Present:
Ramses
Keeper
Dak
Bretval
Kazar
Lita
snowrose
jessenia
karinda
flicka
Dak 19:28:11 pm CDT
is the scribe ready ?
flicka-slave of Keeper 19:29:09 pm CDT
Yes Master Dak.
Dak 19:32:39 pm CDT
Tal Captain, I will turn the forum over to you
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:33:06 pm CDT
Dak, no ...carry on
I am not sure how long I can stay
flicka-slave of Keeper 19:35:14 pm CDT
~settles for forum to begin.~
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:35:50 pm CDT
Dak, I do have one issue I;d like to bring up ...
Dak 19:35:51 pm CDT
very well, , I will open the forum, same rules , keep chit chat and greetings to whispers, for the convenience of the scribe, I have a short topic
if on is in a serve then her Master leaves but feeezes her cause she made a mistake in serve ~` how long does she wait becuz she was never released `~ by her Master ~
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:36:16 pm CDT
I may not be able to stay but I;d like us all to discuss it
Dak 19:36:18 pm CDT
very well, go ahead the topic can wait
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 19:38:22 pm CDT
Surely the ten minute rule applies.
No reply for ten minutes assume the urts have got the Master and move on.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 19:38:44 pm CDT
snowrose looked it up on the webpage...we wait 10 minutes, then go on to serve Other...she was going to bring it up too...but is discombobulated today... nobody told her about time change''should she go get the quote from the manual?
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:39:55 pm CDT
The other night I had commanded akrinda to serve me
but then RT pulled Me away
I ordered her to hold the serve as RT pulled Me away
My instruction was not clear as I was not sure I could return
Bretval,I believe that it was, came in looking for a serve but karinda was uncertain if she was released
so the quston for all to discuss is how long should a slave be expected to wait for a Master to return if He is pulled away and says so ..
and in this case, I should have been more clear I understand that
but what of the time when it happens again??
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:40:17 pm CDT
walking in silently,, nodding to each one to avoid idle chatter to distract the scribes,, settling into my chair
Dak 19:41:27 pm CDT
it seems we already have a ruling on it, Captain, *smiles*
Lita, Physician 19:42:11 pm CDT
Please do, snowrose, so we have it in writing, as it were.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 19:42:12 pm CDT
**Note** A slave is permited to wait 10 ehns (minutes) if a Free is urted or has dropped off the list at the bottom of the page during a serve. After that time she can move on and serve other Free. If there are any problems the slave should in the first instance speak with the first girl or if personally owned, her owner.
Kazar~infamous pirate 19:42:21 pm CDT
Ramses aye she is owned by the council wasnt released thought you had froozed her cause the mistake was get you a ale at room temp`~
thought ~~ that was what happened ~`` ??
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:43:08 pm CDT
*laughs* as the answer is out before the issue
ok, but 10 minutes can seem like and eternity
what if the new master is impatient?
and I am not saying that He was ..just what if?
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:44:05 pm CDT
Kazar, I understand the confusion
first My words, then her mistake
but I had also left the room
Dak 19:44:24 pm CDT
slaves have rules the must follow, so I assume He must just wait it out !
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:44:50 pm CDT
Dak, not disagreeing on that one
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:45:10 pm CDT
clearing my throat,, the rule discusses a master being urted or gone from the list,, but Ramses wasnt urted,, he left with the intent to come back
Lita, Physician 19:45:12 pm CDT
Ramses, slaves often find themselves between a rock and a hard place. It is part of being a slave. she can tell the Free she must wait the 10 ehn, then if the Master she was serving hasn't returned, she will be happy to serve Him. Now the second Free may be displeased by tht, and may even punish her, but rules are rules, and no one ever said being a slave was easy.
Kazar~infamous pirate 19:45:39 pm CDT
Ramses ~~ under the circumstances thought karinda did very well she was between a rock and a hard place what to do ~
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:45:52 pm CDT
*chuckling*
so very true Lita
Dak 19:46:11 pm CDT
I would assume the rule still holds if He hasn't returned in the allotted time !
