CHANGES MADE BY COUNCIL
Xertog 19:23:12 pm CDT
Lets get the forum started.. Send me any topic suggestions.
There have been a couple of recent changes/Council rulings recently. Some of which came from discussions here at the forums.. Are there any questions or thoughts on them?
Also we could use a scribe.
shadow{Ulrich}~t 19:24:48 pm CDT
*holds up a pinky*
shadow will scribe..
Xertog 19:32:47 pm CDT
Nobody has a topic suggestion??
Xertog 19:41:00 pm CDT
Is everybody familiar with the simple changes the Council made about how we will have the trainers teach certain things? And why we changed them?
~ShadowDemon's whispers ~ 19:42:38 pm CDT
Master Xertog whispers is unfamiliar with these changes, where could she find the information?
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 19:42:43 pm CDT
perhaps you might go over them Brother for example hand positions for slaves
~ShadowDemon's whispers ~ 19:42:50 pm CDT
Master Xertog whispers is unfamiliar with these changes, where could she find the information?
Laroona 19:43:48 pm CDT
Xertog I am as all the web site has been altered to reflect the changes to the books
the only pages not altered are the example serves ... a note has been added to the beginning of those pages....
I am for one pleased to see the changes being made as they reflect the books and GS is going ahead as it grows over the years to be closer to the books.
Ulrich 19:44:09 pm CDT
whispers they are posted in the Council Decisions board on the corks, and
I'm not sure if they have made it to the website yet. I know that's a lot of work, and takes time.
Xertog 19:44:55 pm CDT
Here is one of them:
The term 'servery' has been widely used online for what is really a kitchen. The word servery is not used in the books.
The GS trainers have been instructed to teach not to use the word servery. The appropriate word is 'kitchen'.
The GS web pages have been changed to reflect this.
Also note that the word 'chillery' was not in the books either. The words that was used was 'cold room', or cool room.
~ShadowDemon's whispers ~ 19:45:13 pm CDT
Yes Master Ulrich whispers will check, she has not been to the corks in a while
shadow{Ulrich}~t 19:45:30 pm CDT
so is chillery not going to be used any more?
Kentucky Artist~Gorean Shores 19:46:04 pm CDT
I noted them on the boards and am very glad to see the changes.More authentic IMO
Xertog 19:46:15 pm CDT
goreanshores.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=decisions
Laroona 19:46:35 pm CDT
shadow no.... it is a cold room or cool room
~ShadowDemon's whispers~ 19:46:52 pm CDT
Thank You Master Xertog
Deirdre~Physician & Companion to Sandman 19:49:17 pm CDT
Those changes are noted, and all is good.....but I do have one suggestion.
I do not want to see ANYONE chastising a slave about the change in words right off the bat. Habits are hard to break, and I feel that We need to be mindful of that.
Ulrich 19:50:39 pm CDT
aye Deirdre. A simple gentle reminder should be sufficient for the time being.
Laroona 19:51:09 pm CDT
Deirdre I think all we need do is say there has been a changed from this to that... and it is on the boards and also on the pages....
BUT if a slave continues to use then I would be tempted to chastise her
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 19:51:15 pm CDT
I agree the slaves need to be pleasing,, but the changes of things that have been in place many years will take time
Deirdre~Physician & Companion to Sandman 19:51:28 pm CDT
*nodding to Ulrich*
Absolutely.
Xertog 19:52:16 pm CDT
I agree Deirdre. Some of these things have been used for many years. Just like the word 'rask' was used a lot at one time and it slowly faded. So will these things.
Kentucky Artist~Gorean Shores 19:52:22 pm CDT
A reminder once or twice should be sufficient,nothing harsh unless she insists on not changing it after a time
Deirdre~Physician & Companion to Sandman 19:52:35 pm CDT
*looking at Laroona*
Why? It would certainly NOT be done in rebellion by the slave. It would be a mistake....and We ALL make mistakes.
Laroona 19:53:38 pm CDT
Deirdre did you not read the first part of what I said
and If the slave ignored more than a few times I said I would, would being the operative word tempted to chastise her...
Deirdre~Physician & Companion to Sandman 19:53:56 pm CDT
Laroona....I think there are more important things for Us to look at than a misuse of words. We need to concentrate on more tangible things.
