again My opinion, the palms up/down was not used in the books was simply because slaves were NOT restricted. If an Owner did not want His slave used, He either put her in a chastity belt, or never let her out of HIs house. Kept her in a private garden or something. Slaves were available for sexual use the same way they were available for washing the dishes and mopping the floors.
Dak 20:36:16 pm CDT
yes, but in the books, it was very seldom you ever saw a slave restricted except for punishment, so, who wants to waste time to run to the boards to see who is or isn't !
Lita, Physician 20:36:25 pm CDT
selling sex on earth is "pornographic" because it is forbidden. Selling sex on Gor is no different than selling ice cream. It's the "attitude" thaat makes things pornographic or not. The atmosphere of the forbidden. On Gor, nothing was forbidden.
Thadron - Captain/Slave Master 20:36:32 pm CDT
Our Paga Tavern will remain one filled with slaves that are continually soliciting service, be it food, drink, or sexual activities
This paga tavern in Port Kar is known for that....
as for pornography.... we don't put up pictures of sexual activity here .. but we also don't limit a Master and slave as far as descriving sensual and sexual acts.. except for "sweetening" which we have discussed several times
Lita, Physician 20:37:11 pm CDT
Well Dak, then you don't restrict your slaves. That way nobody has to run to the board to check.
karinda {GS} 20:37:57 pm CDT
karinda thinks most of us that spend time here know what girls are restricted and what ones aren't Master Dak. girl could see what Master means when new slaves enter, or even slaves that are visiting from another site.
Dak 20:38:29 pm CDT
and I was appalled when the Captains gave into the Free Women on the sweetening, too !
Lita, Physician 20:38:53 pm CDT
ah yes, "sweetening" That was one of the on-line-isms near the top of My list of pet peeves! That, and the Bazi tea serve, and pulling the corks from wine bottles only with the teeth, and a number of other things. *chuckle* As I said, don't get Me started! *LOL*
Lita, Physician 20:39:33 pm CDT
Dak, "sweetening" was NEVER, not even Once, done in the books.
Thadron - Captain/Slave Master 20:39:45 pm CDT
that's partially true about the availability of slaves but not totally.... there were many instances where it was disrespectful to use another man's slave without consent...
even here, there still is the possibility of use above and beyond a slave's posted restrictions.... just would mean a stand off between Free... that is conceivable
Dak 20:40:06 pm CDT
I don't , but I find it insulting when I see a slave supposedly a red or yellow silk kneeling in tower other than before a Free Woman
Lita, Physician 20:41:48 pm CDT
I would agree there, Dak. And I have never seen a slave not a white silk do that here other than when kneeling before a Free Woman.
Thadron - Captain/Slave Master 20:42:05 pm CDT
you do need to report those incidents to me, Dak.....
if I see that behaviour I correct it immediately
nasreen{TH} 20:42:35 pm CDT
99% this one kneels with her thighs open..as she stated before
Lita, Physician 20:43:11 pm CDT
True Captain, but normally, when One visi9ted a Free Man's House, He would make a slave available for the Guest's use. That way there was no question of using a slave the Master might not wish used.
Thadron - Captain/Slave Master 20:43:51 pm CDT
I have to go...
reminding everyone, that the Procession to the Sea will begin in the Tavern at 730 on Thursday night... we will try to keep activities flowing Thursday eve, Friday eve, and throughout the day on Saturday...
come when you can
Dak 20:45:01 pm CDT
there is so much I prefer not to see, I seldom come in anymore !
Thadron - Captain/Slave Master 20:45:12 pm CDT
most of the slaves here are available for use.. at least by pledged Free....
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:47:11 pm CDT
may she ask what You don't like to see Master Dak
Hunter-Owner of aura 20:48:03 pm CDT
Settles and listens with interest
Dak 20:49:11 pm CDT
butchered positions and serves !