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:46:44 pm CDT
looking to Ramses ..I think the Council needs to discuss updating the rule to include if a Master intentionally leaves but doesnt return within 10 minutes
Lita, Physician 19:47:07 pm CDT
Sandman, would not the same rule still apply? if the Free had to leave, and expected to be right back, but was unable to return within a reasonable time, is that not the same, in a way, as being urted?
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:47:21 pm CDT
Sandman, My thoughts exactly ... when I brought this up
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 19:47:21 pm CDT
snowrose hates to harp, but she constantly encourages the slaves to read the manual every so often, not just cherry pick on a subject at hand it really does help..the webpage too..tavern description...things that concern us on a daily basis
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:49:01 pm CDT
*nods to snowrose*
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 19:49:11 pm CDT
It makes a lot of sense, a Master not returning after a RTI; ipso facto is the same as dropping out from an urt.
karinda {GS} 19:49:11 pm CDT
yes mistress.....karinda shall read the manual more. she does read it, but it is quite lengthy, and girl hadn't stumbled upon that for some time.
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:49:14 pm CDT
smiling to Lita,, it is reasonable to make that assumption based on the existing rule, but I prefer not to leave the slave caught between a rock and a hard place
Kazar~infamous pirate 19:50:01 pm CDT
Sandman ` ` i thought the difference here is he froze her ~~ too correct the mistake of going into the freezer get the ale ~ rather than at room temp ?? ~~` otherwise 10 min worked `
`` Ramses, Captain of GS 19:51:08 pm CDT
agrees with Sandman hat I'd like to clarify the rule though
I also left the Tavern
thinking I said I would be back
karinda {GS} 19:51:30 pm CDT
karinda was not told to freeze, she was to hold the serve
flicka-slave of Keeper 19:51:56 pm CDT
flicka fully agrees with Mistress Lita, the Master intends to return, but doesn't, His name drops off the list, same as being urted in this girl's opinion. If one wishes to be pedantic, one could start the timer at the time when the Master dropped off the list.
A little flexibilty, a lot of sweet talking to the Master Who wishes to be served, many smiles and a little figetting to indicate desire to serve a Master.
Bretval, Merchant 19:52:09 pm CDT
Since We are discussing what I did ... I told karinda to finish the serve since the ale ordered was room temp and no harm would be done if it was served at athat temp... I am not sure how long t time was infolved but I am sure it was at least 5 minutes... but I was not watching the clock
Lita, Physician 19:52:28 pm CDT
Even if He froze her, Kazar, He did state He had to leave for an rti, so I would think it would be the same. If He wanted to correct her He can do so whenever He returns.
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 19:52:39 pm CDT
karinda was told to hold the serve, not frozen ..the 10 minute rule would apply...
Ramses, Captain of GS 19:54:07 pm CDT
*chuckles*
ok .. so I think we can agree the 10 minute rule applies
we can revise the manual so that it clearly call out when a Master leaves with intent to return
lets move on now ... Dak ..you may continue now
Kazar~infamous pirate 19:54:25 pm CDT
snow was told too freeze hold the serve ~as she was enetering the rom where chiled ale was`~~ it was supposed to be at room temp `~
Bretval she never got to go beyond that ~
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 19:54:27 pm CDT
if karinda had been frozen, she could not have spoken or moved until her owner came back...it was clear the Master intended to come back, but was sidetracked
Kazar~infamous pirate 19:55:05 pm CDT
Lita ok think rti came at same time
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 19:56:56 pm CDT
Noting flicka's post.
~Gentle smile~
A little humour goes a long way.
Dak 19:58:01 pm CDT
here's the next topic
Developing a character (Part 2): Caste, Culture
Quotes For This Week
"You must learn," Torm had said matter-of-factly, "the history and legends of Gor, its geography and economics, its social structures and customs, such as the caste system and clan groups, the right of placing the Home Stone, the Places of Sanctuary, when quarter is and is not permitted in war, and so on."