Deirdre~Physician & Companion to Sandman 19:54:38 pm CDT
Laroona....I DID read exactly what You said. I am literate.
Laroona 19:55:00 pm CDT
Deirdre OOK then so lets get to the books
a slave is a slave.. and can you tell me any Free that knows as much as the slaves?
Ulrich 19:56:16 pm CDT
Xertog I know we talked about it in last week's forum, but for those that weren't present, a reminder about palms down vs. palms up changes might be good as well.
Cavy 19:57:41 pm CDT
look at the end of the day...Frees will deal with it in their own way....no point arguing over it......some slaves are GS...some are owned....if You are going to punish chastise...just be sure its valid to do so
Laroona 19:57:56 pm CDT
Ulrich they are all in the notes so why cannot people read those
plus being on the boards *S*
Xertog 19:58:45 pm CDT
Here is some of the palms up stuff from the post on the board:
In the past in Gorean Shores girls were taught that white silks or sexually restricted slaves would kneel with their palms down and other girls would kneel with there palms up.
We are changing how that will be taught in order to follow the books more closely. JT explains it better than I can here:
"To go into the truer meaning of why a slave kneels upturned palms, you must delve into your own emotion, or feeling. If a female has her palms downward upon open thighs, at least she has some kind of focus, something to grip, but take that away, her palms clutching at nothing, leaves a more vulnerable state of mind.
Such a vulnerable state of mind is a Natural progression, one that CANNOT be trained, by a slave who feels ultimately in the power of the one she kneels before. It is an expression to say "Here I am Master, a true slave before a true Master." for a slave to be trained that way and to do that before every Man takes away that meaning, that whole psychological edge - it is a symbolisation that works, but only works when truly performed, for the right reasons, else it is merely another example of a Stepford slave.
Gorean slaves were taught to kneel with their palms down, they only turned in psychological situations, or in desperate please for attention before those they craved to serve."
shadow explained it in her words at slave class on Thursday:
"If you turn your palms up, in the presence of a Master, you are revealing your submission * to Him *, signaling a desire to please Him completely, and be found pleasing. You are leaving yourself completely opened to Him, submitting all.
would a girl really do that with *any * Master? shadow thinks not because
it does have a deeper significance then that which has been taught in the past."
No more will palms speak if a girl is restricted or not. If a girl sits in nadu, which
* is * a pleasure slave, and turns her palms to her spread thighs, she is still for use."
Laroona 19:59:00 pm CDT
Cavy a few gentle words is the best way I have found to direct a slave
Deirdre~Physician & Companion to Sandman 19:59:27 pm CDT
*looking at Laroona incredulously*
Uhmmmm.......I really don't know what the hell You are talking about now. I wasn't talking about the books. I was talking about the new words.
Laroona 19:59:57 pm CDT
Deirdre which are in the books
Ulrich 20:00:50 pm CDT
Aye Laroona the why's and what's are in the notes from last week, but the Council decision was made after last week's forum, so it would be good for the girls to have it pointed out along with kitchen, and cold room.
Cavy 20:00:55 pm CDT
so if a slave is called by a Free and she places her palms down can she be taken or not?...not collared but used?
Laroona 20:01:52 pm CDT
thank you Ulrich *S*
Ulrich 20:02:47 pm CDT
Cavy the palms are not a sign of whether the girl is available for use or not, it is her thighs.
A white silk or restricted slave should kneel in tower.
If a girl is in nadu, whether palms up or palms down, she is umm open for business so to speak.
shadow{Ulrich}~t 20:02:52 pm CDT
~smiles up to her Master.. ~
and the Free, shadow dares say..
for the change to palms will have a change on personal slaves too
'specially those that are completely restricted
Xertog 20:03:01 pm CDT
Cavy the palms down won't reflect that she is not to be taken.
Kentucky Artist~Gorean Shores 20:03:12 pm CDT
I beleive her restrictions being posted on the boards would clear that up Cavy
Laroona 20:03:41 pm CDT
Cavy there is one position nadu of a pleasure slave that can be used as I understand it
but otherwise depending on silks or any restrictions it would be a yes
Cavy 20:03:56 pm CDT
so white silks and restricted have legs shut?
{Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann~lara 20:04:26 pm CDT
this girl understands, that since she is restricted by her Master, she is to kneel in Tower to Any other Master...is that correct?
Cavy 20:04:31 pm CDT
all My girls restrictions are posted on the boards
Kentucky Artist~Gorean Shores 20:05:23 pm CDT
*S* then I think it is thighs cccccclosed no matter where her palms are
shadow{Ulrich}~t 20:05:52 pm CDT
that is stated on GS website even before the change took place..
restricted slaves sit in tower
{Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann~lara 20:07:01 pm CDT
thank you shadow, this is the first time that this girl has been restricted....so she probably was being stupid for a time...
Ulrich 20:07:48 pm CDT
Aye Cavy, unless a personal slave is kneeling before her Master of course, then it's his choice.
This is from the slave manual.
4) kneel before the Master/Mistress in appropriate position, nadu for yellow and red silk and tower for white silk and restricted slaves, finish any preparations if needed with kalana or first slave blackwine etc...if no further preparation needed then lower the vessel to your lap to prepare for the offering
It has always been there, yet we have all used the palms as the indicator in the past.
Laroona 20:08:07 pm CDT
Tower slave position
a slave kneels the same as nadu but with her knees modestly together, this variation is referred to as Tower and is typically reserved for white-silk slavegirls or slavegirls who serve a Mistress, this is a non-sexual position and palms would be down on thighs to signify this, may even cross wrist over her lap to show she is not for sexual use
Cavy 20:09:07 pm CDT
you got that nassy?.......
{Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann~lara 20:09:34 pm CDT
aye Master the girl will not again make the mistake with her thighs
Laroona 20:09:39 pm CDT
Ulrich and in the Piazza as that is always unclear
say if a FM and his slave are in the Piazza how should she kneel
thighs open or closed?
Cavy 20:10:32 pm CDT
oh nassy you can make it with Me...
Cavy 20:11:06 pm CDT
well isnt that up to her owner?
Laroona 20:11:08 pm CDT
the position quote I am sorry I missed adding cam form the GS website angelfire.com/vt/goreanshores/kajirainfo/positions.html
Ulrich 20:11:22 pm CDT
Laroona I would have to look at the room rules again, but it's always been my understanding that the girls were to kneel in tower in the Piazza, along with those dreaded camisks.
Laroona 20:12:25 pm CDT
that is my belief also Ulrich
(flipping through the site)
{Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann~lara 20:13:01 pm CDT
girl thought she read where the thighs could part as the camisk would hide her sex...
Laroona 20:13:46 pm CDT
there lies the confusion nassy
Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann~lara 20:14:12 pm CDT
aye Mistress Laroona......
Kentucky Artist~Gorean Shores 20:14:19 pm CDT
IMO. if she is kneeling in front of her Owner, it should be up to Him.I cant be offended by what I cant see
Ulrich 20:14:19 pm CDT
But it appears I was mistaken.
Piazza
1. No kill / no capture zone
2. There is no need to beg entry to the Piazza;
3. All slaves shall wear casmiks upon entry.
4. Lapping is allowed with the understanding that it is LAPPING, and NOT a sitting screw or other open scening.
5. Slaves may spread their legs. Since they are required to wear camisks or whatever other slave clothing, so even if they did spread their legs, their crotch should still be covered. So descriptions should be limited to just open legs and NOT details of anything showing.
angelfire.com/vt/goreanshores/gsinfo/short-rules.html
Laroona 20:14:29 pm CDT
From Short Room rules
3. All slaves shall wear casmiks upon entry.
4. Lapping is allowed with the understanding that it is LAPPING, and NOT a sitting screw or other open scening.
5. Slaves may spread their legs. Since they are required to wear camisks or whatever other slave clothing, so even if they did spread their legs, their crotch should still be covered. So descriptions should be limited to just open legs and NOT details of anything showing.
Laroona 20:15:16 pm CDT
LOL as Ulrich and I find at same time
maybe this is something Council could re-visit *S*
Cavy 20:15:46 pm CDT
ok that problem solved
Laroona 20:15:55 pm CDT
Kentucky that is fine but what is a FW is kneeling next to a FM in the Piazza *S*
{Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann~lara 20:16:18 pm CDT
seems pretty clear, she may part her thighs, just not state that her shaven sex is dripping for her Master..