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:50:15 pm CDT
butchered? ...do you mean incomplete Master?
nasreen{TH} 20:51:27 pm CDT
then either punish the girl or cage them so that the owner can deal with them Master Dak
Dak 20:51:31 pm CDT
no, the ones just done any ole way to get it done, I think I've hear it called individuality
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:52:43 pm CDT
if You are dissatisfied with a slave's service or demeanor, please c&p it Master and send it to snowrose if it's a GS slave, or the Owner if personal..
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:52:59 pm CDT
~kneeling with the other girls on the furs, unconsciously moving a little closer to mistress snowrose, listening to Master Dak.~
Master may flicka ask You to elaborate?
nasreen{TH} 20:53:12 pm CDT
so You would rather each of us do each and every serve the exact same way Master Dak?
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:54:59 pm CDT
there are steps to a serve, but they are guidelines...each facet should be done, but not in a robotic manner...same with positions...she has seen incomplete nadus , and she is very quick to mention that to the girl...
Lita, Physician 20:55:05 pm CDT
I agree Dak, that the positions should be done properly. I'm not sure what You mean by butchered serves. Serves in the books, except at High Feasts, were not at all formal. In Taverns, which this is, the slaves often carried pitchers of paga with them and just walked down the rows of tables, filling the cups as they went, and returned to the "bartender" when the pitchers were empty. There were no "3 step serves", or "5 step serves". Except, as I said, at High Feasts, and the slaves for that were especially trained. There were n o particular restrictions on what the various drinks were served in either, except that tea and black wine were served in small cups because they were so strong. I even recall once where tea was served in glasses, in a tent in the desert.
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:55:11 pm CDT
one should show some individuality in thier serves keeping with the frame work ~~ of serve ~~ otherwise things get boring
Lita, Physician 20:58:23 pm CDT
OH, and by the way, the books show "footed bowls" sometimes. but "3 footed" is not specified. And at one time I located quotes showing paga being served in a dozen different vessels
Dak 20:58:25 pm CDT
well any serve that is not done in accordance with serving basics, to Me is butchered and an insult to a Master !vthe people that wrot the manual did so with one thing in mind consistency, if girl wants to show her individuality, she can do it with description, but not alter the serve !
karinda {GS} 20:58:45 pm CDT
expressive and detailed can only mean one thing.....individuality. karinda agrees with mistress....she doesn't wish to become R O B O T I C
Dak 21:00:19 pm CDT
well, in GS it has always been 3 footed bowl,I think it was to add description , many of the taverns used different vessels
nasreen{TH} 21:00:35 pm CDT
in that case Master Dak as mistress stated send an e-mail..
if it is this girl cage her and Master will deal with her
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:00:53 pm CDT
but the serve is not written in stone Master...why don't we all just write a paga serve, an ale serve and c&p it...we're not Stepford slaves Master...and all of You Free are not indentical to us
Lita, Physician 21:01:13 pm CDT
Yes, Dak, that is what I thought.
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:02:04 pm CDT
Mistress, well a two footed bowl would not be stable, would fall over, three feet would be the minimum needed to remain upright, the old tripod. But a bowl could of course have four or five or as many feet as you can fit around it a girl supposes.