- Tarnsman of Gor Book 1 Page 40
"The caste system was socially efficient, given its openness with respect to merit, but I regarded it as somehow ethically objectionable. It was still too rigid, in my opinion, particularly with respect to the selection of rulers from the High Castes and with respect to the Double Knowledge. But far more deplorable than the caste system was the institution of slavery. There were only three statuses conceivable to the Gorean mind outside of the caste system; slave, outlaw, and Priest-King. A man who refused to practice his livelihood or strove to alter status without the consent of the Council of High Castes was, by definition, an outlaw and subject to impalement."
- Tarnsman of Gor Book 1 Pages 45 - 46
"When I speak of Year Keepers and Singers it must be understood that these are not, for the Wagon Peoples, castes, but more like roles, subsidiary to their main functions, which are those of the war, herding and the hunt. They do have, however, certain clans, not castes, which specialize in certain matters, for example, the clan of healers, leather workers, salt hunters, and so on. I have already mentioned the clan of torturers. The members of these clans, however, like the Year Keepers and Singers, are all expected, first and foremost, to be, as it is said, of the wagons namely to follow, tend and protect the bosk, to be superb in the saddle, and to be skilled with the weapons of both the hunt and war."
- Nomads of Gor Book 4 Page 12
"As you might have surmised," said Misk, "your city is being rebuilt. Those of Ko-ro-ba have come from the corners of Gor, each singing, each bearing a stone to add to the walls. For many months, while you labored in our service in the Land of the Wagon Peoples, thousands upon thousands of those of Ko-ro-ba have returned to the city. Builders and others, all who were free, have worked upon the walls and towers. Ko-ro-ba rises again."
- Assassin of Gor Book 5 Page 60
"I wondered if men in this city were not proud of their castes, as were, on the whole, other Goreans, even those of the so-called lower castes. Even men of a caste as low as that of the Tarnkeepers were intolerably proud of their calling, for who else could raise and train those monstrous birds of prey? I supposed Zosk the Woodsman was proud in the knowledge that he with his great broad-headed ax could fell a tree in one blow, and that perhaps not even a Ubar could do as much."
- Outlaw of Gor Book 2 Pages 65 - 66
Questions
1) What Caste characteristics have you considered as you develop your character?
2) As you develop your character, how do you decide the region your character is from and/or will live?
3) How do slaves enhance Caste practices?
Lita, Physician 19:58:36 pm CDT
Even if she were "frozen" though, is there not a reasonable limit to how long she must remain so in the absence of the One Who ordered her so? Is it reasonable to expect her to remain frozen all even while awaiting HIs return?
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 19:59:44 pm CDT
~snuggles down in the furs to listen, loving topics about the Free.
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:00:20 pm CDT
thank you Dak ... moving on now
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:00:58 pm CDT
in my case,, my rt work involves construction and i have also read most of the fictioanl books of the age of iron meen and wooden ships, so a builder was a logical choice
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:01:57 pm CDT
~a small hand resting on His thigh, loving Him being here.~
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:04:15 pm CDT
A short answer to question three. As a slave of a scholar, flicka can read and write and does assist Me with My work, the same as she works on board ship, or anywhere for that matter.
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:04:45 pm CDT
for Me it was easy as well
I grew up in a military family
the characteristics and values I learned as I grew up
drew Me immediately to the Warrior caste
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:04:54 pm CDT
my past of course is left mysterious tho some might have seen me post of wearing a black cloak,, with yellow lining to denote my caste
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:04:56 pm CDT
Sandman ` ~living near the ocean going fishing on boats ~~~ was easy too be a Pirate ~
Dak 20:06:48 pm CDT
I began as a Builder, when I first came, I was commissioned to make a carule chair for a Captain, and later a I rebuilt a shi and slld itto anther Captain, as I take went on it became more and more necessary, to become a Warrior as well!
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:06:49 pm CDT
~smiling~ my Jarl and also makes Your ink for You and is learning how to make parchment from verr hides.
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:07:53 pm CDT
Question One; As a RT Teacher I have a deep love, nay; passion for learning, the day I stop learning is the day they will put Me in a pine box. The choice of a scholar was no choice at all, just a logical selection that reflects who and what I am and what I shall always be.