Cavy 20:16:33 pm CDT
how many FM have companions?
Cavy 20:16:58 pm CDT
looks at nassy....LOL...is it?
Laroona 20:17:04 pm CDT
but that contradicts the latest rules LOL
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:17:39 pm CDT
~shrugs~
what restricted slave wants to spread their legs period?
Laroona 20:17:41 pm CDT
Cavy that is not always the case often a FM will invite a FW to be with them *S*
Ulrich 20:17:53 pm CDT
Well Laroona, really I see nothing wrong or ambiguous about the rules.
I was going by memory, and that seems to fail me from time to time. lol
Unless it was stated differently on the old site, or in a different area. I've noticed you have been working lately, trying to make sure things are consistent across the board, so hopefully rules or protocols that have been confusing in the past will be cleared up eventually.
Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann~lara 20:17:58 pm CDT
hazel eyes look up at her Master...
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:18:03 pm CDT
for other than her Master of course *L ~oops
Kentucky Artist~Gorean Shores 20:18:09 pm CDT
good point Laroona, but surely a camisk covers
Laroona 20:18:37 pm CDT
Ulrich as with all things new it takes time
and I understand that *S*
shadow{Ulrich}~t 20:18:40 pm CDT
and if that is true..
then all that has been said is untrue?
nadu is the position of a pleasure slave..
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:20:37 pm CDT
aurora has seen numerous times, over and over
thighs in the piazza kicked shut
Cavy 20:21:22 pm CDT
well personally I havnt seen it but for the Captains companions Laroona.....since I returned to GS.....but its just throwing another problem there....I would say look away while I enjoy the slut
shadow{Ulrich}~t 20:21:57 pm CDT
not to be rude..
but all that is being said here reteaches and causes confusion..
nadu is a pleasure slave
how can a fully restricted slave be a pleasure slave?
Laroona 20:23:43 pm CDT
Cavy there have been other Free Women in the Piazza and there is no sexual pleasure there at all....
I or any FW should not have to avert her eyes from any pleasure taking place
that is what the other rooms are for
Cavy 20:24:25 pm CDT
Laroona it was a joke but ohwell.
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 20:24:37 pm CDT
the tavern or alcoves off the tavern is te place to enjoy a slave
Laroona 20:25:37 pm CDT
Cavy if it was a joke thenn please say so
as your words are taken at face value otherwise *S*
Cavy 20:25:50 pm CDT
like yours?
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 20:25:53 pm CDT
this is good discussion tho becuase i have also heard of slaves having their thighs kicked shut,, obviously with a camisk,, that would be inappropriate
Ulrich 20:28:47 pm CDT
Sandman maybe we should discuss that in the Council.
I don't know where I got it in my head that thighs were closed in the Piazza, but it's an assumption I've made since I've been here.
And it sounds like many others have as well
Laroona 20:29:20 pm CDT
aurora well put *S*
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:29:28 pm CDT
emeralds peer up to her Master
its an assumption Master
because from day one that is what girls are told
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 20:29:40 pm CDT
I agree Ulrich before tonight i would have thought thighs shut in the piazza period ..
Cavy 20:29:48 pm CDT
aurora it doesnt happen so I dont see the big problem....who here has seen that in the piazza?
shadow{Ulrich}~t 20:29:52 pm CDT
shadow knew it was on the website about the camisk covering all of Master's treasures.. but honestly, shadow wouldn't dream of disrespecting one of the Free Woman in such a manner..
Deirdre~Physician & Companion to Sandman 20:29:56 pm CDT
*smiling at Cavy*
I understood that You were joking.
Ulrich 20:29:56 pm CDT
shadow you have a good point there. Of course she is a slave for her Master's pleasure, but not necessarily a pleasure slave. *wink*
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:30:52 pm CDT
Master Cavy
the girl believes the confusion lies within the wording of the rules
not with behavior as much *s*
Laroona 20:31:03 pm CDT
that assumption has caused a lot of confusion *S*
I personally consider that the Piazza is and was made for FW and for newcomers to learn....