nasreen{TH} 21:02:23 pm CDT
BASIC STEPS of ALL SERVES
1) acknowledge the serve "yes Master/Mistress XXX" and ask any questions you have about the temp or vessel if it’s not specified, then move to the kitchen with detail, this is a good chance for you to describe yourself to Him/Her
2) choose the container/vessel and test it ensuring that the vessel does not have any defects, this can be done by rubbing the rim over your cheek, over a nipple, the tender inner thigh or your belly etc... follow this by cleaning the vessel using either a rep cloth, then move to the next destination, this would be the cold room or the fire pit in most cases.... always describe the kajira more than the container
3) fetch the drink/food, if there is any prep of food or drink such as stirring then scooping out the paga etc, now is the time to do so; if kalana or ta wine it is be poured at the feet of the One you serve leave the kitchen and walk back to the Master/Mistress
4) kneel before the Master/Mistress in appropriate position, nadu for yellow and red silk and tower for white silk and restricted slaves, finish any preparations if needed with kalana or first slave blackwine etc...if no further preparation needed then lower the vessel to your lap to prepare for the offering
5) this posting if needed is for the detail of opening the kalana bottle with teeth (don't touch cork with hands) and pouring into the goblet, recorking and setting the remainder of the bottle close to the One you serve then making ready to offer drink.... or in the case of first slave blackwine, this posting is for adding sugars and milk to the blackwine
6) the vessel should be lowered to your slavebelly to represent the fire there to serve and please, lifted to rest at ones slaveheart for three-five beats, these beats of ones slaveheart should represent something though, as in passion, love, desire, respect, joy etc.... a kiss is placed below the rim to show ones devotion then the vessel is lifted upwards/outwards in offering while your head dips between your extended arms, you now speak a few words of wishful ness that you have pleased the One you serve then await for Him/Her to accept the offering
mirren~♥~Magnus~♥~ reliquum vitae suae 21:03:19 pm CDT
sitting quietly, listening with interest
Dak 21:03:38 pm CDT
well, if you notice, the serve basics specifies what should be accomplished in each post/step , I suppose, in the books Masters would just allow a slave to do things however she felt like !
Lita, Physician 21:03:41 pm CDT
correct, flicka. I don't recall ever having seen more than a 4 footed bowl, but I haven't mad a study of it, so I guess it could depend on the artistry of the maker as to how many feet there were.
Dak 21:04:22 pm CDT
notice it says basic steps of ALL serves !!
nasreen{TH} 21:05:21 pm CDT
to the knowledge of this one the girls do all three steps...
Hunter-Owner of aura 21:05:36 pm CDT
as an observer I see a clear differentiation between book slaves and GS slaves...that would be a forum to discuss interpretations at ...*S*...I believe that in itself precludes absolutes in anything
Lita, Physician 21:06:51 pm CDT
Dak, if you search through the books and read the serves, You will find They were done many different ways. For example, in the North, the bondsmaids often climbed up and sat on the table or sat in the lap of the Jarl they were serving, without asking to do so. But I never read of that being done in the South. So yes, in the books the laves pretty much served however it pleased them, or pleased their particular Owner
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:07:46 pm CDT
Master Dak, all flicka can do is reiterate what mistress snowrose, nasreen and karinda have said, if You ever find flicka to be displeasing in anyway, whether it be in her attitude, or her serving, please, cage her, cut and paste the incident and email it to her Jarl.
His email is on the corkboards, but here it is again for Any who may need it. keeper1209@gmail.com
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:07:59 pm CDT
Hunter aye depends how one interpolates ~~~`the books into actuality
Dak 21:09:37 pm CDT
I will not waste My time caging slaves or e-mailing anyone, I just won't be here, and I've been back talked to so much by slaves and told to shut so much, I don't want to waste My time on it !
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:11:02 pm CDT
Indeed Mistress Lita, it is far less formal in the North, for flicka it was hard to resist the "impropriety" of a Northern way when she and her Jarl came south.
Lita, Physician 21:11:51 pm CDT
The thing is, Hunter, even on the Web Pages, it is stated that GS tries to adhere as much to the books as is possible and reasonable. Again, My opinions are only those of a Free Woman, and while I adhere to them firmly, No One else is required to agree with them or pay any attention to them, and Most don't! *chuckle*
Dak 21:12:06 pm CDT
nadu is the most beautiful position a slave can ever do, and to see it skimmed over, is disgusting, and I don't care how many times a slave kneels she should do the complete position !
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:12:42 pm CDT
Master Dak, if a slave talks back, sasses You then You should report it...snow can't be here 24/7. Just being silently angry doesn't help solve the problem Master
karinda {GS} 21:13:50 pm CDT
does Master Dak mean when a slave comes in a positions? or everytime she kneels there during her stay?
