Present:
Sandman
Tanthio§
Dak
Kazar
Bretval
Sheadon
Lita
nasreen
karinda
lilith
hulya
shimmer
flicka
Dak 19:37:44 pm CDT
if any has a topic, whisper to Me and I will open the forum
nasreen{TH} 19:41:09 pm CDT
listening quietly to see if Master Dak gets a topic
Dak 19:42:12 pm CDT
ok, I will open the forum, same rules as always keep greetings and chit chat to whispers
Dak 19:43:30 pm CDT
ok, first topic ,
Newbies
Quotes For This Week
"I had a respect for caste honor. Honor was honor, in small things as well as great. How can one practice honor in great things, if not in small things?"
- Rogue of Gor, p.231
"The shortest and surest way to live with honor in the world is to be in reality what we would appear to be; all human virtues increase and strengthen themselves by the practice and experience of them." (Socrates)
"As a leader, you need courage to do what needs to be done...to do what you know is the right thing. There will always be those who tell you you’re wrong – even when you're thoroughly convinced that you’re right. There will always be some tempting you to take an easier and less resistant path. And, there will always be those who – either unintentionally or purposefully – create obstacles that will challenge your mettle. Even the very best leaders must regularly pass the courage test."
"Courage is about having the guts, nerve, and heart to do things that foster and support progress. And that begins with the realization that: 1) improvement won’t be found on the path of least resistance known as conformity, and 2) status quo is the archenemy of progress. When you think about it, "doing things the way we've always done them" requires no leadership at all.
What is there to lead to? How can others follow someone who's not going anywhere? That’s why "leadership" and "courage" must be viewed as synonymous concepts."
- From Leadership Courage by David Cottrell and Eric Harvey
"The mediocre teacher tells. The good teacher explains. The superior teacher demonstrates. The great teacher inspires." - William Arthur Ward
1) What are some things you feel every newbie, Free or slave, should know about Gorean role play?
What it means to be a Gorean. Have some idea of the basics of just how Goreans think and believe.
2) What are at least 2 pieces of advice you would give to a newbie to Gor?
3) What have you done, personally, in the last week to make Gorean Shores a place a newbie would want to come role play?
Bretval, Merchant 19:49:45 pm CDT
In My opinion the first thing a Newbie should do is listen a d learn
nasreen{TH} 19:51:07 pm CDT
nods in agreement with Master Bretval...
another thing a newbie should try and do if coming from another site is not compare or tell us that we don't do it correctly here.
Sheadon~ Pirate 19:51:11 pm CDT
well being that the books were never ment to be lived I think every one not just newbies should know were the books end and reality begins...
karinda {GS} 19:51:21 pm CDT
karinda things a bit of knowledge of Gor is best. But, karinda agrees with Master Bretval.....a slave has to listen and be wiling to learn
Dak 19:51:39 pm CDT
reading the GS info pages is a good place to begin
Dak 19:53:10 pm CDT
the reality when in a Gorean Home, is bringing Gor to Life !
Bretval, Merchant 19:54:33 pm CDT
I agree totally, Dak...
Sheadon~ Pirate 19:56:22 pm CDT
yes Dak but its all fine in Gs its what its here for... some people can't tell the difrence between reality and here
Bretval, Merchant 19:57:52 pm CDT
not only the slaves, karinda, new Masters need to show respect to regulars
Sheadon~ Pirate 19:58:50 pm CDT
when this site starts to take over RT... a newbie should know that to not let this or any other gorean site or the books take over there RT life
shimmer{GS} 19:59:13 pm CDT
well being semi new here girl knows how she felt she was scared yes she was not new to gor life... but she was new here... the first thing girl would say to a new person is read the web pages and they will get a basic knowledge of the gorean life and what goes on here... to see if it is for them.. also read the rules of the home.