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:08:02 pm CDT
hmmm, I really cannot speak to #3
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:09:13 pm CDT
I am not surprised that many draw from RT to choose a caste
Dak 20:10:10 pm CDT
well, I a had a slave that served Me well in a sparring match once , *smiles* she is still in My kolar hopefully her time will free up soon so she can return to serving Me once again !
karinda {GS} 20:12:07 pm CDT
girl doesn't think she could answer #3 either......she has not been personally owned.....so there isn't one caste girl could get use to and help with.
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:12:37 pm CDT
As for coming from the north, I fell into that many years ago, I have always been a Jarl, not only does the archetypal Jarl fit My deplorable excess of personality, My ancestry is from the north. (Scotland and Germany; interesting combination!)
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:13:07 pm CDT
*chuckles*
Lita, Physician 20:15:37 pm CDT
Well, r/t my Grandfather was a doctor, and one of his sisters was a nurse, I used to read his medical books for entertainment when we went to visit him (this was before TV), so I picked up a lot of general medical knowledge which I could use.
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:15:53 pm CDT
~Chuckling~
It's true Ramses, every time I drink an entire bottle of Single Malt Scotch I feel like invading another country!
Kazar~infamous pirate 20:16:21 pm CDT
Keeper grins `~` german and russian~~
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:16:23 pm CDT
*laughs loudly* somehow I am not surprised Keeper
Lita, Physician 20:16:59 pm CDT
As for being from the South, I was born and raised in the south, r/t, and am still saving my Confederate money! *LOL*
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:17:49 pm CDT
~low laughs~ He drinks a lot of single malt scotch and starts muttering about The "English Sassenachs", and complaining that His kilt is too short.
Dak 20:19:21 pm CDT
I think Keeper is little further south than that, Lady, *smiles*
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:19:37 pm CDT
and how do you feel about the too short kilt, flicka? *grins
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:20:37 pm CDT
Getting back on topic, I really think that it is very important that a Master's or Free Woman's caste and persona is in some way reflective of the person behind the keyboard, not just how We want to see Ourselves.
The touch of reality in the character is very important.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:21:20 pm CDT
Master Ramses, flicka loves that His kilt is a little on the short side, and can assure You that all under it is in good working order. Pity it is getting a little tight however.
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:21:31 pm CDT
Breezy, Ramses, breezy.
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:21:49 pm CDT
from what I have heard tonight, Keeper whether it was intentional or not, we seem to have that going on
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:22:49 pm CDT
*laughs*
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:23:24 pm CDT
Nodding to Dak, if I travel due south from My place the next large body of land is called Antarctica.
Dak 20:23:46 pm CDT
aye, *smiles*
Dak 20:27:11 pm CDT
do any have anymore to offer to this topic?
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:27:49 pm CDT
seems we might have beaten this one to death, Dak
Dak 20:30:13 pm CDT
so it seems Captain, *smiles*
Dak 20:31:09 pm CDT
would also like to mention the Games night, tomorrow night, at 7:30 GS time , *smiles*
Keeper- The Keeper of flicka 20:31:48 pm CDT
~Grins at flicka.~
Games!
snowrose{JTr}~GS~fg 20:32:01 pm CDT
girl just had nothing on topic Master..
Ramses, Captain of GS 20:32:20 pm CDT
ok all
My time has expired
* gathering jesse up and tossing her over My shoulder
I wish you all well
karinda {GS} 20:33:05 pm CDT
may girl ask what game are we playing tomorrow?
Dak 20:34:19 pm CDT
if there is nothing else, I will call tonight's Forum to a close, *smile*, thanks to all that came, and contributed , and thanks flicka for scribing
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:34:37 pm CDT
~And lets face it Master Dak, when it is a topic that we slaves can speak on, well, we talk up a storm.
karinda {GS} 20:35:34 pm CDT
a girl wishes to thank Master Dak for leading forum this night
a girl would like to extend a heartfelt thanks to flicka who scribed.