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:14:00 pm CDT
snow agrees with that Master, and she does send back lessons and make them do it over....but she is not a mind reader, and can't correct or punish if she is not made aware of it
Dak 21:15:00 pm CDT
why when I did before I was told to shut up, so I did, they always say that is what mistress snowrose tells them to do!
Dak 21:15:59 pm CDT
everytime ,when she is in the tavern !
nasreen{TH} 21:16:49 pm CDT
after the serve is completed, kinda hard to do nadu with hands full is that when You Master Dak?
karinda {GS} 21:17:04 pm CDT
karinda cannot imagine a slave telling a Master to shut up> gasps
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:17:19 pm CDT
then if you send her the script, she will deal with it...a GS slave told You to shut up...and that snow said they don't have to do a proper position ...if Yoy mean at Your feet during a serve, yes she can't do a full nadu when her hands are full..
karinda {GS} 21:17:51 pm CDT
aye nasreen.....karinda was trying to pin point where Master Dak is frustrated in our service as well
Lita, Physician 21:18:00 pm CDT
I am reminded, with this discussion of serves, etc., of an essay written by a very well-known on-line Gorean of the early days of on-line Gor, of Silk and Steel. He wrote an amusi9ng piece about ornate serves, which I'd like to share to bring a lighter note to the discussion:
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:18:29 pm CDT
Master, with all due respect, no slave has ever talked to a Master like that or argued about it in her presence
nasreen{TH} 21:18:35 pm CDT
and she knows that mistress snowrose has never told one of us girls to back talk a Free or to tell One to shut up
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:19:02 pm CDT
girl knows that one Mistress...it's very funny
karinda {GS} 21:19:56 pm CDT
karinda might also Mistress Lita....but show it....it might be different than the one girl is thinking of.
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:20:34 pm CDT
Master Dak, flicka has never invoked "that is what her Jarl tells her to do" nor, that is what mistress snowrose tells her to do. And most certainly would never never be so rude to Master as to tell Him to shut up.
Lita, Physician 21:21:25 pm CDT
Marcus of Ar: Those Wacky Serves
Thinking back to the early days of the Silk & Steel Tavern, on IRC DALnet, in 1996, I recall that the "serves" were precisely what the name entails. The slave in question would describe herself going over, getting paga or ka-la-na or whatever, and bringing it to the Free Gorean she was serving.
Over a period of time, certain Masters made it evident that they wished to be served a certain way. The slaves complied. The serves got more complex.
Then, individuals who were new to online Gorean interaction came in, saw the more complex serves, and began to emulate them, thinking that must be "how it was done."
Then, a few creative (and probably bored) slaves started to craft their own unique service styles, applying their own "spin" to how Masters were served. Some Masters responded well to this, and praised them for it.
Other slaves saw this praise, and the "service wars" began. : )
Soon, girls were running around in dozens of channels, accusing others of "stealing my serve!" and getting more complex, and more "out there" with their service, to attact attention to themselves.
So... what had begun as a simple "paga, Master?" turned into the online equivalent of a fashion show runway. The slaves were serving in strange and unique ways in order to call attention to themselves, as a means of blatant self-advertisment. This makes a certain amount of sense, after all, since so many of the individuals who log into Gorean channels to interact as "slaves" seem simply to be people who are, for some reason or other, starved for attention; either that, or they have been duped by Western Earth's media-driven society into buying into the concept of the "Cult of Celebrity," a concept which dictates that unless one is standing in the spotlight being looked upon by a group of other people, that one has somehow "failed" as a human being. Attention is craved, and behaving online in a way which constantly calls attention to one is one way to obtain it. .....
....Eventually, we kinda had to put an end to that in S&S, simply by not responding to such long-winded, ridiculous serves... ergo, discouraging them by ignoring them.