Ulrich 20:32:17 pm CDT
*looking to Sandman* Sounds like this one should be pretty simple to clear up. All logic says thighs should be shut in that room.
We'll take it to the Council and see about getting this resolved.
Laroona 20:32:35 pm CDT
Cavy I for one have seen it in the Piaza when you was present *S*
it is not a new thing and happened often when a certain other FM was around
Deirdre~Physician & Companion to Sandman 20:33:30 pm CDT
I have always seen the Piazza as a peaceful place to visit and enjoy each others company. I don't believe that it was made exclusively for FW....but for the enjoyment of everyone.
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 20:33:31 pm CDT
nodding to Ulrich it might clear things up a bit
Cavy 20:33:33 pm CDT
when the hell was that Laroona
Ulrich 20:34:39 pm CDT
Cavy the problem lies in this.
Most of us have ASSUMED thighs were closed, to the point that some girls have been corrected by having them kicked shut. I haven't personally witnessed it, but I have no doubt that happened.
The rules state they can be open, just not graphically described. As it has been stated, it's a room where FW frequent, so the slaves shouldn't be put in a position of showing them disrespect.
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 20:35:39 pm CDT
well said Ulrich
Laroona 20:35:58 pm CDT
Cavy at least twice with you...
Ulrich 20:36:14 pm CDT
Ok I believe we have beat that tarn to death. Stay tuned to the Council decisions on the corks, and to the room rules. I wouldn't expect this to take too long to clear up.
Anyone have a new topic?
Laroona 20:37:00 pm CDT
well said Ulrich *S*
Deirdre that is what I assumed the Piazza was for, but still be gorean *S*
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:37:31 pm CDT
indeed Mistress Deirdre~smiles~
a more relaxed atmosphere for all
to learn, aurora recently read a note by Master Rollo regarding the piazza when it was opened and here it is:
The Piazza
Extension to the GS Happenings Section
On the First Day of the 11th Month of the Third Hand, Master Rollo the Ax posted this,
Tal, and greetings all....
Okay... a while back the Council considered the idea of a second room for Goreans in Poolside... one that would be not as strict or * hard core * as the GS Tavern.. where ppl would still be expected to act Gorean, but ( depending on just how you want to describe the rules ) things would be more relaxed or easy going... more suited for either new ppl just starting to learn about Gor, or those wanting to kick back, mello out, and NOT feel as pressured about the harsh points of Gorean life.... It was proposed that this * Piazza * would be an outside site, much like a street side cafe, or such... mostly covered for shade and rain protection, its own serving area ... tables, chairs, benches... etc. ....
it became a room more for FW since they no longer are allowed in the Tavern except for Mondays *s
Ulrich 20:37:59 pm CDT
*looking to Sandman* Pardon me bro *borrowing his staff and slamming it on the floor*
This is a forum not a spar. Let's keep it to PRODUCTIVE ON TOPIC discussion.
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 20:38:27 pm CDT
chuckling
Cavy 20:38:31 pm CDT
excuse Me Laroona.....I have never so back your mouth up now
Laroona 20:39:47 pm CDT
*looks at Cavy and shrugs*
Deirdre~Physician & Companion to Sandman 20:39:55 pm CDT
Thank you aurora....*smiling at the girl warmly*
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:40:36 pm CDT
~sighs~
wishes people would read posts thoroughly
stop interpretating and misinterpreting others words
a great part of forums are wasted with such ~
zips her lips now
Laroona 20:40:42 pm CDT
aurora thanks for that post *S*
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:41:02 pm CDT
You are most welcome Mistress Deirdre *s
Cavy 20:41:05 pm CDT
Ulrich May I have a word in private Im sick to the back teeth with this
Ulrich 20:41:54 pm CDT
*handing his staff back to him* Sorry Sandman. Just thought the sword would have been overkill. *L*
Ok anyone have a new topic? Since Xertog got pulled away, you can whisper it to me.
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 20:42:02 pm CDT
looking around the room,, are there any more topics
Ulrich 20:42:17 pm CDT
Aye Cavy go ahead
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 20:43:03 pm CDT
no Problem Brother Ulrich ,, any time
CHECKING VESSELS
Xertog 20:43:15 pm CDT
New topic:
A slave in her serves checks a vessel for flaws, this is not in the books, shall we toss this out too?
