Xertog 19:27:42 pm CDT
At last weeks forum people thought it was a good idea to have a added message board for biographies. The board was put up a short time after the forum was over and is still waiting for somebody to make a post.
ShadowHawk 19:29:36 pm CDT
Xertog.. am curious.. is the Bio post for All or just to GS members?.. whether Pledged or slave?
Xertog 19:32:51 pm CDT
ShadowHawk the board is not restricted. It is open to be used by anybody that cares to post a biography.
ShadowHawk 19:33:14 pm CDT
nodding.. wasnt sure Xertog.. My thanks Captain..
COLLARS BDSM & GS
Xertog 19:38:19 pm CDT
First topic: collars.. it is ruled that ALL collars will be honored at GS...
but what if the collar is not Gorean but BDSM.. are they still
honored?
Laroona 19:38:56 pm CDT
Xertog with all respect is there such a ruling or is it an understanding?
ShadowHawk 19:39:09 pm CDT
hmmmmm.. *scratching Me whiskers*.. honestly, after thinking on it, the question should be.... "SHOULD they still be honored?"... since one is not the other..
ShadowHawk 19:39:44 pm CDT
I know at one time Laroona.. it was stated on entry.. ALL collars honored.. not sure bout now
Karima 19:40:33 pm CDT
BDSM and Gor are two completely different avenues. One is real, one is fantasy. One has nothing to do with the other. For one who has a BDSM collar, I don't think it should be recognized in GS. Just MHO.
Laroona 19:40:51 pm CDT
IMO and I stated this to you the other night and agreed
that they are separate BUT to ignore thos collars would be playing with fire and that many would get upset LOL
Xertog 19:41:05 pm CDT GS has honored collars from BDSM rooms. I think it helps encourage them to come to GS.
Laroona 19:42:05 pm CDT when one is one the internet it is all fantasy BDSM, Gor, Dungeons and dragons etc etc
ShadowHawk 19:42:38 pm CDT nodding.. I recall a couple slaves that came in with BDSM collars from rt.. and they used the collars in GS.. for they were under restrictions and as long as those collars were adhered, could they participate in Gor.. one that comes to mind is the girl from australia.. forget her name right off hand.. and another also being liquid dreams
Laroona 19:43:09 pm CDT would it not therefore encourage more r.p if collarings are performed in GS
even if collared in say the DM at poolside?
Symbian 19:44:08 pm CDT I was wondering how you can tell the difference wether it a Gorean Collar or BDSM as they both look the same
ShadowHawk 19:44:41 pm CDT exactly Laroona..
Xertog 19:45:26 pm CDT Symbian I don't know either, unless you were to ask.
ShadowHawk 19:45:30 pm CDT nay Symbian.. they are not all the same.. a Gorean collar is represented by the Master or Mistress being in collar.. where as in BDSM.. it is represented by the slave/submissive being in collar.. for instance.. Symbian{lynn} would be BDSM..
ShadowHawk 19:45:47 pm CDT for Gor it would be.. lynn{Symbian}
Symbian 19:46:01 pm CDT So true Xertog
ShadowHawk 19:46:10 pm CDT AND this is just an onlinism.. online purposes
Symbian 19:46:49 pm CDT Aye Shadow Hawk
zoya{Rm}~t 19:47:04 pm CD Tthen is the opposite going to hold up? what if zoya goes into DM with this collar on? they just go together, both or none
ShadowHawk 19:47:48 pm CDT and that is what should be discussed.. who would honor what and if even differences are known????
Xertog 19:48:05 pm CDTIs that right ShadowHawk? I didn't know that. I haven't spent a lot of time in those rooms.
ShadowHawk 19:49:44 pm CDT nodding..is how when I used to frequent BDSM rooms, I as well as others Mentor/Trainers taught the differences to be
{Ulrich's}shadow~t 19:49:59 pm CDT shadow doesn't think there is much truth in that Master Hawk just look at Jag.. Gor collars are worn the way a Master tells His girl to.. period
Laroona 19:51:45 pm CDT in GS it is as always honoured if a gorean collar if a slave enters if it is a BDSM collar and they enter Gor GS has a slave registry easily accessible to know if owned slave by a pledge... but there still remains a catch 22 situation GS has always over many years stated it is separate entity from BDSM, why there is no BDSM speech used etc
ShadowHawk 19:51:59 pm CDT never said it had to do with truth or not, shadow... just ways of teaching.. there is difference girl.. *firm look*
Laroona 19:53:22 pm CDT clarifying : to read GS has a slave registry easily accessible to know if owned slave by a pledged patron
{Ulrich's}shadow~t 19:53:34 pm CDT You stated it as a fact.. shadow was only pointing out that its not a fact.. a Gorean Master tells His slave how to wear His collar
Laroona 19:54:17 pm CDT shadow that is true he owns the slave and can do with as he wants *S*
ShadowHawk 19:54:34 pm CDT and I stated it as fact from BDSM point of view.. reread shadow
{Ulrich's}shadow~t 19:54:57 pm CDT *smiles to Mistress Laroona* and thats a fact..