Bretval, Merchant 20:01:46 pm CDT
We are not their Physicians Sheadon...
nasreen{TH} 20:02:34 pm CDT
Master and this girl have a complete understanding that rt comes first.
shimmer{GS} 20:02:41 pm CDT
girl can see your point Master Sheadon gor is captivating and if you let it it can take over your r/t
Dak 20:02:43 pm CDT
aw, but some people DO practice Gor life in RT
Dak 20:03:44 pm CDT
real time always supercedes virtual time !
lilith {GS} 20:04:17 pm CDT
*agrees with Master Sheadon and shimmer*
nasreen{TH} 20:04:42 pm CDT
flicka and Jarl Keeper do so as much as they can if girl remembers correctly
Sheadon~ Pirate 20:05:13 pm CDT
yes Dak people do practice Gor in RT but really there is no such thing as Gor its just a planet in a series of books...
lilith {GS} 20:05:15 pm CDT
Master Dak with all due respect no one can practice a TRUE Gorean lifestyle in r/t because it is just not physically possible...
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:05:27 pm CDT
smiles to Dak as I sit down I have always called that rule #1,, RT must come before VT
Sheadon~ Pirate 20:06:05 pm CDT
agrees with dak RT comes first a newbies should know that first...
lilith {GS} 20:06:23 pm CDT
*nods and agrees with Master Sandman flashing a sultry smile His way*
shimmer{GS} 20:06:58 pm CDT
smiles a sassy smile emerald orbs shining...
shimmer{GS} 20:07:30 pm CDT
that is so true Master Sandman.
Dak 20:07:45 pm CDT
yes, Sheadon, but all the precepts of it can cary over to peoples real life, I had a slave a couple years ago, that was in a Gorean relationship with her Hubby, but they were in the Gor relationship before thy married
Tanthio§ 20:09:45 pm CDT
RT always overtakes VT, Things happen at a moments notice or a text *looks to shimmer* as if that happens if all one has time to allow the room to know is rti that should be understandable to A/all.
shimmer{GS} 20:10:45 pm CDT
blushes softly thank you Master for understanding.
Bretval, Merchant 20:11:02 pm CDT
Gor is an attitude, not what is done RT to avoid scaring the normals
Sheadon~ Pirate 20:11:51 pm CDT
true Dak... but how can anyone have a Gorean relationship if Gor is not real? it would be more bdsm no?
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:12:25 pm CDT
A girl thinks it is more not allowing Virtual Reality in any form take over one's life. A person can become addicted to a Computer Game like World of Warcraft and it can destroy their life.
~smiles at nassy~ It is true that flicka and Jarl Keeper do try to live a "Gorean" lifestyle, and it is as you say nassy, we do it as much as we are able. This girl agrees with Master Sheadon in that respect, the Gor books are just that, fantasy books, but the precepts contained within them suit the way that Jarl Keeper and flicka wish to live. And so to a large extent we are "Gorean" ~low chuckle~ And no Jarl Keeper has yet to chain flicka out in the street with a coin box around her neck.
hulya{GS} 20:12:56 pm CDT
*giggles at Master Bretval's words*
Sheadon~ Pirate 20:12:59 pm CDT
true Bretval
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:13:57 pm CDT
chuckles at flicka's words I presume they have the same rules there as here about such "business"
nasreen{TH} 20:14:13 pm CDT
smiles back to flicka...
listening and learning
shimmer{GS} 20:14:56 pm CDT
everyone can choose that they do in r/t they can choose to try and live the gor life... or a D/s life style or they may have a totaly non lifestyle like my hubby and girl does as he cannot stand me doing this but knows i need it and crave it and it is the one thing he cannot give me because he does not enjoy it... but when girl enter the tavern doors girl am home and girl leave the real world behind..... and when girl exits to the kennels... she leaves her gor life here so she can function in the real world...
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:15:22 pm CDT
Yes Master Sandman, it would be frowned upon. ~chuckling~
Bretval, Merchant 20:18:27 pm CDT
Nodding to shimmer... well stated, shimmer...