Meanwhile, in the great Gorean hinterlands of online taverns, inns, war camps, etc., many slaves continue to run around like vulos with their heads cut off, seeking the "correct way" and inventing, or copying, bizarre service rituals, appropos of nothing Gorean.
Plus, there are still online Masters who insist on being served a particular way, which is their right. Though the zillions of variations, the proponents of each of which consider to be "correct," can be damned confusing for the slaves.
Just the other day, I dropped into an IRC channel which described itself as a Gorean tavern, and while discussing a matter with the channel owner, I made the mistake of asking for a paga.
Up jumped the "star" slave of the channel, to serve me.
Let's see... I learned all about her nipples. I noticed that she moaned softly whenever she did anything. I got to see her ass peeking out from under her silks. I got to watch as she praised the Priest-Kings, danced to the three moons of Gor, held the bowl to her heart and whispered a "lil' kajira prayer" for my health and well being.
By this time, twenty minutes had passed. I had finished my conversation with the channel owner, and just sat there, silently waiting for the paga to arrive, not wanting to insult the hospitality of the channel by leaving before it reached me.
It finally did. And the slave promptly took the bowl of paga, tucked it in and among her pubes, rubbed her you-know-what all over the rim, and presented it to me with a grand flourish.
I didn't know whether to applaud or to puke, quite frankly. The girl's ID claimed she was red-silk. Who knows what else has been in her crotch lately?
I accepted the paga and told her to return to serve others, which she did with a smile.
I set the paga down on the table and thanked the channel owner for his friendly conversation. As I was about to leave, another free man messaged me and said "I notice you didn't drink the paga that slave brought to you."
I replied... "Yes. But SHE didn't notice. She doesn't CARE. She got to do her thing, and is happy as a clam about it. Where do my needs or wants fit into her agenda, or her good time? She does this for herself. Period."
I then left the channel.
I would rather have a clumsily written, badly described, three sentence serve which is typed by the earnest hands of a girl who really has my wishes and enjoyment at heart, than a slickly written serve with an accompanying brass band and fireworks from some chick who doesn't care about me, only about herself.
But... that's just me. Some guys like "slave juice" in their beverages. Some men like a table dance along with their drink. Some men don't care about anything but the floorshow.
Now, me? I don't grade on atmosphere or the floorshow. I grade on quality of service.
Which reminds me of a little haiku I wrote, a few years back:
"Nine paragraphs? Wow!
Why won't she shut up and just
Pour the damn paga?"
I wish you well!
_Marcus_
karinda {GS} 21:22:24 pm CDT
shudders at the thought of being rude to a Master....girl would be whipped or caged....or worse.....be punished to kettleslave.....girl admits....she has a tough time with being only kettle.
Hunter-Owner of aura 21:22:39 pm CDT
I arent talking about how close the serve is to the books...I am merely suggesting that unless all GS slaves were written into being by Norman himself they cant be the same..its a human trait to be a little unique...*S*
Dak 21:23:01 pm CDT
oh slaves never tell Me shut up, but I have been told many times to not correct slaves, if slaves want to see Me in the tavern, do your serves and position by the book !
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:24:27 pm CDT
they will be far less complex than the serves we do now Master Dak...so far as she has read in the books.
Dak 21:24:46 pm CDT
the slaves are not all the same, but they make them different with description, not by altering the basics of the serve or position !
Hunter-Owner of aura 21:25:35 pm CDT
that they do
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:26:15 pm CDT
Master Hunter, flicka agrees with You, flicka has her own unique way of serving, as does lilith and mistress snowrose, or any other GS slave. We should and do follow the guidelines, but within the ambit of those guidelines, each serve is and should be unique. Imagine if we each wrote a "perfect" serve and then merely cut and pasted it each time in serving a Master. Flicka knows what her Jarl would do in that instance, and flicka shudders.