Laroona 19:55:15 pm CDT Xertog would this not be a topic that Council could review?
{Ulrich's}shadow~t 19:55:29 pm CDT shadow did three times..
ShadowHawk 19:49:44 pm CDT
nodding..is how when I used to frequent BDSM rooms, I as well as others Mentor/Trainers taught the differences to be nuf said, not going to argue with slave over pettiness
Laroona 19:57:02 pm CDT zoya to answer your question I would say if collared in both realms then they would and should be honoured *S* sorry so late answering had the RT
Ulrich's}shadow~t 19:57:06 pm CDT *soft laugh.. * its not an argument, its a forum..
Xertog 19:58:36 pm CDT
Laroona if it is to be changed it would require a majority vote from the Council. If there are a fair amount of people here that want BDSM collars to not be honored in GS any more then I will bring the subject up to the rest of the Council.
Karima 19:59:46 pm CDT
I find it difficult to understand why a BDSM collar would be accepted in GS when a slave and sub are two completely different entities. A slave has no choice in anything she does, a sub has a choice in everything she/he does. So where do the similarities come into play and why would a sub collar be accepted in a place where they would have no choices whatsoever?
Laroona 20:02:23 pm CDT as I said earlier if they want the same Owner then why not r/p it out in both sites... simple and brings in more r/p of a slave submitting... *S*
blckrose{Zor} 20:02:48 pm CDT rose has both collars, as long as rose is respecting each chatsites rules, why would there be a problem?
Xertog 20:04:29 pm CDT Just out of curiosity rose. Were you collared in Gor? a BDSM room? both?
ShadowHawk 20:04:43 pm CDT rose, but your collar is by same person in each realm.. agreed?
the question was more focused on.. or I believe more to
the ones who only have BDSM collar...
Karima 20:04:44 pm CDT It seems as though it's the numbers that count.. do I assume this is all about quantity rather than quality?
Laroona 20:05:57 pm CDT Karima to answer that I would expect any slave entering GS to be of quality
that is why GS has trainers and certain levels to be attained as one grows in slavery *S*
{Ulrich's}shadow~t 20:06:01 pm CDT we had a Captain once collar His slave in the DM.. would that not be the same thing? guess shadow doesn't understand why it would matter
as long as they are follow site rules
blckrose{Zor} 20:06:57 pm CDT Master Xertog, roses Master frequents both DM and Gor and rose wears his collar in both places.
Master ShadowHawk, you are correct Master is the same in both places
Jake_musician 20:07:39 pm CDT if I may.... long ago when DM was started. .Gary. Rollo and Myself sat down to speak of rules...simply..when in DM respect that rolepaly..when in Gor do the same
Xertog 20:08:21 pm CDT Karima my concern is that if you tell a BDSM person that their collars won't be honored in GS that it will rub them the wrong way, they would be insulted and we would lose a potential new person. I don't think it's a about quality and quantity.
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:08:27 pm CDT *makes sense Master Jake*
blckrose{Zor} 20:08:56 pm CDT for example, if a know Gorean Master comes into DM, rose greets him as Master, if not a known Gorean Master rose greets as Sir
Jake_musician 20:09:10 pm CDT separate is/was each venue though many do travel to both.
Karima 20:09:58 pm CDT Laroona, more than once I have heard of members wanting more folk to join GS. It seems as though, to Me at least, that there is a "need" for more numbers within GS. Yet, with the numbers We have already, this place is usually dead. Where is everybody? Why do they not come and rp or chat? Gaining more members isn't the answer, I would think that quality of time and effort with current members should be the main focus before looking outward to bring in more folk. Things would work alot more smoothly if that were the case.
Laroona 20:11:01 pm CDT I would think not to tell them to bugga off so to speak but suggest that the BDSM collar is not gorean but happy to give them a GS collar heeeeee
seriously as Jake sais if they enter then abide by the rules.... but some think a collar protects them and it can be and has been abused at times....