Sheadon~ Pirate 20:18:53 pm CDT
I say In RT if you live the life to some its an excuse to beat woman... but there are some who enjoy it also...
nasreen{TH} 20:20:48 pm CDT
Master Sheadon it doesn't have to be about the beatings many other aspects to Gor and even BDSM then the beatings.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:20:56 pm CDT
flicka comes into Gorean Shores for precisely the same reasons as most people, to interact with people who have a similar philosophy in their relationships. To talk with others freely, to learn more about Gor and the interpretation of the books.
To form friendships.
Dak 20:21:09 pm CDT
you must take dim view of Gor, ,Sheadon, for the most part, I think online slaves are treated very well, *smiles* and in some cases better than most wives !
Bretval, Merchant 20:21:37 pm CDT
No general rule can totally demonstrate the complexities of individual needs and desires... but rule 1... R/T comes first is a good start
bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 20:22:04 pm CDT
*refrains from putting her two tarsks in...quietly curls up in the shadows and listens*
hulya{GS} 20:22:40 pm CDT
Thats unfortunately true Master Sheadon, which is why those that want to try to add some aspects of Gor into rl need to be careful
Dak 20:23:04 pm CDT
your 2 cents worth is welcome, bria, *smiles*
Tanthio§ 20:23:23 pm CDT
Basically. the links to the website should be pointed out to the "new" to GS as well the first girl's contact info to get her started.
Sheadon~ Pirate 20:24:31 pm CDT
I'm not saying online Dak yes the slaves are treated well here... I have a few people here around My area that use the gorean life to miss treat woman
Tanthio§ 20:24:35 pm CDT
if she's seriously considering making GS a home she will read and learn
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:26:17 pm CDT
I agree Tanthios.. links to the corks and the GS website should be given to newbies ,, and the suggestion to watch a little before trying to interact
hulya{GS} 20:26:37 pm CDT
girl has made sure to mention the address to the website to the visitors she meets
shimmer{GS} 20:27:36 pm CDT
girl liked that you allow her to watch a little while before she has to make the choice to go into a collar or not... girl really likes the ~O~ collar
Sheadon~ Pirate 20:27:41 pm CDT
this site is great its a place to learn about Gor
hulya{GS} 20:28:23 pm CDT
*smiles and gives shimmer a hug*
karinda {GS} 20:28:26 pm CDT
karinda did too shimmer
Dak 20:29:00 pm CDT
here is a site of people that practice Gor Real time, an in My searching it I found they take a dim view of online Gor roleplay, *smiles* real-time-gorean-life.meetup.com/ ...
shimmer{GS} 20:29:06 pm CDT
girls old home only allowed 3 visits to decide then you were forced collared...
Tanthio§ 20:29:43 pm CDT
it can be overwhelming to those who never have heard of Gor and reading the site will weed out the players.. *Nods to Sandman about observing*.. Perhaps the website should include some serve interaction so one can see since many times of the day there are none around to offer this to them.
Dak 20:29:53 pm CDT
I always make sure they have them !
Sheadon~ Pirate 20:32:26 pm CDT
online gor to me is better because it just words really if I whip some on here its not felt in rt It will cuase injury if not done right or to hard
shimmer{GS} 20:33:55 pm CDT
very true Master sheadon but the words You use can almost feel as if the girl is being whipped...
karinda {GS} 20:34:28 pm CDT
nods at shimmer's statement....absolutely correct shimmer
Tanthio§ 20:34:30 pm CDT
ahhh Sheadon. but IT DOES affect some as if they were really whipped, depending upon their level of submission.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:34:39 pm CDT
Master Dak, a girl has not been to that site, but in past experience flicka has found that people who "live the lifestyle" and take a dim view of "onliners" are a bit like "religious freaks" in that ONLY THEY ARE RIGHT AND CORRECT, no one else can be as good as they are. They are begrudgers, flicka and Jarl Keeper have no time for them.
Not everyone is in a position to "live" the lifestyle are they to be denied the enjoyment of exploring it?
bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 20:35:37 pm CDT
it's not always physical, but the mental as well
Sheadon~ Pirate 20:35:47 pm CDT
true shimmer...