Laroona 20:47:10 pm CDT
Xertog to my way of thinking it is not in the books Council have tossed out servery, chillery
why not toss out this'
as all vessels are washed (chores)and put away, during this time they would be checked
tossing it out would also give a slave more time for a serve to describe what she is doing, her movements etc...
as every serve is typed at the time...
shadow{Ulrich}~t 20:48:31 pm CDT
*thoughtfully.. *
do we not need some onlineisms? this is VT..
pull too much out, shadow thinks we might tilter on boring..
for when do we stop pulling things, changing things?
Xertog 20:48:42 pm CDT
Are there any examples of serves in the books to go from?
Laroona 20:49:03 pm CDT
I scoured so many sites to look for "checking for flaws" and could not find a book quote supporting this
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:49:05 pm CDT
several Free are disgusted with a girl checking for flaws using her thighs, Others are not
~the question in part that arises is
some Masters will not risk their slave's flesh being marred possibly
so would the Captains risk that of their slaves?
its a simple thing that can be deleted and more emphasis into her serve and feelings/desires etc etc
{Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann~lara 20:49:36 pm CDT
checking the vessel is part of this girls serve...she describes how she checks it...
Xertog 20:50:21 pm CDT
shadow I also think if we change too much too quickly it causes a lot of confusion. People need time to get use to the recent changes.
Laroona 20:51:16 pm CDT
aurora well put
what I was trying to say too but you said it better *S*
I have once from memory seen a slave cut herself on a vessel... to me it was stupid....
carrieann {Cavy} 20:51:21 pm CDT
knowing this girl as never served in GS surely it would take away some of the effectivness if that was taken away
shadow{Ulrich}~t 20:51:25 pm CDT
*nods.. *
shadow agrees with You there Master Xertog..
the 3 changes that were just made are major changes for GS..
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:52:15 pm CDT
and even now are confusing ~*L
agrees with Master Xertog and her chain
zoya{GS}~t 20:52:22 pm CDT
the only things zoya is finding on serves is from the point of being at the Master's feet and how to serve from that point on
in a tavern, there would be a tavern Master who poured the drinks and the girls only brought them from the tavern Master to the patron
Laroona 20:52:46 pm CDT
maybe this could be put on the back burner as a future change... *S*
I for one would not be upset if a slave never checked for flaws...
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 20:54:19 pm CDT
Laroona the Captains of the Council will decide what will be front burner or back burner ,, but thank you for your input
Ulrich 20:54:22 pm CDT
Aye Xertog, we can't make it a whole new world in a hand or two. lol
But I tend to agree with what shadow just said. We're not here to "act out" the books are we?
I see Gor as taking a philosophy from the books, and living that philosophy/lifestyle here at GS. The checking of the vessel is another area a girl can put her own flavor into the serve.
zoya{GS}~t 20:54:22 pm CDT
zoya agrees that too many changes all at once will be too hard to adjust to for everyone. changes are hard enough, many can be discouraging.
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 20:56:04 pm CDT
an further more I Agree that too many changes would be too much,,, this places has rules and traditions that have been established over time ,, no need to change them all at once
Laroona 20:57:21 pm CDT
Sandman it was only a suggestion *S*
aurora{Ulrich}-t 20:57:31 pm CDT
please excuse the girl
its storming
she wishes All well
shadow{Ulrich}~t 20:58:05 pm CDT
~smiles at Master Sandman and claps.. ~
or we may walk in here one day and think we are lost..
a silk serve in GS is beautiful.. shadow would hate to
see them be a thing of the past ..
OriginalSandman-Bldr/Capt-Comp to Deirdre 20:58:52 pm CDT
ty for your suggestion Laroona ...smiling
shadow{Ulrich}~t 21:02:43 pm CDT
guess that came out wrong..
too many changes at once it just won't feel like home.. *s*
*hushes*
Xertog 21:04:25 pm CDT
I think that raps up that topic and the forum. Thank you all for coming.
{Cavy}nassy~r~t~chained to carrieann~lara 21:04:47 pm CDT
thank You Master Xertog
Ulrich 21:04:58 pm CDT
Thanks for running the forum Xertog.
shadow thanks for scribing girl