Karima 20:13:25 pm CDT ~shrugs~ Xertog, if We had high numbers within GS who frequented here and rp, I doubt it would be an issue. Which is why I stated that I don't believe BDSM collars should be recognised here. They are 2 different realms. If a slave is collard in DM, then by all means, not a problem. But are You saying that a BDSM collar is most welcome here without being collared in GS? That would class them as "strangers" would it not?
Laroona 20:14:14 pm CDT rose there IMO is a problem a male in a BDSM room or even poolside is Sir not Master *S*
Karima well if some got off the butts and came to GS instead of BDSM then the problem is solved BUT no one can force anyone where to chat or play
I would suggest it is up to GS patrons to lead the way
Captain Sandman and I and others had some good r/p just by an entry post a couple of nights back
Xertog 20:14:49 pm CDT Well I'll let the others on the Council know of this discussion. If 3 Captains want it changed, then it will be changed.
Jake_musician 20:15:13 pm CDT in that fact then Laroona...I could simply catch any slave in DM from Gor and do the same..a capture..it has never been the DM practice to say to anyone that either collar creates safe paths anywhere..just hope they might be respected....much like traveling within Gor slaves take the chance of a capture...anyone I see coming from DM not PH or pool but DM would have been corrected in My short time here
ShadowHawk 20:17:02 pm CDT nodding.. Agreed Jake, in fact I think that is what Rollo had said.. that anything pertaining and happening in Dungeon or BDSM were not to be adhered to because of that fact.. then slaves would be susceptible everywhere...
blckrose{Zor} 20:17:24 pm CDT Mistress Laroona, is not a problem, when Master has told rose to greet them that way, hasnt been a problem
Laroona 20:17:25 pm CDT If I am correct a sub in DM is by consent Gor there is no consent...
Jake_musician 20:17:53 pm CDT that was Our agreement and each has stood by for this long those simple rules
Xertog 20:19:06 pm CDT Karima yes that is how it has been in GS. They have been honored.
Jake_musician 20:20:01 pm CDT a submissive has the right to say no..yes Laroona..yet a slave does not be rules set in Gor..she would have no such rights in DM then if played thusly and be forced a collar...though that has yet to happen..mostly a respectful sort in DM
Xertog 20:20:38 pm CDT The reality is that online Gorean collars are by consent too.
ake_musician 20:21:07 pm CDT I would agree with that as well Captain
ShadowHawk 20:21:50 pm CDT *nodding*.. I know they once were Xertog.. til I heard this harassment of how a slave would be taken in front of all regardless what anybody says..
Laroona 20:22:06 pm CDT that is so true Xertog as GS moved to accept observation collars as an example of by consent the slaves are given a choice *S*
BOOK ANNOUNCEMENT
Xertog 20:25:48 pm CDT A quick announcement:
A week from Tuesday the weekly discussion will start a new book. Nomads of Gor.
Xertog 21:09:42 pm CDT
ShadowHawk it is next week. October 2nd 7:30 GS time (US Central time)
I need to dig up that book. I think I own 2 of them if I find both I'll offer the second one to somebody that doesn't have one.
TIME IN GS
Xertog 20:33:18 pm CDT Next topic: Should or should not a Pledged Free or slave be required to come to GS for set amount of time during week to keep their Pledge and silks... to include trainer status
Deirdre 20:35:34 pm CDT I really don't like how that sounds. If I am Free, that means exactly that. No one should dictate a set amount of time. Period. R/t ALWAYS should come first......and some of us have careers and occupations that limit the amount of time that We have here.
thistle{GS} 20:37:16 pm CDT i think to be part of a Home you need to be part of the home do what is required... not just say you are part of a Home and never come home and do anyting with it.... it would also build the home... just my opinion
ShadowHawk 20:38:07 pm CDT *nodding*.. I tend to agree with thistle... why join to never come and/or participate?..
Xertog 20:38:49 pm CDT Would we have to install a time clock for people to punch in and out? lol .. I don't know how that could be enforced even if it was something we wanted to do. brb
{Ulrich's}shadow~t 20:39:19 pm CDT wow.. who is to say that? this is VT.. if RT keeps you away your first obligations are to ones kids, Man and job..
so when we use our time to study to run a class should we clock in?.. or scribe or actually read for a book study.. geez.. sorry but that don't sound right.. shadow is not free in GS but GS is recreation, not life.. RT comes first
thistle{GS} 20:40:05 pm CDT well with slaves it would be easy enough by making certain requirements like, chores, so many serves, journal writing, assignments....