Bretval, Merchant 20:36:20 pm CDT
*wink* I love both VT and RT
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:37:11 pm CDT
~smiles at Master Bretval~
nasreen{TH} 20:38:06 pm CDT
girl feels the whippings from here if done correctly
Dak 20:38:16 pm CDT
yes, that is quite true, *smiles* from what I saw of their practice of Gor many years ago, it was a very light Gor
shimmer{GS} 20:38:44 pm CDT
if the whip is used in teaching it can be a great teacher... but if the whip is used in true anger... the words used can cut worse than the whip...once Master got truly anger at girl and exploded in r/p her back was raw... but her heart hurt worse because she had angered him so badly... took girl a long time to be able to make Master trust her again... and she never forgot that lesson...
Sheadon~ Pirate 20:38:51 pm CDT
nods to flicka well said I am still learning to live the life style but I do not walk around in RT saying I'm Gorran as I do not think of My self as one.. on this site I do
bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 20:39:31 pm CDT
again, if the punishment online is given in such a way to strike that cord deep within a girl's heart and very core, the mental aspect of it can actually be more effective than anything done physically
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:40:02 pm CDT
Master Sheadon, with respect a girl thinks that You are confusing domestic abuse with consensual Dominance/submission. flicka fully agrees with shimmer, karinda and bria, the "pain" a girl can feel with an online chastisement can cut just as deeply as any physical punishment.
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:40:28 pm CDT
smiles to bria,, it has been my experience that ignoring a girl, or a harsh word is as effective a punishment as whipping
nasreen{TH} 20:41:18 pm CDT
ignoring is the absolute worse punishment online to this girl
karinda {GS} 20:41:30 pm CDT
agrees with Master Sandman .....silence is awful
Dak 20:41:37 pm CDT
I have seldom used the whip for punishment, can usually find other ways reach the same goals !
bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 20:41:38 pm CDT
in a girl's humble opinion, being ignored strikes much deeper than being whipped for an hour straight *nods to Master SandMan*
shimmer{GS} 20:43:20 pm CDT
shutters the slave box is the absolute worst on line punishment girl has found... where no one could talk to you and you could not talk to anyone ether... shivers...
hulya{GS} 20:43:40 pm CDT
agreed flicka, but girl has seem it happen where the supposed Dom just used his power to beat whichever girl they wanted for no reason *gives Master Sandman a smile* one even tried it on hulya, results weren't pretty for him
Bretval, Merchant 20:44:04 pm CDT
It is also the Master who must first learn and Master himself before Mastering a slave/sub
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:44:12 pm CDT
ooops agrees with nassy too.
Master Sheadon, very few people are able to walk around proclaiming they are Gorean, flicka wears a very discrete slave bells anklet on her left ankle, it is enough to remind her of what she is.
In the past flicka has known other slaves who also wore a "symbol" they were not real time, but their anklet or tattoo or whatever meant just as much to them as this girl's anklet means to her.
karinda {GS} 20:44:23 pm CDT
being punished to a kettle slave is pretty bad also.
nasreen{TH} 20:44:26 pm CDT
very true Master Bretval
Sheadon~ Pirate 20:45:14 pm CDT
you could be true flicka... I have a problem with that I see whipping as hurting even if asked to do so
bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 20:45:47 pm CDT
flicka, girl wears a necklace that could very well be "transformed" into a collar...discreet, but profound
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:47:13 pm CDT
~softly~ hulya, read Master Bretval's comment.
For this girl a true Master is first and foremost a Protector, any man who would beat a woman for his own self satisfaction is less than an animal in this girl's eyes and she would treat him as a thrall.
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:47:50 pm CDT
~nods to bria~
hulya{GS} 20:48:43 pm CDT
girl saw flicka, and agrees with it 100%
Tanthio§ 20:49:39 pm CDT
from My past experiences the kajira fears the whip where the subbie seeks it.