Hunter-Owner of aura 21:28:26 pm CDT
nods...if aura did that in a serve I also would be somewhat less than amused....*S*
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:28:44 pm CDT
but what exactly are the slaves not doing in serves to You Master...what is missing...and if You are displeased, You are a Master...don't stand for it then and there...correct her, chain her...and report her....
Dak 21:29:00 pm CDT
in the GS manual, I'm sure you are quite familiar with it, when it comes to serves they aren't in the books ! I'm not anting serves in GS like in the books, there were none , they just fetched whatever was requested with no fanfare, it wasn't necessary in the books !! online description is everything !
Dak 21:30:50 pm CDT
well, not done by serve basics , and most of the time when they kneel you are, I guess lucky, they open their thighs!
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:33:23 pm CDT
flicka grins nothing basic about the bondsmaiden
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:33:46 pm CDT
then it's Your right to correct her..let her what You require...insist upon...but saying over and over that we're terrible doesn't help correct the situation Master...
Hunter-Owner of aura 21:34:08 pm CDT
I agree with Dak on this aspect....bear in mind I am far from the consumate knowledgeable Gorean Master...but somethings are common sense...description is everything in itself but yet must only be description in individual style within the steps demanded
Dak 21:34:14 pm CDT
it's getting late do we need to beat this to death any longer ?
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:35:04 pm CDT
~blinks~ she certainly doesn't need to Master
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:35:11 pm CDT
~smiling~ Aye Master Kazar, we girls from the North are more rambuctious in our serving, a lot less elaborate, but we, or at least flicka tries to fit into the Southern ways.
Dak 21:35:43 pm CDT
we had this discussion before, snow, and you didn't want to hear it !
Lita, Physician 21:36:05 pm CDT
So just what ARE the "Serve Basics", Dak?
Aren't they, Get the vessel; pour the drink/prepare the food, whatever; and present it to the Free Person?
Kazar~infamous pirate 21:36:49 pm CDT
likes flickas ways ``you make things here more interesting
Dak 21:37:22 pm CDT
by the manual
Serving Basics
BASIC STEPS of ALL SERVES
1) acknowledge the serve "yes Master/Mistress XXX" and ask any questions you have about the temp or vessel if it’s not specified, then move to the kitchen with detail, this is a good chance for you to describe yourself to Him/Her
2) choose the container/vessel and test it ensuring that the vessel does not have any defects, this can be done by rubbing the rim over your cheek, over a nipple, the tender inner thigh or your belly etc... follow this by cleaning the vessel using either a rep cloth, then move to the next destination, this would be the cold room or the fire pit in most cases.... always describe the kajira more than the container
3) fetch the drink/food, if there is any prep of food or drink such as stirring then scooping out the paga etc, now is the time to do so; if kalana or ta wine it is be poured at the feet of the One you serve leave the kitchen and walk back to the Master/Mistress
4) kneel before the Master/Mistress in appropriate position, nadu for yellow and red silk and tower for white silk and restricted slaves, finish any preparations if needed with kalana or first slave blackwine etc...if no further preparation needed then lower the vessel to your lap to prepare for the offering
5) this posting if needed is for the detail of opening the kalana bottle with teeth (don't touch cork with hands) and pouring into the goblet, recorking and setting the remainder of the bottle close to the One you serve then making ready to offer drink.... or in the case of first slave blackwine, this posting is for adding sugars and milk to the blackwine
6) the vessel should be lowered to your slavebelly to represent the fire there to serve and please, lifted to rest at ones slaveheart for three-five beats, these beats of ones slaveheart should represent something though, as in passion, love, desire, respect, joy etc.... a kiss is placed below the rim to show ones devotion then the vessel is lifted upwards/outwards in offering while your head dips between your extended arms, you now speak a few words of wishful ness that you have pleased the One you serve then await for Him/Her to accept the offering
NEVER COPY & PASTE A SERVE - EVER (except bazi tea)!