Laroona 20:40:33 pm CDT RT always comes first and the old saying my dime my time applies
conversely if one has time and one is of GS then it would be nice if one entered as often even one person showing others enter....
with the see all often makes for selective entering IMO
OriginalSandman 20:41:26 pm CDT chuckling you said what I was thinking,,I do think GS patrons should spend time as they are able in GS,, but how much,, who is to decide how much ,, un enforceable rules only breed controversy
Laroona 20:41:40 pm CDT LOL Xertog a time clock.... LOL
thistle{GS} 20:42:18 pm CDT ~looks to Master Xertog and smiles~ would we get paid if we did a time clock Master?
Deirdre 20:43:10 pm CDT I know that I am probably in the minority in thinking this.....and I have been called an optimist before......but.....I truly believe that people committed to GS come in here as much as they can. I really do. I come in when I can.....though I do not stay in an empty site for hours and hours. I am impatient, and I see no purpose in doing that.
Laroona 20:43:20 pm CDT thistle you say pay for being here LOL
that would bring them in LOL
Laroona 20:44:57 pm CDT if one enters say they are a warrior why not practice on the dummy in the yard? a scribe reading and making notes a healer making potions
while one waits.... just examples.... BUT I would not like anyone to tell me when to log in or out...
Ulrich's}shadow~t 20:46:13 pm CDT *soft nod to Mistress Dierdre's words.. *
shadow agrees, those committed come when they can and do what they can with the the talents they have
thistle{GS} 20:46:39 pm CDT no not when to log in and out just say you must be in the Home 3 times a weeks or 2 or 1 or 5 or 7.... not hours just how many times you must appear in the home.
Xertog 20:47:27 pm CDT I agree Deirdre. People should come to GS because they want to not to fill a requirement.
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:48:13 pm CDT no one will ever dictate to this girl that she needs to be on line 3 times a week anywhere member's commitments have been shown by many
Laroona 20:48:20 pm CDT I know that the trainers often do a lot of work behind the scenes, reading serves, dances in emails that takes time.... and I think many are unaware how much work trainers and slaves do outside the site....
Deirdre 20:48:32 pm CDT Thank you, shadow. I think.....sometimes.....that maybe if we concentrated on the good stuff that we see happening here......the good roleplay when it happens.......the care that our slaves take in their craft.....those sorts of things.....well......that we'd all be a lot more satisfied.
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:51:06 pm CDT this girl spends hours a week training in emails and research
Laroona 20:52:32 pm CDT exactly aurora all trainers do and I for one appreciate what they do... *S* and that does not mean the slaves are doing nothing either as they are striving to be the best slaves *S*
Laroona 20:54:34 pm CDT that also goes for council members doing a lot behind the scenes, so if a Patron and slave have time toi enter I think they could.... *S*
najla {GS} 20:55:46 pm CDT but if one is studying hard to be pleasing and to understand Gor then why not be in GS some times, instead of just being a the forums? guess this one just doesnt understand why some bother at all...
Laroona 20:57:35 pm CDT conversely slaves also get better by serving in the site...
just my opinion BUT again I say no one can force anyone to be anywhere.... as much as we like when we see GS people in another room
najla {GS} 20:58:55 pm CDT actually this one has only seen in her 4 months at GS a select few come in and spend time in GS (unless they are at the forum)... Mistress Laroona being one that is always in scribing..
Deirdre 20:58:58 pm CDT I truly understand what you are saying, najia.....but.....none of us know the r/t situation of people who come here. None of us know what sort of extra time a person has. So we have to be real careful not to stand in judgment of others about that. I don't think you are being judgmental at all......I just feel that we can't know what other people are dealing with in real life.....and we can't say how much time anyone SHOULD spend in GS.
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:59:05 pm CDT aye, and because one does not understand
does not give one the right to judge why others are not or can not be there could be tons of extenuating circumstances
Laroona 21:00:55 pm CDT aurora so true little one so true we cannot be judgemental
who knows what one has going in RT.... and I for one would not like to have to send a report card in to the Council LOL
najla {GS} 21:02:55 pm CDT ~chuckles~ just because one spends more time in GS then another, does not mean she/he DOESN'T have a life...
najla {GS} 21:06:09 pm CDTso true Mistress Laroona she is not disputing rti's (because they happen to her too) she was just asking why bother if all if there is not going to be any participation?
Laroona 21:07:29 pm CDTnajla we all try when we can *S* my RT is so off the planet at times
najla {GS} 21:09:41 pm CDT yes Mistress Laroona as is najla's
FORUM CLOSED - thanks to najla for scribing