Bretval, Merchant 20:51:21 pm CDT
I would be interested in that design, bria... I know someone who would appreciate such as na gift from her Master
bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 20:51:30 pm CDT
submissives are more....masochists....*nods to Master Tanthios*
bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 20:52:59 pm CDT
Master Bretval...it's like a tiffany's necklace...silver, a heart "tag" on one end and a t shaped end to hook into one of the links by the heart
fidget {GS} 20:53:41 pm CDT
don't most kajira experience the whip when taking a new collar?
to remind them of their place and what the results were be if they are found displeasing?
or is fidget remembering it wrong
Dak 20:54:15 pm CDT
fidget is correct, *smiles*
bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 20:54:37 pm CDT
*nods to fidget in agreement* that's what happened to this girl when she first was brought to Gorean Shores a long time ago
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:55:31 pm CDT
aye fidget and I have whipped girls that needed punishment
hulya{GS} 20:55:42 pm CDT
hulya also experienced that.... unpleasentness when she was fully collared
Bretval, Merchant 20:56:12 pm CDT
You remember correctly, fidget... but it is training not punishment
Tanthio§ 20:56:44 pm CDT
Bretval.
Something like this would work and serve RT purpose. ebay.com/itm/Vintage-925-Solid-Sterling-Silver-MEXICO-Collar-Necklace-39g-/261221960188?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd20ac9fc ...
bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 20:58:10 pm CDT
Master Bretval...this is like what this girl has
ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_kw=Tiffany+%26+Co.+Sterling+Silver+Return+to+Tiffany+Heart+Toggle+Chain+Necklace+Box!
flicka-slave of Keeper 20:58:47 pm CDT
ooooh that is beautiful Master Tanthio§ ~smiling~ would You care to email Jarl Keeper that url. Hmm flicka knows here nameday has passed, but... welll........ ~twining a lock of her hair~. He just might make it an early chrissy prezzie.
Bretval, Merchant 20:59:29 pm CDT
Thanks, Tanthios... I will check it out
fidget {GS} 21:00:24 pm CDT
~nods to Master Bretval~
aye, Master ~ that is true.
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:01:37 pm CDT
~laughs softly as she looks at bria's one~ hmm sister, The Jarl does love flicka, but not that much. ~chuckling~
Dak 21:01:48 pm CDT
it's 9PM, have we beat this subject to death long enough *smiles*
Bretval, Merchant 21:01:55 pm CDT
and a thank you to bria *warm smile*
bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 21:02:15 pm CDT
*winks to flicka* bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 21:02:38 pm CDT
yes Master Bretval *smiles and blushes at His smile*
shimmer{GS} 21:03:20 pm CDT
grins softly thank you for leading Master Dak thank you for scribing flicka
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:04:39 pm CDT
thank you for running Forum Dak
hulya{GS} 21:05:03 pm CDT
Thank you for leading Master Dak, flicka thank you for scribing
Dak 21:05:10 pm CDT
very well, I will close the forum, *smiles*, thanks all for showing up and joining in the lively discussion! thanks flicka for scribing
karinda {GS} 21:05:32 pm CDT
thank You, Master Dak for leading
thanks flicka for scribing
fidget {GS} 21:05:33 pm CDT
thank you, Master Dak
and flicka
~pokes the girl playfully~
flicka-slave of Keeper 21:05:48 pm CDT
Thank You Master Dak, an interesting Forum.
Tanthio§ 21:06:03 pm CDT
*Nods to Dak on the lead and smiles to flicka for the scribing*
One crazy topic that scattered all about *chuckles*
OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:06:11 pm CDT
thanks for scribing flicka
lilith {GS} 21:06:15 pm CDT
thank you for leading Master Dak
thank you for scribing flicka
Sheadon~ Pirate 21:06:39 pm CDT
thanks for leading Dak
thank you for scribing flicka
Bretval, Merchant 21:07:02 pm CDT
thanks for leading Dak
and thanks for scribing, flicka
bria{Rm} Taste the rainbow! 21:08:41 pm CDT
thank You Master Dak...thank you flicka