Express individuality, sensuality, sexuality
karma ~ slave of Qazir~ 21:37:28 pm CDT
karma tries to do a lil of both...perhaps she'll become a silkie with alot of pizazz
Hunter-Owner of aura 21:38:35 pm CDT
looks at flicka....girl left n out of rambunctious....chuckles
nasreen{TH} 21:38:35 pm CDT
to this girls knowledge each time she has been here watching or serving
the four steps are always followed..the others when needed as to the what the Free have ordered
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:40:03 pm CDT
Master Dak, with deepest respect to You, flicka is not of the opinion that mistress snowrose does not want to hear it, nor does flicka not want to hear it, nor do any of the girls here, not want to hear it.
You have made vague generalised assertions of being mis-served and girls not assuming their positions correctly and yet when mistress snowrose has said that what You assert is not acceptable, that You should send the details to her, or to the girl's Master in the case of an owned slave, You say You will not.
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:41:24 pm CDT
~warm smile to Master Kazar~
Master Hunter. ~whispers~ shhh flicka hoped no one would notice. ~chuckles softly~
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:41:42 pm CDT
Master, never did snowrose ever not want to hear it...You told her Your requirements...which were over and above the steps...she said she would tell the girls to take every precaution and detail serving You...and she never heard again that You are still dissatisified...
Dak 21:44:30 pm CDT
I had slave I trained recently, that I began testing her on different product, and did great, I asked if se had been practicing the different serves, and she said, No, that the memorized the serve basics ! I had already told her if she was unfamiliar with the product to check the manual and it would tell her what and how it was served ! under quick note serves
Hunter-Owner of aura 21:44:42 pm CDT
I have always been treated to the highest quality serves on Gor in this place...its the plain truth as I see it..granted thats not all that often but nevertheless......
to flicka...chuckles..I dont miss much
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:45:53 pm CDT
~blushing with pleasure, knowing she has served Master Hunter~
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:45:57 pm CDT
snow didn't understand that post Master...
Dak 21:47:03 pm CDT
what did you not understand ?
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:51:27 pm CDT
don't know who the slave was..., No, that the memorized the serve basics !..didn't understand that sentence...or what Your point was...we all do that.
Dak 21:51:31 pm CDT
I will close the forum, it is very late, I thank all for coming and taking part in the conversation.
thanks flicka for scribing
Dak 21:52:41 pm CDT
when I sea 4 post serve or the different steps run together, it really turns Me off !
karinda {GS} 21:52:58 pm CDT
thank You Master Dak for leading the interesting topic this night in forum.
thank you flicka for scribing.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:53:02 pm CDT
Thank You for leading Master Dak...and thanks for scribing flicka
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:53:48 pm CDT
Thank You Master Dak for leading a very spirited forum.
Mistress Lita a girl thanks You also for trying to leven it a little with Master Marcus' notes.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:54:47 pm CDT
but the steps are always done and hopefully now the girls will try harder with You Master, but it's still vague what it is You want...
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 21:55:51 pm CDT
girl enjoyed reading the post from Master Marcus again Mistress..thank You for posting it
Lita, Physician 21:56:48 pm CDT
I like to re-read it myself every now and again, for laughs.
Hunter-Owner of aura 21:57:54 pm CDT
In My experience a 4 post serve means one of two things...the girl don't care much for the Master being served...but is bound to offer...now theres a topic fior discussion *L*.....or else rt is intruding ....in which case the girl should make that clear beforehand and the Master may decide wether to accept
Dak 22:01:18 pm CDT
aye, Hunter, but that shouldn't be allowed either, it is a reflection on the site !
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 22:03:02 pm CDT
or maybe they are intimidated when no matter what they do, how hard they try it is not good enough...then a girl gets nervous and makes mistakes
Hunter-Owner of aura 22:04:01 pm CDT
Agreed Dak....ideally it wouldn't exist...then again in that situation a Master can perhaps enjoy the power even more when attention is not given by ..shall we say love....chuckles